Who are these people called the freemasonaries?

Are they good or are they bad?

In my opinion their bad. But who knows somebody can prove me wrong. But I have a feeling. I think their some kind of cult. But I could be wrong. Can somebody tell me who these people are.

They are a group of men, a secret order, involved with personal developement, occult rituals, and spiritual practises. It is said that top level freemasons (high degree) are part of Illuminati and running and controlling the world. There are some million members worldwide and they are often in high positions in society. Only men are allowed in this order. They go through different degrees of initiations (rituals with the purpose of getting deeper understanding and insights) and they are not allowed to tell anyone outside the order, or with lesser degrees, what they do in these rituals and what they learn and are involved with within the order. They have many lodges in most cities in virtually every country in the world where they meet. They are also very obsessed about numerology and architecture and symbolism among other things - artistical work and buildings made by masons are usually quite spetacular. Specially on the inside, such as in their temples etc.

"FREEMASONS, n.
An order with secret rites, grotesque ceremonies and fantastic costumes, which, originating in the reign of Charles II, among working artisans of London, has been joined successively by the dead of past centuries in unbroken retrogression until now it embraces all the generations of man on the hither side of Adam and is drumming up distinguished recruits among the pre-Creational inhabitants of Chaos and Formless Void. The order was founded at different times by Charlemagne, Julius Caesar, Cyrus, Solomon, Zoroaster, Confucious, Thothmes, and Buddha. Its emblems and symbols have been found in the Catacombs of Paris and Rome, on the stones of the Parthenon and the Chinese Great Wall, among the temples of Karnak and Palmyra and in the Egyptian Pyramids -- always by a Freemason."

From Ambrose Bierce's The Devils's Dictionary


Like Bierce said, the Freemasons are a (sem-)secret organization that appeared somewhere, some time in the past few centuries -- probably in England and probably in the 17th Century. They are not a cult; they espouse no particular religious creed, but they do insist their members believe in one, single god. They are concerned with fostering community benevolence and morality in their members -- they were and are well-known for their charities, particularly old people's and orphan's homes.

Throughout the 18th and early 19th Century, they were a significant force in American politics. Practically all of Washington's army was a freemason and a great many of the Founding Fathers were. Washington famously wore his Masonic apron to the dedication of the Capital building. He is also quoted as saying "As the Masons are, so shall America be."
During the federal period, almost anyone who could became a Mason, particualrly in the law and government fields. Masonic temples and lodges were in virtually every city and town. In the 1930s, I believe, one of their symbols, the All-Seeing Eye, was put on the backs of One Dollar notes.

Because they were very popular and fairly successful at keeping their rituals and meetings secret, there was a lot of curiousity about them. In upstate New York, one member (who many claimed to be an alcoholic and debtor) told people he was going to publish a book outlining the Mason's secrets.
Several lodges colluded to have him kidnapped, taken across the border into Canada and murdered. Other Masons arranged to suborn the legal system to protect the criminals who did this.
Public outcry and fear against this led to the formation of the Anti-Masonic political party, the first successful third party in the US. They largely succeeded in purging the US government of Masons and destroying the US lodges completely.

They survived and after a few years began to regrow. They still exist.

Today, primarily, they exist as the alledged source of some of the more fantastic conspiracy theories. They are more or less successfully linked with the Bavarian Illuminati, the Rosicrucians, the Knights Templar, the masons of Solomon's temple, aliens from Sirius and the New World Order. Their alledged enemies are the Vatican and/or the Jews, and/or the "legitimate government of the United States", and/or Repteloids, and/or Pleiadians, or any other group who took your cookies in primary school.

Although they just possibly may be the architects of a world-wide conspiracy, they look and act a whole lot like other run of the mill societies like the Elks, the Rotarians and the Kiwanis.

-- Jaylemurph

My uncle was a Mason. Mostly he sat around the lodge and drank beer.

The fathers of Boy Scouts and the future leaders of the New World Order!

They are basically a glorified version of the Boy Scouts....or the Chess Club.

