Hello everyone!

Could this be the big one everyone missed in Arizona? I called the airports, the Air Force Bases and 2 news channels wondering if anyone else reported these lights over the greater Phoenix Metro area. Nothing reported...Here's the story link.

http://www.cnufos.com/pages/newsandstories/hovercity06.htm

UPDATE WITH EXPLANATION OF WHY THE CLIP IS ONLY 30 SECONDS OF THE TOTAL 2MIN 30SEC SIGHTING

NEW CLIP - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leqTthCIMww

Let me know what you think

email Rich -Edit: Email address removed- lottie.

Okay, its a UFO. So why are you calling it a hovering city? 0_o

Maybe because it resembled that?

--) EDITED: With appology....
Ok, as stated, I appologize - even with what I had - the dim background lights simply were not seen - I did use a different piece of softare and saw what was being filmed. The street light really and honestly distracted from the background. Again my apology.

I have seen video where people did try to pass off a street light - thus my initial skeptic.

Evidence:
Screen Capture of Video Normal Settings:
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You can see the Light >POLL< with no real issues... BUT:

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Contrast changed to show the POLL even more.

Jj -

Sorry, but no. Below the street light is a huge craft in the distance. Brighten the movie up a bit and look real hard-like.

As Donald Trump would say, "IT'S HUGE!!!."

I can't really tell, because the camera is shaking so much, but it looks like it could be a building on a hill behind the light. If not, why did you only film it for 30 seconds?

I cant see the light poll. There is something not right about it, the footage is to short, the object does not move. I believe its a fake

What's that supposed to mean "I got caught on this one?"

Tomorrow I will show you the light post from the same location and the object is gone.

I love it when people who weren't there can make such a silly statement. They have not investigated the sighting or been there live in person to make such a statement.

I guess you don't know this about me but I don't lie or do I fake anything nor do I make such claims without investigating it first. It took me a month to finally post this sighting because it was analyzed by 3 other videographers/skywathcers/ufologists/scientists.

I got caught? Yeah right!

Surly the person would have moved closer to the object while it was hanging there?

In that case you can ignore half of my previous post. But still, why only 30 seconds?

How can you analyze something thats in the dark. There is a number of ways this could have been done. I am a believer, but i see something here that makes me go wow. The ufo seemed pretty close, so why would the persom just stand there? and why is it 30 seconds long?

Sorry, but i dont buy it

ok, my humble appology - all I saw was the street light and the poll - it was that dark. I did change the contrast much as I could and then saw what looked like shadow lights in the b/g.

But not enough to say anything other than - UFO - by the very meaning of the word.

Now the question is:

Why didn't anyone else see int Phoenix AZ?? Something as you claim this is, would not of gone un-noticed. In a city that large would of seen it too - would just not of been missed??

What is missing is: Time of Night - Date - Specific Location in Az.

Again I am sorry - I did totally miss the dim lights in the background.

Jj -

I know, it's wierd. It seems like he filmed it for 30 seconds and then just shut off the camera and stared at it before leaving.

Makes me think it's fake.

Yeah i think so, just does not make sense

tHAT'S OK, IT'S MY FAULT FOR NOT CLARIFYING WHY ONLY 30 SECONDS OF A 2MIN 30SEC CLIP

HERE'S THE LONGER VERSION http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leqTthCIMww

IS NO-ONE READING THE DESCRIPTION OF THE SIGHTING OR ARE YOU ALL JUST WATCHING THE VIDEO. HERE'S AN UPDATED VIDEO WITH EXPLANATION OF WHY ONLY 30 SECONDS. WHEN I INITIALLY MADE THIS CLIP I THOUGHT I WOULD TAKE OUT ALL OF MY SWEARING AND TRIPPING OVER MY DOG SWEARING SOME MORE AND THEN GETTING BACK TO THE OBJECT ONLY TO HAVE IT BE GONE AND SWEARING SOME MORE. I AM NOT HOAXING OR LYING. I AM THE MOST HONEST WHEN IT COMES TO UFO FOOTAGE AND WILL ADMIT IF I AM WRONG OR HAVE BEEN PROVEN WRONG. I AM NOT PERFECT BUT THIS SIGHTING IS REAL.

NEW CLIPO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leqTthCIMww

YOU NEED TO READ THE LAST PARAGRAPH OF THE DESCRIPTION INSTEAD OF JUST WATCHING THE VIDEO. I EXPLAIN WHY THINGS HAPPENED THE WAY THEY DID.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leqTthCIMww

WATCH THE NEW VIDEO

well, if you are honest, then you are in for a frustrating time because the video just does not have the wow factor because it could have been faked in a number of ways, and people will question you about this.

