I've just re-read the initial post, & i have to say it's complete gibberish, inspired gibberish, but gibberish nontheless.

Woo hooo.

I'm a little less esoteric in my writings, but I do get what he's saying nonetheless. In fact, most of it resonates well with what I have believed for many years now. The illusion of reality, modifying the physical world because you realize it isn't real, etc.

Caana - good on you for telling your truth. Your use of language is a bit cryptic to most, but yeah - solid concepts for the most part IMO.

UH....I'll take analog for a hundred Bob.

There ain't nothing silent about it! But Caana? The only thing worse than writing a novelette length reply in a thread is quoting it just to say a few words about it.

I do have a sense of humor left, however bashed about. Thats why one persons truth is always different from anothers, when it deals with your reality abstacts within the illusion.

And what can be more abstact then what is hid in front of you, until you develop the sense of and the means, to begin to see through the very abstacts which starts you on the path of your personal chain of knowledge.

No gibberish was involved, just another way of understanding, through all the dung you call life, in all it's aspects.

The only professional who knows you best, is yourself. Why have others interpit what you already know?

Thats just the beginning of a cycle that carries those precepts into what you call the future on many paths already tread, and done. Except for the editing of them, and that is almost complete.{distorted perception of all those paths themselves}{to further your concept of self and what really is}

It comes out cryptic, because thats how it was edited within those memorys of what never was, including this illusion{your world}

In what way could you ever be allowed to express yourselves here. The anaolog system is all that is easily distorted. You perception.

It's called extended dialog, needed when you go outside the box.
And everyone always has interesting difference's on the various personal understandings of what i say, and what they say.

I feel like I should be smoking a big joint or something. Surreal. Sorry Caana - kind of lost me there. I can only hang on to the bumper for so long.

And there is ultimate answer, for the whole mess.

I can only hang on to the bumber for so long.

Simple, but it's the message. A part of it.

HUH You just loose me a bit more everytime you post Caana!
So what your now saying is that it is more than likely that most people cant understand, you, and if they do they dont last long before you loose them all together in these, messages you are posting?

I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you Caana. Although you do bring up some interesting points, your perception may be a tad off. Jesus beckons Peter to come across. Peter begins to walk on the water. However, earlier there was a mighty storm, so the winds pick up a bit, and Peter becomes afraid, losing his faith that Jesus won't let him drown, and begins to sink. Jesus pulls him up and says "Oh peter, you of so little faith" implying that the reason he sank is because he lost his faith in that God will keep him safe.

I just feel he is another character on here trying to make his own religion out of all sorts of,
other beliefs and possibly even some of coming from a few movies!

We all have our beliefs.

That we do! and Caana does have some of interesting points but alot of it i just dont understand.

Like me and scientology XD I know what you mean

Well i think that L. Ron Hubbard was a strange individual myself!
But that is a whole different subject.

Those 'Matrix' boys have got a lot to answer for.

Hate to break it to you but this 'illusion' concept predates the Matrix by a few thousand years lol. The brothers obviously were influenced by the Gnostics at some point in their life in my opinion. I was aware of this illusion concept before seeing the Matrix and thats why I really enjoyed the movies, I also enjoyed looking for all the little details that they included in the movies that had a Gnostic flavour to them.

And Caana you've lost me a couple times but I enjoy your posts, keep it up Ever tried any shamanic "techniques"(<- I'm talking about drugs entheogens lol)? I found it hard to deny that this reality is indeed an illusion after seeing it literally and physically open before my eyes to reveal a world I can hardly describe or envision now with my physical being.

So now it's a few people here and there that understand this supposed illusion!
You people amaze me how do you think like that to begin with you had to have a strange, childhood did your parents teach you this stuff! Was your mother on drugs when she was, pregnant? I'm not trying to be mean I'm only trying to figure out where you began to,
think this way and why!
There is no illusion PERIOD, what you see all around you is very real.

Tom

ROLF

Schitzophrenia is such a sad disease.

No big deal really, its nothing new.



No, I learned everything on my own, my parents only raised me with a passion for reading and learning. They raised me neither religious nor atheist, it just wasnt an issue in my house.



Nope, she didnt even know what pot smelled like for the longest time, she finally found out when I was 17 lol!



I think everyway, I try and hold as many opposing views simultaneously as possible, try and see things from every direction, put myself in others shoes, even pretend I am something that I am not for a while to double-check that I disagree with it. I look for meaning in everything, I experiment with perception and try to experience things personally before forming an opinion but even then I leave everything open to change. You never know what may happen to change your mind or what new scientific discoveries there are providing new information to reformulate that opinion.



