Anyone think that some abductees are not returned because they die in experiments, of fear or some other mishap?
Anyone believe in abductions period? I do...the evidence I feel is overwhelming.... but also realize that there are many hoax-ers out there....
So, what about abductions? Real or fake? Why do they do it and what do they do?
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QUOTE(Rings of Saturn @ Nov 28 2006, 06:55 PM) [snapback]1442709[/snapback]
Anyone think that some abductees are not returned because they die in experiments, of fear or some other mishap?
Anyone believe in abductions period? I do...the evidence I feel is overwhelming.... but also realize that there are many hoax-ers out there....
So, what about abductions? Real or fake? Why do they do it and what do they do?
I'm sorry to say the evidence is far from "overwhelming". This abductee stuff is nothing more than a mental state which man has experienced since the earliest recorded history. In ancient and medieval times people experience these same kinds of sado-sexual dreams, but back then they attributed them to molestation by demons and succubi. In our enlightened age we now attriute these dreams to abductions by space aliens.
But an incredible number of people do vanish without a trace every year, I believe in the hundreds of thousands, and this is just from countries with good records. Who can say how many vanish in Third World countries without good record keeping.
There is no physical evidence however that any were abucted by aliens. In fact, just as nothing has really changed in centuries with people still dreaming they are sexually molested by demons, now called aliens, so too, the generally acknowledged ancient and medieval reason for people mysteriously disappearing in their thousands may be just as valid: they are being eaten by dragons, who hide by day in certain lakes where they sometimes have their pictures taken. Face it, there is far more evidence for dragons than there are for aliens. Though very elusive creatures, there are loads of dragon pictures, but I don't know of a single alien photo.
QUOTE(draconic chronicler @ Nov 29 2006, 01:07 AM) [snapback]1442725[/snapback]
I'm sorry to say the evidence is far from "overwhelming". This abductee stuff is nothing more than a mental state which man has experienced since the earliest recorded history. In ancient and medieval times people experience these same kinds of sado-sexual dreams, but back then they attributed them to molestation by demons and succubi. In our enlightened age we now attriute these dreams to abductions by space aliens.
But an incredible number of people do vanish without a trace every year, I believe in the hundreds of thousands, and this is just from countries with good records. Who can say how many vanish in Third World countries without good record keeping.
There is no physical evidence however that any were abucted by aliens. In fact, just as nothing has really changed in centuries with people still dreaming they are sexually molested by demons, now called aliens, so too, the generally acknowledged ancient and medieval reason for people mysteriously disappearing in their thousands may be just as valid: they are being eaten by dragons, who hide by day in certain lakes where they sometimes have their pictures taken. Face it, there is far more evidence for dragons than there are for aliens. Though very elusive creatures, there are loads of dragon pictures, but I don't know of a single alien photo.
Interesting ideas...
I think Satanists take some people....namely children. I think there is a good possibility they are sacrificed and/or consumed. Satanism is quite alive and well in this world and the power of evil is very underrated.
I think sexual slavery has a LOT to do with it. Its a disgusting and horrific reality in our world. I think these trafficers should be disemboweled for their crimes....PUBLICLY.
I do still however believe in abductions. Very credible people disappaering for days, returning with strange scars, wounds and nightmares out of the blue.
Dragons? I can believe it, but am skeptical. Maybe in some strange land but not here in the USA. Too many people lurking around....
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i don't know aliens taking people(possible, yes), but i'm sure there are plenty of john wayne gacys and ted bundys out there who are responsible for lot of the missing people. some may want to just be missing.
QUOTE(HammerHead @ Nov 29 2006, 02:08 AM) [snapback]1442774[/snapback]
i don't know aliens taking people(possible, yes), but i'm sure there are plenty of john wayne gacys and ted bundys out there who are responsible for lot of the missing people. some may want to just be missing.
Yeah, I think so. With some of the parents today, its no wonder....
Ever see the bumper sticker that reads: Not all that wander are lost...
I love that one...
