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Blood Angel
QUOTE(Norman @ Oct 2 2004, 03:50 PM)
what? Blood Angel wants some too!
Alright.... so who think Jesus WAS an alien?
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No, i'm just trying to install some order on the forum, to make it a pleasant place.
Stellar
Man, I DIDNT flame anyone.
Xenojjin
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Man, I DIDNT flame anyone.

topics like this inevitably lead to flames due to the beliefs of the members . Just by arguing about it you are insulting each others beliefs to a certain extent . BA is just stoping a train wreck before it inevitably happens .

As for what I think of this topic , I posted last page the harsh truth - that its something you really cant know for sure . Evidence of Jesus existing is somewhat there , but it isnt enough to work with . Heck , he could have been a human-mongoose hybrid for all we know . Arguing about it is pointless , especially since nobody is ever going to change their beliefs anyways .
Stellar
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topics like this inevitably lead to flames due to the beliefs of the members . Just by arguing about it you are insulting each others beliefs to a certain extent . BA is just stoping a train wreck before it inevitably happens .


A discussion like this envolves people with different beliefs. Are you saying the whole subject should be closed, because theres people with different beliefs on this subject?
Xenojjin
no . I actually dont think it should be closed , its just that it seems to be going around in circles and no one is going to change their beliefs anyways .
the master theologian
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A discussion like this envolves people with different beliefs.

true, but its not worth fighting over. As Xenojjin said, we don't know for sure.
All this is just for fun. I think a topic like this needs a radical statment, or
a discussion of possibilities. You know, what if......
So, how about we begin to speculate. To be fair, lets imagine what would
it be like if there was no aliens or Jesus. Then what if Jesus was an alien?
What if aliens are just out there to mess with us and to observe our gullibility!?
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lets examine the possibilities instead of arguing about it.
David_Cubero
QUOTE(Stellar @ Oct 1 2004, 01:32 PM)
QUOTE(Norman @ Oct 1 2004, 08:20 PM)

this quote is an example of all the people on this good earth who want
to keep the truth from being discovered!


No, I think ist an example of the people who dont want something lacking in evidence to be accepted as *truth*

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God is more real than you think.


God is less real than you think.
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Stellar, THIS is my LAST POST on THIS PARTICULAR Thread! I AM NOT willing to debate this topic any further...

I promised you more details about the comments made on Friday during our debate, and here they are...

THE ABOVE is what I found offensive on Friday, 01 Oct. (I've been unable to get back to this Forum before now, due to my working two jobs...)

It seems that you were saying that believers in G-d are lacking "something" Mentally or Educationally! You MAY HAVE BEEN hinting that Believers in G-d are dreamers OR Delusional. As a Jewish man who is a believer Yahweh, (G-d,) The Father and Creator of The Universe, I take great offense at anyone who makes such statements, OR even HINTS towards that end. It seems that you were taking "a shot" at people who believe in A Higher Power, at least those of us who believe in one that ISN'T corporal and DOESN'T come to Earth from ANOTHER PLANET!!!

I happen to have THREE University and College Degrees. I have one B.S. Degree in Broadcast Journalism with a Minor in Meteorology, two A.S. Degrees, one in Paramedic and another on Paralegalism. I have much additional educational training and experience ranging from my Private Airplane Pilot's License, (with "Ratings" as an Instrument Pilot and in Multi-Engine, High Performance Aircraft and Turbo-Prop Planes,) to my USAF AIT, Scuba Diving Certifications and all manner Training Certificates from The Police Dept. Furthermore, I am 42 years old and I have an outstanding name and reputation. I am NOT weak-minded, Nor Mentally OR Emotionally Ill and most people consider me OVERLY-EDUCATED. (At times, I tend to agree with them!!!) However, the fact that I choose to believe in The G-d of MY Fathers, doesn't make ME or ANYONE ELSE LESS wise, intellectual, educated NOR sane!!!!!!

You have the right to form your own opinions, and I have the right to disagree with you about your opinions and vise-versa! But you DON'T have the right to belittle me for what I believe!!! Statements such as the one above makes me feel that THAT'S exactly what you were doing, eventhough the comment wasn't directed at me.

We Jewish People DON'T try to convert people, like The Christians do! (So don't think that I'm trying to The truth is, unless you're BORN Jewish, we don't want ya',,,unless we marry. laugh.gif However, I'll quite literally fight for my right to HAVE my Faith and Beliefs WITHOUT persecution!!!


QUOTE(Stellar @ October 1, 2004, 01:32pm)
  Or, listen to the jewish, Jesus *wasnt* the son of god.

I must applaud you for AT LEAST recognizing MY people, MY Religion and MY Culture...

Okay, so I have addressed this topic for the last time. I am not even going to open this thread again, so there you have it, THIS is what offended me in your Friday Post, and why...
the master theologian
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We Jewish People DON'T try to convert people, like The Christians do!

You're distinguishing Jews from christians? huh.gif
I hope it won't surprise you that there are a lot of Jewish christians also.
Besides, christians are not meant to follow their own doctrine;
they follow the same God the hebrews follow.
dunderhead
Am I in the right thread here huh.gif
There's a whole lotta Preaching going on here!
There's too many wars going on in this world through religion, we don't need another one on this Forum, please gentlemen restrain yourselve's.. thumbsup.gif
Stellar
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Stellar, THIS is my LAST POST on THIS PARTICULAR Thread! I AM NOT willing to debate this topic any further...


