Tobias Shamtul
Dec 4 2006, 12:46 AM
COLUMBUS, Ohio - A 14-year-old boy who was throwing eggs at cars along with two other teenagers was shot and killed by someone who had been in a sport utility vehicle that was hit, police said.
Danny Crawford was killed by a gunshot wound to his upper body, Franklin County Coroner Brad Lewis said. He died in an alley on the city’s west side early Saturday, authorities said.
The teens were throwing eggs at cars when an SUV that was struck chased them, Detective Tim Huston said. The vehicle stopped and several gunshots were fired, he said.
Police were looking for the shooter, who fled in the SUV, Sgt. Dana Norman said. The SUV believed to be involved was found a short time later near where Crawford died.
The other teens were not hurt, police said.
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girty1600
Dec 4 2006, 01:00 AM
The guy has issues that's for sure. However, throwing eggs (or anything for that matter) at moving vehicles is very dangerous not to mention very very stupid. I'm not going to start shooting egg tossers any time soon but if you throw something at my car expect to get your ass beat.
Gatofeo
Dec 4 2006, 02:32 AM
Find the shooter and try him. If found guilty, execute him. Now.
None of this waiting on Death Row for 20 years.
Anyone who abuses firearm ownership and kills someone should forefeit their life.
Of course, that's just how things would be if I ruled the world.
Realistically, this guy will be sentenced to 10 years, if caught. He'll be out in 6 to 8 years, perhaps even less with good behavior.
Of course, he will never ever be allowed to own or possess a firearm again, according to federal law. And if he does break that law, he'll be back in prison.
While he's in prison, make him build children's furniture for poor kids. Put a big poster of his victim on his cell wall, under Plexiglas so he can't deface it.
Oh, and when he gets out he should not be allowed to have a driver's license for a few years.
Throwing objects at cars is not funny. It's dangerous, as girty pointed out, but it doesn't warrant killing a kid for throwing eggs.
Time to make an example of someone infected with Road Rage. If I had my way, he'd be hanged from a tree nearest the site where the kid died.
ex infernis
Dec 4 2006, 05:59 AM
this guy needs serious jail time.
nativechick1989
Dec 4 2006, 07:46 AM
Thats sad ... but I agree with Girty, throwing things at a moving vehicle is dangerous. And the consequences, as we've seen, can be deadly.
chaoszerg
Dec 4 2006, 09:05 AM
I hope they catch the person who shot the kid but if your going to cause trouble and throw stuff at passing cars then expect trouble to come back tenfold.
coldethyl
Dec 4 2006, 03:37 PM
QUOTE(chaoszerg @ Dec 4 2006, 03:05 AM) [snapback]1449195[/snapback]
I hope they catch the person who shot the kid but if your going to cause trouble and throw stuff at passing cars then expect trouble to come back tenfold.
Exactly. I hope they find the guy and put him away. No kid deserves to be shot. And the neglectful parents have to live with this for the rest of their lives.
GoGoGodzilla
Dec 4 2006, 04:44 PM
how many 14 year old kids u know who have never thrown an egg?
i don't really think it has anythin to do with neglectful parents.. and..
people sayin "the consequences can be deadly" are simply pathetic
he caught the kid and you know, he could have given him a beaten for all i care..maybe even threw in some pistol whips if it made him feel any better..
but he pulled the trigger and took a childs life over an egg. now he deserves to be caught and EXECUTED.
Michelle
Dec 4 2006, 05:11 PM

Listen to you, Saint coldethyl...like you've never thrown an egg or rolled someones yard!
Being the youngest of four kids, in the olden days, it was almost an insult if your yard didn't get rolled. It was kind of a contest who was the best 'decorator' that could accomplish it without getting caught and my parents laughed, but we had to clean it up. Actually, my Mother started worrying that one of us wasn't popular anymore when our yard didn't get rolled.
I don't recommend anybody throwing anything at a moving car though...it's dangerous and I won't go into my experience with that.
chaoszerg
Dec 4 2006, 05:56 PM
They were both in the wrong.
The Kid was old enough to know better and what he was doing was dangerous he could have caused a accident himself by being dumb. And the guy was wrong to shoot the kid and now i hope the guy gets whats coming to him.