QUOTE(Rings of Saturn @ Nov 28 2006, 09:15 PM) [snapback]1442787[/snapback]
Yeah, I think so. With some of the parents today, its no wonder....
Ever see the bumper sticker that reads: Not all that wander are lost...
I love that one...
haven't seen it, but i like it
i think it would be more likely that these are cases of unsolved murders by serial killers, thrill killers, rage killers, or just accidental killiers who have hidden their victims well, but other things could happen as well.
QUOTE(draconic chronicler @ Nov 28 2006, 06:07 PM) [snapback]1442725[/snapback]
I'm sorry to say the evidence is far from "overwhelming". This abductee stuff is nothing more than a mental state which man has experienced since the earliest recorded history.
I'm not sure where you get your impression of the abductee literature. Certainly not from reading much of it. Personally, I'd be overjoyed to attribute all abduction experiences to the kinds of dreams you describe (and I presume you mean hypnagogic and hypnopompic hallucinations), but if you take a look at the actual reports, you will see that it's impossible.
But there's something to what you say about yesterday's demons (incubi, succubi, and what have you) becoming today's space aliens. That is probably true. Both experiences probably refer to the same thing. Only the frame of reference is different.
What the reality is, I don't know, but it's not quite as simple as some really strange dreams. Again, I'd be delighted if it were, but no, what it is is something very hard to explain. (For the record, I don't buy that it's all about space aliens getting our DNA, either!)
I am sure the answer is a mix of what has been said. It most certainly is not only one of these options. F.ex modern alien abuction experiences being succubi attacks is a quite reasonable theory. And I do believe it is true, but only to a certain amount of the people who have been affected. Other people may have had real alien abduction experiences, some have been kidnapped by other people for various reasons (satanic, sex, ransoms, etc), some just simply dissapear on their own (runs away, gets lost, dies in remote areas etc) and some are missing because of their work (secret agents etc), some have actually been messed with by friends or governments, been hypnotised to believe its real, and so on, and probably other reasons too.
With that said, I do believe the succubi experience also is a reality, and not just a "dream". I can say I know that its real, not that I just believe it
There are entities who seem to feed on sexual energies, and other types of energies as well, that dwell in a dimension close to us, but still at a different level out of the reach of or common senses. But if you learn astral projection you'll start to be able to travel to this realm and explore its reality. Also, there are those that believe aliens are interdimensional beings, and not just coming from other planets. I guess this is possible too, so that means we are dealing with not only one type of alien abductions in such cases, but several.
With that said, I do believe the succubi experience also is a reality, and not just a "dream". I can say I know that its real, not that I just believe it
There are entities who seem to feed on sexual energies, and other types of energies as well, that dwell in a dimension close to us, but still at a different level out of the reach of or common senses. But if you learn astral projection you'll start to be able to travel to this realm and explore its reality. Also, there are those that believe aliens are interdimensional beings, and not just coming from other planets. I guess this is possible too, so that means we are dealing with not only one type of alien abductions in such cases, but several.
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I'm sorry to say the evidence is far from "overwhelming". This abductee stuff is nothing more than a mental state which man has experienced since the earliest recorded history. In ancient and medieval times people experience these same kinds of sado-sexual dreams, but back then they attributed them to molestation by demons and succubi. In our enlightened age we now attriute these dreams to abductions by space aliens.
But an incredible number of people do vanish without a trace every year, I believe in the hundreds of thousands, and this is just from countries with good records. Who can say how many vanish in Third World countries without good record keeping.
There is no physical evidence however that any were abucted by aliens. In fact, just as nothing has really changed in centuries with people still dreaming they are sexually molested by demons, now called aliens, so too, the generally acknowledged ancient and medieval reason for people mysteriously disappearing in their thousands may be just as valid: they are being eaten by dragons, who hide by day in certain lakes where they sometimes have their pictures taken. Face it, there is far more evidence for dragons than there are for aliens. Though very elusive creatures, there are loads of dragon pictures, but I don't know of a single alien photo.
