Ok people, im here to clear up and enlighten all of you to the true nature of the Free and Accepted Masons.
Below is a defination of the Free Masons, the three degrees of Masonry, a description of each, and a list of all the appendant bodies of masonry. Ill post more to come.
Definitions of Freemasonry:
-Freemasonry is fraternity of men, bound together by oaths, based on the medieval stonemason craft guilds.
-Masonic laws, rules, legends, and customs are based on the Ancient Charges, the rules of those craft guilds.
-Freemasonry teaches lessons of social and moral virtues based on symbolism of the tools and language of the ancient building trade, using the building of a structure as a symbol for the building of character in men.
-Masons are obliged to practice brotherly love, mutual assistance, equality, secrecy, and trust between eachother.
-Masons have secret methods of recognizing eachother, such as handshakes, signs, and passwords.
-Masons meet in lodges that are governed by a Master and assisted by Wardens, where partitioners who are found to be morally and mentally qualified are admitted using secret ritual ceremonies based on the legends of the ancient guilds.
-Freemasonry is not a religion, and it has no religious dogma that it forces its members to accept. Masons must simply believe in the exsistence of a Supreme Being, whatever they conceive that deity to be. Their personal beliefs are just that: personal.
-Freemasonry is not a science, but does teach its members to value learnig and ecperience. It encourages Masons to think but does not tell them what to think.
-Freemasonry teaches Masons to be tolerant of the beliefs of others and to regard each man as their, equal deserving both their respect and their assistance.
What do Masons do?
Lodges have regular meetings throughout the year. Most meet once a month for a buisness meeting, where communications are read, bills are paid, new members are voted on, and the members catch up on each others lives. Often, guests speakers are invited, or a member will give a presentation on the ritual, history, philosiphy, or symbols of Freemasonry.
Other special meetings are held to initiate new members and perform the various ceremonies to advance them to full membership. And because the primary goal of free masonry is fraternalism, a meal is usually served before or after the meeting, either in the lodge building or a nearby restaurant.
Modern Freemasonry started out by gathering in taverns over a nice dinner, and Masons have spent 300 years osessing on the importance of the culinary arts. Their feasts are called Festive Boards(from the days when board meant "table"), and a tradition of many of these gatherings is a series of ceremonial toasts.
The Three Degrees
The ceremonies a new member must go through are called degrees. There are three of them- Entered Apprentice, Fellow Craft, and Master Mason - and they are based on the levels of membership in the old medieval craft guilds. The cermonies are based upon rituals that are centuries old - rituals that were used by those guilds.
-The degrees are progressive and must take place in proper order
-Each builds on the previous one, and gthe degrees are connected by the story of the construction of Solomons Temple.
-Each candidate takes an obligation (oath) for each degree
-He promises to keep the secrets he is told, to help other Masons and their families, and to obey the rules of the fraternity.
-Depending on the lodge, advancing from one degree to the next can take days, weeks, months, or even years.
-A member must prove his profeciency in his degree before moving up
-Proving profeciency is usually accomplished by memorizing a portion of the ritual and reciting it in front of the other members. Some lodges require a research paper to be presented on a certain topic, in order to prove that the candidate has studied the fraternity.
The Appendant Bodies
The three Masonic degrees of Ancient Craft Freemasonry are fun, intrestin, and enlightening. After the formation of the Grand Lodge of England in 1717, masons couldnt resist tinkering with things, thus the appendant bodies were formed.
At first, these appendant bodies were attempts to emellish the story told by the first three degrees. They filled in more of the story of the building of Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem. Then they branched out to dramatize more lessons of morality and virtue.
These three Degrees first developed in individual lodges, and other Masons saw them or heard about them. Rules were quickly established by Grand Lodges that said a lodge could only present the first three degrees of Masonry - not any of the new ones. The result: These increasing popular new degrees were orphaned and needed to be presented by some group other than the individual neighborhood lodges. Eventually many of these widely disparate, unrelated degrees were gathered together to be presented by larger, cohesive, governing orginizations.
The basic form of Masonry is The Ancient Craft Freemasonry.(Also known as Blue Lodge or Symbolic Lodge)
-Here the 3 degrees are bestowed
1 Degree Entered Apprentice
2nd Degree Fellow Craft
3rd Degree Master Mason
Stemming off the main lodge are 4 main groups.
York Rite
-Royal Arch (chapter)
-Societas Rosicruciana in Civitatibus Foederatis
-Kinght Masons
-Allied Masonic Degrees
-Cryptic Council Royal and Select Masters
-Knights Templar (Commandery)
-Red Cross of Constantine
-Knights of the York Cross of Honor
-Holy Royal Arch Knight Templar Priests
-York Rite College
Ancient Accepted Scottish Rite
In the Scottish rite there are the 4th-33rd degrees.
-4th-32nd degrees can become the Knights of St. Andrew
-33rd Degree is Honarary
-Abover that is the 33rd Degree of the Supreme Council
Social Groups
-Mystic order of Velied Prophets of the Enchanted Realm (Grotto)
-Ancient Arabic Order Nobles of the Mystic Shrine (Shriners)
-Tall Ceders of Lebanon
-Ancient Egyptian Order of SCIOTS
-High Twelves
-National Sojourners
Women's Orders
-Order of the Eastern Star
-Order of the Amaranth
-White Shrine of Jerusalem
-Social Order of Beauceant
-Daughter of the Nile
Youth Groups
-DeMolay (Boys)
-Rainbow (Girls)
-Job's Daughters (Girls)
Ok im tired of typing lol. In the next day or so ill post a complete history of the Masons for you guys. And ill post a description of each of the Appendant Bodies.