Michelle
Dec 4 2006, 06:09 PM
Yes, it was dumb and I agree that the guy that killed the kid needs to be put away. The one time I threw water balloons at cars I learned my lesson. Fortunately, I didn't die in that evening of stupidity.
xohxcdancing
Dec 4 2006, 06:29 PM
Take the shooter out, and shoot him. He deserves it. You cant go driving around shooting at kids. It was just an egg.
punish3ment
Dec 4 2006, 06:41 PM
I have to say that they are both at fault. That kid was throwing eggs at cars driving past, which is dangerous. But they guy actually took it one step further and shot the kid. I don't think it would be as bad if he beat the kid up, but there's no need to kill ANYONE over an egg.
xohxcdancing
Dec 4 2006, 06:52 PM
He could have at least grabbed an egg and chucked it back at the kid. It would sting, but not kill him.
IamsSon
Dec 4 2006, 07:46 PM
I believe that a woman was killed last year by some kids who were dropping heavy objects from an overpass on the cars passing below. These kids need to learn that what they are doing is not a game... it can have deadly consequences for someone who is innocently driving. It's unfortunate the 14 year old died, and his killer should be tried for murder right after the other two teens involved are tried for assault and attempted murder.
Michelle
Dec 4 2006, 08:09 PM
I'm not trying to justify what those egg throwing kids did, but there is a huge difference between dropping a cinderblock onto a 55 or 60 mile an hour freeway and throwing an egg at a car going maybe thirty miles an hour in a residential neighborhood.
I think what we've all agreed to is that the guy that killed him should be on trial for murder.
coldethyl
Dec 4 2006, 08:10 PM
QUOTE(1dominick1 @ Dec 4 2006, 10:44 AM) [snapback]1449558[/snapback]
how many 14 year old kids u know who have never thrown an egg?
i don't really think it has anythin to do with neglectful parents.. and..
people sayin "the consequences can be deadly" are simply pathetic
I know 2 that live in my house. I know where my kids are and I'm responsible for their actions. I don't let them run around like idiots. Neglectful parents=stupid kids. It's a fact.
QUOTE(Michelle @ Dec 4 2006, 11:11 AM) [snapback]1449594[/snapback]

Listen to you, Saint coldethyl...like you've never thrown an egg or rolled someones yard!
100% true. I have never done either. May sound lame I know, but it's true. When I was a teen the most outrageous thing of that sort I participated in was putting a 'pigs for sale' sign in someone's front yard.
QUOTE(IamsSon @ Dec 4 2006, 01:46 PM) [snapback]1449751[/snapback]
I believe that a woman was killed last year by some kids who were dropping heavy objects from an overpass on the cars passing below. These kids need to learn that what they are doing is not a game... it can have deadly consequences for someone who is innocently driving. It's unfortunate the 14 year old died, and his killer should be tried for murder right after the other two teens involved are tried for assault and attempted murder.
I agree.

These kids should have found something more productive to do. Pranks can be played without anyone being put in danger.
coldethyl
Dec 4 2006, 08:12 PM
QUOTE(Michelle @ Dec 4 2006, 02:09 PM) [snapback]1449774[/snapback]
I'm not trying to justify what those egg throwing kids did, but there is a huge difference between dropping a cinderblock onto a 55 or 60 mile an hour freeway and throwing an egg at a car going maybe thirty miles an hour in a residential neighborhood.
I think what we've all agreed to is that the guy that killed him should be on trial for murder.

I see what you're saying and I thought what Iams said was harsh at first, but think of this, if you're driving along and someone throws something at your car and it distracts you and you hit another car....see it all has consequences. If the kids had parents around to make them think about things like that it wouldn't have happened. Kids don't usually think that far ahead. Parents should.
Michelle
Dec 4 2006, 08:20 PM
Well, most of the mischief that I got into was when I was spending the night at someone else's house because our house was extremely hard to sneak out of.