Lol

It seems to me like there's a difference between Freemasons and Masons. There's a Masonic lodge in my town, and there are female members, etc. Your not allowed to talk about religion or politics, it's supposed to be a place to relax and hang out and talk about anything but controversy. The sit around and drink beer. I think freemasons are a bit different. I mean, I got to go into the main hall of the mason lodge here, and it was incredlible. They still do ceremonies and rituals, and you can't go beyond a certain point in the room, stuff like that. It's really neat inside. You have to know someone already a member to be invited in. Anyways, is there a difference between these two groups or are they the same group?

Freemasons and Masons are the same thing. Here's a link about Co-Masonry, the women in the masons:

http://www.luckymojo.com/comasonry.html#TODAY .

The masons tend to be a lot less secretive today, so maybe some of their restrictions have been loosened.

Their customs look beautiful.

I don't know much about the freemasons myself, but Wikipedia has a god article on them.

Wikipedia Link

You're kidding right? They may look beautiful but the rituals can be deadly!

An initiation ceremony at a Masonic Lodge in New York has ended in tragedy after a man was killed during a ritual for new members.
William James was accidentally shot in the head when a lodge member used a real gun instead of a blank pistol by mistake.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3500022.stm

A good refernce point McKenna is Robert Lomas's Hiram Key - Lomas is himself a mason, but knowing very little about it, decided to research what its all about.

BillyHill, the guy that died in the Patchogue Lodge was taking part in an illegal ritual - a hunting club made up of members of the Lodge - that involved the candidate taking part in a "hunt" where he was the "prey", ending up getting "shot" by the great hunters. The problem was that the weapon was loaded... and the candidate died.

There are three guys in prison for this right now - all three for manslaughter. It came out afterwards that the Chief of Police and the Judge were Freemasons as well - so don't go thinking that the murderers got off through the help of 'Brothers in High Places'.

The Hunting Club was not sanctioned by the Lodge, and since it had a large group of Patchogue Lodge members as members of the club, the entire Lodge lost its Charter - and all of their property. There were over thirty members of the Lodge that were brought up on "Unmasonic" charges and were kicked out of the fraternity for thier stupid practices.

This was taken VERY seriously by the Grand Lodge of New York and by the area Lodges as well. The Patchogue Lodge was just under 200 years old, and owned a fine building in a great location, and had lots of very, very old memorabilia. This was quite a blow for the fraternity as a whole.

The last time a prospective member died was back in the 1950's when an EIGHTY year old man had a heart attack during the ritual for the Master Mason degree.

Prior to that, the last ALMOST verifiable death was that of Captain Morgan in the Morgan Affair in upstate New York. After 150 years, it is widely accepted that the murder was carried out by overzealous Freemasons, but there was so much evidence lost (on purpose) or destroyed at the time that it was impossible to convict on anything more than conjecture and circumstantial evidence. The trial was conducted by Freemasons, all members were let off scott free - and the HUGE uproar created the first (and only viable) third political party in the US, the Anti-Masonic Party. The Party died out after about 50 years.
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Co-Masonry is REALLY looked down upon by the standard Freemason, as it has a loooooonnnnnng history of being men-only. In most jurisdictions the Oath or Obligation taken by the candidate has a section about not taking part in making females members, so we're pretty serious about it. However, there are still Co-Masonic Lodges around that will admit anyone.

The ritual IS beautiful, but has two levels of understanding. The first is just watching and listening to what is going on - and that is quite beautiful. The more impressive part is the meaning behind all the symbolism involved - and there could be dozens of college classes involved in going in to all of the meanings. The majority of members don't even touch at the symbology - even those who rise up in higher degrees. Just my personal guess, but I'm thinking that the number of those who dig into the meanings is 10%, with much less than half of those going any deeper than reading a book or two.

The history is up in the air for the group. Legitimately, we can trace the Freemason lineage to 1717 when four Lodges in England got together to form the Grand Lodge of England - so we know there were Lodges (at least four of them!) prior to that. There are reports of people seeing records or reading minutes of Lodges as far back as the early 1500's, but nobody has produced any documentation to prove any of that. All other stories about where the organization comes from is complete conjecture and a WHOLE lot of dreaming. Some makes logical sense, but there is no actual PROOF to back it up.

The most logical start is via the stonemasons of Europe, as they actually had the right to travel the lands freely - hence the term "freemasons." This was almost impossible at the time, considering the feudal rulership and travel restrictions. Going earlier than the stonemasons is ludicris, so the actual myth of Hiram Abif is nothing more than a fanciful story.

