The man who later became Pope John XXIII tried in vain to challenge the Vatican's perceived indifference to the Nazi Holocaust, a new study has found.

Papers and diaries show then Archbishop Giuseppe Roncalli posted an urgent telegram in 1944 to Pope Pius XII on the atrocities at Auschwitz.

The telegram's date contradicts the Vatican's official version of when it received a report.

The new insight comes from the papers of a Jewish emissary, Haim Barlas.

He had befriended Archbishop Roncalli, then the papal nuncio to Istanbul, in the 1940s.

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The exchange of letters between Barlas and Roncalli, mostly in French, was recently uncovered in a private collection in Israel.

The letters show that Roncalli was frustrated by the Vatican's silence in the face of what was emerging in Europe.

They show that in 1943, the archbishop took it upon himself to write to the president of Slovakia asking him to stop the Nazi deportation of Jews.

On 23 June 1944, Barlas passed Roncalli a chilling 30-page report.

The document, now known as the Auschwitz protocols, had been compiled by two Jews who had escaped the camp that April.

The archbishop quickly scribbled a synopsis of the report and sent it by telegram.

His message made clear that the camp's purpose was the mass killing of Jews.

The date the telegram was sent contradicts the Vatican's official version that it only received details of the report in October 1944.

Vatican officials, when asked about the alleged discrepancy, suggested the question be directed to historians of the period.

But while all of the archbishop's correspondence with his Church superiors has been preserved in the Vatican archives, the part that could clarify when he sent the details has not been made available to scholars.

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I've said it many times before... Silence equals support.

"The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who, in time of moral crisis, maintain their neutrality" -Inferno, The Divine Comedy

It's so horable what was done back then. However I'm not surprised at the Vatican's stance back then...I mean look now. Their still covering up s**t.

I'm sure, with a little bit of digging around and that criteria, I could show that the US, or any political entity, supported the holocaust or any other number of things that remind us how low humanity can sink.
I'm also wondering what the Vatican could have been done. Fascist troops were in Rome until June 1944. Vatican speaks out against the holocaust and gets a nice garrison of SS.

It seems to be the churches way to turn a blind eye as to what is going on in the world at any given time. They only care about their agenda. Which anymore I really don't know what that is. They used to want to conqure the earth, and it seemed they did on and off for a few centuries. But now, the vatican seems like just a place to bury popes, and hide the wealth of the church from those who would find a better use for it. (like their followers)

There was some companies that did, but the US as a general didn't... I sort of remember we went to war with them.

Yeah, then why lie about it? They didn't care that it was Jews that were being slaughtered. Now if it was Christians, they would have been screaming at the top of their lungs.

Well.. concidering that the Catholic was responsible for nearly the same thing. Tired as it is.. the Inquisition killed nearly the same amount of jewish, pagans, homosexuals, and other groups.

To cry out foul and condem the Nazis... would be yet another cause for being called hypocrites.

I'm not condoning this.. just offering up a different view.

After all, the new Pope did blame the Holocaust on pagans, as if setting up a way for the Catholic church to make a statement condeming the Nazis for what they did without looking likehypocrites. Which.. pisses me off.

I did a paper on the spanish Inquistion and my Professor was Roman Catholic, even though I cited several books on the subject for backing he was furious that I would do a report that "The Roman Church was as guilty as Hitler". Needless to say I did not get a very good grade.

The Rcc is the wealthiest company in the world. There was a definite period, early on, where Jews could be "ransomed" out of the camps. They could have rescued thousands of Jews if they had simply gone through a third-party agent.

I think you could have disputed that. Claim that he used his religion to give you a bad grade. From what I knew.. that was a taboo.

I believe the actual number executed by the church through Inquisition was only a hundred or so people, not that that is ok.

Most of those whose deaths are now popularly attributed to the church were actually done by mobs and secular civil authorities.

I have been telling you all along... Time to destroy the Church I will uproot the church, destroy the existence of it. I love catholics but the church is just horrible.

Did you actually use the Hitler comparison? If you did, you deserved it.

