This is theory based on experiance's.

The one called jesus in your mythology, he was a man who knew the truth, as i've been writing it. He knew not only that what you perceive to be reality, was'nt. He could also control the formation of the illusion you call existance.

I.E. the fish, the red sea etc... and the most revealing statement that is still in the bible{to my astonishment} what he said to the guy while he was standing on the water, it has been twisted by belief in a divine, it was'nt faith in a creator that was allowing him to stand on the water, or a divine creator giving him what the rest thought was power. It was merely the understanding that, what was around him, as well as the illusion incaseing himself, did not exist.{would you rule thyself, and overcome this illusion}

When the plastics who ruled saw this, they offered him everything he could have wanted. He knew none of that mattered, as it does not exist. Which was the message he was giving.
That message was not well recieved by the plastic's, so they murdered him, not having believed in his message, and the rest of the twisting and distortment you know.

Why, you may ask, did'nt he just protect himself. He did'nt, because you can't escape the illusion by reinforcing it. And as none of them existed, it would have been pointless. The then leaders of the time knew that truth, it is still the hebrews greatest secret. Along with the fact they already knew it themselve's. Yet they could'nt deny themselve's, and the various war machines today, are a result of them thinking they are real.

The message has been given through many others, the one at the begining of the apoc, RA,ca,na and various others through the age's. What you must understand is that all those message's were for himself, in whatever guise he found himself in{like a theif in the night}
And it just was'nt those so called history notable's, who have all been villified in one way or another, to keep what they had to say discredited. Or like jesus, clouded and twisted.

The answers that you seek, are all around you, in all the dirty place's, there are no clean place's here. In what is considered good or bad, villified or not. As they are always in front of you, and scattered like the wind through{what is percieved as} time. Which does not exist. Which means literaly, that one passage in an entire book is the only revelant passage. The same in what you perceive to be the envirement around you, clue's as to the unreality, the illusion. The patchwork.{those clue's abound here} but no one can see but him.

In what you call later time's, today for instance, those clue's are also buried within t.v. programs and all that you consider proffessions and knowledge, though by itself has no revelance. They are visual and literal and written, Found also in the envirement you believe to be real, all at the same time, within the same space. As his awareness is within that space, self. It also has nothing to do with bloodlines, from ancient sumeria or any others. Though he himself from the real world, are all caucausion, or white.

Many of the racial hatreds of today were from sumeria, whose people fled their destruction and founded the great northern tribes of what is called the nordic alliance. They never became great, as the ancestors of the one's who destroyed sumeria, know bits of what i write, and have kept them down, in one way or another, throughout what you call history. It is all a ruse, would thou sacrifice thyself, for thyself.

The letting go of the illusion that is percieved as life. And a major reason why selfishness has been taught. For any who think of thyselves, shall destroy all others. That one is literal and unchanged, as it is a mainstay to keeping the illusion alive. And why all religious society's try to enforce it, in one way or another. Though the common plastic, has forgotten why, as intended.

What they called demons, was his awareness surrounded by the plastics, manbeast, or 666.
Who, together with the itthingbeasts{known today as female} who were once one{male} just not your interpitations of it. They are the distortions of the myth called the creator{to further confuse him, and to cause discontent, and to further embroil him within the illusion.
As he was outraged at the very thought, and for a time fought against the incursions of the manbeasts and their religious virus infection.{the tales of evil}

I had mentioned in past writings that were'nt popular, that this is a downgrade, as humans are known today, each scenario epoch has implanted before it, a false history. Though tales of being within the mind of another being{and he's human, trust me, thats why the illusions still have hold, the range of emotions and what can sway him} i.e. sex and other interests. They are not tales, for all he has touched, shall know him. Whatever the level of distortion.