Ok since you used caps on the word 'period' I guess you are right lol. Seriously though what reason does that serve? To tell someone that they MUST conform to your perception? And expect them to just because you used caps lol. Wow, have you even thought of that? Are you even aware how ridiculous it sounds?

I dont expect to change your mind, and frankly I dont care to. You can also be mean to me, make fun of me, laugh at me it really doesnt bother me. I'm a rock and warrior that has already grappled with Life and currently have it in a headlock and enjoy giving it noogies lol.

You can only know that which you have experienced, is my belief. So I cannot tell you something to believe in only say that you should experience the other side which you disagree with just to double-check. I can only say that since accepting and believing that this reality is an illusion, a tool, a maleable puddy, things have gone my way. I ask and I receive day after day, in fact last night my incredibly smart and hot girlfriend asked me over a joint what time would I go to if I had a time machine, I really thought about it and couldnt think of anytime but now, I said that really says something doesnt it, she must have agreed and liked my answer if you know what I mean lol

Believe what you will, I just hope you too are happy. Bottom line this concept is my way of grabbing life by the balls and dictating my terms.

Im saying there are layers of illusion, within the illusion. What you perceive as a shared reality with others{ the base illusion} and the layers of illusion built within them{ what you percieve as reality}

The different belief and faith systems become different tangents, or lines of probability{scenario's, other illusions}

The more horrable they are, the worse the spin off illusion of reality based on that tangent is.

That is why while you are in the base illusion, you must walk the narrow path. If you accept whatever interpitation of what reality is to you in the base illusion, either through direct experiance here in the base, or imagination from it{ religion, fantasy etc...}

The more horrable those probabilitys become.

I said there is no time and motion within your mind. Which means all those probabilitys happen all at once. In order to beat the base illusion of your perceived shared reality, you must defeat all aspects of all the probabilitys within the base illusion. All those things that keep you thinking it's real.

The more you enforce something within the base, either through peace and law, or war, the worse those other tangents become. After you become aware of this, the other layers of illusion from this one, you begin to notice the base illusion is just that.

Thats as about uncriptic as i can be. Can you follow the line.

I did'nt mean the false recorded moment, or any of a divine theme at all, that does'nt exist.

At the start of all this, i believe i said that i don't ask for belief. That i only wished to write it
I don't follow and i don't won't those who will follow, which is a point i've been saying within it all.

I have no beliefs, just a line of knowledge.

If they actually existed, then i would agree with you, as it is, you still have a point.

I've never needed any methods or drugs to see what i see, and the various real things within the base illusion, i have long since been through.

Here's a description of something that happened recently.
I had been in the part of this illusion that started the images and understanding, of the hostility i had been percieving from them. A loud and clear voice in my mind said; look to the west my young friend. I went to my westerly window and looked out toward the west.
The voice then said; that quite that far west.

I shook it off, after a period of being stationary. The thought to visit my mum came up and i went outside to go to her apt. I was standing outside the entrance and i hesitated and looked to the west. Down by a road another block down, were a bunch of young kids in reindeer and elf costumes finishing a parade.

While i was looking at them, the voice said; whats their message? i started to say the familiar christmas one were all lead into as kids, and the voice said; not the beliefs and faith, the message itself.

I said; peace and good will.

This came at a point When the images and the feelings i got from them, was a hostile one, from myself and what was and had been done to me in those image's. The various means within scenario's or illusions i once had passed through.

Thats but one of many at the various points that have been recorded of this scenario. That, and others, have led me to what i write hear. I have been through often enough to know that, all that is believed here, is horror, as well as not beeing real.

I can see the way it once went within this illusion, at the various points that have been changed, to correct the damage caused by the one's who are generating these illusions.
The enemy i hinted at, earlier in these postings.

There are a number of new anti-psychotic drugs for this.

I have already said i can see what has happened here before{for me}
I have never dreamed as you know it.
The doctors say i should have died 8 or 9 yrs ago from physical ailments.
At each point before these things, and during them happened. I could see echo memorys{flash's} of what has been and done before, and the realization that they have been, and are being edited.

That at each point of understanding that i have reached within this current awareness{ the illusion of me} i remember the circumstances of this point i have passed through many times. Of course, i mentioned their are different levels of illusion within the base going on all at once.

But whatever you say for yourself is for you, and that i know your reality for what it is.
It's all about the i.

whoa made a wrong turn there.......hello? whats with the tinfoil hat?

ohhhhh nevermind I was never here, just ask the jesuits about it sometimes.

Yes you did hint at an enemy earlier. I've been waiting for you to reveal it/them.

After haveing been through the battery of conformist filth you call physcology, at my own behest even. I can say i'm considered more sane then 80% of Americans.