I commend you for the effort, but don't underestimate your kids.
contactismade
Dec 4 2006, 08:32 PM
Don't under estimate ethyl, I would be in her shoes too. Where I live it is impossible for my kids to do something and me not find out. I get the info at all costs, get details, if you don't get the details they don't get to go. And there is a lot of talk about making an example of the shooter, but the other kid shouldn't get a pitty pass on this one. No one should feel bad about him not getting killed too, and let him off. Make an example of him too. I'm sure there are a lot of people here who are tired of the youth of today. Some may live in fear because they understand what the policies of the justice system could do for them of they were victimized by a young person. There has to be a crack down on this stuff, how else would these brainiacs have come to the conclusion that it would be okay to do this. They must of thought, hey they let cold blooded murderers of that are our age, so this should be nothing compared to that. I hear it all the time from the useless young people scuffing around, its an inside joke with them.
ASOP
Dec 4 2006, 08:36 PM
The boys were wrong but my GOD why would you shoot him should have called the police. SAD.
contactismade
Dec 4 2006, 08:38 PM
I wouldn't have called the police, would have laid in a beat down old school style.
Michelle
Dec 4 2006, 08:54 PM
^That's what I expected when the guy jumped out of his Corvette, when he didn't know what hit his car was just a water balloon. I never did anything else like that in my life after that. We outran him but it scared me to almost to death.
Maybe I should mention I was 12 at the time.
IamsSon
Dec 4 2006, 09:00 PM
QUOTE(Michelle @ Dec 4 2006, 02:54 PM) [snapback]1449824[/snapback]
^That's what I expected when the guy jumped out of his Corvette, when he didn't know what hit his car was just a water balloon. I never did anything else like that in my life after that. We outran him but it scared me to almost to death.
Maybe I should mention I was 12 at the time.
C'mon, fess up this was last week!
Geisha
Dec 4 2006, 09:02 PM
Personally I would have snatched his disrespectful *beep* up, taken him to his parents home, and demanded an apology from him and his parents. Then I would have requested that the parets do their duty and pay for the cleaning and/or damages that my vehical endured during this episode. There is nothing worse for a parent then public embarsment by their child. (Well that's what my mother taught me...however I ws taught better then to do something so stupid.)
If anyone is going to put blame out there they need to blame all party members...
1.) the kids for no using a lick of common sense.
2.) the driver for reacting with his anger and forgetting that he needs to be the adult in the situation. Also that a gun of all things is not a toy and is only to be used in the most extream of situations.
3.) the parents...because even though my mom was working 2 jobs, and was hardly ever home, so that she could put a roof over my head and food in my tummy I still knew the difference between having fun and doing something stupid. Ya I made mistakes when I was younger, but they only effected myself....
Sorry for the rant...I'll stop for the moment now.
Michelle
Dec 4 2006, 09:04 PM
Yeeesss, IamsSon.....
coldethyl
Dec 4 2006, 09:08 PM
QUOTE(Michelle @ Dec 4 2006, 02:20 PM) [snapback]1449788[/snapback]
I commend you for the effort, but don't underestimate your kids.

Well, I do believe I know my children best. They are by no means angels but they do not go over to other people's houses for sleep overs. We've had sleep overs at ours recently. We just moved back to the States and they knew no one here for a long time. The most fun they had was going back and staying with my parents and their aunts and uncles. I'm with my children when they are not in school and if they miss school without my permission, I would know about it immediately. Although that's never happened. Believe me when I say I know because the fact is, I do and I'm not delusional about it either. I know my son was up to some mischief when we lived in England when he had a certain group of friends, but I soon put a stop to that.
I'm not an absent parent and I don't believe in absentee parenting. I also believe that you can prevent a lot of stuff by being an active parent and so far I'm right in my situation. I have not and will not raise my kids to be idiots. I'm sure they'd tell you that too. I believe that when I had my kids, my life no longer was mine--it became theirs and everything I do is for their benefit.
That's my rant.
IamsSon
Dec 4 2006, 09:10 PM
QUOTE(coldethyl @ Dec 4 2006, 03:08 PM) [snapback]1449851[/snapback]
Well, I do believe I know my children best. They are by no means angels but they do not go over to other people's houses for sleep overs. We've had sleep overs at ours recently. We just moved back to the States and they knew no one here for a long time. The most fun they had was going back and staying with my parents and their aunts and uncles. I'm with my children when they are not in school and if they miss school without my permission, I would know about it immediately. Although that's never happened. Believe me when I say I know because the fact is, I do and I'm not delusional about it either. I know my son was up to some mischief when we lived in England when he had a certain group of friends, but I soon put a stop to that.