He was known in mythology as the great destroyer, the eater of souls{which by the way, is a fabrication of the illusion,Souls to further drive himself from himself, and to keep the plastics in line, by the plastics who know the truth} The division i spoke of earlier. As well as the creator, god, jehova and satan. He is in all aspects of what you believe, as this is his mind, though the illusions are not his.{distortions}

As i wrote in another topic head, The illusion is breaking down, and all prior scenario's are now but a patchwork, within your own scenario illusions. Why do you think so many storie's from so called credable witness's have no proof, though it is undeniable that they experianced what they say. Another reason why such things have been degenerated by the government, who after all, can't but help in finding some of those clue's themselve's, as the volume of information they recieve is vast{for here, within the illusion}

Though they are most likely percieving it the wrong way, as it's not meant for the plastics.
They are all messages to himself, who does not want to be villified, or honored, he just wants his mind back, so he can go home to reality, and himself and his people.

My loony alarm is melting

AAARRRGGGHH....the plastics are coming to get me!!!

As i said, there is only one thing in what you call here that is real, and he has been divided, those messages to himself? this is but one, to the rest of him. A good analog is being tortured and your mind being fragmented. He cares not what the illusion{you} may think. Only where he may find himself incased, in the illusion itself. Why do you think so, or are you an inseqencial parasite that puts everything and eveyone down.

Let me rephase that you are not inconsaquencial, becuase you don't exist, sorry for the parasite remark. It happens sometime.

I will take parasite for 200. I like being a parasite. I am always full.

You usually are. Hello

If WE, the others are but an illusion and do not exist ,Who are you talking to?

Myself of course, as it has always been in the emptyness of the illusions. But i see where your comeing from. My awareness is'nt spread through all, their just the scenary to make me think it's real. Before i begin to awaken, it was about 5yrs ago.

Read what i wrote within this catagory, its on page two of this catagory now. Part of the awakening process i go through everytime this scenario is run through.

The two other topics that complement this and broaden the understanding of it are now on page two. the are called "scenario's" a brief explaination, as well as the "strangest encounters" imposed awareness.
I also have a response in one of the alien one's that explains the scenario patchs i'm speaking of. It was an explaination and clue for the things to look for. Thanks

Ah, I see. Well as a random firing of your neuron's , I will leave you to it.

But I must ask , Isn't getting a DATE rather hard when you are your own best company?

What you are refering to is disgusting for me in this illusion, you are the beasts, 666.
That fireing is far from random, i will get out this time, and depending what has imprisoned me wants, it can be a quiet leaving or one you would percieve as great suffering. The true human in me wants it to be quiet, but as i have learned, it may not be.

The blunder i made for careing about the characters here before, backfired, and is the reason i'm still cycled through this illusion, for the last time as i said. It won't happen again.

Look, it's just what i've put together, after all, this is an illusion and not real. And as a human myself, i do care, and if i lose that, i don't know what will happen. I'm done responding. This always happens, please enjoy it as you or anyone else will. I am done and go to love the humans i care for here, as well as the human that i am.

None except what i wrote about love is real, the rest is illusion, out of all that i have lost, that remains. Thank you for your time everyone. good by.

Moved to a more appropriate forum,

we have a 'psychotic episode' forum?

There is no spoon

Why do I get a feeling like this thread is a rehash of the philosophies touted in the Matrix trilogy. Well, that's what I got the impression of, at least.

I think the plastics should be recycled.

Logic is this.
I think therefore I know that I exist.
Since one such as I exist it can only mean that that others like myself may also exist.
Since there are logically others that can exist, than that in which I and they would exist within is reality.
Reality is thus logically a shared state of existence and not an isolated reality of one.

I guess my English is up to par, as I barely could make out what the heck your trying to say. Plastics?

Get real.

Act your age.

Get with the program.

It's little language realted tidbits like these that reinforce the idea within me that whatever we're immersed in the here and now is pretty much like a computer program - sentient and non sentient programs be damned.

walk quickly and don't make eye contact.

on a serious note: exactly how did this Ulysses like revelation come to you?

LOL - what is so strange about it?

