But Faher God was tolding about Jesus "My son".

P.S. Don't you think that this discussion is going to nowhere? This kind of thing is a thing of belief...

Yeh you're probably right, I was looking for people who had opinions on Jesus being an alien I think it's the best explanation for his existence that's been given so far!

I find it hard to believe in this tish tosh God business!

Personally, I believe just about anything is possible. The question is, is it probable? It's true that people back in those times had less knowledge about aliens and could mistake a ufo for a star. And it could be possible for an alien to disguise himself in human form and be mistaken for a god (in this case Jesus). I am not a religious man, so in my opinion I think that him being an alien is a better explaination, nomatter how improbable it is.

Also, I heard somewhere that the whole 'Jesus walking on water' thing was actually a miss transilation. I heard that it was actually supposed to be Jesus walking beside the water. I also watched a show that had these "Jesus Hunters" on it. It showed a clip of them almost proving the existance of Jesus on camera.

his soul was from another planet

ok so just now i thought. in the bible, does it not say that after jesus let everyone know he had risen from the dead, that he ascended to heaven?


could this be that jesus was an alien and that it was the other aliens bringing him up to their ship?

it could also explain how jesus lived a sinless life. an alien would not be tempted by the things that man is.

it would also explain how he "rose from the dead". an alien would most likely have different physical limits than man.

he would have to be disguised though

any suggestions/theories?

This theorie is very interesting. It would explain such things that is if he really existed and did lead the life he did.

I was going to write a witty and wise reply but thought better of it after much thought and consideration. Interesting thought but............

It's interesting alright ... but I just can't really see myself accepting it ...

As I see it, Jesus was born man and died man ... but in essence he was a lot more than that ... the same can be said of all the great Teachers though i suppose ...

dude! Jesus is an ALIEN, and you don't know that?
Well, I'm not surpriesd.... not many christians here anyway.

No, Jesus was not an alien because He was born on this earth from a human woman, Mary. He's the Son of God, not an alien.

Logically speaking, jesus would be a alien hybrid. "God" created the earth, and therefore did not originate on this planet, this makes him extra terrestrial in a logical sense.

Uhm, this is one touchy subject not to mess with...

this quote is an example of all the people on this good earth who want
to keep the truth from being discovered!
God is more real than you think. Jesus was't a Nephilim or
an alien.. BTW: I was just joking before.
But I have to say that Jesus was't the product of a man and a woman.
Its in the Bible. read it for yourself. He was a product of God,
and a virgin. Mary was taken up (beamed up) and she was
given the "God Seed". Jesus was a supernatural being and still is
with a distinct physical presence. JesusPhreak, I'm happy for you,
but I doubt you understand the caracteristics of the true God.
Jesus was a God-Hybrid. A link between an invisible person to the
mesomorphic mankind. A spiritual liason.

No, I think ist an example of the people who dont want something lacking in evidence to be accepted as *truth*



God is less real than you think.



Read the Quran, I dont think it sais that he is the *son of god*

Or, listen to the jewish, Jesus *wasnt* the son of god.



Beamed up

You can interpret anything to mean anything, cant you Norman?



I doubt it.



I doubt you understand them too.



Again, I dont believe it, cuz theres no evidence.

Okay, I'm Jewish so I'll admit that I don't know everything there is to know about Jesus,,,BUT,,,"They" tell me that Jesus was a Jew of The Davidic Lineage, and I'm a Jew of Levitic Lineage.

Now I'll tell you The Truth Of The Matter,,,IF you promise not to tell anyone!!!!

Here's "THE BIG SECRET!!!"

Shhhhhhh!!!

ALL of US Jews are Aliens!!!

SO NOW YOU KNOW!!!

Again! The Truth IS Out There!!!

(Oh, cut me some slack! I'm just kidding!!!)


The REAL TRUTH, from MY point of view, IS that I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT BELIEVE that ANY PART of The Scrpitures, or ANY Biblical Character within ANY Testiment of The Bible are Space Aliens!

I believe that G-d created The Universe, THEN He created The Earth, and EVENTUALLY He created PEOPLE ON EARTH, and OF THE EARTH...

If Jesus WAS The Messiah, (as The Christian New Testiment says,) then He was sent from HEAVEN, NOT from The Planet "Xytor" to Earth in a "Flying Saucer!!!"

G-d, The Universal Creator and source of ALL of The Powers of The Universe endowed certain individuals with gifts of portions of His' Power. But these Biblical Heros, like Moses and Issiah were ALL Earthlings!!! (That is to say that they WERE NOT "Space Monsters" that traveled across The Universe to rescue "The Primative Little Earthlings" from Themselves!)

That's as absurd a concept as the idea that all Jewish People are "Space Aliens!!!"