I'm not an absent parent and I don't believe in absentee parenting. I also believe that you can prevent a lot of stuff by being an active parent and so far I'm right in my situation. I have not and will not raise my kids to be idiots. I'm sure they'd tell you that too. I believe that when I had my kids, my life no longer was mine--it became theirs and everything I do is for their benefit.
That's my rant.

ASOP
Dec 4 2006, 09:25 PM
contactismade I dont know about you but back in the day (for me) thats just what would happen if any kids did some thing wrong the neighbors would fire you up (give you a woopin) then by the time you got home be ready to get another one cause your parents were already called now you cant do that some one would sue ya or kill you.
Michelle
Dec 4 2006, 09:37 PM
coldethyl
Dec 4 2006, 09:43 PM
I said my kids are not perfect. Is it so hard to believe that someone parents their kids? My kids would confide in me if they did something wrong. I'm confident of that. I'm sorry if that's so hard for you to believe, but if you've lived the lifestyle that I have you might understand.
Geisha
Dec 4 2006, 09:49 PM
QUOTE(IamsSon @ Dec 4 2006, 09:10 PM) [snapback]1449853[/snapback]
Well I don't know how old you are but I'm only 23...I'd still drag their children over to their home. (I wouldn't distrubite a beating though) This way if the parents want to be low life scum and not take care of their responsilibites (fixing/cleaning my car) I then can proced w/ legal actions to show that I was trying to be civil.....I learned to cover my butt when dealing with ignoant people.
Michelle
Dec 4 2006, 09:51 PM
I don't mean to insinuate that your children don't have an open, honest relationship with you. I'm thrilled that you are taking a more active role in your childrens upbringing than most people can.
I salute you...
coldethyl
Dec 4 2006, 10:10 PM
^^ It's all right. I know it's hard for people to understand the way we live. But when you're stuck in a foreign country and you only have each other for year after year, you do become reliant on each other and it makes you pretty close.
IamsSon
Dec 4 2006, 10:19 PM
Again, I'm with ethyl,
I know my kids are NOT perfect, but unfortunately for them, I was waaaaay worse than they are, so they're always shocked that Dad knows what they've been up to.
Actually, last year we found out our son had snuck out of the house at night to go toilet paper a friend's house.
It was funny how shocked he was that we knew what he had done and how he had gotten out. We had a very long talk about the dangers of sneaking out of the house, and part of his punishment was to determine what the proper discipline should be (kids are usually harder on themselves and more creative than you will be). My biggest problem during the "Big Talk" was keeping a straight face and not laughing, because I also used to sneak out of my house at night to hang out with my buddies, but I never got caught. I was also fortunate that nothing ever happened to me and that I did not get caught by my parents because I know I would have gotten more than a "Big Talk."
Michelle
Dec 4 2006, 10:27 PM
GoGoGodzilla
Dec 4 2006, 11:49 PM
-- i give up.
.. but don't be so confident that your kids are gonna come to you everytime they f up in life.
Ghost Ship
Dec 5 2006, 04:25 AM
I have felt road rage before and felt like beating the crap out of someone on the road but there's people who have tempors from hell and that coupled with road rage is a murderous mix indeed.
Geisha
Dec 5 2006, 07:30 AM
That is true. I myself have had extremly bad instances with such types of people.....what can I say but ingnorance is deffenatly not bliss.
coldethyl
Dec 5 2006, 02:35 PM
Well, we live out in the country and my son's nearest friend is probably 15 miles away. They're just making new friends at the new school that they are in so hopefully it will be still a while before the new friends come round. Also they have the disadvantage that their father is a night shift person so he's up all night on the week-ends.
I'm looking in to the barbed wire around the house.
contactismade
Dec 5 2006, 03:11 PM
QUOTE(ASOP @ Dec 4 2006, 02:25 PM) [snapback]1449874[/snapback]
contactismade I dont know about you but back in the day (for me) thats just what would happen if any kids did some thing wrong the neighbors would fire you up (give you a woopin) then by the time you got home be ready to get another one cause your parents were already called now you cant do that some one would sue ya or kill you.