Are you truly "yourself" every moment of every day? I'm not. There are several times a day when I act or behave contrary to how I wished I would have, thereby proving that there exists a conflict between my physical self and mental will - therby implying in turn the possibility of the existence of a realm where no conflict exists. I think "Heaven" could be that place. In that realm, I could be myself - free of any environmental and social flaws that I became subjected to while existing in the Earth.

I could go on, but I doubt we'd come to an agreement. Too many semantics involved.

Simulacra and Simulacron, The Thirteenth Floor, The Matrix (btw - Sophia Stewart successfully sued the Wachowsky Brothers for plagiarizing ideas from her manuscript in order to make the movie), Greek philosopher's early teachings (hence Ulysses). None of this is new, and really, it's so painfully obvious that we exist in a realm that operates on the basis of a computer program.

If you're saying that the vast majority of people in the Earth are not little robots preprogrammed to follow the rules, I'd have to disagree. Sentient beings is not something that the Earth is overrun with - yet. Ask any acne ridden teenager in the world what they want to do with themselves and chances are they will still say that they either want to make lots of money or get married and have kids. Most people retain some variation of this driving force with them through their entire lives.

Feasting, Fornicating, and Fighting. These are still humanity's greatest social drives. There is hope, but for now, face it...

...we're hardwired.

He does come from a real world and people, i said i have written two other topics that complement this in the exterestrial catagory. And my description of the sea u.f.o interview. I have revealed one of the "patch's" or overlaps within the framework that makes up your perception of linier time, and within your own scientists theory's on multiuniverse's.

Obviously, your interpitation of it is your own. I can say i have been led to all of the bit's and piece's, that form my own line of knowledge. Which, as i said, is only pertainent to me.
My shareing it here, is a culmination of understanding tailored just for me. And being human, i just wanted to share it.

The trick is figureing out the cage{mind trap} which was what this, your reality is{scenario}. I am out of it already, and this is but a dying echo. The last one. Do you not know yourself, in all your percieved aspects? until you can accomplish that, the illusional fantasy you percieve yourself as living in, will cage you, until those who have caged you will reveal themselve's. They are both one and many, within my mind in which i reside.
Though far smaller then i.

They are so different from what is considered human, that they use the illusions to form a basis of communication. When they first came{real world}, they learned what being human was all about, at what you would consider great cost to the reciepient{the illusions} i wrote an analog in one of the other posts.

They are so different, that the illusions at first, were totally alien in nature{the cost, in emotion} the progression of that, i had at first tried to express in my former locked down topic {energy parasites and agenda's} i really was'nt kidding about the frame of mind refference{perception of linier time}, within each frame, was knowledge or the sense of where to go for it, that had'nt existed before. With no train of thought, or what you call imagination, in between{i did'nt have to think}{i have never dreamed} it unlocked various levels within my mind.{more info}

I had to go through all the things the various beliefs represent, the love's and the fears, and all the hate and predijuce's that are embodeid in what you would call the world situation{all the percieved good and bad, and their folly}The at first startleing fact that i am human, and that is body, mind and voice only.
There is no soul, none of that exist's, and was part of the serie's of designed traps, that i had to get through in order to unlock more clue's and knowledge, left by myself, in a series of former scenario's.

For all that he has touched, shall know him.

Your own basis of what you wrote, i have experianced, and is not the truth. Your preceptive reality is an illusion, when the illusions themselve's{which i reffered to as plastic} think that they form the reality around them, simply because they think they exist, does not make it real. A distinction i had to muddle through many time's[scenario's}

Have'nt you noticed the non-development of this place, even though it is already ready for it{ as it already has in what you call, past, present ,and future}. Make all the "real" world excuse's you want to, it will never develop, because it was designed to ultimately end. At this focol point, or node, all the scenario's end. What you call life will shut off. And no protests or religions or the various beliefs spawned here, will stop it.

