There is no way anyone familiar with the Moon landing would laim those black and white photos were official photos from the lunar landing. A quick look shows no mylar, kapton, or thermal blankets on the LM which would have had those on all landing missions. It is a crude and silly fake that if Mr. Hawkins did not fake it himself then he was taken in by it and it certainly shows his true skill as a researcher.

Straydog...

Do you know who actually writes the back cover text for the vast majority of books published?

It sounds like someone is praising the living daylights out of our phantom scientist, doesn't it?

And of course, I never pictured you wandering around Hunan Province!
You're not a Chinaman!

Yep....you got it!

Wow, some knowledge must be rubbing off on me, I thought about the "gold foil" looking foot pads as well. Sheesh, if I can see a discrepancy in these photos it has to pretty darn obvious (I'm not even close to being an Apollo buff).

Everyone, please try to stay on topic.

Ok, but the validity of the photos being utilized by Mr. Hawkins does reflect on whether or not he is really a scientist (as is being claimed). Who Mr. Hawkins is (and what his qualifications are), is what I was asking in the original post. I'm still perplexed as regards his qualifications for being presented as one of the world's foremost scientists.

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You may well be right, I jumped to the conclusion that he manipulated it himself. It's possible that there is a horizontally flipped, black and white version of this image somewhere. An email I received from Eric Jones of the ALSJ a few weeks ago confirmed that sometimes they would receive scans of prints that were accidentally "reversed". And a black and white version of this image could have been used in a non-colour publication, and subsequently scanned for the internet.

I'll do some more digging!

im glad this isnt turning out to be a spanish inquisition from your ending remark.

I hope the mods agree this is still on topic, after all we are trying to ascertain not only what this guys academic qualifications are, but also his motives and methods, and what kind of person he is. So I'll continue with the discussion about the colour and black and white EVA photos on the rchice of his website.

I've tracked down the original photo, it's on the Apollo Archive, here. This version is in colour, and isn't horizontally flipped (as you can see by the "26" on the side of one of a PLSS). The reference number for the image is S69-32243.

I have also tracked down a black and white version, flipped horizontally, on a NASA website - here.

None of the references to this image that I can find on any NASA website claim that this was taken on the moon - they all state it was taken during EVA rehearsa activities on 22 April 1969. Here are a few links:-

http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/capti...otoId=S69-32243
http://ares.jsc.nasa.gov/HumanExplore/Expl...eo195/image.htm
http://www.history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/images11.html
http://ston.jsc.nasa.gov/collections/TRS/_...2004-212068.pdf - page 86. They have accidentally included the "flipped" colour version - but it quite clearly states it's a rehearsal on a simulated lunar surface.

In conclusion - I've got no evidence that he manipulated the image himself. Neither can I find anything to back up his claim that NASA say this photo was taken on the moon. It's obviously an EVA rehearsal photo. That's what all the NASA sources I could find state. Why he is making the statement that NASA claim it was taken on the moon, I don't know. If it does state that anywhere, it's clearly a clerical error.

Getting back to Charles Hawkins - it speaks volumes that this brilliant mind, and his team of whizz-kids beavering away for two years, couldn't figure this out for themselves: whereas little old me could in the space of a few minutes.

This is what I was attempting to ascertain, why would one of the world's most accomplished scientists make an error like this? And, from some of the other things I've read regarding Mr. Hawkin's book (I have yet to read the book, it isn't in our library) apparently contains several more obvious errors. This doesn't sound to me like the work of anyone in academia, let alone an immanent scientist.

So, I'm left asking: What are Mr. Hawkins academic qualifications? Where did he attend college? Where did he work for those 20 years that he was supposedly engaged in applied sciences, industrial electronics, robotics and computer science? Frankly, the only employment evidence we have at this point is that he's a real estate agent!

YES, I Cracked Hawkins's Code

I did it, I think I may be the 1st to crack the secret coding system Hawkins used in his moon book. The code is supposed to reveal clues to where Hawkins is hiding the Apollo moon landing films his group of Whiz Kids bandits claimed to have taken from NASA before they even noticed the film was missing. If anyone knows of others that have more clues to Hawkins book please contact me at codecracker@techie.com


Here is what Hawkins's code is based.

Hawkins is using a kind of sci-fi version of the Bible Code which is based on a combination of predetermined word and letter spacing in the book's text. Hawkins even tells us he is using this coding system in his very 1st clue found in chapter 2/ page 2-4 paragraph 6.


Hawkins’s describes his Coding System in chapter 2/ page 2-4 paragraph 6 which I listed it below for reference:.