I came from the same time and place, my dad used to tell random people if they saw me doing something stupid to give me a smuck upside the head.
contactismade
Dec 5 2006, 03:16 PM
QUOTE(IamsSon @ Dec 4 2006, 03:19 PM) [snapback]1449932[/snapback]
Again, I'm with ethyl,
I know my kids are NOT perfect, but unfortunately for them, I was waaaaay worse than they are, so they're always shocked that Dad knows what they've been up to.
Actually, last year we found out our son had snuck out of the house at night to go toilet paper a friend's house.
It was funny how shocked he was that we knew what he had done and how he had gotten out. We had a very long talk about the dangers of sneaking out of the house, and part of his punishment was to determine what the proper discipline should be (kids are usually harder on themselves and more creative than you will be). My biggest problem during the "Big Talk" was keeping a straight face and not laughing, because I also used to sneak out of my house at night to hang out with my buddies, but I never got caught. I was also fortunate that nothing ever happened to me and that I did not get caught by my parents because I know I would have gotten more than a "Big Talk."
Yeah thats going to be my kids problem too, I was into way more stuff than they could ever think of so I will be onto them no problem.
ASOP
Dec 5 2006, 04:34 PM
Yea growing up in the 70s and 80s was ok all the neighbors were like family I truly miss them most have died or moved away. Everyone looked out for each other we lived in the same town for 40 years and last year my sister and I had a home built 30 miles away from our old little town that now looks like little Philadelphia. We go back just about every weekend to pick up a friend of my son who is like my son and every time I go there I cant belive its the same little town I once knew.I talk to my son all the time and I hope he would come to me if he did do some thing stupid.
contactismade
Dec 5 2006, 04:39 PM
I live with my kids in the town I grew up in, its good because my wife 's family and my whole family live here too, and thats what I wanted for my kids. I going to be honest with my kids, I won't be a hypocrite, and I'll make their business my business without having to control it.
Watzel
Dec 5 2006, 07:19 PM
Actually an egg could be a deadly weapon. If they hit the windshield and caused the driver to swerve out of reaciton and hit a tree or another car someone could have gotten killed. Also, what if the driver had kids in the car? What if the first thing that came to his mind is that he could have crashed and killed one of his children? A person reacts funny when they are protecting their kids.
Not saying that taking the life of the kid was right but I bet his friends never throw eggs at cars anymore.
Tremor
Dec 6 2006, 04:42 AM
ahh this story brings back memories...
last haloween me and a freind went around town throwing eggs at people. it was funny untill the next day at school this one kid who was all upset about getting egged came up from behind and punched me in the back of the head, so i spun around and punched him in the face and then he ran off to tell the teacher, and we both got suspended. it was loads of fun!
GoGoGodzilla
Dec 6 2006, 05:07 AM
i grew up in the city so i admit it might be diff from livin in the middle of no where ( i feel bad for your kids ) but most everyone i know has gone eggin at some point another.. whether it be at cars, houses or people on halloween or otherwise and seriously.. i dont know how you have the gall to even suggest this kid had it comin to him.
and even worse to suggest he was protection his children.. i don't care how thick headed you are if your children are in the car you don't speed after some punk kids who threw eggs at ya car and shoot them in front of your children.. that's not protectin your kids that's beyond f'd up.
quit tryin to justify this cold-blooded murder, he needs to be found and executed. and honestly you're gonna realize your children aint perfect and i hope you don't have to bury your 14 year old child for .. BEING A KID.
girty1600
Dec 6 2006, 05:11 AM
I would teach my children not to put themselves in such situations. Problem solved.
GoGoGodzilla
Dec 6 2006, 05:14 AM
and what? you think your kids are gonna be perfect too? do everythin you teach and say? doesn't work that way. sorry.
kids will be kids, teens will always do stupid things no matter who their parents are. don't tell me you never did anythin your parents objected to i will not believe you and neither will anybody else.
Michelle
Dec 6 2006, 05:38 AM
There is an old saying....'for every one thing you see, there are 30 more you don't'...
....when your kids are 30 or 40 years old you will sit around and laugh at all the things they tell you they got away with...just like some of the parents are telling us here.
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