Something Like Laughter, a believer in enforcing Godwin's Law ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law ) outside of the Internet.

Interesting you bring up godwin's law when the topic is in fact the nazis and the church. So what if you don't like it... They were giving their support to the mass slaughter of Jews.

Maybe you just didn't write a good paper, or maybe you didn't answer the question properly, or maybe something else was the reason. Back in university, I had this lecturer, and everyone who had been in his class was telling me not to disagree with him. "You disagree with his point of view, and he'll shoot you down, so just write what he wants you to write". So the first thing I do is disagree with him, (well, I had a different opinion on the evolution of theatre). Needless to say, I got a Distinction for that paper, because I stuck to the question, didn't ridicule his point of view, just stated an alternate theory.

Just a thought.

Actually, the Jesuits helped start WW1 and WW2 and are directly responsible for the holocaust. [It was really a 20th century inquisition, against Jews of the Jewish faith. Catholic Jews were not persecuted:]
Read this;

JESUITS HELPED TO START TWO WORLD WARS


The heroes of communism, Marx and Engels, who wrote the communist
manifesto, in the 1880s, were actually coached and directed by Jesuit
priests. The communist party was formed for the task of destroying the
protector of the hated orthodox church, the Czar of Russia. It was for
revenge. The communist party was financed in secret by agents of Rome
(the illuminati) in order to create another power that was a servant
of the vatican.
Before World War 1, a large group of wealthy Jews was trying to gain
control over Jerusalem. This made the Vatican very angry. The vatican
had been wanting to move to Jerusalem for a long time, since
Christianity had started there. These Jews that were fighting against
the vatican's plans were to be made to pay for their stubborness. The
Vatican constucted a plan that destroy the European Jews and turn the
world against them. The Vatican directed some Jews that were loyal to
the catholic church to write an article called the protocols of Zion.
This document would pave the way for the coming Jewish holocaust, even
if it would also cause the deaths of many Roman catholics as well.
In the early 1900s, France made the Vatican angry by making a
political deal with the Czar of Russia. Previously, France had dumped
its catholic King and had become a republic; this also made the
Vatican angry. In the meantime, the orthodox church was spreading
thooughout Bulgaria, Rummania, Greece, part of Turkey, and Serbian
Yugoslavia. The Vatican wanted to bring France to its knees and also
stop the religious competition in the Balkans. The solution to these
problems was simple, the Jesuits would start World War 1. The pope was
backing Germany, so when the catholic Kaisar asked the Vatican if it
could expand Germany's borders, Pope Pius X and the Jesuits gave him
there blessings and permission. Germany started fighting France and
treaties pulled more nations intoj the conflict; Germany was fighting
France, England, Russian and the US. Millions died, many were Roman
catholic, in 4 years of bloody war.Even while men were still dying in
World War 1, the Jesuits were already busy preparing World War 2 and a
new catholic inquisition, the holocaust. In July 1919, when the
allies were signing the treaty of Versailles, at the end of World War
1, they were so angry at the Vatican for starting the war that they
refused to recognize the Vatican as a political power anymore and kept
them away from the conference table.
In Russian the empress, the wife of Czar Nicholas, told Rasputin, a
monk, where the Czar's gold was hidden. Rasputin told this information
to the patriarch of the Russian Orthodox church.
The Jesuits worked closely with Marx, Engels, Trotsky, Lenin and
Stalin, while they were carefully preparing for the Russian
revolution. The Jesuits secretly moved their gold into Russia, to
finance this, using their key men. They believed that communism would
rise up as a new strong daughter of the Vatican. The Russian
revolution succeeded, the Czar was forced to abdicate and his family
was put under house arrest. The Royal family was moved to the Urals
for securtiy reasons, while an army of Czechs was coming to try to
rescue him where he was being held. A group of Ural Soviets held a
quick trial and the Royal family was found guilty; some of these
soviets were Jesuits pretending to be communists. The protector of the
Russian orthodox church, the Czar, was now facing the Jesuits of Rome,
and he and his family were killed. The communists then moved to
destroy the Vatican's religious competitors, the Russian orthodox
church; its religious leaders were being hunted down. However, when
the communists approached the old patriarch, he greeted them and told
them he was holding the Czars gold for them. The communists put down
their weapons, accepted the Czar's gold and his friendship and the
killing of the Russian orhodox clergy was stopped. The communists not
only got the Czar's gold but they betrayed the Vatican and kept the
pope's gold too, which was worth over 600 million dollars. The Vatican
went wild with anger; they had been double-crossed. The Vatican was
going to make the communists pay for this no matter what it would
cost. The Jesuits decided to start another war so that they could have
another inquisition and the victims would now include the orthodox
church and the communists of Russia along with the Jews and
protestants. The financial arm of the Vatican (the illuminati, Opus
Dei, and key masons) have so much wealth that they can sway the
economy of the world and cause planned depressions. After the first
World War, Germany was in a terrible depression. Certain pro-catholic
Jews were ordered to buy up the land from the poor broke Germans. The
money was supplied by the Vatican and the land was bought at a cheap
price. This was going to be used to stir up hatred against the Jews at
a future date. The Jews would be accused of showing no mercy to the
Germans when they stole their lands during the depression.
At the end of World War 1, the Jesuits moved on three fronts.
Moussolini came to power in Italy and his black shirted thugs beat all
opponents into submission. A jesuit named Venturi was assigned to work
with Moussalini. The catholic vote, controlled by the Vatican put
Moussolini into power. To pay off the Vatican, Mousalini signed a
concordat (a document of mutual support) with the Vatican, and this
made catholicism the only religion allowed in Italy and its