Don't you throw out your garbage? Why do you think what i am saying can be construed as arrogence, what is the base here for that? it is the denial of self. Which is the basis of all what you call religion here. Those who gratify self within the illusion, are as trapped as those who deny it. Those who deny have other snare's.

All things both macro and micro within this illusion are set{filmed} if you are a part of it's scenary, you are plastic and don't exist. Does that help?

They are, until shutdown. Those experiance's i mentioned, that all aspects of, are in here.
Or talked about at least.

Been answered.

Thank you, and apt anology.

There is no here and now. And what is age anyway, a way to limit your perception of what is.

The point is to escape your meaning of program.

There is no reality, you are part of the scenary, the snare of illusion.

Hey - we agree.

What did i say about the messages being hidden, and villified or distorted. As well as being scattered throughout the illusion. Much of what you speak of is just a beginning, you just have to be able to see those messages, and if you can't see them, then you are part of the illusion.

Lets just say Ulysses and i hung out, and leave it there. We had fun.

I know, i answered before the next frame came to pass, and misunderstood it, as i had in a former scenario. Sorry

So are you saying we all need to be unplugged from this illusion that has for so long, cotrolled everything?

No, no. It's not real. there's nothing to unplug.
When the one it's all for has awakened, it will cease to be, as it never existed to begin with, except as a means of developing an understanding for himself, at the barest human level, that he is far from. To develop the understanding to forgive what has been done through the illusions, that were pieced together to form what you call a linier history of what you believe to be real.{ the other scenario's or dimensions}{overlaps}

It was set up so he could find the answers to understand what was done, and why. How can you find unconditional love for yourself here.{you need that for yourself to forgive others without conseqence} It's nearly impossable, with the whole scenario set up to make everyone think they can never achieve that, because the concept drive's from within yourself{i can do no wrong}

The whole scenario and it's various manifestation's that you consider real, if not in agreement with, from all levels of what the human perspective is here, deny's that.

As it was designed to do, and don't worry, it won't hurt, for you won't know.{thats what i meant by the futility of the plastic's, or scenary if you will}.

I remember your thread on parasites & their agenda does this also tie into that?

I feel bad for you, you seem so lost.

Yes, within this illusion, distortion of self.
5 yrs ago i started to have memory flash's. Full color with audio.
First consider that this "reality" is the last of whatever sort of reality, you could think of within this scenario ,and all it's lines{past, present and future, all of them} A final base of the fragments remaining of the illusions.

Many people have experiance's, and they really did happen. Those who describe dimensional events are close{overlaps} there are elements in this scenario world from all that used to be. Many of the horrors that come out in fantasy, and what some call imagination{have you read my other recent post's?}

All were illusions run at the same time, within the same space, no time or motion.
I have been seeing events from this line, as well as all the others. As this is the base and final scenario. Out of all those i described as seperate infinity loops, who themselves never existed{being illusion}

Only the barest fragments of those have been remembered by me, many that used to be there, are completely gone. I always used to wonder why i always ended up back here.{after i died, i used to go to other scenario's, to do what i'm supposed to do here, and thats to remember, and understand without the control or guidence of anything here.{or there, as they are just illusions}

If you want to here more, just ask. I just want it known i'm not asking for anthing but to write about it.

I was, until i saw past what is not really there, thanks for the concern, i'll make it.

I'm not lost. I know exactly where in the middle of nowhere I am.

Precisely, everytime i write the same stuff over again, i learn the same things in a different way. The same thing all at once.

Yeshua is a fiction. Not a unique fiction, but a fiction none the less. And as he's alive on the page today, he's put there by bits and pieces of all the other savior promises that came before. And the only reason he's raised from the dead, like all those other saviors that are now relegated to the dust of ancient ways, is because we believe in him.

God would not exist if we didn't hold faith it was there. Like the chicken/egg equation. What came first, god or it's believers!?

do yourself a favour & get professional help.

Ah, a plastic. They don't like me, i already know what their objective's are, and how the'll go about abtaining them. They are professional nothings, blathering about nothing. Those who tell others to get help, need help themselve's.