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QUOTE(JC2 @ Dec 13 2006, 01:04 PM) [snapback]1460812[/snapback]
thats all complete crap. We do not worship any god, and were not satanists. All that is required is that you believe in a supreme being which we refer to as the architect of the universe. We are not nor ever were a religious group.
QUOTE(Crinit @ Dec 13 2006, 04:13 AM) [snapback]1460157[/snapback]
Ok people, im here to clear up and enlighten all of you to the true nature of the Free and Accepted Masons.
Below is a defination of the Free Masons, the three degrees of Masonry, a description of each, and a list of all the appendant bodies of masonry. Ill post more to come.
Definitions of Freemasonry:
-Freemasonry is fraternity of men, bound together by oaths, based on the medieval stonemason craft guilds.
-Masonic laws, rules, legends, and customs are based on the Ancient Charges, the rules of those craft guilds.
-Freemasonry teaches lessons of social and moral virtues based on symbolism of the tools and language of the ancient building trade, using the building of a structure as a symbol for the building of character in men.
-Masons are obliged to practice brotherly love, mutual assistance, equality, secrecy, and trust between eachother.
-Masons have secret methods of recognizing eachother, such as handshakes, signs, and passwords.
-Masons meet in lodges that are governed by a Master and assisted by Wardens, where partitioners who are found to be morally and mentally qualified are admitted using secret ritual ceremonies based on the legends of the ancient guilds.
-Freemasonry is not a religion, and it has no religious dogma that it forces its members to accept. Masons must simply believe in the exsistence of a Supreme Being, whatever they conceive that deity to be. Their personal beliefs are just that: personal.
-Freemasonry is not a science, but does teach its members to value learnig and ecperience. It encourages Masons to think but does not tell them what to think.
-Freemasonry teaches Masons to be tolerant of the beliefs of others and to regard each man as their, equal deserving both their respect and their assistance.
What do Masons do?
Lodges have regular meetings throughout the year. Most meet once a month for a buisness meeting, where communications are read, bills are paid, new members are voted on, and the members catch up on each others lives. Often, guests speakers are invited, or a member will give a presentation on the ritual, history, philosiphy, or symbols of Freemasonry.
Other special meetings are held to initiate new members and perform the various ceremonies to advance them to full membership. And because the primary goal of free masonry is fraternalism, a meal is usually served before or after the meeting, either in the lodge building or a nearby restaurant.
Modern Freemasonry started out by gathering in taverns over a nice dinner, and Masons have spent 300 years osessing on the importance of the culinary arts. Their feasts are called Festive Boards(from the days when board meant "table"), and a tradition of many of these gatherings is a series of ceremonial toasts.
The Three Degrees
The ceremonies a new member must go through are called degrees. There are three of them- Entered Apprentice, Fellow Craft, and Master Mason - and they are based on the levels of membership in the old medieval craft guilds. The cermonies are based upon rituals that are centuries old - rituals that were used by those guilds.
-The degrees are progressive and must take place in proper order
-Each builds on the previous one, and gthe degrees are connected by the story of the construction of Solomons Temple.
-Each candidate takes an obligation (oath) for each degree
-He promises to keep the secrets he is told, to help other Masons and their families, and to obey the rules of the fraternity.
-Depending on the lodge, advancing from one degree to the next can take days, weeks, months, or even years.
-A member must prove his profeciency in his degree before moving up
-Proving profeciency is usually accomplished by memorizing a portion of the ritual and reciting it in front of the other members. Some lodges require a research paper to be presented on a certain topic, in order to prove that the candidate has studied the fraternity.
The Appendant Bodies
The three Masonic degrees of Ancient Craft Freemasonry are fun, intrestin, and enlightening. After the formation of the Grand Lodge of England in 1717, masons couldnt resist tinkering with things, thus the appendant bodies were formed.
At first, these appendant bodies were attempts to emellish the story told by the first three degrees. They filled in more of the story of the building of Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem. Then they branched out to dramatize more lessons of morality and virtue.
These three Degrees first developed in individual lodges, and other Masons saw them or heard about them. Rules were quickly established by Grand Lodges that said a lodge could only present the first three degrees of Masonry - not any of the new ones. The result: These increasing popular new degrees were orphaned and needed to be presented by some group other than the individual neighborhood lodges. Eventually many of these widely disparate, unrelated degrees were gathered together to be presented by larger, cohesive, governing orginizations.
The basic form of Masonry is The Ancient Craft Freemasonry.(Also known as Blue Lodge or Symbolic Lodge)
-Here the 3 degrees are bestowed
1 Degree Entered Apprentice
2nd Degree Fellow Craft
3rd Degree Master Mason
Stemming off the main lodge are 4 main groups.
York Rite
-Royal Arch (chapter)
-Societas Rosicruciana in Civitatibus Foederatis
-Kinght Masons
-Allied Masonic Degrees
-Cryptic Council Royal and Select Masters
-Knights Templar (Commandery)
-Red Cross of Constantine
-Knights of the York Cross of Honor
-Holy Royal Arch Knight Templar Priests
-York Rite College
Ancient Accepted Scottish Rite
In the Scottish rite there are the 4th-33rd degrees.