I happen to live in a small rural river valley. I have neighbors on a hillside about 2 miles away that are highter than I am; near the top. On a dark night when the neighbors have their lights on the house looks a lot like the "city" floating there against the blackened background of the hillside.

That was the first thing I thought of when I saw the clip; it isn't moving at all, and there is nothing to differentiate it from a stationary item on a hillside.

I thought that too, but if he is telling the truth then i guess he would know about these houses on a hill.

It's a car.



You can see one of the head lights at the front and the car has it's inside light on. The car is on something like a bridge or hill. But it is a car.

It does look like a car. But this all depends on whats in the backround. BEcause its in the dark, there is no way of knowing

One would think so, and I am not accusing anyone of telling a lie. There have been several times when I have the telescope out that I would see something that on first glance looked different that what it was after some work. Coming down the road along the winding river at night creates the same kind of effect with the houses on the top of the hill; I have been driving down that same road for years, but every once in a while I get caught by a new perspective that makes things look different.

Have you ever seen the optical illusions that are two different images, but most people can only see one until the other is pointed out? The old woman or young woman line drawing comes to mind. I think that even simple common things can be seen out of context and take on a different perspective. I've been to phoenix several times and I know that there are hillsides around that fit the bill.

I'd have to see where this person films from during the daylight to really know for sure, but again I had the feeling that the image he was seeing was something more explainable than a UFO, although I have and open mind.

cnufos4u: My advice to you is that you go out during the day to the same spot where you saw the ufo and film it or take pictures of the area. Then put them on here so that we can take a look at them. It would be very helpful if you did that.

its somethng attached to the street light... if the street light was no where near thn id say ok.....but too near the lamp post

We need to know how the OP arrived at his estimates of size and distance. That is absolutely crucial.

If it's a car (or something attached to the street lamp), then it's relatively close by, and you'd be able to tell that by parallax as you move around.

BTW, if the object tracks precisely with the camera shake, then it's an excellent bet the object was not composited in. Even if the OP had the technical ability, which few people do, it is going to a lot of trouble for a video without much "wow."

cant really tell anything.. as usual, no comment as far as saying I believe it or not... Would definately like to stay tuned to see if anyone else from the area reported this object. If the video is real someone else had to see that thing. Thanks for posting it

I hope this helps a little.

Perspective on this one doesnt allow me to believe this is a car this close. For the car outlined as you have it, it would have to be very very close to the streetlamp. If it was this close the headlights would be much larger and the glare from the headlights would be much easier to make out. I think this thing is further back since, for that car to be that large compared to the streetlamp it would have to be within 50 or 100 feet of the streetlamp and... How could the car be that close and still be on a hill? I guess it could be a sort of driveway which ascends rapidly just behind the light but.. I think the DAYTIME video should lay that to rest. Either way it is a good catch and the outline does seem to fit.. thanks for taking the time

That's my take exactly: possible but not likely for the reasons stated.

While we wait for the day time footage - how about the address of where this was taken and we can atleast look at Google Map to see where you were...?

Jj -

i think its a spider web...

perhaps if it didnt have a lightpole there it wuld be ...less ironic

I don't think it's a car but I don't think it's a ufo either. It looks like a house, especially since it's dim and doesn't move.

I would have liked to see the angle change AWAY from the light pole. (Like walk around to a different angle or two... ) Anyone could have used that to hang an object from...

And even if you went back to "that same pole" to photograph it the next day, there is nothing else to contrast it against to prove it's the same pole.


Sorry but I'm not convinced.

The street lamp is the killer of this video.

I canot help but wonder why you didn't move away from the street lamp?? That is the question that I keep asking.

You could see in your FOV - so you knew it was there - and yet you limited your movement, almost it seems to keep the street light in the picture??

See, the video - both versions show you could have even walked so the street lights where behind you - so one has to ask why didn't you?? It would of been a very logical step. "I need to get this dang street light out of the video - for it will/did wash out the "UFO"" -

Jj -

I agree with the sceptics for a change.

My first (and last) thought was that it just looks like a house on a hill.
Hoping for some daytime pics to prove me wrong!

Yep, motion would have given us some parallax to judge distance and size.