trerritories.
The German government was very weak, and the economy was ruined. Some
people wanted to make Germany a republic; the Vatican moved to stop
this. They prepared the way for Germany's new Roman Catholic leader,
Adolph Hitler. Hitler's brown shirts, the Nazis, backed by the
Vatican, beat all of their opponents into submission, this included
opposing Roman catholics. A jesuit priest, father Staempfle, wrote a
book for Hitler, titled Mein Kampf; the book was the master plan of
the Jesuits for Hitler's take over of Germany. [ It was the Jesuits
that perfected the famous Pan-German program laid out in this book,
and Hitler endorsed it. - This is taken from the book, THE SECRET
HISTORY OF THE JESUITS page 138, by Edmond Paris, a catholic French
historian.] Street battles between catholics that were Nazis and
catholics that were communists took place. The Jesuits built the
third Reich, with its symbol the swastika, a massonic symbol. (Note:
Hitler and his associates were all catholic and they all had some
jewish blood in their veins. - according to Alberto Rivera, former
Jesuit priest.) Pope Pius XI supported Hitler, and the catholic vote
put Hitler into power in 1933. Gemany signed a concordat with the
Vatican in 1933. The catholic Nazi, Von Papen, one of Hitler's
diplomats, boasted to the world, "the third Reich is the first power,
which not only recognizes, but puts into practice, the high principles
of the papacy." (Der Voelkischer Beobachter, Jan. 14, 1934.) {You
might say that these, so called, high principles of the papacy
resulted in millions of people being murdered in concentration camps.}
In Spain, tunnels were found between the convents and priest rectories
in which little baby skeletons were found; the priests and nuns were
having sex and allowing the babies that were born to the nuns to die.
The discovery of this led to the Spanish civil war. Some Spanish
catholics revolted against the Vatican because of this. The Pope hired
several divisions of Moslem mercenaries fighting under Franco, to kill
all Roman catholics, Jews and protestants that opposed them. Because a
few of the catholic revolters were communists, the catholic controlled
press leaked out the story that it was a communist rebellion and not
what it really was, a catholic rebellion. General Franco won the
battle and became the catholic dictator of Spain, ending the Spanish
republic government that Spain had previously. So now the Jesuits had
leaders of Italy, Germany, and Spain that would obey the Jesuits.
German catholics under orders from the Vatican began joining
protestant churches and pretending to be protestant. When the
anti-Jewish attrocities began, these undercover catholics, in
protestant churches, publicly accused the Jews and turned them over to
the Gestapo for shipment to the death camps. [The Jesuits are masters
of deceit. They took 1000 Roman catholic Jews and hid them at the
Vatican for the duration of the war. This was just in case Hitler lost
the war. If Hitler lost the war, the Vatican could say they also
helped the Jews. But these were catholic Jews. It was the non catholic
Jews that the Gestapo wanted to kill.] The vatican always covers
itself in case its plans backfire.
While Hitler was building his war machine, in the 1930s, the Jesuits
were busy establishing 5th columns in the countries scheduled for the
Nazi invasions. A 5th column is a secret army within a country that is
ready to surrender and help an invading country to capture its own
nation. The organization called catholic action, in these countries,
was the 5th column. Jesuit priests, Picard, Arendt, and Foucalt
preached a Hitlerite, fascist Gospel, calling it a spiritual renewal
in Belgium. In the United States, the Jesuit father Coughlin (the
apostle of the swastika) reached over 20 million listeners by radio,
saying that the German war is a battle for Christianity. He also
headed secret commando cells that were trained by Nazi agents, from
1936 - 1942 in the United States.
Hitler started his fast attacks in Europe and World War 2 started.
Germany, Italy and Japan fought the rest of the world and millions
died. One of Hitler's greatest sources of intelligence information
came through the Roman catholic confessionals all over the world.
Hitler's secret servic, the Gestapo, was built up after the principles
of the Jesuit Order, by Heindrich Hemler. Many catholic priests wore
the uniform of Hitler's Gestapo. The Jesuit father Himmler, Heindrich
Himmler's uncle, was one of the superior officers of the Gestapo. It
was mainly through the Gestapo that six and a half million Jews
suffered torture and death; the 20th century catholic inquisition was
in full swing. Bible believing protestants that tried to help the Jews
also went into the concentration camps. In Yugoslavia, the Greek
orthodox church, the Serbians, were terribly tortured and murdered by
the Ustachi killer squads, catholic groups that were led by Jesuits.
Many catholic priests were members of the Ustachi killer squads. The
Jesuit monseigneur Tiso, in Slovakia, chief of the Slovakian state,
provided the first contingent of Jews, from Slovakia, to be murdered
at Auschwitz. Monseigneur Tiso was hanged as a war criminal after the
war was over. You can read about the Ustachi killer squads and see
actual photographs of them in action at this website: Read THE
VATICAN'S HOLOCAUST, online, here:
http://www.reformation.org/holocaus.html#Contents
Pope Pius XII, after building the Nazi war machine, saw Hitler losing
his battle against Russia, and he immediately jumped to the allies
side as he saw that Hitler was going to lose the war. Then the Vatican
began to use the organizations under its control to cover up the
Vatican's involvement with starting World War 2 and its involvement in
the holocaust. Germany surrendered May 8th 1945 and Europe was in
ruins. The Vatican had these contigency plans in case Hitler lost the
war:
1. Make everyone believe that the Vatican had nothing to do with the
war and, in time, try to convince people that the holocaust never
happened.
2. Make sure that rebellious nuns, monks, and priests were also put
into the concentration camps to try to convince the world that the
catholic church was also persecuted.
3. They ordered catholic families and priests to protect Jews in their
homes so this could be used in the future as good public relations
material for books and films. Those Jews that were protected had
already been converted to catholicism.
4. Put on a new face by setting up the Vatican II council.
5. Set up a communist pope from behind the Iron Curtain to please the
communists and try to convert them to catholicism. This was Pope John
23rd.