-4th-32nd degrees can become the Knights of St. Andrew
-33rd Degree is Honarary
-Abover that is the 33rd Degree of the Supreme Council
Social Groups
-Mystic order of Velied Prophets of the Enchanted Realm (Grotto)
-Ancient Arabic Order Nobles of the Mystic Shrine (Shriners)
-Tall Ceders of Lebanon
-Ancient Egyptian Order of SCIOTS
-High Twelves
-National Sojourners
Women's Orders
-Order of the Eastern Star
-Order of the Amaranth
-White Shrine of Jerusalem
-Social Order of Beauceant
-Daughter of the Nile
Youth Groups
-DeMolay (Boys)
-Rainbow (Girls)
-Job's Daughters (Girls)
Ok im tired of typing lol. In the next day or so ill post a complete history of the Masons for you guys. And ill post a description of each of the Appendant Bodies.
Below is a defination of the Free Masons, the three degrees of Masonry, a description of each, and a list of all the appendant bodies of masonry. Ill post more to come.
Definitions of Freemasonry:
-Freemasonry is fraternity of men, bound together by oaths, based on the medieval stonemason craft guilds.
-Masonic laws, rules, legends, and customs are based on the Ancient Charges, the rules of those craft guilds.
-Freemasonry teaches lessons of social and moral virtues based on symbolism of the tools and language of the ancient building trade, using the building of a structure as a symbol for the building of character in men.
-Masons are obliged to practice brotherly love, mutual assistance, equality, secrecy, and trust between eachother.
-Masons have secret methods of recognizing eachother, such as handshakes, signs, and passwords.
-Masons meet in lodges that are governed by a Master and assisted by Wardens, where partitioners who are found to be morally and mentally qualified are admitted using secret ritual ceremonies based on the legends of the ancient guilds.
-Freemasonry is not a religion, and it has no religious dogma that it forces its members to accept. Masons must simply believe in the exsistence of a Supreme Being, whatever they conceive that deity to be. Their personal beliefs are just that: personal.
-Freemasonry is not a science, but does teach its members to value learnig and ecperience. It encourages Masons to think but does not tell them what to think.
-Freemasonry teaches Masons to be tolerant of the beliefs of others and to regard each man as their, equal deserving both their respect and their assistance.
What do Masons do?
Lodges have regular meetings throughout the year. Most meet once a month for a buisness meeting, where communications are read, bills are paid, new members are voted on, and the members catch up on each others lives. Often, guests speakers are invited, or a member will give a presentation on the ritual, history, philosiphy, or symbols of Freemasonry.
Other special meetings are held to initiate new members and perform the various ceremonies to advance them to full membership. And because the primary goal of free masonry is fraternalism, a meal is usually served before or after the meeting, either in the lodge building or a nearby restaurant.
Modern Freemasonry started out by gathering in taverns over a nice dinner, and Masons have spent 300 years osessing on the importance of the culinary arts. Their feasts are called Festive Boards(from the days when board meant "table"), and a tradition of many of these gatherings is a series of ceremonial toasts.
The Three Degrees
The ceremonies a new member must go through are called degrees. There are three of them- Entered Apprentice, Fellow Craft, and Master Mason - and they are based on the levels of membership in the old medieval craft guilds. The cermonies are based upon rituals that are centuries old - rituals that were used by those guilds.
-The degrees are progressive and must take place in proper order
-Each builds on the previous one, and gthe degrees are connected by the story of the construction of Solomons Temple.
-Each candidate takes an obligation (oath) for each degree
-He promises to keep the secrets he is told, to help other Masons and their families, and to obey the rules of the fraternity.
-Depending on the lodge, advancing from one degree to the next can take days, weeks, months, or even years.
-A member must prove his profeciency in his degree before moving up
-Proving profeciency is usually accomplished by memorizing a portion of the ritual and reciting it in front of the other members. Some lodges require a research paper to be presented on a certain topic, in order to prove that the candidate has studied the fraternity.
The Appendant Bodies
The three Masonic degrees of Ancient Craft Freemasonry are fun, intrestin, and enlightening. After the formation of the Grand Lodge of England in 1717, masons couldnt resist tinkering with things, thus the appendant bodies were formed.
At first, these appendant bodies were attempts to emellish the story told by the first three degrees. They filled in more of the story of the building of Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem. Then they branched out to dramatize more lessons of morality and virtue.
These three Degrees first developed in individual lodges, and other Masons saw them or heard about them. Rules were quickly established by Grand Lodges that said a lodge could only present the first three degrees of Masonry - not any of the new ones. The result: These increasing popular new degrees were orphaned and needed to be presented by some group other than the individual neighborhood lodges. Eventually many of these widely disparate, unrelated degrees were gathered together to be presented by larger, cohesive, governing orginizations.
The basic form of Masonry is The Ancient Craft Freemasonry.(Also known as Blue Lodge or Symbolic Lodge)
-Here the 3 degrees are bestowed
1 Degree Entered Apprentice
2nd Degree Fellow Craft
3rd Degree Master Mason
Stemming off the main lodge are 4 main groups.
York Rite
-Royal Arch (chapter)
-Societas Rosicruciana in Civitatibus Foederatis
-Kinght Masons
-Allied Masonic Degrees
-Cryptic Council Royal and Select Masters
-Knights Templar (Commandery)
-Red Cross of Constantine
-Knights of the York Cross of Honor
-Holy Royal Arch Knight Templar Priests
-York Rite College
Ancient Accepted Scottish Rite
In the Scottish rite there are the 4th-33rd degrees.