The Illuminati link is just as much a stretch as anything else. The Freemasons are in search of Knowledge - knowledge of Deity, self and mankind as a whole, and we call knowledge "Light"... as in, "In search of Light." Originally (biblically), Deity is considered "Light", and as man tries to learn of Deity's meaning (learn more about God) he is said to be searching for the "Light." The root of the Latin word for Light is "Lumin", as in "luminari". As someone gathers knowledge, they are said to be "enlightened." So, the group that Weishaupt (a Freemason) created was called the "Illuminati", or "Enlightened Ones." He was a political agitator and wanted to use the group to steer politics via peaceful - and not so peaceful - means. The group died out after about 20 years.

Any more questions, just holler!

Hey guys, my grand father and myself are both Masons. My grandfather is a 33rd degree Past Master and I am a 3rd degree Master Mason. My family brought over the masionic books from england and founded the lodge in Savannah, Georgia back in the day. Anyway if any of you have questions about anything pertaining to masonry, the knights templar, or what ever feel free to send me an email at stevie.brodsky@gmail.com

So what about the Red Egg?

The Red Egg?

LMAO





hmmm....... I wonder if there's a Pink Egg?

It was a very serious question and dates back to the earliest Egyptian religion, which is the basis for modern Freemasonry - not that the average Mason will have any idea about this

I've twice seen this same question trigger a response that was nothing short of bizarre (and which suggested brainwashing) in people who claimed they were not Masons - thereby confirming they were. A colleague turned a suspected Mason into something resembling a zombie with the same question.

dude, ive never met a mason who will deny that they are if someone asks them. Its not exactly that secret of a society. In the 50's you couldnt go out in public without running into 5 masons before you get to the grocery store. Back then if you weren't one then you were good friends with someone who was.

Yes but even though your not that much of a secret society. Your still a secret society. Keeping truths that are probably very important to all of the people of the world safety a secret. And like I said on your thread that you posted. To me that is very very very evil. And here again I offer you the chance to prove that what your saying is true. Not just by your own testimony. But perhaps a website. And if you can't prove what your saying to be true. Then what your saying probably isn't so.

go look at my response and rethink your statement.

I TOTALLY belive everything you said,,, P.S. i am also freeMason.... yeep i do all what was said above, sit in lodge, drink beer... watch "Rituals" whatnot,,....

I did. Go look at my response and rethink your statement.

mmm beer lol...what lodge do you belong too?


@McKenna...your turn

Oh great. Another one.

oh no were multiplying!! lol

I'm gonna burst any moment right now. I'm so angry.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.......

why? Whats your problem with the masons? Are you mad because your female and can't join?

No I don't want to join. Do you think I would want to join a secret society that is involved with cover-ups, the new world order, depopulization plans, etc. etc. etc. Your very very very wrong. The only reason why I'm mad is because you guys should know better that what your doing with the new world order and all is a very very very bad and evil thing. For heaven sakes, your adults. Grow up. Not to meantion wake up and smell the coffee. And yet you do it anyway. Some saint you are. Hardly a saint. More like a satanist.

And by the way I believe you not letting women be in your little possy is discrimination. But what would you care anyway. Sense your evil enough.

uh huh...theres a deference between knowledge and wisdom which it looks like you will never understand.

As far as what "were" doing with the NWO. Provide one peace of evidence of anything we have done.

I can't because your keeping it from people like me(the public).

what are we keeping from you? And which are you talking about knoweldge or wisdom?

ok then prove to me what you are doing with the new world order. And explain to me what knoweledge and wisdom really are.

There is no evidence between the link of the order and NWO, theories but no links.

Knowledge opens your eyes, wisdom allows you to apply it.

i've never even heard of theese people...

can somebody tell me who they are please ? help would be very nice thanks.

a lot of past U.S. presidents were members of the masons.

they had a special about them on the History Channel .. claiming to simply be a group of well educated/like minded men .. who value their privacy.. it was very sugar coated.

they're said to "run the world" according to many people .. that may be because they've been around since what seems like the beginning of documented time & men who've played important roles were rumored to be affiliated with them. i'm not too familiar with this New World Order thing but I'm sure it's got something to do with keeping the masses at bay & keeping people rich.powerful.

in my opinion they're bad ... they're too powerful/secretive to be doing anything good


but who cares the world's gonna end soon anyways
kidding.

i've heard this before ...

along with some type of symbols they'd have on their cars .. i guess to recognize each other

who knows ..