But an incredible number of people do vanish without a trace every year, I believe in the hundreds of thousands, and this is just from countries with good records. Who can say how many vanish in Third World countries without good record keeping.
There is no physical evidence however that any were abucted by aliens. In fact, just as nothing has really changed in centuries with people still dreaming they are sexually molested by demons, now called aliens, so too, the generally acknowledged ancient and medieval reason for people mysteriously disappearing in their thousands may be just as valid: they are being eaten by dragons, who hide by day in certain lakes where they sometimes have their pictures taken. Face it, there is far more evidence for dragons than there are for aliens. Though very elusive creatures, there are loads of dragon pictures, but I don't know of a single alien photo.
some cases are still unexplained, even today. Im not saying its aliens but until proven otherwise, i guess its an open case. There are thousands of so called abduction cases, and it is hard to know whats what, but some cases pop up every so often that are not easily explained, that still does not mean aliens by the way, but still means something quite strange in some cases.
I'm kinda new to this jargon...
So with out statrting a new thread, can you explain what the Succubi experience is?
With that said, I do believe the succubi experience also is a reality, and not just a "dream". I can say I know that its real, not that I just believe it
So with out statrting a new thread, can you explain what the Succubi experience is?
With that said, I do believe the succubi experience also is a reality, and not just a "dream". I can say I know that its real, not that I just believe it
QUOTE(Rings of Saturn @ Nov 28 2006, 06:55 PM) [snapback]1442709[/snapback]
Anyone think that some abductees are not returned because they die in experiments, of fear or some other mishap?
Anyone believe in abductions period? I do...the evidence I feel is overwhelming.... but also realize that there are many hoax-ers out there....
So, what about abductions? Real or fake? Why do they do it and what do they do?
Don't believe that they are stolen, but I believe the ones who live to tell the tale is suffering from called---- SLEEP PARALYSIS--- and it happens to abductees, YEP! Its where they are sleeping and wake up to have ALIENS around their bed, and the person begins to levitate to the space ship, to have experiments done on them.... it's a pretty darn wild sleep disorder, if I do say so myself.. As far as missing folks, it's a large range of possibilities, and none of which are UFO related.
QUOTE(Sunny98 @ Nov 28 2006, 11:05 PM) [snapback]1443014[/snapback]
Don't believe that they are stolen, but I believe the ones who live to tell the tale is suffering from called---- SLEEP PARALYSIS--- and it happens to abductees, YEP! Its where they are sleeping and wake up to have ALIENS around their bed, and the person begins to levitate to the space ship, to have experiments done on them.... it's a pretty darn wild sleep disorder, if I do say so myself.
I'm not sure where you get your impression of the abductee literature. Certainly not from reading much of it. Personally, I'd be overjoyed to attribute all abduction experiences to the kinds of
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Don't believe that they are stolen, but I believe the ones who live to tell the tale is suffering from called---- SLEEP PARALYSIS--- and it happens to abductees, YEP! Its where they are sleeping and wake up to have ALIENS around their bed, and the person begins to levitate to the space ship, to have experiments done on them.... it's a pretty darn wild sleep disorder, if I do say so myself.. As far as missing folks, it's a large range of possibilities, and none of which are UFO related.
SLEEP PARALYSIS is not the answer on some interesting cases. If you look into the subject on abduction you will see this.
QUOTE(Sunny98 @ Nov 29 2006, 06:05 AM) [snapback]1443014[/snapback]
Don't believe that they are stolen, but I believe the ones who live to tell the tale is suffering from called---- SLEEP PARALYSIS--- and it happens to abductees, YEP! Its where they are sleeping and wake up to have ALIENS around their bed, and the person begins to levitate to the space ship, to have experiments done on them.... it's a pretty darn wild sleep disorder, if I do say so myself.. As far as missing folks, it's a large range of possibilities, and none of which are UFO related.