-4th-32nd degrees can become the Knights of St. Andrew
-33rd Degree is Honarary
-Abover that is the 33rd Degree of the Supreme Council
Social Groups
-Mystic order of Velied Prophets of the Enchanted Realm (Grotto)
-Ancient Arabic Order Nobles of the Mystic Shrine (Shriners)
-Tall Ceders of Lebanon
-Ancient Egyptian Order of SCIOTS
-High Twelves
-National Sojourners
Women's Orders
-Order of the Eastern Star
-Order of the Amaranth
-White Shrine of Jerusalem
-Social Order of Beauceant
-Daughter of the Nile
Youth Groups
-DeMolay (Boys)
-Rainbow (Girls)
-Job's Daughters (Girls)
Ok im tired of typing lol. In the next day or so ill post a complete history of the Masons for you guys. And ill post a description of each of the Appendant Bodies.
The Masons were excommunicated from the Catholic 500 years ago and still are. They were the only ones who knew how
to build cathredral domes and wanted great power in the church for their service. They were tossed out and the church still had domes built. Never piss off a pope.
QUOTE(les b @ Dec 13 2006, 01:38 PM) [snapback]1460858[/snapback]
The Masons were excommunicated from the Catholic 500 years ago and still are. They were the only ones who knew how
to build cathredral domes and wanted great power in the church for their service. They were tossed out and the church still had domes built. Never piss off a pope.
to build cathredral domes and wanted great power in the church for their service. They were tossed out and the church still had domes built. Never piss off a pope.
ill post a complete hisotry of the Freemasons tonight.
QUOTE(Crinit @ Dec 13 2006, 10:30 AM) [snapback]1460844[/snapback]
thats all complete crap. We do not worship any god, and were not satanists. All that is required is that you believe in a supreme being which we refer to as the architect of the universe. We are not nor ever were a religious group.
Ok well if that's crap. Then prove it. Not just by your own testimony. But perhaps a website. If you can't prove that the freemasons are good. Then their probably bad. Sorry but that probably is the truth. And besides they keep an oath to keep secrets from people. Now to me that's very very very evil.
QUOTE(Crinit @ Dec 13 2006, 06:30 PM) [snapback]1460844[/snapback]
thats all complete crap. We do not worship any god, and were not satanists. All that is required is that you believe in a supreme being which we refer to as the architect of the universe. We are not nor ever were a religious group.
Wow, do you read fast, took me a good hour and half to digest it, or maybe you are just one of the lesser of the order…..???
The reason I posted it was to offer people another point of view upon the order of which you proclaim are the bastions of social decadence…..
So what are your thoughts on Crowley and the likes of him and his followers……..???
http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/...n_sacrifice.htm
Yet another denial in the making……..???
Ciao…..
QUOTE(les b @ Dec 13 2006, 10:38 AM) [snapback]1460858[/snapback]
The Masons were excommunicated from the Catholic 500 years ago and still are. They were the only ones who knew how
to build cathredral domes and wanted great power in the church for their service. They were tossed out and the church still had domes built. Never piss off a pope.
to build cathredral domes and wanted great power in the church for their service. They were tossed out and the church still had domes built. Never piss off a pope.
Never piss off a pope.
QUOTE(McKenna @ Dec 13 2006, 01:43 PM) [snapback]1460867[/snapback]
Ok well if that's crap. Then prove it. Not just by your own testimony. But perhaps a website. If you can't prove that the freemasons are good. Then their probably bad. Sorry but that probably is the truth. And besides they keep an oath to keep secrets from people. Now to me that's very very very evil.
"If you can't prove that the freemasons are good then their probably bad"
My intention was never to prove if they were "good or bad" (which initself is pointless because good is a point of view, one mans terrorist is another freedom fighter) I am simply writing these guides so that people with no knowledge of Freemasonry can understand us a little better.
And how is taking an oath to keep a secret very very evil? Lets say that your a a man protecting a family of jews during the holocust. And you swear to them that you will never tell a german where they are hiding. I guess your "very very evil" now arent you?
Oh and as far as the web site. How would showing you a website make any difference? Anyone can make and publish a site. here let me make on real quick and just copy and paste what i said here to it...see its pointless.
What im writing here comes from my own experiences in the lodge.
PS: Go read Freemasons for dummies, it actually has some very truthful things in it and was written by a mason.
QUOTE(JC2)
Wow, do you read fast, took me a good hour and half to digest it, or maybe you are just one of the lesser of the order…..???
The reason I posted it was to offer people another point of view upon the order of which you proclaim are the bastions of social decadence…..
So what are your thoughts on Crowley and the likes of him and his followers……..???
http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/...n_sacrifice.htm
Yet another denial in the making……..???
Ciao…..
The reason I posted it was to offer people another point of view upon the order of which you proclaim are the bastions of social decadence…..
So what are your thoughts on Crowley and the likes of him and his followers……..???
http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/...n_sacrifice.htm
Yet another denial in the making……..???
Ciao…..
hehe some one has shown me the article before so I didnt have to read it again
I gotta go christmas shopping so ill read the other article you linked with a response later on.
QUOTE(Crinit @ Dec 13 2006, 06:30 PM) [snapback]1460844[/snapback]
thats all complete crap. We do not worship any god, and were not satanists. All that is required is that you believe in a supreme being which we refer to as the architect of the universe. We are not nor ever were a religious group.
So what the hell is the ‘supreme being’ then…….?????? to whom you believe and give yourself too……????
Is this not worship or is it just another twist in the order of things……?????