THERE ARE GREATER THINGS IN THE UNIVERSE THAN ANY "CREATED" BIOLOGICAL ENTITY!!!

It's G-d, who is The Creator of ALL Biological Entities!!!

So there you have it!

The Perspective of a Religious Jewish Man...

,,,AND YET, YOU THINK THERE'S EVIDENCE OF UFO'S???

Give Me A Break!!! What a dope YOU are!!!

Look, I've lived 42 Years, (so far,) and I've seen MANY INSTANCES of REAL EVIDENCE of The Existance of G-d!

But I've NEVER seen a UFO,,,and I SERIOUSLY DOUBT that I EVER WILL!!!

People like YOU REALLY hack me off!!!

I'll defend The Existance of The G-d of MY Fathers-Abraham, Isaac and Jacob until my dying day!!!

Umm... Im not hacking you off... you're hacking yourself off, since you're putting words in my mouth. There is hard evidence of UFOs. Seriuosly... there is hard evidence of UFOs. If you see something in the sky, and dont know what it is... ITS A UFO. Why? Because its an *Unidentified Flying Object*. I never said theres hard evidence of any of the UFOs being alien in origin though.

David, please do not resort to name calling, it isn't going to help the situation. Thank You.

God is in ALL of us, we are the aliens 9 (but I don't look like that )
And David_ Cubero maybe the shadow people got here on a UFO, but you just didn't see it Sorry had to do that

WHATEVER!!!!!

Believe as you like!!!

I know what I know!!!!
You think whatever you want to think!!!

But, I've NEVER seen evidence of UFO's and I'm a Private Airplane Pilot, A former USAF Air Traffic Controler, A Ameteur Astronomer and a Police Officer.

I've NEVER seen a UFO NOR EVIDENCE of a UFO!! You show me PROOF POSITIVE, And I'll give YOU that!!

BUT YOU ARE WRONG TO "DOWN OTHERS" who have Faith and Trust In Our G-d!!! YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT G-D DOESN'T EXIST!!!!

You've never seen something in the air that you couldn't identify?
Even a BIRD is a UFO if you can't identify it. It's unidentifiable, it's flying, and it's an object.

Fluff!!!

TO ME, saying "You Are A Dope" IS NOT "name-calling!"

It's an Insult!

TOTALLY DIFFERENT!!!

I reserve MY RIGHT to insult those who insult me!!!!

No one should be insulting anyone. Period.

It gets threads locked and does not serve any good purpose.

Actually, I have NEVER seen ANYTHING in The Sky, NOR on Radar that I could not ULTIMATELY identify. Certainly, I've seen things that threw me for a few moments, but I have ALWAYS been able to identify everything I've seen "Up There."

Thanks for asking that question Burnside,,,that's a good point to to bring out in this discussion.

P.S. I believe whole-heartedly in Biological Life in Space! I am just unconvinced that life can travel interstellarly, nor that those beings would necessarily want to come to Planet Earth, even IF they could break The Laws Of Time AND Physics.

Maybe NO ONE SHOULD BE insulting anyone,,,but Stellar's remarks WERE insulting TO ME!!!

Having said that, this ends my Posts here FOR NOW!!! I have to go to work!!!

I have twelve hours of Patrol ahead of me!!!

There's People "OUT THERE" On The Streets Committing Crimes, and THAT insults me too!!!

You havent? Have you seen a video of something flying in the sky, and you werent sure exactly what it was? THAT is a UFO.

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I've NEVER seen a UFO NOR EVIDENCE of a UFO!! You show me PROOF POSITIVE, And I'll give YOU that!!

I saw a light in the sky once when I was driving to Montreal. It was a bright, shiney light. I wasnt sure what it was at first. At that point, it was a UFO to me, (an unidentified flying object) because I didnt know what it was. Then later, the words "Landing lights" came to mind as I passed by an airport, and I knew what the light was. At that point, the UFO became an IFO (Identified Flying Object). As you see, UFOs do exist... because they are, by definition, flying objects which have yet to be identified. Whether they're *alien in origine* is another story, and I do agree that theres no evidence for that conclusion.

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I tried avoiding a religious argument but still getting my point through, and I'll try to stay away from more talk about the existance of god, but, how did I "down others?" And Im sorry but I dont believe in anything unless theres evidence and proof of it. Theres none of god. Its not my job to prove he doesnt exist.



Thats what I was trying to say, but D_C didnt seem to understand that. Even after I tried clarifying myself, he still thinks I'm talking about *alien* UFOs, which Im not.



When did I say anything to that effect?