Let me ask you a simple question Caana!
How do you really expect people to respond on here when you start talking about,
illusions and people not really existing, plastics Etc.! I feel most people would think,
you are mentally ill.
Did you just all of a sudden have a revalation one day and all this hit you at once?
I'm just trying to understand how someone can actually feel that this is how things,
really are.

Tom

is this guy Loge's brother?

Gnosticism, Archons/Greys, The Controller Agenda

"They sought to overpower humanity in its psychological and perceptual functions... although they saw that human thinking was superior to theirs... For indeed their delight is bitter and their beauty is depraved. And their triumph is in deception (apaton), leading astray, for their own structure is without divinity."
Breathtaking, but what is that? Who said that? Of whom does it speak? Is it ancient? Is it contemporary? Is it correct? Is it relevant? What is it doing here in the pages of Open SETI?
Let's begin with the last part of the question.

Open SETI is in some ways the opposite of SETI. SETI is an extraordinarily "narrow-band" search arising from a most denatured strain of modern-day scientific/intellectual thought. Open SETI begins with being... open. And what does one see, when open?

Would you agree that one sees a magnificent planet inhabited by a humanity that is becoming demented, even by its own definition?

This humanity is fragmenting, at war with itself, and each faction looking desperately for salvation from its particular idea of deity.

No small number of humans hope for help from another quarter: contact with extraterrestrial beings. Surely the SETI community derives at least some of its support from this dream.68 It manifests strongly among many "UFO believers" as well.

It will turn out that this dream of salvation has everything to do with our opening passage.

The passage is tight with ideas:

Some group attempted to overpower humanity.
The field of attack was psychological and perceptual.
Human thinking was superior to theirs.
Something about their pleasure and beauty is off.
They succeed, but only through deception because...
...There is such a thing as "divinity."
...It is implied that we have it.
...They lack it.
These ideas form at least part of the "paradigm" for this page... which, as usual for this website, has little to do with that of conventional SETI with its focus on detection, astrobiology, habitable planets, etc.
Our opening quote is from The Apocryphon of John II, a Nag Hammadi text extensively discussed by the profoundly insightful author John Lash in his Metahistory.org web pages.69

What's so breathtaking and challenging about it is that deep mind recognizes its antiquity and its possible truth and relevance to present times.

As Lash explains, this passage reflects the view of the Gnostics:

Their interpretation of the "myth of contact" is a unique expose of alien intrusion with a strong warning message for humanity. It may well turn out that the Gnostic view of invervention is indispensable to our vision of ourselves as a species.
The word "divinity" is key in that passage and throughout Lash's pages. It is bound to be misunderstood, and the misunderstanding is itself a result of the intervention.

We are deviated from true human potential through delusional beliefs about Divinity.

For Lash and the Gnostics, the line of Divinity comes through our descent from the Earth - Gaia - and it is this connection that is the object of the intruders' attack. They cannot actually do anything about it - it simply exists - but they can deceive us into turning our backs on it in favor of their own contrivances... such as several of our major religions.
Readers may wish to review the page Soul Technology.

Lash is speaking of Pagan Gnostics (not the later Christian Gnostics) whom he describes as powerful shamans, asserting that what they saw with their clear vision is as important to our understanding and our situation today as it was in their time.72

Notice that Lash refers to intrusion, warning, intervention, and self-vision.

Conventional thinking dismisses the thought of "alien takeover", claiming that if there had been any danger of that, the invasion and takeover would have occurred a long time ago. Indeed. Please integrate that statement with our list of paradigm elements above.

Remember: field of attack is psychological and perceptual. Where then should we look for evidence of this invasion?

On this page we will discuss three dimensions of control:

Intrinsic control suffered by many or all of us as the beings that we are, either through genetics or through our earliest post-natal if not prenatal environment.

Extrinsic or societal control -- extrinsic to us as individuals but deeply embedded in our social structures, again possibly through "inner" means working on a few very powerful individuals.