Be wary of naivety here, it is an ancient order built upon foundations that I have probably more knowledge of than your Hierarchy! So take each step in this with the due diligence and inner wisdom on which your foundations now stand…….
Let me remind you of the Karma that is at work here…..
Ciao……
QUOTE(JC2 @ Dec 13 2006, 02:01 PM) [snapback]1460899[/snapback]
So what the hell is the ‘supreme being’ then…….?????? to whom you believe and give yourself too……????
Is this not worship or is it just another twist in the order of things……?????
Be wary of naivety here, it is an ancient order built upon foundations that I have probably more knowledge of than your Hierarchy! So take each step in this with the due diligence and inner wisdom on which your foundations now stand…….
Let me remind you of the Karma that is at work here…..
Ciao……
Is this not worship or is it just another twist in the order of things……?????
Be wary of naivety here, it is an ancient order built upon foundations that I have probably more knowledge of than your Hierarchy! So take each step in this with the due diligence and inner wisdom on which your foundations now stand…….
Let me remind you of the Karma that is at work here…..
Ciao……
....Right....
Well, im a methodist...and I belong to the Knights Templar Commradery Red Cross of Constantine and inorder to be among out ranks you have to be a christian.
And the major point of our philosophies is that in the lodge no man is to speak or discuss of Religion/Philosophy/Politics. In the lodge every man is equal, whether he be king or peasent.
As far as what the "Supreme Being" is? It can be whatever god you wish be it , christ, god, muhamma whatever. What I am saying is you cannot be an aethist and join because you do not believe in a supreme being.
"If you can't prove that the freemasons are good then their probably bad"
My intention was never to prove if they were "good or bad" (which initself is pointless because good is a point of view, one mans terrorist is another freedom fighter) I am simply writing these guides so that people with no knowledge of Freemasonry can understand us a little better.
And how is taking an oath to keep a secret very very evil? Lets say that your a a man protecting a family of jews during the holocust. And you swear to them that you will never tell a german where they are hiding. I guess your "very very evil" now arent you?
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Well in that case if you put it that way no. It's not evil. But I wasn't refering to that. I was refering to keeping the truth about aliens/ufos a secret. And above other things as well. Now that one right there is very very very evil to me.
Oh and as far as the web site. How would showing you a website make any difference? Anyone can make and publish a site. here let me make on real quick and just copy and paste what i said here to it...see its pointless.
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Whatever. Fine have it your way. I don't care.
What im writing here comes from my own experiences in the lodge.
PS: Go read Freemasons for dummies, it actually has some very truthful things in it and was written by a mason.
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Are you saying that I'm dumb.
My intention was never to prove if they were "good or bad" (which initself is pointless because good is a point of view, one mans terrorist is another freedom fighter) I am simply writing these guides so that people with no knowledge of Freemasonry can understand us a little better.
And how is taking an oath to keep a secret very very evil? Lets say that your a a man protecting a family of jews during the holocust. And you swear to them that you will never tell a german where they are hiding. I guess your "very very evil" now arent you?
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Well in that case if you put it that way no. It's not evil. But I wasn't refering to that. I was refering to keeping the truth about aliens/ufos a secret. And above other things as well. Now that one right there is very very very evil to me.
Oh and as far as the web site. How would showing you a website make any difference? Anyone can make and publish a site. here let me make on real quick and just copy and paste what i said here to it...see its pointless.
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Whatever. Fine have it your way. I don't care.
What im writing here comes from my own experiences in the lodge.
PS: Go read Freemasons for dummies, it actually has some very truthful things in it and was written by a mason.
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Are you saying that I'm dumb.
QUOTE(McKenna @ Dec 13 2006, 02:11 PM) [snapback]1460915[/snapback]
"If you can't prove that the freemasons are good then their probably bad"
My intention was never to prove if they were "good or bad" (which initself is pointless because good is a point of view, one mans terrorist is another freedom fighter) I am simply writing these guides so that people with no knowledge of Freemasonry can understand us a little better.
And how is taking an oath to keep a secret very very evil? Lets say that your a a man protecting a family of jews during the holocust. And you swear to them that you will never tell a german where they are hiding. I guess your "very very evil" now arent you?
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Well in that case if you put it that way no. It's not evil. But I wasn't refering to that. I was refering to keeping the truth about aliens/ufos a secret. And above other things as well. Now that one right there is very very very evil to me.
Oh and as far as the web site. How would showing you a website make any difference? Anyone can make and publish a site. here let me make on real quick and just copy and paste what i said here to it...see its pointless.
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Whatever. Fine have it your way. I don't care.
What im writing here comes from my own experiences in the lodge.
PS: Go read Freemasons for dummies, it actually has some very truthful things in it and was written by a mason.
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Are you saying that I'm dumb.
My intention was never to prove if they were "good or bad" (which initself is pointless because good is a point of view, one mans terrorist is another freedom fighter) I am simply writing these guides so that people with no knowledge of Freemasonry can understand us a little better.
And how is taking an oath to keep a secret very very evil? Lets say that your a a man protecting a family of jews during the holocust. And you swear to them that you will never tell a german where they are hiding. I guess your "very very evil" now arent you?
---------------
Well in that case if you put it that way no. It's not evil. But I wasn't refering to that. I was refering to keeping the truth about aliens/ufos a secret. And above other things as well. Now that one right there is very very very evil to me.
Oh and as far as the web site. How would showing you a website make any difference? Anyone can make and publish a site. here let me make on real quick and just copy and paste what i said here to it...see its pointless.