Honestly, I don't think I'd have aproached, then again, I'm paranoid, and not the type to aproach things I'm less than sure about. Also, it's very possible the man taking this film is less than knowledgable about night-time photography and filming, and may not know that everythign gets screwed by light at night.

I'm not saying anyone's lieing about this, as there's not enough evidence. But due to the lack of evidence, there's no story.

Although, it's amazing what people don't notice. Out in Bremerton WA, there was a pillar of green light a few years back, seen by hundreds. But no one reported it, or seemed to really care. Then again, if it's not shaped vaguely like a disk, no one seems to care. (Look at the Utah mystery blimp)

i still say its a complex spider web.

with a few objects entangled in it.

Recon Soldier I cannot explain what is in this video but i think the idea of this being a spider web with lights on it is just silly. I mean come on would Rich (Who took this video) mistake a damn spider web for a UFO. I don't think so!

Sam.

objects reflect light.

i never said anything about lights.

And people make mistakes.
Yes he owns his own website dedicated to UFOs.

I see nothing else that it resembles.

Check out the new thread I posted today December 17th, 2006. New daytime video proving lightpost is just a lightpost. BTW Great responses!!!



I posted the new video today

indeed the new vid kills most of the theories, adds to the credibility.

Did the guy trip over a stuffed dog or a real dog cuz I dont hear a peep from any dog lol There was 2 lamp posts, the left lamp post doesnt show till he zooms out and obviously there is another one when he zooms in. The object doesnt move which could possibly mean its a stationary object.. the clip is too short to determine if whether or not the object actually left. He could have added in additional footage after the fact indicating the 'craft' to have left the premise including a visible time stamp. These discrepancies pose a problem to his claim of authenticity.

Hmm, why is there so much light coming from the left lamp when the reflector isn't angled at the videographer any more than the other lamp?

At least the reference footage confirms the object is far from being a "City in the Sky", the excessive focal length illustrates it was actually quite small in the sky; with no movement it could be a distant blimp or laser/light display. Why do videographers have an obsession with using the highest digital zoom possible at all times, thereby ensuring minimum detail in the subject they are filming...

As others have queried in the original post, why was it not possible to move your position to move the lampost within the frame? Had you moved to even position the 'UFO' behind the post it would have given more credence, as it is there is no confirmation on the UFO's size.

I didn't say I stepped on the dog but I tripped over him and broke my fall with the camera in one hand and a cigar in the other. I was running towards the tripod and tripped over the dog, the battery dislodged and went flying across the pooldeck. It was dark and I couldn't find the battery immediately but I got back to the object in about a minute once I found the battery and put it back in the camera. I looked where the object was and noticed it wasn't there then grabbed my binoculars which were swinging on the tripod centerpiece, looked for the object and it was gone. Gone too was the small white light that shot out from the center of the big object and hovered underneath it. SO that's why there is no more video.

It's hard to tell how you will react to something like this but I felt that this was very real and very special that I needed to get the best video possible. That meant getting the tripod and focusing in without shake. Unfortunately it didn't work out that way and I made a bad judgement call thinking the object would be there when I got back. It just shut off or took off but I missed the most important piece of evidence. I can see how some would think I am making a big deal out of a mundane object but this was a huge deal and very real. It could have been there for 5, 10 even 15 minutes before I spotted it and I took about a minute to realize I am looking at something unique. Then I saw a flash and a little white light shoot out the bottom and stop. I said a few choice words out loud and grabbed my camera about 15 feet away in the house. I came back out as the camera was warming up and got lucky enough to get on tape what you see here.

I understand that we all should be skeptical at first because there are so many claims withlittle proof that everything needs to be looked at with a microscope nowadays. I feel very lucky to get this on tape. Did other people see this? Probably because it was huge and just sitting there. I did call the local airport and AFB but they deny anyone else called in about the lights. I can't explain that but i can tell you that I've never lied about any of my findings and I have no desire to start now. What else can I say? I tried my best and got lucky with what I got on tape. I can sleep well at night.

Hi, cnufos. I say thanks for posting your sighting.

If it's not a UFO, then it's a fake/lie. Because I doubt that person would think it was a UFO if he knew there were a bridge or hill in the distance.

To me, it does not seem likely that it's fake or a lie. First you'd have to prove to me that there WAS a bridge or hill in the distance. I don't want to assume there was(I have nothing to indicate there was in the first place). For now, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, and say: Nice video.

Didn't you see the updated video I posted today? It shows the lightposts in the daytime with nothing behind them. No mountains or anything hanging off them. It's real.