I have encrypted into this book a secret algorithm code revealing the location of the materials proving that the Moon Landings were a hoax. Along with these materials there is a very large sum of money to assist whoever finds the information. This money will help keep the fight for truth alive so that someday the American government will have to admit its wrongdoing, correct the history books, and put an end to this scientific outrage. A lie as big as claiming to go to the moon should not live forever. To help ensure that everyone is looking in the right direction for the treasure, here is the first clue.

1st Clue Wise are those efforts relying on the guidance of Els to solve this puzzle. You will be led to one of earth's first stellar travelers, a real bear, strongest of all creatures living on the planet earth. For she is the one who holds the treasure you are looking for.


1st Clue - Part 1: Wise are those efforts relying on the guidance of Els to solve this puzzle.

Here Hawkins is telling us to use the E.L.S. Bible Code System to find the clues to his hidden treasure. The initials “E.L.S.” stands for a coding system associated with the Bible call the BibleCode where clues are revealed using Equal Letter Spacing.


**********************************************************************


1st Clue - Part 2: You will be led to one of earth's first stellar travelers, a real bear, strongest of all creatures living on the planet earth.

CLUE BREAKDOWN: I did an internet search and found the one creature considered to be strongest of all on earth is the incredible WATER BEAR, a tiny microscopic organism. This creature is so strong scientists believe it could live in outer space and would have been found all over the first test rockets sent into outer space.

Proof Hawkins's Clue is reffering to the Water Bear: Wise are those efforts relying on the guidance of Els (equal letter spacing) to solve this puzzle. You will be led to one of earth's first stellar travelers, a real Bear, strongest of all creatures living on the planet earth.

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1st Clue - Part 3. For she is the one who holds the treasure you are looking for.


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Beyond this I have yet to find out very much more about the whereabouts of Hawkins's hidden treasure.

codecracker@techie.com

codecracker, you crack me up.

Ok, I gather that this:

"I have encrypted into this book a secret algorithm code revealing the location of the materials proving that the Moon Landings were a hoax. Along with these materials there is a very large sum of money to assist whoever finds the information. This money will help keep the fight for truth alive so that someday the American government will have to admit its wrongdoing, correct the history books, and put an end to this scientific outrage. A lie as big as claiming to go to the moon should not live forever. To help ensure that everyone is looking in the right direction for the treasure, here is the first clue..."

is a direct quote from Mr. Hawkin's book? If so, then I highly doubt this individual is a scientist. Frankly, this whole thing is beginning to sound like one great big publicity stunt.

That or an experiment to see just what some people will fall for.

I am a third of the way through Charlie's book .... He is not a publicity stunt , but a real person !!... I will post his credentials and education here so Lilly can get some closure on all of this ... and if allowed to I would be more than happy to scan some of the pages from his book to post here ...

My favorite parts so far are where Charlie scientifically proves how the lunar buggy could not possibly have done what NASA claimed it did on the moon .... Oh and then there are the photos that NASA does NOT want anyone to see, taken from the unmanned 1994 Clementine mission ... Not the doctored images already put out by NASA in an attempt to match the Apollo photos , but rather the REAL photos from lunar orbit ... The REAL size of Earth .. The REAL way Earth looks from the moon ( no one is gonna believe this one ! ) The way the planet Venus shows up in the lunar sky .. and here's the best part of all .... STARS CAN BE SEEN IN THE LUNAR SKY !!!! ... and they are beautiful ! .... These photos are real and they were really taken from the real moon ... Unlike the Apollo photos , which are so phony looking they are pathetic .... The sky is NOT SOLID BLACK IN DEEP SPACE ! NASA LIED TO ALL OF US !!

Shame on NASA and their phony Apollo photos and their faked Apollo moon missions ... Didn't they realize one day in the future their Apollo sham would be exposed ?

Feel free.


I would be very careful about this as it may be a copyright issue.





You couldn't resist trying to hijack the thread could you, despite the fact it was you that said:


Your tactic of taking every thread off topic and then complaining when others reply to you is now as tiresome as it is transparent. If you wish to start yet another thread where people that understand photography can explain to you exactly what is wrong with your statement then feel free.

If you would prefer to have a forum where others are not allowed a right to reply then may I suggest you start your own website.

Sorry pal but if I remember correctly it was you who took the Grissom discussion off topic , not me ..... You need to learn to practice what you preach .

Lessons in photography ? .. You mean learn why the Apollo astronauts never bothered to open the apatures on any of their Hassleblad cameras far enough to allow any of the stars to be photographed ? ... Or perhaps learn how difficult it is to take a photo of the lunar surface or the lunar sky when standing in a moon studio on earth ?