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Whatever. Fine have it your way. I don't care.
What im writing here comes from my own experiences in the lodge.
PS: Go read Freemasons for dummies, it actually has some very truthful things in it and was written by a mason.
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Are you saying that I'm dumb.
lol no im not saying your dumb, didnt mean to come off that way..actually I read Freemasons for Dummies before I joined the Masons because it has very insightful reading as to what was instore for me when and after i Joined.
And the lodge has nothing to do with aliens/ufo's....now if your refering to the NWO or whatever then yes the masons have much to do with that simply because a majority of the worlds leaders are masons.
QUOTE(JC2 @ Dec 13 2006, 01:44 PM) [snapback]1460869[/snapback]
Wow, do you read fast, took me a good hour and half to digest it, or maybe you are just one of the lesser of the order…..???
The reason I posted it was to offer people another point of view upon the order of which you proclaim are the bastions of social decadence…..
So what are your thoughts on Crowley and the likes of him and his followers……..???
http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/...n_sacrifice.htm
Yet another denial in the making……..???
Ciao…..
The reason I posted it was to offer people another point of view upon the order of which you proclaim are the bastions of social decadence…..
So what are your thoughts on Crowley and the likes of him and his followers……..???
http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/...n_sacrifice.htm
Yet another denial in the making……..???
Ciao…..
Ok since I got time now. Yeah he may have been a mason..there are rumors that Jack the Ripper was a freemason too. What does one man have to do with all of masonry anyway? Thats like saying since Hitler wanted to kill all the jews then so did every other german. (sorry for all the nazi reflections)
One of the rules in the lodge is that no one man is the spokes person for masonry.
QUOTE(Crinit @ Dec 13 2006, 11:14 AM) [snapback]1460918[/snapback]
And the lodge has nothing to do with aliens/ufo's....now if your refering to the NWO or whatever then yes the masons have much to do with that simply because a majority of the worlds leaders are masons.
Ok now I really think the freemasons are evil. How could you people be so bad and evil. Don't you care about the world and the people in it. Guess not.
QUOTE(McKenna @ Dec 13 2006, 02:20 PM) [snapback]1460937[/snapback]
Ok now I really think the freemasons are evil. How could you people be so bad and evil. Don't you care about the world and the people in it. Guess not.
...what basis do you say that the word would be a better place without us?
QUOTE(Crinit @ Dec 13 2006, 11:22 AM) [snapback]1460943[/snapback]
...what basis do you say that the word would be a better place without us?
Easy were talking about the New World Order. THe veri-chip,depopulization plans, etc. etc. etc. And sense your involved in that. Then that's why I think the world would be a better place without you. More specificly any secret society for that matter.
QUOTE(McKenna @ Dec 13 2006, 02:27 PM) [snapback]1460956[/snapback]
Easy were talking about the New World Order. THe veri-chip,depopulization plans, etc. etc. etc. And sense your involved in that. Then that's why I think the world would be a better place without you. More specificly any secret society for that matter.
uh-huh...what evidence is there that ties any masons into the veri-chip, depopulization plans, or anything like that?
QUOTE(Crinit @ Dec 13 2006, 11:31 AM) [snapback]1460961[/snapback]
uh-huh...what evidence is there that ties any masons into the veri-chip, depopulization plans, or anything like that?
Your apart of the secret government. That's why. That should be a no brainer.
QUOTE(McKenna @ Dec 13 2006, 02:38 PM) [snapback]1460974[/snapback]
Your apart of the secret government. That's why. That should be a no brainer.
A part of what goverment? The US? I don't see any depopulization plans in the US. I see no mass executions. So again I ask you..we are part of wehat goverment that is doing these things?
Oh just saw the "secret" goverment. ...a secret goverment...wow paranoid?
the secret government. And I won't say it again. Your a secret society and to me thats being apart of the secret government. So there.
QUOTE(Crinit @ Dec 13 2006, 11:40 AM) [snapback]1460979[/snapback]
A part of what goverment? The US? I don't see any depopulization plans in the US. I see no mass executions. So again I ask you..we are part of wehat goverment that is doing these things?
Oh just saw the "secret" goverment. ...a secret goverment...wow paranoid?
Oh just saw the "secret" goverment. ...a secret goverment...wow paranoid?
I'm not paranoid. And you want to know something my mother. my very own mother tells me that I sound paranoid whenever I talk to her about this kind of stuff. About my beliefs that just happen to not fit hers. And you don't know how much that really hurts. I try to be honest and tell how I feel about stuff and all that people say is you sound paranoid or your paranoid or don't be so paranoid. I guess nobody cares about how much when they tell people that kind of stuff. How much their hurting the person whom their saying that kind of stuff to. If only they could put themselves in that persons shoes and tell another person what their beliefs are. And listen to what their saying you know that you sound paranoid etc. etc. etc. Only because you don't believe in what they believe and think your beliefs are the only belief and that everybody should believe what you believe. If only they could do that. Then they would understand how I feel.
QUOTE(McKenna @ Dec 13 2006, 02:42 PM) [snapback]1460985[/snapback]
the secret government. And I won't say it again. Your a secret society and to me thats being apart of the secret government. So there.
That argument is flawed on so many levels. So if you a secret society then your a part of the secret goverment? Ok so if I go out with 2 of my friend and starts a "secret society" that goes out cow tipping at night then we are part of the secret goverment?
