Wake up people!!! Stop praying to jesus , a mortal man . You do not have to pray trough anyone to talk to GOD. The church is deceiving you. I went to a baptist church when I was younger, I never felt comfortable with it and knew even as a child it was wrong to pray to jesus. I am in the process of converting . I will not follow the corrupt liers agenda.

"He is Allah, and there is no God beside Him, the Knower of the unseen and the seen. He is Gracious, the Merciful.He is Allah, and there is no God beside Him, the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Source of Peace, the Bestower of Security, the Protector, the Mighty, the Subduer, the Exalted. Holy is Allah far above that which they associate with Him.He is Allah, the Creator, the Maker, the Fashioner. His are the most Beautiful Names. All that is in the heavens and the earth glorifies Him, and He is the Mighty the Wise.(59: 23-25)


[post="http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?act=post&do=new_post&f=95"]The nine lies of todays church[/post]

Lets take a look at the two founders of Islam and Christianity.
SOME OF THEIR LAST WORDS

I have a morbid fascination with the last words spoken before the last breath. Often it is a summation of the person’s character and a reflection of their life’s work. Here is an interesting comparison of two of the most influential characters in history.


JESUS: "Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." Luke 23:34. (said while dying on the cross at Calvary after being betrayed and sentenced to die for no legitimate reason).


MUHAMMAD: "May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of the prophets." Bukhari, Vol. 1, #427 [Muhammad had been poisoned years earlier by a Jewish woman whose husband was killed by the Muslims and the poison had slowly worked its effect. He said this while dying in the arms of his wife Aisha].


COMMENT
As I've studied both of these men's lives, I find that the above comparison details some of the strongest character differences. Here are their dying words, words that will mark the end of their lives. Christ asks God to forgive His enemies, while Muhammad utters a bitter curse against those who rejected his assertion of prophethood. Wouldn't it have been more appropriate for Muhammad to ask Allah to guide the Christians and Jews while he was dying?

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Oh and since you are a woman, lets compare there thoughts on women.

WOMEN & MARRIAGE


JESUS: was not married. He healed women, forgave women, and encouraged women. The New Testament teaches that husbands should love their wives and not be harsh with them: Col. 3:19, Eph. 5:25, that men and women are equal in Christ - Gal 3:28, that they should be treated with respect - 1 Pet 3:7.


MUHAMMAD: commanded his male followers to beat their disobedient wives. He gave men the right to beat their wives who persistently disobeyed them.

Sura 4:34 "As those you fear may be rebellious admonish, banish them to their couches, and beat them."

The above verse was revealed in connection with a woman who complained to Muhammad that her husband slapped her on the face, which was still marked by the slap. At first Muhammad said to her "Get even with him", but then added 'Wait until I think about it". Later on the above verse was revealed, and Muhammad added, 'We (He and the woman) wanted one thing, Allah wanted another.


The Hadith also said much about women:


Muhammad said that women are generally so evil, that they will make up the majority of people in to hell. Continuing with Bukhari,

Vol. 1, #301: "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women). They [women] asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands."


Bukhari Vol. 1, #28: "The Prophet said, "I was shown the Hell-fire and the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful." It was asked, "Do they disbelieve in Allah?" (or are they ungrateful to Allah?), he replied, "They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors and the good done to them...."


Sahih Muslim says they are the minority in Paradise:

Volume 4, #6600: "Imran Husain reported that Allah's messenger said: Amongst the inmates of Paradise the women would form a minority."


By putting these two Hadith together, we find that Muhammad said that women were the minority in Paradise, and the majority in hell. Therefore it is not a statistical ratio due to the possibility that there are more women than men. Muhammad viewed women as more sinful than men. And the reason more women are in hell is because the women were ungrateful to their husbands!



Muhammad also declared that women are less intelligent than men:

Bukhari, Volume 1, #301:

"...Then he (Muhammad) passed by the women and said, "O women, give alms as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." they asked, "Why is it so O Allah's messenger?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's messenger, what is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence....."


COMMENT
Christ's teachings show that women and men are equal in God's sight. "There is neither male nor female in Christ". Socially, Christ dealt with them according to the Father's mercy.
Muhammad positioned females as in between slave and free. Even today in Islamic countries women are regulated to being second class and controlled by the males. This is because of where Muhammad placed them in his teachings.

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OMGS! YOU'RE RIGHT!! I should stop worshiping Jesus!


Oh wait.. I have. *shrugs*

How about you open your own eyes and realize there is more then one faith... and what's good for you.. isn't for the next. I'll tell you what I tell pushy christians. Not intrested in your brand of faith. Stop peddling it like it's the next greatest thing. People will worship or not worship however and whoever they want. If everyone could understand that.. maybe this will be the first step towards cultural peace.