*sigh* Thats what I was trying to say. As long as something is not identified yet, it is an unidentified flying object. It could be a cloud, a plane, a fly, a bird, a satellite, a flare, whatever... but as long as its not identified, its a UFO. UFO doesnt mean "an object alien in origine".

actually jesus being an alien hybrid makes sense. Mary is abducted, implanted with an embryo, thus the virgin birth. the "aliens" tell her what they are doing, and appear as angels, well the description of them was probably fantasised over the years. the aliens also tell joseph in a dream ( abduction) . then the child is born the star of david could have been the ship looking out for this baby. maybe the aliens were still perfecting this procedure back then, and didnt take the baby back as they usually do in hybrid stories. maybe they did it on purpose to help human kind. why do we think of god and heaven as in the sky? becuase thats where we came from. which could account for jesus having supernatural powers, healing, etc. then perhaps the aliens needed jesus back so they either planned out the death, or just took him back, the rest of the story was human made up for dramatic affect.

actually the story of ezekial(sp)- deals with abduction, Ezy and his group spot a bright star in the sky, a firey chariot (the only vehicle at the time, so thats all they could describe it as) then Ezy and the rest woke up in the middle of the desert several days later.

but who knows really, could you imagine if aliens came down and talked to the world and told us everything, and that jesus wasnt real,or atleast wasnt from god. imagine the caos i gues the know that.

but god could be the aliens who have helped the human race, and we may just be a long running experiment of an advanced species. who knows.

My remarks were insulting to you? Which one? My saying "There most definitly is no god" as a reply to Normans "There most definitly is a God"? If you're insulted by what I said, then I should be insulted by what Norman said. I only talked in absolutes because Norman talked in absolutes too. Oh and then theres Norman saying that we want to "keep the truth hidden"...

I have to be going to work, so I don't have the time to address everything that you have quoted and noted here...


However, you DIDN'T say "You're A Dope!" I DID!!!

In your Initial Post, YOU made commits about people who believe in G-d that I take exception to!!! I'll spell it out for you at a later time,,,but YOU insulted ME in that INITIAL POST, Because I am a Believer in G-d!

I certainly UNDERSTAND the difference between Object that Fly that CAN NOT be Identified and Space Ships! I'm NOT Stupid!!!

I have ONLY seen Object that MOMENTARILY blew my mind! I was ONCE flying after dark in my Cessna 411 Twin Engine, when I spotted what LOOKED LIKE another Airplane in my Flight Path. I took avassive action to avoid a collision. But as it turns out, it was a Star that I was "trying to avoid!" Any pilot will tell you that your perception after dark can be greatly compromised. THIS is a case of MOMENTARY PAUSE!!! THAT'S ALL I've EVER experienced! But I've ALWAYS Identified satisfactorly, EVERYTHING that I've EVER seen in The Sky!!!

I'll delve into this more later...I have to go to work now!!!

Wow, what a flip flop eh. I'm suprised you don't support Kerry.

Dope.

Ok, first of all, I wasnt even adressing my post at you. Second of all, how come you say I insulted you, but dont consider that, using your logic, he insulted me first?

Ill try to make this as evident as possible!




Accusing people of wanting to keep the truth (about Jesus and God) from being discovered. I dont take things personally, so I didnt get all bent out of shape because of it, but I could have, since I could taken it as an insult...



Since you werent specific about where I called you a dope, Im assuming it was when I replied to this statement by "God is not as real as you think." If you took that as an insult, then you should also acknowledge that it was not an attack, but a counter attack. I, however, dont take any as attacks. To me its just me making my point.

The rest of Normans post is irrelevant for now (I think!)

Now, lets move on to my exact reply to *Normans* post. Im only gonna quote the things that I think you're refering to.



Is that what you're refering to when you say I insulted you? It wasnt ment to be an insult, and I try to not talk in absolutes, but when someone else talks in absolutes (Like when Norman did), I talk in absolutes to get my point across too. I really think you're taking this the wrong way and are over sensitive...


Now, I'll move on to your latest reply.



Then where did I insult you???



Yes, please take the time to spell it out, because right now I'm at a loss as to what exactly you took so personally! Either way, my hole post was a reply to Normans post. If you find what I said insulting, you should also see that it was meant to counter what Norman said, and that Norman was the initial one to insult people, using your logic.



I didnt imply you were... but you kept implying that I believe UFOs are alien in origine, which there's no evidence of... and I never said I believe UFOs are alien in origine, or that theres any evidence of it. To the contrary, I said there isnt any evidence of it... I also went to the trouble of defining UFO, as you used the term UFO as meaning alien craft. I took it that way because, as Im sure you know, UFOs by definition do exist. The definition of UFO, however, has nothing to do with aliens and alien craft.