QUOTE(McKenna @ Dec 13 2006, 02:43 PM) [snapback]1460988[/snapback]
I'm not paranoid. And you want to know something my mother. my very own mother tells me that I sound paranoid whenever I talk to her about this kind of stuff. About my beliefs that just happen to not fit hers. And you don't know how much that really hurts. I try to be honest and tell how I feel about stuff and all that people say is you sound paranoid or your paranoid or don't be so paranoid. I guess nobody cares about how much when they tell people that kind of stuff. How much their hurting the person whom their saying that kind of stuff to.
In popular culture, the term paranoia is usually used to describe excessive concern about one's own well-being, sometimes suggesting a person holds persecutory beliefs concerning a threat to themselves or their property and is often linked to a belief in conspiracy theories.
-Websters Dictionary
Actually by defenition you are paranoid.
QUOTE(Crinit @ Dec 13 2006, 07:06 PM) [snapback]1460904[/snapback]
....Right....
Well, im a methodist...and I belong to the Knights Templar Commradery Red Cross of Constantine and inorder to be among out ranks you have to be a christian.
And the major point of our philosophies is that in the lodge no man is to speak or discuss of Religion/Philosophy/Politics. In the lodge every man is equal, whether he be king or peasent.
As far as what the "Supreme Being" is? It can be whatever god you wish be it , christ, god, muhamma whatever. What I am saying is you cannot be an aethist and join because you do not believe in a supreme being.
Well, im a methodist...and I belong to the Knights Templar Commradery Red Cross of Constantine and inorder to be among out ranks you have to be a christian.
And the major point of our philosophies is that in the lodge no man is to speak or discuss of Religion/Philosophy/Politics. In the lodge every man is equal, whether he be king or peasent.
As far as what the "Supreme Being" is? It can be whatever god you wish be it , christ, god, muhamma whatever. What I am saying is you cannot be an aethist and join because you do not believe in a supreme being.
Told you not to be naïve, I subscribe to no man, religion yet believe in a divine order to our existence…..
The order of templars is exemplary, you say no one man can speak for the whole then why are speaking as one for those who which you have sworn this oath…..?
As a master then you have achieved the philosophical state of ‘self’ and there in, you now have achieved presence of mind, then be mindful of the current state of affairs and speak with wisdom as your order would advise you……
Let the minds of those who question find their own volition.
There are good and bad in every social construct and your society depends upon it even promotes it….
Y question is, how did you go to the order…… did you receive a calling…..??
Hope the shopping went to plan……
Ciao…..
QUOTE(JC2 @ Dec 13 2006, 02:51 PM) [snapback]1461008[/snapback]
Told you not to be naïve, I subscribe to no man, religion yet believe in a divine order to our existence…..
The order of templars is exemplary, you say no one man can speak for the whole then why are speaking as one for those who which you have sworn this oath…..?
As a master then you have achieved the philosophical state of ‘self’ and there in, you now have achieved presence of mind, then be mindful of the current state of affairs and speak with wisdom as your order would advise you……
Let the minds of those who question find their own volition.
There are good and bad in every social construct and your society depends upon it even promotes it….
Y question is, how did you go to the order…… did you receive a calling…..??
Hope the shopping went to plan……
Ciao…..
The order of templars is exemplary, you say no one man can speak for the whole then why are speaking as one for those who which you have sworn this oath…..?
As a master then you have achieved the philosophical state of ‘self’ and there in, you now have achieved presence of mind, then be mindful of the current state of affairs and speak with wisdom as your order would advise you……
Let the minds of those who question find their own volition.
There are good and bad in every social construct and your society depends upon it even promotes it….
Y question is, how did you go to the order…… did you receive a calling…..??
Hope the shopping went to plan……
Ciao…..
Hey, as I stated before I am only speaking of my experiences in the lodge and didn't mean to come across as if i was speaking for anyother mason.
As far as "how did you go to the order" are you refering to the templars or the masons?
PS: still havent gone shopping..arrgh got caugght up with the forums
QUOTE(Crinit @ Dec 13 2006, 11:49 AM) [snapback]1461003[/snapback]
In popular culture, the term paranoia is usually used to describe excessive concern about one's own well-being, sometimes suggesting a person holds persecutory beliefs concerning a threat to themselves or their property and is often linked to a belief in conspiracy theories.
-Websters Dictionary
Actually by defenition you are paranoid.
-Websters Dictionary
Actually by defenition you are paranoid.
No I'm not paranoid.
QUOTE(Crinit @ Dec 13 2006, 11:49 AM) [snapback]1461003[/snapback]
In popular culture, the term paranoia is usually used to describe excessive concern about one's own well-being, sometimes suggesting a person holds persecutory beliefs concerning a threat to themselves or their property and is often linked to a belief in conspiracy theories.
-Websters Dictionary
Actually by defenition you are paranoid.
-Websters Dictionary
Actually by defenition you are paranoid.
No I'm not paranoid.
QUOTE(Crinit @ Dec 13 2006, 11:49 AM) [snapback]1461003[/snapback]
In popular culture, the term paranoia is usually used to describe excessive concern about one's own well-being, sometimes suggesting a person holds persecutory beliefs concerning a threat to themselves or their property and is often linked to a belief in conspiracy theories.
-Websters Dictionary
Actually by defenition you are paranoid.
-Websters Dictionary
Actually by defenition you are paranoid.
No I'm not paranoid.