UUMMM..... you think? Ididnt say for every one to convert to islam.........I was simply giving my opinion if thats ok with you!!!

Avoid cruelty and injustice for, on the Day of Judgment, the same will turn into several darknesses; and guard yourselves against miserliness; for this has ruined nations who lived before you. * O people! Your God is one and your forefather (Adam) is one. An Arab is not better than a non-Arab and a non-Arab is not better than an Arab, and a red (i.e. white tinged with red) person is not better than a black person and a black person is not better than a red person, except in piety. } Narrated in Mosnad Ahmad, #22978. * { People, beware of injustice, 1 for injustice shall be darkness on the Day of Judgment.
{ The best among you are those who are best to their wives. }
O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have right over you. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers.
{ There is a reward for kindness to every living animal or human.}
Even as the fingers of the two hands are equal, so are human beings equal to one another. No one has any right, nor any preference to claim over another. You are brothers.

No it's not! How dare you have a personal opinion! ~stamps foot, looks all mean like~

I remember this one time where an acquaintance of mine and I were walking to the bus stop after having worked out at our martial arts club. We got to talking about culture (I'm Native American and he was from Morroco). He kept on and on about how I should consider converting to Islam so I could "know the one true God". Heh - should have seen his face when I asked him: "why in the world would I convert to a culture that is many tens of thousands of years younger than my own?"

He didn't really say much after that. Matter of fact, he stayed silent pretty much with me from then on.

Oh well.

Priceless!

Actually, everything you've been saying has been comming of as a demand and sales pitch. While you can give your opinion.. Give it as an opinion... not in a way that'll make people think you're trying to convert them.

Because right now.. you are very much just spouting off things that feel like you are panhandling your faith to make people convert. "OH NOS!! Convert now before my god comes and stomps on your sand castle!!"

>.> Uhm no.. no thank you. I don't care for how women are treated in Islam.. and I love UP's responce to this. Why /should/ I convert to a religion that's tes of thousands of years older then mine? There is no reason. My soul is in no danger of anything...

Well. This is a laugh. Damning Christianity while promoting your own beleifs. Thats new.

Personally I am an aethiest and see no point changing my opinion.

Though I would like to ask the mods if this thread would have been closed had the OP said to convert to Satanism rather then Islam?

Absolutely not! We would allow you to defend your position no matter what it is, as long as you don’t flame other and accept that others have a different position than yours.

Irish

Fair enough. Just a little curious is all

Irish likes seeing other faiths get torn up apon... XD

It must be my Roman heritage, bring on a few cougars I mean lions.
No but it is a nice change and I am as guilty as the rest of us

Oh yes.. I swear if I hear another "We all worship the same god in the end" or the like... I promise no mercy. (seriously said.. not the jokeing comment that is SURE to follow this post)

Ah, convert zeal. I suppose it's the same everywhere.


I actually agree with a decent chunk of this. Partially #1. I wouldn't go as far to pass judgment on anyone. #4, #5 and #9 are problems. The guy's conclusions are vastly different than mine.

whatever you think is fine with me...ok...and also if you do not have any religon why do you give a sh** I wasnt talking to your antichrist ass anyway

Thought I'd throw in a little something for Irish- "Ripe is my age, short is my life, leaving you I shall go. I have made myself my refuge. Be diligent, mindful, and extremely virtuous. With thoughts collected guard your mind. In this doctrine and discipline by living strenuously, you shall escape the cycle of rebirth and put an end to suffering." "Think not that you have no teacher after my death."

Some of the last recorded words of Buddha.

I wasnt damming anything I was just saying that CHRISTins worship jesus insted of god and in my OPINION thats wrong!!!!

thank you...

Never said I didn't have a religion. Actually I did admitt to having a faith that is tens of thousands of years older then Islam, Christianity, and Judaism.

And actually... how ironic of YOU to call me an antichrist.. when you here are spouting it off for everyone to "Open their eyes!" and "reject Jesus!" Who is Christ to people who believe in him.

Open your own eyes first babes before you come here demanding that everyone else does the same. You say you know.. yet you went right along going as if you so despratly want to convert those of us here into your own type of faith.

I give a crap because it's very tirering to see this week after week. You're just another person who wants to try and convert people, and can't fathom why people have no desire to do such. I do feel sorry for you for that.

Worship whatever you want... but don't presume that it'll be alright for you to come here and tell everyone else they're wrong for their own faiths. That's where I care.. X) I'm sure you wouldn't like it if I went up to you and demand you stop worshiping Islam.. and becaome what I worship... Infact, I'm pretty damned sure you'd throw a right fit about it.