Parasitic control mediated by something that has been implanted into us... either physically or nonphysically in the sense of "mental parasites" or something infecting "higher bodies" known well in non-western and western occult or esoteric traditions.
These dimensions -- given that they even exist, which is something that needs to be considered -- do not necessarily operate independently of one another. Thus extrinsic control systems may be set up to operate through intrinsic characteristic or embedded parasitic systems (parasites).

Intrinsic Control

This deals with what we are (genetically) and how we think. The subject of our intrinsic nature and how it reflects intervention(s) will occupy much of the remainder of this page.
To understand how intrinsic control or intervention has worked, we need to be able to examine ourselves.

By this I mean that we, in ourselves - either our psychology if you accept Lash's variety of intervention, or more conventionally our genetics - would embody the results of one or more "invasions". If there were several phases of invasion, then the results might be layered.

Do we see layering in our psychological makeup and/or our genetics? We most certainly do. I am suggesting a new way of looking at this.

Here is another quote:

MYTH: Groups of advanced beings came here and found the planet inhabited by proto-humans, which they then genetically upgraded to the modern human form. Suitably advanced souls (that's us) were brought in and allowed themselves to be attached to this new human evolution. At that point, the arts of civilization could be taught to these hybrid creations.
That suggestion of intrusion and intervention in human affairs has been advanced on several Open SETI pages. You will also find it expanded on one of the final pages of The End of Enchantment (see A Synthetic Myth), a companion website that is heartily recommended.
That page explores the relation of humanity with a mysterious group of controllers. In support of the concept of intervention, the Synthetic Myth page reflects information that has surfaced in many fields, mostly outside the standard paradigm to be sure. You will find it suggested in UFO contact reports, open-minded studies of the literature of ancient civilizations, forward-looking interpretations of human genetics and fossil remains, and occult/metaphysical lore.

The question immediately before us is whether these two statements - the opening Gnostic one and the local one from these pages - can be sufficiently reconciled as to create a single initial position to explore here... or not.

Some group attempted to overpower humanity and The field of attack was psychological and perceptual vs. Groups of advanced beings came here and found the planet inhabited by proto-humans, which they then genetically upgraded to the modern human form.

Gnostics: Attack was psychological and perceptual.
Synthetic Myth: "Attack" involved a "genetic upgrade."

Both: The encounter occurred here between pre-existing races.

This comparison highlights a key position in Lash's description of Gnosticism: Actual genetic manipulations do not occur; they are simulated through the use of virtual reality technology.

As far as Open SETI is concerned, that is an open question, and an incredibly important one.

Human thinking was superior to theirs. and Something about their pleasure and beauty is off. and We have "divinity"; they lack it; this is why they succeed only via deception. vs. Advanced souls (that's us) were brought in and allowed themselves to be attached to this new human evolution.

The two positions are completely parallel. Each implies an inherent superiority of human consciousness over the mysterious "they". The root of this superiority could be "divinity". Whatever it is, this needs exploration.

In Lash/Gnostics the deed was/is achieved via deception. In Synthetic Myth, human souls "allowed" it. No intrinsic contradiction there.

We have not yet seen whether or not the term "soul" is found in Lash/Gnostics.

The remaining loose end is the point about teaching the arts of civilization.

Parasitic Control
From the Wikipedia article about parasites:

"A parasite is an organism that lives in or on the living tissue of a host organism at the expense of it. The biological interaction between the host and the parasite is called parasitism. Parasitism is a type of symbiosis, by one definition, although another definition of symbiosis excludes parasitism, since it requires that the host benefit from the interaction as well as the parasite.
"Parasites are generally smaller than their hosts, absorbing nutrients from the host's body fluids, but this is far from a universal strategy."


In fact there are many strategies, relating to what the parasite requires from its host, and how the parasite is going to get it.
An important class of strategies incorporates a modification of the host's behavior in order to achieve a result beneficial to the parasite and not necessarily beneficial to the host -- it could be fatal to it.