Identifying something doesnt consist of saying a bunch of possibilities of what it could be. Lets say I see a light moving in the sky. It could be a plane, a satellite, a shooting star, whatever. Until I do identify it positively, it is a UFO, because its flying and its unidentified. So, in essence (and by definition), UFOs do exist. Not everyone can identify objects as well as others, and until an unidentified object they saw is positively identified, it is a UFO..

Off Topic:

Stellar, hrmm, strangely i'm unable to get a message through to you. It says 'the following error occured: recipetent does not have privaledges to use the messenger service'.

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sheesh you guys are worse then 2 year olds grow up and i thought i was bad sheesh

Fantastic contribution blazer, what an asset to the forum you are.

we dont have to fight no more people need to learn how to get along

Not possible. Human beings evolved, yes evolved, with basic instincts which include the desire for conflict. Which is why we have wars, for one.

When this is coupled with differances in opinions, arguments are going to happen.

no, and he wan't the son of god either

Most are not even sure if he existed or not , so the answer is yes - he could possibly be an alien . He could have been just another guy . Or he could have been a collection of philosophy ( aka: he never existed ) .



Is it against whatever denomination you are to say god ? Why say g-d ?

*says GOD* god god god GAAAAWWWWWWD . gaud gad guad gawd god allah .

Note : Claiming to believe in Jesus' death and ressurection - which you have not seen , but believe - and then claiming that aliens dont exist doesnt make much sense .

you guys need to stop fighting; you could really hurt each other's feelings.
Stellar, you are just 1 person. It takes a lot of courage to say that there are
no UFOs, or God. You are a man of pride. The paranormal is't something that
you must know. Its just something interesting that fascinates a lot of people.
some of your posts are a lame way of dismissing an interesting possibility.
Sometimes I think you're here just to take the FUN out of UM!!!
There is also a freedom to speak your mind; which BTW I like.
We all have the right to say what we think, but of course, its a silent
agreement that what you think may not be true at all. It is irrelevant
to the facts. There is an absolute truth. And what I think
is that the difference between our beliefs are great. Or you might simply be
pursuing the popularity in being a high ranked skeptic who loves to
argue with the believers for the sake of argument. I'm not blaming you.
But its not nice to make insults at each other.
To say, "I don't think thats true" is alright. But as everyone here
knows, I love the unexplained to be explained, so I need to hear
your (1 man) opinion about why you think (believe) you're right.
I'm not saying that you're not right, but Stellar, you have to stop
crossing the line where you say "I know all, and you're just wrong"
because none of us know all. We're not that smart. We're trying to
find answers, but we can't if you keep downing everyone's opinion.
Some people might be on to something here at UM!
And I admire the folks here who have the courage to say what they
believe. Even if its against my beliefs. You can't bet your life on
the unexplained...... you can't really be sure.... unless you're God.
So, lets be nice to each other. ok? Everyone knows where I stand right?
UFOs & GOD go togather - what I think.

if Jesus would be an alien/human Hydrid that would simply mean that in 2000 yrs of research the aliens wouldn't have done anything new, same "abuction" same "hybrid" project.

not so evolved intellect.

but that was special! Jesus was God, and the angels are't god(s)!

Ack! I didnt insult anyone!



Yes, I know, thats why, like I said, I try to stay *away* from talking in absolutes. You however, you were talking in absolutes, and crossed the line and basically implied "I know all, and you're just wrong" and since you did that, I said the same thing to prove a point. You dont know all. I didnt start talking in absolutes here, you did. I replied to you in absolutes to make a point.



Again, where am I downing everyone's opinion?

do you always have to have the last word?

In cases like this? Yes. Is there something wrong with that?

Alright, Stellar. How about this:

Assuming the following were true:

God exists,
Aliens exists,
UFOs exists,
God and His angels ride UFO-like vehicles

Then Jesus would be a sort of "alien" or God hybrid.

Good, if people dont talk in absolutes, I wont. Its possible that if godexists, he and his angels ride space ships, but that is not the only possibility, and it also raises the question: "What does God need with a space ship?"

why would the aliens do something that could hamper our beliefs that they exist, (and i'm stereotyping here, sort of), because a lot of people who believe in god don't want to believe that aliens can exist. so how could that help us? so when or if they even exist and come to our planet, they can destroy everything we have set up because of it???





and david, chill with the different fonts, capitals, and underlines. it takes credibility away from your posts. along with the preaching. back it up with facts, not names and accusations.

God exists...This is a personal belief and does not require me to present any proof to anyone: Least of all to cynics masquerading as 'sceptics'. That's an absolute which I make no apology for.

Vimjams

I'm just gonna say this once, Cubero AND Stellar take the arguementitive, flammable, and off topic material to a Private message (of which can be accessed from your forum control panel). This forum is for friendly discussion, not for battles of intelligence.

Thank you

what? Blood Angel wants some too!
Alright.... so who think Jesus WAS an alien?