I've never really considered the one's that can't seperate the different so called realitys and let them destroy their minds. Though i've been forced to play and feel that role, in any number of experiance's that i have endured.

The point is that i reconized them for what they where and are. I have no record of anysort here, i'm considered clean. None of that matters.

What matters is that very thing, is another point in my favor of explaination, of what is right in front of you.

What is the concept behind the drugs? to change the persons perceptive reality, to one that is thought of as what reality is supposed to be here{within the illusion}

They are considered voilent at times, becuase they see through all the bull, and know whats really being done to them.

So would you.

Its their behaviour that gets them labeled, along with what they say caused it. What they do is considered normal, when within the concepts of your percieved reality.

It would be like you killing someone for a belief and faith, and getting away with it.
Because its considered normal.

Another point, is always having to ask someone else to confirm something.
If you do that, you are trapped within the illusion still{just another aspect}

One of the horrorable one's. With them.

Re the enemy; from my experience and belief system when looking for the enemy my first suspect is myself. In regards to the illusion, I believe Caana has mentioned earlier that we ourselves reinforce this illusion, so in my mind it would be up to ourselves to break free of it. Of course others also reinforce the illusion so perhaps it would be those who are "asleep" to use the somewhat cliched term.

Or I am totally off lol, still trying to get a foothold in this system.

Yes I hear you. I really meant to ask who is the 'one' to whom this current illusion belongs?

They are the one's you will never see, they are the one's who will never feel, they are the author of all that is woe to me. which is a lot.

They are empty. They produce the illusions and the various systems of illusions, that make you believe in them, however they deem fit.

What you percieve as real is generated by them, all empty.

All paths and probability's, what some call past, present, and future. Empty.

They are parasitic in what they do, however they manage to make you perceive of them as. To name them, i would have to use the analogs here, analogs they themselves make you percieve.{further into the layers of illusion}

I will not, nor will i ever, aknowledge them or the illusional horrors they produce. All designed to destroy me, so that when they offer me a hand up, up into further illusion, i call them out for what they are, and have done. At some cost to myself of course.

SO they are in effect controlling you through the fear of you loosing something? What can they cause you to loose that you cannot loose in thier illusion?

Earlier i mentioned that i am, and will always be human. That is a major part of the real i.

Time after time they have mocked me for my humaness, and have destroyed and changed that perspective through their illusions, to get me to give it up. I will not.

They used them.

If the show that has the holodeck used it for torture, and shapeing individuals into what they want, was used through that torture, would'nt you both fear and hate?{Not watch the show}

And would'nt that fear and hate be used to drive you, along with the overwelming sense of no control, or sense of real identity, you.

They've made it a game. One i have attempted to destroy, only to further strengthen their hold. Or the current perception of what they want. I am literally someone you would meet, and not have an original thought in my mind.

The illusions i have been through have control reinforcers, to go the way they wish me to.

They can change my perception of self, but they can never destroy it, or my memorys{original} only shield them from me with illusion. I am well past this already, their just running me through for understanding and forgivness purposes{trying to hide and edit what the've done, all the emotions, feelings that go with it as well}

It's been sort of repetitive, because i'm stubborn, they want me to give in by myself, after generating the illusions and impressions i got from them, editing them each time.
Much like the religions and other organizations here in the general illusion.

They will not win, i will go home, unchanged.

You will go home to where?

And is everyone else in this current illusion 'human'?

Also can you recognize others while in this illusion who are like you and how do you recognize them?

Please dont consider my questioning condescending. I am intune with what you are sharing. Not necessarily understanding it all but definately obsorbing it for my own diagnosis. (Though, ofcourse, that is no reflection on you or your purpose). But I am aware of the ultimate truth - knowledge is power.

I'll answer from the bottom up on your reply.
I have been snared so many different directions, with that one myself. Knowledge is power, thats such a loaded phrase. And remember they control your perception through illusions. So you can guess.

Real knowledge depends on the thin life line to follow, in the form of your line of knowledge, which is still controlled by the empty one's. Depending on how much you may think you know{and they change that to} I have been through all the manifestations of that "knowledge is power" to many times to fall for it again.{they can change what you think to be your situation in an instant, along with your thought patterns, as well as direct control of the scenario construct that you are in the illusion, as well as the general illusion itself, in all aspects.

An example would be you being hurt somehow, and going to the hospital, and when you arrive and are examined, the injury is gone.{scenario shift} and one of the millions of clue's disguised with other explainations, or none at all. I only use courtesy myself to get on while i'm here. So don't worry, i won't break.