Wikipedia's a very unreliable source .. any fool can edit the articles

& with controversial subjects, such as this one, not the best place to look for valid information

I think your are confusing two groups of people, one a proven fact and not contraversial, the other pure conjecture. The masons developed from the middle ages, the supposed New World Order only relatively recently.

The masons are simply a group of like minded individuals in society, as mentioned earlier; men in positions of power across the country, like high ranking poilice officers, magistrates, surgeons, successful businessmen, politicians and the like, who basically look after each other. The group evolved from stone masons, who were prized for their skill in carving and were originally bondsmen, but when they became free to sell their trade for their own benefit, developed a network of associations across the country to circumvent control by anyone other than themselves. They use these associations to get what they want, whereas the rest of us get told what to do. The most famous mason at the moment is a British Royal.

The New World Order is a ficticious conspiracy invented by suspicious minds to explain the way some things are done around the world that they cannot explain, like UFO coverups or the AIDs epidemic; They think 'There is no reason for this that I accept, so someone must be controlling it' !!!

The masons look after themselves, and have no desire for world domination. The New World Order supposedly controls the destiny of everyone, too conspiratorial an idea to be true.

AJ

If the masons were so affable folks, then why did the vatican ban them, and threatened to excommunicate people who joined the lodges?
Pretty Tough to answer..right?
They were indeed meddling in all things...from politics to religion. And quite right, they go banned by the church!!

Not really, the Catholic Church has excommunicated many people (for various reasons) over the centuries. Martin Luther was excommunicated leading to the Protestant reformation...or are all Protestant denominations to be considered suspect organizations as well?



Yes, they were, and the Catholic Church was doing it's fair share of 'meddling' as well. Remember, separation of church and state has only been 'en vogue' for a very short time.

Why should the Catholic Church "BAN" them, unless the existence of Freemasons was detrimental to the existence of the church??

The Catholic Church demonizes anyone they consider a threat.

I'm sure that Freemasonary was seen as a threat, doesn't mean that the Freemasons were actually ever 'out to get' the Catholic Church though.

Historically the Catholic Church has booted a number of individuals and organizations see link here. Now, I suspect that some of these folks probably did 'have it in' for the Catholic Church, others probably not really. All of this can really be understood as being far more political than religious in many cases.

Source - Wikipedia.

But then again,

the most ardent followers of Freemasonry might be concentrated in a protestant Majority nation - UK.


Hmmm...these Brits!!!

Freemasonry has a seperate theological belief than christianity.
well..i dont care if the catholic church and the freemasons or the brits go at each others neck!
But i read somewhere that the oroginal freemasonry was formed as a secret organisation by Kind herod as opposition to the spread of christianity.
King herod Agrippa and the Fouding of Mysterious Force aka FreeMasonry

Everything is interesting!

Bah. Humbug! You can tell that site is loopy in the extreme. (But I can tell you the Real Secrets of the Masons for just $15.95!)

All the historical evidence points to the mid-17th Century as the time when the Lodge was founded -- of the historians who care (and there aren't many because of the Mason cranks, the anti-Mason cranks, the CT cranks and the religious cranks), the period from 1638 to 1649 seems likely, though there are some hints it could be about fifty years older. As per Francis Yates, I think it was a slow process that coalesced from several different factions.

--Jaylemurph

Well, Scoorge! Christmas is around the corner ! I will set all the ghosts of everyone's christmases on your back!

of course ! the site is loopy, loony et al. its another view point of some bible thumping manaic!
i dont believe in anything stated their nor about the freemasons!
but, when i m idle, i got to exercise my brain..by imagining things!!

free masons,are the arm of the illuminati now, but they have powers they remian in the shadows, controling goverments, ecnomic systems , banking and resources. Basically they run the show, and believe through chaos around the world they will bring a one world goverment.

It /was/ funny.

To do the same, I myself write psalms to Ceiling Cat:

Post 212 here.

--Jaylemurph