Examples seen in nature include that of the parasitic wasp Hymenopimecis sp. that attaches itself to a spider host, inducing it to build a special web that will be used by the pupating wasp after it kills and eats the spider (Parasite's web of death).

The parasitic Nematomorph hairworm develops inside grasshoppers and crickets. When mature, they "brainwash" their hosts, causing them to plunge into water, enabling the worms to emerge and swim away to find mates. The grasshoppers or crickets are for their troubles left dead or dying (Parasites brainwash grasshoppers into death dive).

Many other examples of parasitism in nature could be provided.


"...there is a parasite that attacks a certain type of crab and eats up all nonessential soft tissue inside of it, but leaves the basics that allow locomotion---key muscles, the optic nerves, etc. It is then able to take over this partly hollowed out crab and use it in the manner of an Imperial Lieutenant in the Star Wars fantasy operating an Imperial Walker.
"Rabies is caused by a parasite, and it produces a particular sort of madness that will cause an infected mammal, even a human being, to want to bite or otherwise cause bloodshed with other mammals thereby opening a vector, an avenue of transmission, for the parasite."


That was from Jonathan Zap, whose complete article Mind Parasites, Energy Parasites and Vampires takes us over the edge to where we need to be if we hope to understand this particular dimension of human control.
The point here is that parasitism could be a form of interaction not only among lifeforms in nature, but between ourselves and other types of entities, whether we call them extraterrestrials or anything else. And this interaction is capable of modifying the desire and intention of humans, enforcing behavior that is quite alien to their previous nature, but is felt to be of their own volition.

Interesting, yes?

Alain Gossens, of the Karmapolis.be website that has become something of a strategic partner of Open SETI, sharing interviews and articles, surveys this field with an emphasis on Gnosticism and the works of Carlos Castaneda, in Possession and Predation -- Aliens, Flyers, Clones, and Reptilians: The Enigma of Extraterrestrial Parasites (or see the original French Version).

By including this reference to Gossens' article here, we are not implying a transitive endorsement of all the material he covers. His is a survey and it is a good and useful one.

But with Gossens' article, we have opened the issue of attempts to control human activity and destiny by and through parasitic entities.

With a recognition of this possibility, we can begin to look at large-scale human activities for signs of self-destructiveness that could play into the needs and intentions of some other, alien, group.

It would be easy to say that we do not need to look very far, but of course we do not wish to be making up excuses for our own behavior, or shrugging off responsibility for terrible events.

What would be an appropriate approach to this issue?

Perhaps a good beginning would be to look for our own, unassailable, and immutable essence. This takes inner work.

And thus we open the dynamic for this page's discussion. It is to explore the inner nature of humanity's encounters with something other, and to try to understand as a human, what this has caused humans to be, and what, if anything, it has caused us to do.

We also will reflect this dynamic against a recent cosmological theory presented in Open SETI Physics 101.

Does any of this have anything to do with what you are trying to tell us Caana?

Tom

The one's who do understand, whether fully or partially, are starting to talk. Thats all i want here. Those who don't understand, are part of the illness. Thats one of the points.

The realization that what you call "Really are's" are'nt real, is what the conversations are about.

In order to do that, you must get through all the plastics control systems, of what belief should constitute.{the general reality, that is illusion itself}

Those institutions of fixed thought, that you call civilizations here, keep you from going outside the system you think you are a part of. As i said before, at every level of so called development here.

Think what you will, it's supposedly a free world in America, as you yourself just disproved.

One of the reasons i've never really intracted here, is that all of what you just wrote, are different aspects of other scenario's i have already been through. Either here, or in other scenarioverses alltogether, in what you can describe as a different format.{even where what is called time, flows faster or slower} The alien one's where incomprehensable to me because i really am human, not just this type of human.

They are all themselves part of the fixed cycl of illusions that are run through.

Anyway, your own suggestions do touch on it.

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