There are already secret groups, with their own perceptions of what i'm saying, all of those groups represent different levels of illusion within the illusion{all paths covered, however changed each time or not} The one's i reconize from time to time, are when the scenario is shifted to allow them to exist within the current illusion, however the groups own directions have been changed from prior scenario's. Why do you think i stay away from telling people what may happen? If it does happen, i'm dead meat from the religious deathsquads, however they present themselve's. The same with goverment or trying to save people i know will die. It's all pointless and empty.

To your last question, certainly not.

So then you cannot recognized others who are like you and you didn't answer me as to where your home is?

Please bear with me, I am really trying to understand your perspectives on reality, or this illusion, as I feel that your messages have valid meaning. Your perspective is generating many questions in my mind and I would like you to expound as much as possible. Especially, the scenario you described above about being sick and then suddenly being healed. It makes sense what your saying. Ignor the skeptics and lets reason together.

Yes, actually. The concept behind taking your medication is indeed to change the persons perceptive reality, to one that is thought of as what reality is supposed to be here. You understand and percieve that the 'reality' most of us are aware of is pure illusion.
It is quite possible and most probable is it not that YOUR perception of reality is more illusion than not? The purpose of staying on course with medication has to do with bringing about a balance of chemicals in the brain....chemicals that when not in balance, tend to skew our perception of our perception.

Chemicals, HA, are you listening to what this person is saying.

Man scientists only know how to view chemicals and how to maniuplate them for their own purposes. But they don't know where their energy comes from. They don't know why they do what they do and without exception. The chemicals they use to control the brain are all mysterious to them in actuallity. The only thing they can be sure of is the 'perceived' effect these 'chemicals' have. But what about tomorrow when 'they' change the illusion and scientists find out that their initial 'theories' are all flawed? Its happened before and its certain to happen again. Man we even thought the world was flat only a few hundred years ago and our existebnce has been here for thoudsands of years. We don't know nothin! Especially how chemicals 'really' work.

Are you really hearing wat Caana is talking about?

Yes...I'm hearing it loud and clear...and I repeat...medication can help...but you have to be willing to stay on the course of treatment. It isn't easy...but neither is being whacked mentally either.

There is no one else here like me. There are varients however. It's those varients that are the one's who control this place, They believe themselves to be real. And they do control what you percieve to be power.

Power is, as power does. Your perception of it.

Consider that this place is the illusion i know it to be. Also consider that in your mind, there really is no time or motion. But plenty of space. I've said before that i've been in other constructs throughout the illusions{skits} Consider further, that i've been within these constructs in what you perceive to be the same time. It's not really, but the effect i'm speaking of would give it that appearence.

There are things about the people where i live, that i should'nt know. Sometimes things are switched to random within the scenario, so i can no longer follow them, and cause problems within the current illusion, as i used to do. Trying to change things i once thought to be real. And what is called mans law, or law of the beasts{from true human perspective}, means absolutely nothing to me. As they are a varient of human that is so far from what that means, they actually think everything comes from outside themselves, from an alien parasite, or parasites that reguire some sort of payment or oath{belief and faith}{god, or gods, demon , or angel...etc}

Lets discuss a little more, before i try to explain something that has been fragmented within me{home} it's an issue that has been delibrately convulated, and a point i stand at once again.

So lets focus for a time on the things that happen within this illusion, that form some of the perspectives as to what clue's are{pointing out the illusion, overlaps from previous scenario's} One of the reasons i try not to study, or read alot, is because every time i do, my mind either stays blank, or it fills with odd bits of info on the incident, or subject i may be focusing on {memory flash's}{the changes made within the illusions}

I do better answering questions. Most of what i know, i find myself being distracted from by either unexpected company, a loud noise, or loud cracks when my thinking gets to be colored by my hate of the things doing this. Some of those physical manifestations i mentioned.

It can be unnerving when those happen, and they happen within the different patch's{overlaps} of scenario's past. Litterly from one moment to the next, or the major shift of the general illusion itself. Though the construct i'm expected to think of myself as, has been inhibited by the standards of the scenario society he live's in, it took many scenarios and their changes to do that.

My left eye has been damaged so that i can't focus properly, the physical brain{which has nothing to do with the mind} has been damaged as well, both physically and verbally, as all childrens minds here are.{disguised as the "right things" to do}{casual brutality of religion based, so called civilizations}

The amount of physical trauma is extensive{old wounds} 5yrs ago, i began to discover that it was done to both prove and increase my minds awareness. In this, as all the scenario's, i have been limited{heeled too}

Knowledge within the scenarios, to a great extent, means absolutely nothing. Except to those whose perceptions they are trying to rearrange. It is incidious, They are my enemy's, whatever olive brance they make up to offer. I am not empty as they are, as the scenario populous is. I am human.