Good, cuz I dont see why there should be a debate in the first place!

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THE ABOVE is what I found offensive on Friday, 01 Oct. (I've been unable to get back to this Forum before now, due to my working two jobs...)


Oh, well, I'm sorry you took it that way, but too bad. I'm entitled to my own opinion and belief. I didnt find what Norman said offensive, and because Norman said it in absolutes, I did too. If you find what I said offensive, you should also note that Norman stated his belief the exact same way. Thats part of the reason I posted my reply the way I did.

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It seems that you were saying that believers in G-d are lacking "something" Mentally or Educationally! You MAY HAVE BEEN hinting that Believers in G-d are dreamers OR Delusional. As a Jewish man who is a believer Yahweh, (G-d,) The Father and Creator of The Universe, I take great offense at anyone who makes such statements, OR even HINTS towards that end. It seems that you were taking "a shot" at people who believe in A Higher Power, at least those of us who believe in one that ISN'T corporal and DOESN'T come to Earth from ANOTHER PLANET!!!


I really couldnt care less how you interpreted it. Like I said, I'll talk in absolutes when others talk in absolutes, and I didnt start this. Like I said above, the only reason I replied using absolutes is because Norman used absolutes. If you think mine was an insult, its only fair to complain about Normans post because he's the one that started it, not me. I, however, am not as sensitive and dont take offense to someone talking in absolutes. I suggest that you dont either.

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I happen to have THREE University and College Degrees. I have one B.S. Degree in Broadcast Journalism with a Minor in Meteorology, two A.S. Degrees, one in Paramedic and another on Paralegalism. I have much additional educational training and experience ranging from my Private Airplane Pilot's License, (with "Ratings" as an Instrument Pilot and in Multi-Engine, High Performance Aircraft and Turbo-Prop Planes,) to my USAF AIT, Scuba Diving Certifications and all manner Training Certificates from The Police Dept. Furthermore, I am 42 years old and I have an outstanding name and reputation. I am NOT weak-minded, Nor Mentally OR Emotionally Ill and most people consider me OVERLY-EDUCATED. (At times, I tend to agree with them!!!) However, the fact that I choose to believe in The G-d of MY Fathers, doesn't make ME or ANYONE ELSE LESS wise, intellectual, educated NOR sane!!!!!!


Wow, good for you. I couldnt care less how much degree's you have, or how educated you are, one things certain though, if you felt insulted by my belief that God doesnt exist... you've better learn to accept the fact that people dont believe in God. Its nothing to get bent out of shape about. Hell, Im not yelling at you because you claim I insulted you. Im not screaming at Norman because he used absolutes, even though I'd prefer if he didnt.

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You have the right to form your own opinions, and I have the right to disagree with you about your opinions and vise-versa! But you DON'T have the right to belittle me for what I believe!!! Statements such as the one above makes me feel that THAT'S exactly what you were doing, eventhough the comment wasn't directed at me.


Oh, well, last I checked, we live in a society where free speech is accepted. If you dont like hearing people say they dont believe in God, too bad. I have not insulted nobody. Infact, it'd be more correct to assume you insulted yourself, because insults are the first thing that came to your mind after reading my *reply* to Norman in which I *purposely* talked in absolutes to *prove a point*.

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We Jewish People DON'T try to convert people, like The Christians do! (So don't think that I'm trying to  The truth is, unless you're BORN Jewish, we don't want ya',,,unless we marry. laugh.gif However, I'll quite literally fight for my right to HAVE my Faith and Beliefs WITHOUT persecution!!!


Who's persecuting who?

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Okay, so I have addressed this topic for the last time. I am not even going to open this thread again, so there you have it, THIS is what offended me in your Friday Post, and why...[/b]
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Yep, and you know what? Too bad. It wasnt meant to offend, and if you take offense to this, its not my problems. I did not break any rules, and I, truely, did *not* offend anyone.
the master theologian
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Am I in the right thread here 
There's a whole lotta Preaching going on here!
There's too many wars going on in this world through religion, we don't need another one on this Forum, please gentlemen restrain yourselve's..

preaching does no harm; when you take it personally it could, but it should't.
BTW: which religion causes wars? which one follows and directs children
to carry arms and slay the Jews?
dunderhead
QUOTE(Norman @ Oct 4 2004, 09:32 PM)
preaching does no harm; when you take it personally it could, but it should't.
BTW: which religion causes wars? which one follows and directs children
to carry arms and slay the Jews?
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whistling2.gif Norman,.....Cool off! As far back as the Crusades(Holy Wars!!!) there has been numerous conflicts over Religion!
Now with your last words in your post i think you wanted to say the Islam Faith, am I correct? Well, what happened in Wacko(Texas)Norman? was'nt there a slaughter of men,woman and children? And all in your backyard Norman!... whistling2.gif All religion are based on Cult worship,aren't they? Jesus was an Alien. He was trying to alienate himself from people the likes of you!!!
the master theologian
download this picture if u want a holy war!

Edit: That picture is in extremely poor taste, so it has been removed. Blood Angel
Blood Angel
This thread is only serving to inflame tensions between certain members, thus i believe it is time for it to go to bed.
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