That is considered flaming here and will not tolerated, consider this you first warning.

6. No flaming, flame baiting, mocking, verbal abuse or trolling

oo maybe I should put "The AntiChrist Ass" In my signature... XD

Oh wait.. I'm mocking.. SHAME ON ME! SHAME! *teehees and goes off to do that*

Thanks I like that . As a round jolly fellow myself I can relate to Buddha.

okok .i came of a bit strong ..ok I admit it ..but I really am not trying to get people to convert , I just was venting from years felling like people were trying to make me do some thing I was not comfortable with, and I would never want to make any one feel that way. If you want to worship jesus thats fine with me ok

someone get this "kitty" a rum and coke....nice kitty, nice kitty as the handsome waiter (Irish) brings the kitty a drink with a little umbrella, SC jsut breathe....lol.....

Unfortunately, you are wrong Christians worship God: God, the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit. So we are worshipping God.

and praying through jesus

To be fair, there are a few things I do greatly admire in Arabic culture in general (as opposed to Islam); sense of honour, zeal (when channelled in the right direction, zeal can accomplish great things), and OMG the Beduin and Arab music! I LOVE the sound of Middle Eastern music and singing. I must have lived a life over there at one point or something.

It really does make me wonder however...you know, if we are to go by what we see on old Egyptian Papyrus' and paintings, a lot of the women were topless in the times of Ancient Egypt - probably not long after or during the time when many of the Pyramids were built.



Sex was performed ritualistically and with probably great talent and dedication (sigh), and spiritual teachings were everywhere. The Arab world gave us the current numerical system we use today and had incredible architectural abilities. Numerology, astrology were borne from this region and continue to inspire the world today. I think that in those times, a few cultures of the Middle East may possibly have been the most advanced and civilised nations on the face of the Earth - including the Romans.

If the Islamic world in general were to return to that glorious state, I might just be persuaded to include many of its elements within my own belief system. But now it seems to have gone completely in the opposite direction - with repression, being severely uneducated (not their fault for the most part), chastisement, public executions, and everything else. I'm sorry, but I cannot even FATHOM converting or believing in something like that.

I guess I wish I had said this to my Morrocan acquaintance. We may have remained friends after that.

And I believe my first post was akin to admitting that I don't worship Jesus at all... I am very far apart of the three faiths of abraham. (Judaic, Christian, and Islam)

And how is Christina doing these days?

so much hate for being dyslexic...

Praying in His name, the name of the one about whom God said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

I find it strange that Muslims accept Mohamed when he said he was a prophet and a messenger of God yet Jesus laid no such claim to the title of prophet, He claimed to be the son of god! If Muslims accept Jesus as just a prophet then they are accepting a prophet who lies.

Irish

I somehow get the feeling that Mohammed was a good guy whose words were misinterpreted - or rewritten - much like Jesus. It'd be curious to see them both alive today and hear what they have to say about each one's followers. They'd probably be pretty pissed. Like Woody Allan said, first thing that Jesus would do is tear down the Vatican and chastise us guys for killing off so many women during the witch hunts. Mohammed would probably curse all the suicide bombers and tell Islamists not to take everything so seriously or literally (ah heck so would Jesus I reckon).

I never thought I would ever agree with Woody Allen but he does have a point. However Mohamed never preached or practiced peace.

lmao

Clover: some friendly advice, you would have far more credibility if you shared your own feelings and words as it relates to your own life.
Irish

Irish, don't take a book's words too litteraly to determine what a guy said over 1,400 years ago. I'm sure his words and their meaning got twisted to suit whatever agenda the government/organization had. If he really did promote hatred, then that doesn't make him any different from your typical terrorist, and terrorists rarely have their names last that long. I truly believe that what he preached is probably far different than what today's Islamists believe. Same with Christians. Hell - it's probably the same for ANY religious or philosophical movement.

Moral: learn from everything and be your own teacher. If you walk alongside every great teacher, then no one can lead you, and you'll never ask others to follow you.

hmm.......

Wise words, however as a Christian I have established a personal relationship with the living Christ today. The scriptures serve as a reminder of the lessons learnt today and as a history from the early days of Christ living as a man. That has changed for me as I took the initial leap of faith and now I am guided each day by both the teachings of the scriptures and the every day lessons of the Holy Spirit.

Irish

So, is this going to continue being the extent of your participation on this thread?