QUOTE(McKenna @ Dec 13 2006, 03:00 PM) [snapback]1461027[/snapback]
No I'm not paranoid.
im not gunna argue with you about it
QUOTE(Crinit @ Dec 13 2006, 07:55 PM) [snapback]1461016[/snapback]
Hey, as I stated before I am only speaking of my experiences in the lodge and didn't mean to come across as if i was speaking for anyother mason.
As far as "how did you go to the order" are you refering to the templars or the masons?
PS: still havent gone shopping..arrgh got caugght up with the forums
As far as "how did you go to the order" are you refering to the templars or the masons?
PS: still havent gone shopping..arrgh got caugght up with the forums
Get yourself off and go do your shopping, presents don’t guy themselves, unless your misses has your credit card….lol
As to the question, one leads to the other so step by step, the first being the mason’s and then why your choice for Constantine…..
No rush, I’m off but will check in later….
Ciao…..
QUOTE(JC2 @ Dec 13 2006, 03:03 PM) [snapback]1461031[/snapback]
Get yourself off and go do your shopping, presents don’t guy themselves, unless your misses has your credit card….lol
As to the question, one leads to the other so step by step, the first being the mason’s and then why your choice for Constantine…..
No rush, I’m off but will check in later….
Ciao…..
As to the question, one leads to the other so step by step, the first being the mason’s and then why your choice for Constantine…..
No rush, I’m off but will check in later….
Ciao…..
lol ya Im going to after this post.
I joined the mason's because of my grand father. He was a 33 degree mason of the supreme council. He was also a past master, but he dies when my father was 10 years old. At the time my grandfather had encouraged my dad to be in the DeMolay, but after his death my father quit because he was young didn't know much about it. His mother (my grandma) didn't push him to be in it so he had no real intrest.
When I grew older at around 18 I started to do some research (I had no idea any of my family had ever been a mason) and found my grandfather on the website of his old lodge. I asked my dad about it and he told me how my grandfather was a past master of 33 degree of the supreme council in coco beach, florida. Of all his accomplishments and distinctions in the order. He also shows me a book which is kept in our family as a family heirloom which tells the history of how our family intertwines with masons, back a long way in history. Our family brought over the masonic books from england and founded the lodge both in Savanah, GA and Coco Beach, Florida.
At that point I became very intrested and my dad gave me his old DeMolay book and what was left of my grandad's ancient book collection. Some of the Mason books were from the lodge's library and were coded. Lucky enough among my grandad's old thing I found the code book and was able to decipher the coded books. This was my first encounter with the teachings of masonry. I read all I could and leanred as much as I could.
When I turned 18 I joined my local lodge and when hearing about my lineage and how much I already knew of the order I was welcomed in with open arms. And quickly ascended to the rank of Master Mason.
After attaining the rank of Master Mason I started to look into the appended bodies of freemasonry, and I had always had an intrest in the Knights Templar so I joined the Order of the York Rite, and continued my studies.
One day I was approached by a friend who was also of the York Rites and he told me about the Order of the Red Cross of Constantine and offered to bring me to a meeting. When I showed up I was offered an appointment as knight among them in recognition of my service to the order. I was then knighted and here I am.
The order of the Red Cross of Constantine is the order which contains many senators and president through out history. Bush is a member of it so..maybe one day ill get to meet the president
lolAnyway, thats my story and why I joined.
Did you watch National Treasure?
QUOTE(Ryo Ohki @ Dec 13 2006, 03:31 PM) [snapback]1461073[/snapback]
Did you watch National Treasure?
lol yeah ive seen it.
QUOTE(Crinit @ Dec 13 2006, 08:16 PM) [snapback]1461052[/snapback]
Anyway, thats my story and why I joined.
Now that’s a nice story…..
Might just be me but hmmmm…….
Something just tells me, oh well…..
Hope your shopping trip went well…..
Please continue with your educational programme….
Ciao….
QUOTE(JC2 @ Dec 13 2006, 06:22 PM) [snapback]1461315[/snapback]
Now that’s a nice story…..
Might just be me but hmmmm…….
Something just tells me, oh well…..
Hope your shopping trip went well…..
Please continue with your educational programme….
Ciao….
Might just be me but hmmmm…….
Something just tells me, oh well…..
Hope your shopping trip went well…..
Please continue with your educational programme….
Ciao….
Might just be you but what?
Crinit, you might want to do some research before you speak about the who's, what's and wherefore's of the Blue Lodge. There are a large number of rather critical errors in your information - not the least of which is your comment , "now if your refering to the NWO or whatever then yes the masons have much to do with that simply because a majority of the worlds leaders are masons."
First off, you are off by a scale of better than 98%, and the one's that are aren't recognized as being regular by your own jurisdiction... If they aren't regular, they can't be "Masons"... so your point is incorrect in toto. Secondly, an unbelievably inflammatory comment like that does the organization a HUGE disservice. Third, your argument was flawed when you broke Godwin's Law on page one. Fourth, many if not most of your "appendant" bodies are factually incorrect
I sent you a PM with some questions, as I doubt your claim that you are actually a Freemason.
First off, you are off by a scale of better than 98%, and the one's that are aren't recognized as being regular by your own jurisdiction... If they aren't regular, they can't be "Masons"... so your point is incorrect in toto. Secondly, an unbelievably inflammatory comment like that does the organization a HUGE disservice. Third, your argument was flawed when you broke Godwin's Law on page one. Fourth, many if not most of your "appendant" bodies are factually incorrect
I sent you a PM with some questions, as I doubt your claim that you are actually a Freemason.
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