I have interviewed quite a few abduction cases, and I am convinced that it has nothing to do with sleep paralysis. On some of the cases that I investigated, nieghbors of the abductee reported strange lights in the sky the night of the abduction. The abductee's did not discuss this information with their nieghbor's, I actually went door to door to ask the closest residents if they had seen anything strange. Also, every person that I have interviewed has had scoop marks left on them. Most of them do not know that they are being abducted, they just think that they are developing disassociative personality disorders because they have hours and sometime's days of missing time. It is usually a close family member that suspects something else is going on. For those of you in the speculation field, none of this will really mean anything. However, you might try tracking down a few abductee's and getting their stories first hand. Most of the abductee's that I have interviewed live in isolated farming communities and do not even believe in ET's. Hearing the story from the abductee first hand makes it a lot harder to ascribe the incident to some kind of mass hallucinatory disorder that humans have randomly suffered from throughout the ages. When you find an authentic abductee, you can also find physical evidence to back their story up.
QUOTE(draconic chronicler @ Nov 29 2006, 01:07 AM) [snapback]1442725[/snapback]
I'm sorry to say the evidence is far from "overwhelming". This abductee stuff is nothing more than a mental state which man has experienced since the earliest recorded history. In ancient and medieval times people experience these same kinds of sado-sexual dreams, but back then they attributed them to molestation by demons and succubi. In our enlightened age we now attriute these dreams to abductions by space aliens.
But an incredible number of people do vanish without a trace every year, I believe in the hundreds of thousands, and this is just from countries with good records. Who can say how many vanish in Third World countries without good record keeping.
There is no physical evidence however that any were abucted by aliens. In fact, just as nothing has really changed in centuries with people still dreaming they are sexually molested by demons, now called aliens, so too, the generally acknowledged ancient and medieval reason for people mysteriously disappearing in their thousands may be just as valid: they are being eaten by dragons, who hide by day in certain lakes where they sometimes have their pictures taken. Face it, there is far more evidence for dragons than there are for aliens. Though very elusive creatures, there are loads of dragon pictures, but I don't know of a single alien photo.
spot on.
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I'm sorry to say the evidence is far from "overwhelming". This abductee stuff is nothing more than a mental state which man has experienced since the earliest recorded history. In ancient and medieval times people experience these same kinds of sado-sexual dreams, but back then they attributed them to molestation by demons and succubi. In our enlightened age we now attriute these dreams to abductions by space aliens.
But an incredible number of people do vanish without a trace every year, I believe in the hundreds of thousands, and this is just from countries with good records. Who can say how many vanish in Third World countries without good record keeping.
There is no physical evidence however that any were abucted by aliens. In fact, just as nothing has really changed in centuries with people still dreaming they are sexually molested by demons, now called aliens, so too, the generally acknowledged ancient and medieval reason for people mysteriously disappearing in their thousands may be just as valid: they are being eaten by dragons, who hide by day in certain lakes where they sometimes have their pictures taken. Face it, there is far more evidence for dragons than there are for aliens. Though very elusive creatures, there are loads of dragon pictures, but I don't know of a single alien photo.
But an incredible number of people do vanish without a trace every year, I believe in the hundreds of thousands, and this is just from countries with good records. Who can say how many vanish in Third World countries without good record keeping.
There is no physical evidence however that any were abucted by aliens. In fact, just as nothing has really changed in centuries with people still dreaming they are sexually molested by demons, now called aliens, so too, the generally acknowledged ancient and medieval reason for people mysteriously disappearing in their thousands may be just as valid: they are being eaten by dragons, who hide by day in certain lakes where they sometimes have their pictures taken. Face it, there is far more evidence for dragons than there are for aliens. Though very elusive creatures, there are loads of dragon pictures, but I don't know of a single alien photo.
This does not hold with some unexplained cases. Again, look into some cases and you will see this. Dont just think everyone is abducted in there bed, because even though alot of people say they are in bed at the time, you should look at the more interesting cases, just like betty and barney hill.
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I always liked this story
Interesting story
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