Read what the press of the Catholic, Spanish dictator, Franco,
published on the 3rd of May, 1945, the day of Hitler's death. It said,
"Adolf Hitler, son of the Catholic Church, died while defending
Christianity." It is therefore understandable that words cannot be
found to lament over his death, when so many were found to exalt his
life. It goes on to say, "Over his mortal remains stands his
victorious moral figure. With the palm of the martyr, God gives Hitler
the laurels of Victory." This funeral oration of Adolph Hitler was
voiced by the Holy See itself, under the cover of Franco's press. It
is a communique of the Vatican via Madrid.
Hitler himself stated, "I learned much from the Order of the Jesuits.
Until now, there has never been anything more grandiose, on the earth,
than the hierarchical organization of the Catholic church. I
transferred much of this organization into my own party."
Walter Schellenberg, former chief of Nazi counter-espionage made this
statement: "The S.S. organization had been constituted by Himmler
according to the principles of the Jesuit Order. Their regulations and
the Spiritual Exercises prescribed by Ignatius of Loyola were the
model Himmler tried to copy exactly. Himmler's title as supreme chief
of the S.S. was to be the equivalent of the Jesuits' 'General' and the
whole structure was a close imitation of the Catholic Church's
hierarchical order."
Hitler was also ready to discuss with the Bishop his views on the
Jewish question: Adoph Hitler said, "As for the Jews, I am just
carrying on with the same policy which the Catholic church has adopted
for fifteen hundred years, when it has regarded the Jews as dangerous
and pushed them into ghettos etc., because it knew what the Jews were
like. I don't put race above religion, but I do see the danger in the
representatives of this race for Church and State, and perhaps I am
doing Christianity a great service."
"The Nazi Persecution of the Churches" by J S Conway pages 25 ,26 ,
and 162



