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landscapecontractor
Maybe its been asked before, I'd like to know what people think about Stanton Friedman?
Granted he sells books (I would too), he's completely involved in the UFO subject and a BELIEVER by everyones standards I'd say. However he does look at each individual case objectively in my opinion and he's a pretty intelligent guy by everyones account with credentials and education to prove it. He states there's absolutely a huge coverup of roswell at the very least and even more. He is one of these guys willing to spend 100's of hours rifling through documents and speaking to people/witnesses in person and he is absolutely convinced that UFO's are real and NOT of this earth (maybe a parallel earth huh, who knows). Trying to find a reason to discount the thousands of hours and decades of work this guy has spent on the UFO subject? Anyone?
Also, not including the Disclosure project, is there anyone more accepted in the UFO community? Stanton seems to be the most legit and I havent heard a lot of bad about him from either angle. And RANDY the skeptic doesnt count lol
Aranel
I really don't know.
rapid7

I don’t respect too many ufologists but I respect Stanton Friedman. He has my vote- I like his style. thumbsup.gif
Bobzilla
From what I have seen and heard of him, he seems to be at least sane. He is definitely passionate about the subject as well.
makaya325
yea even though i havent been convinced by the evidence yet, i like this attitude towards ufos. but if ufos were really alien craft, wouldnt over 90 percent of sightings be real, not 10 percent thats probably ambiogus at best
skyeagle409
I respect Stanton Friedman but there are others such as Kevin Randle that I respect as well.
morrison1976
Stanton Friedman iS one of the most reliable, intelligent ufologists out there. He has a really interesting way of putting things, and i like that. He is very very credible in my book, and in many peoples. Nick pope too, is very good.

There are quite a few decent ufologists out there.
Check out this list.

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/fame1.html
morrison1976
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contactismade
Stanton is a nuclear phycisist, he has an IQ way up there, he's legit and not a zealot. Above anyone else in the area of studying the phenominon he has the best rep. More than eyewitness testimony or radar returns, its someone like this even taking the matter seriously that says something.
badeskov
QUOTE(contactismade @ Dec 1 2006, 08:23 AM) [snapback]1446127[/snapback]

Stanton is a nuclear phycisist, he has an IQ way up there, he's legit and not a zealot. Above anyone else in the area of studying the phenominon he has the best rep. More than eyewitness testimony or radar returns, its someone like this even taking the matter seriously that says something.


Stanton Friedman is indeed a very clever and thorough guy, and I agree that he probably has the best reputation out there. He is also a very passionate person, which makes him very interesting to listen to. Unfortunately, in my opinion his passion also makes his mouth run a little faster that his mind at times. I was watching another UFO program on the History channel yesterday and Mr. Friedman unfortunately made a blunder that I normally ascribe to devoted believers. While I wasn't prepared to take notes, I do believe I have captured the essence of what he said if not the exact wording:

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Out of 12,000 observed UFOs, only 700 can be labeled as unexplained. Only?! That is like saying that we are looking for a cure for cancer and out of 12,000 cures, only 700 works. We only need one!


While this analogy sounds good and convincing on the surface, it is also completely wrong when putting the critical thinking hat on. He is comparing something that is unexplained with something that is scientifically proven (at least in his thought experiment). What he should have said was:

"Out of 12,000 observed UFOs, only 700 can be labeled as unexplained. Only?! That is like saying that we are looking for a cure for cancer and out of 12,000 cures, only 700 we don't know whether works or not. We only need one, but we need to thoroughly investigate the 700 before we find the one; that is, if we ever will."

This can obviously be worded in many ways, but the above is a lot closer to being the correct analogy. While I don't think Mr. Friedman is deliberately deceptive, it does show that one needs to take everything with a grain of salt - and that obviously goes for arguments and statements from both sides.

Secondly, I also think Mr. Friedman is lacking good scientific partners for sparring. There simply aren't and haven't been many credible scientists latching onto this subject, simply because the data hasn't been there to support the conclusions put forth.

Just my two cents.

Best,
Badeskov
contactismade
The thing is its going to be hard to find a sparring partner of equal for Mr. Friedman, because most acredited scientists won't put their cahonies on the block even simply voicing a positive or negative opinion. mellow.gif
badeskov
QUOTE(contactismade @ Dec 1 2006, 08:53 AM) [snapback]1446180[/snapback]

The thing is its going to be hard to find a sparring partner of equal for Mr. Friedman, because most acredited scientists won't put their cahonies on the block even simply voicing a positive or negative opinion. mellow.gif


It is hard indeed, but to be honest, most scientists would happily do so if there was data to support the theories. The problem is that the data is simply lacking. And scientists do not express their beliefs, they express what the data shows - which is currently nil.

Best,
Badeskov
GoddessWhispers
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Maybe its been asked before, I'd like to know what people think about Stanton Friedman?
I see him as like unto Ross Perot, in the democratic electoral process. He's the distraction to look away from the real hands behind the curtain. That have had a hand in him since the beginning.
landscapecontractor
Cool.. kind of the responses I expected with the exception of the lack of skeptic's response to a fantastic witness/investigator... I also believe Stanton is one of the premier and most legitimate people supporting the UFO phenomenon. The reason I ask is because I place a lot of stock in what he has to say.. Not that I would completely turn my view around if he was found to be wrong but, it might sway me or take the wind out of my sails just a bit. I think Stanton has exposed so much though that it would take a bit more than discrediting Stanton and there's a LOT to discredit, its not like someone could just knock down ONE of his theories and call him a crackpot! There's a cumalitive huge amount of information to soak up, I wish more people on both ends would have a closer listen to him.
I'll have to check out Kevin Randle too, thanks for posting that name skyeagle.. the search goes on rolleyes.gif
landscapecontractor
QUOTE(makaya325 @ Nov 30 2006, 06:21 PM) [snapback]1445363[/snapback]

yea even though i havent been convinced by the evidence yet, i like this attitude towards ufos. but if ufos were really alien craft, wouldnt over 90 percent of sightings be real, not 10 percent thats probably ambiogus at best

Wish I knew hmm.gif Not even sure myself if their alien/extraterrestrial/unmanned probes (still alien but unmanned or un-aliened I guess lol), etc... Man, I'd sure like to know, thats why my interest in the subject. Will it change my life if I find out? Not even sure about that, but it will definately crack open the box people have been thinking inside of yes.gif
badeskov
QUOTE(landscapecontractor @ Dec 1 2006, 10:22 AM) [snapback]1446298[/snapback]

Cool.. kind of the responses I expected with the exception of the lack of skeptic's response to a fantastic witness/investigator...


uhm, so I am not considered a skeptic? What is this world coming to? wink2.gif

Best,
Badeskov
Sam Willey
Stanton Friedman has got to be one of the most dedicated UFO Researchers out there. He has been looking into and invesigating this subject for many years and has been involved with many famous UFO and Abduction cases including the Betty and Barney Hill case. I very much respect all the research that Mr. Friedman has contributed to this subject.
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