You are not listening and therefore gaining no ground or respect. Speak from your heart not from a link on the internet. We could share links all day but it would be meaningless and cold. Tell us why YOU made the change you did.
All the best Irish

“In an accurate translation of the Jewish Scriptures, the word "Moshiach" is never translated as "Messiah," but as "anointed."1Nevertheless, Judaism has always maintained a fundamental belief in a Messianic figure. Since the concept of a Messiah is one that was given by G-d to the Jews, Jewish tradition is best qualified to describe and recognize the expected Messiah. Judaism understands the Messiah to be a human being (with no connotation of deity or divinity) who will bring about certain changes in the world and who must fulfill certain specific criteria before being acknowledged as the Messiah.” “These specific criteria are as follows: 1) He must be Jewish. (Deuteronomy 17:15, Numbers 24:17) 2) He must be a member of the tribe of Judah (Genesis 49:10) and a direct male descendent of both King David (I Chronicles 17:11, Psalm 89:29-38, Jeremiah 33:17, II Samuel 7:12-16) and King Solomon. (I Chronicles 22:10, II Chronicles 7:18) 3) He must gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel. (Isaiah 27:12-13, Isaiah 11:12) 4) He must rebuild the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. (Micah 4:1) 5) He must bring world peace. (Isaiah 2:4, Isaiah 11:6, Micah 4:3) 6) He must influence the entire world to acknowledge and serve one G-d. (Isaiah 11:9, Isaiah 40:5, Zephaniah 3:9) If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, he cannot be the Messiah.” “A careful analysis of these criteria shows us that, although Jesus was Jewish, he did not fulfill any of the other criteria. An examination of the contradictory accounts of Jesus' genealogy demonstrates a number of difficulties with the fulfillment of the second criterion. Specifically, the New Testament claims that Jesus did not have a physical father. The Jewish Scriptures, however, clearly state that a person's genealogy and tribal membership is transmitted exclusively through one's physical father (Numbers 1:18, Jeremiah 33:17). Therefore, Jesus cannot possibly be a descendent of the tribe of Judah nor of King David and King Solomon. There are even further problems with any attempts to use the Jewish Scriptures to prove Jesus' genealogy through Joseph, the husband of Mary (Jesus' mother). For the New Testament claims that Joseph was a descendent of King Jeconiah, who in the Hebrew Bible was cursed to never have a descendent "sitting on the throne of David and ruling any more in Judah" (Jeremiah 22:30). Joseph's genealogy, even if it were transmittable to Jesus, would only serve to further disqualify Jesus as the Messiah. Finally, there is the problem of the contradictory accounts of Jesus' genealogy in Matthew, Chapter 1 and Luke, Chapter 3. The common Christian explanation of this contradiction claims that Luke's genealogy is that of Jesus' mother, Mary. However, this is unfounded, even according to the Greek original. In addition, it has already been established that genealogy is transferred solely through the father, making this attempted explanation completely irrelevant. Even if one could trace one's genealogy through one's mother, there would be the additional problem that Luke 3:31 lists Mary as a descendent of David through Nathan, Solomon's brother, and not through Solomon himself as required according to the prophesy in I Chronicles 22:10 of the Jewish Bible. The third, fourth, fifth and sixth criteria have obviously not been fulfilled -- neither during Jesus' time nor since. Any Christian claims that these final criteria will be fulfilled in a "Second Coming" are irrelevant because the concept of the Messiah coming twice has no scriptural basis. To summarize, we cannot know that someone is the Messiah until he fulfills all of the above criteria. The Christian understanding of the Messiah and Jesus differs greatly from the Jewish biblical view. These differences developed as a result of the Church's influence during the time of the Emperor Constantine and the Council of Nicaea that issued the Nicene Creed in 325 CE.”

He must have been a great guy to hang around with for sure. I think his charisma is part of the reason why so many of my own people so easily gravitated towards him (Uless they were coerced that is, which of course was so often the case. Also, we did have our own "messiah" if you will - the Peacemaker). Still, I always find myself wondering about Jesus' eighteen missing years in the Bible. I personally find it hard to believe that he twiddled his thumbs during that time period. I actually think he travelled the hell out of the world and learned from a great many master teachers themselves. From 12 to 30 - gives a lot of time to go to India, China, Europe, Africa, probably even Russia and elsewhere. I reckon those eighteen years would make a bunch of Christian eyes open really wide - or shut really tight.

Clover, this is not much better than simply putting up links. Listen to what Irish is saying

Sorry to enter Irish,


I cannot seem to find you on this website, why ?

irish you say this often how are you guided by this holy spirit how does that translate into living, dose this spirit tell you what to do or is this a metaphor...I'm genuinely curious, when you say personal relationship do you mean with this diety or do you mean something else???/