References:
The Secret History of the Jesuits, by catholic French historian Edmond
Paris.
The Vatican's Holocaust, by Avro Manhattan
The Godfathers, by Jack T Chick found at this website:
http://www.chick.com/reading/comics/0114/0...pages.asp?PG=09
Smokescreens, by Jack Chick, found at this website:
http://www.chick.com/reading/books/153/153_03.asp
Information provided by former high ranking Jesuit priest, Alberto
Rivera, that was taught to him by his instructor at the Vatican, whose
name was Augustine Cardinal Bea.




The information was provided by Alberto Rivera, former high ranking
Jesuit priest, that later became a baptist preacher. He was taught
this information while a Jesuit priest at the Vatican by his
instructor, Augustine Cardinal Bea.
You can read about this at this website:
http://www.chick.com/reading/comics/0114/0...pages.asp?PG=09
The news media and the movie industry are mostly controlled by the
catholic church, so they will never report on this type of
information. Also, only high ranking members of the catholic clergy
that are involved in undercover work are going to be told this kind of
secret information.
There is a whole book that you can read online that proves that
Alberto Rivera was really a Jesuit priest. It is titled, IS ALBERTO
FOR REAL; you can read it at this website:
http://www.chick.com/reading/books/199/0199cont.asp
At this website, you can see the picture I. D. card of Alberto Rivera
that he had as a Jesuit priest.
http://www.chick.com/reading/books/199/0199_01a.asp
Don't think that this ID is a fake computer generated image. This same
ID and photo is behind the front cover of the Alberto series magazines
and they were published long before people had home computers and
before the internet got started. The ID is for real.

150,000 Jews served in Wehrmacht, hundreds were awarded medals.
SS General Milch was a Jew, so was Goebbels, and Eichman! Hitler was supported
by Vatican money, so was Mousolini. Jews that served in the Wehrmacht and Milch
and Goebbels, and Eichman, were Jews that were not of the Jewish religion. They were of the Jewish race but the religion was not judaism.
The holocaust was about religion, not race. Catholics of Jewish decent were not persecuted.
When Hitler started to lose the war with Russia, the Vatican switched to the allies side and denied any involvement with Hitler. Race was one of the cover stories the Jesuits planned to use if Hitler lost the war.

Jack Chick, LOL.
antiaging, do yourself a favor and stop reading that guy.

No surprise. I guess when your an airhead you'll do anything to depopulize the planet and make money. The victians are a group full of a bunch of airheads that don't think before they act. Why can't we find real leaders. Other then the airhead leaders we have now ruling the world. That think killing and money are more important then trying to save lifes and helping the poor.

Jack Chick is as credible a source as the Onion, or The Landover Baptist site.


That is to say.. he's not credible at all.

So in essence... I'm *gasp* agreeing with SLL. XD