How do you know this?



Good. BTW, has any of this information been corroborated from outside sources?

Straydog, if you have any sort of evidence leading to this man's identity, feel free to post it. If you want to discuss his views, you may open another thread on that specifically.

They are my favorites too...and I cannot wait for you to put them here...

Well, not here.
Put new threads in the Conspiracy section...preferably, one for each point, so it can be thoroughly fleshed out.


I want to see how "Charlie" proves that the LRV couldn't work the way it did.
I also want to see the photos from Clementine in 1994, which NASA didn't want us to see, but somehow, "Charlie" got to see.

I am very interested in how the relatively simple calculation of the angular size of the Earth as viewed from lunar distance, is somehow disproved.

But I would like to point out a fact which has been illustrated many, mnay times:

NASA never said the sky was pitch black and devoid of stars in space. Quite the contrary. The sky is filled with stars, which, given the correct SEEING CONDITIONS, are fantastic (as observed by many astronauts and cosmonauts while in the dark on orbit). You're correct about that...but incorrect that they can, or should be seen from the lunar surface, or in any broad daylight condition, and especially by cameras which are set to photograph brightly lit surface objects.




Now now, another thread please....perhaps consult one of the old ones which clearly explained that opening the apertures on the cameras enough to image stars in the sky would've defeated the purpose of the photography assignments, and would've rendered the images a big blur...they did have lessons in photography, which is why they didn't attempt such a foolhardy thing. It would've been a waste of film and time.

This thread is about establishing the reality of "Dr. Hawkins", or "Charlie", as you are calling him. That, so far, has been an abject failure.
However, feel free to post his qualifications here if you will.

For my part, I look forward to other threads on individual "Charlie" contentions.
Those, more than anything taken from the cover of his book, will clearly show his qualifications, I think.

I'm interested in seeing some information about Mr. Hawkins that can be corroborated by outside sources, not just what is stated on the back cover of his book.



Absolutely, I could claim I had a degree in nuclear physics, but if I don't know "diddle-squat" about nuclear physics my claim would be highly suspect.

Lilly ... Do you even comprehend the irony in your statements here ?

" I'm interested in seeing some information about Mr. Hawkins that can be CORROBORATED BY OUTSIDE SOURCES, not just what is stated on the back cover of his book."

"Absolutely, I could claim I had a degree in nuclear physics, but if I don't know "diddle-squat" about nuclear physics my claim would be highly suspect. "

This is EXACTLY what I have been saying all along about NASA and their unsubstantiated claims of technically landing men on the moon almost 40 years ago . .... NASA can make any claim they want to but without any OUTSIDE CORROBORATION or any technical proof of their claims, they are as empty as Hawkins' claims of having "one of the greatest scientific minds of all time ".

I was going to post the information from his book on where he was educated and what his qualifications are , but what's the point ? ... Anyone who disagrees with Apollo being a hoax is only going to find a way to try to discredit him anyway , no matter what his credentials may be . .... So it would be a losing battle posting anything about him or his evidence of NASA having faked the Apollo Program , because none of you scientists and NASA defenders will ever accept it or believe it , no matter how much evidence points to the fact that the official Apollo record is a lie .

Actually, the Apollo missions were some of the most technically documented events in all of history. If what NASA was doing was "scientifically impossible", as is being claimed by the moon hoax supporters, then one would have seen scientists world wide yelling this loud and strong back in 1969.




If Mr. Hawkins has the academic qualifications, and even more important the scientifically sound evidence that he's claiming, exactly how could he be discredited? However, from what I've been reading such scientifically sound evidence is not contained within Mr. Hawkins's book, which leads me to be suspicious (rightfully so) of his academic qualifications.

What do you consider outside corroboration? The vast majority of the people who worked on the apollo project were outside contractors.

The contrators who worked on the Apollo Program were not outside of the project , but rather very much a part of it ... They all were very compartmentalized also ( need to know basis ) ... No one person , doing their own little technical job , would have ever suspected that the program was a fraud ... and of course their pride in being part of Apollo would never allow any of them to even consider the possibility that NASA was just using them all to pull off the hoax of the century .

Can anyone from these "outside" sources now provide any proof that their moon flight technology worked like NASA claimed it did ? .... Where is the outside corrorboration that NASA landed men on the moon ? ... In fact , where is NASA's technical proof that they landed men on the moon ? .... Nowhere ... because they never did land any men on the moon during Apollo .... and at the rate NASA is going , possibly never will .

As this thread is about the genius of Charles Hawkins(whoever he may or may not be), ( do not want this to turn into yet another generalized moon hoax thread. Please stick to the topic at hand.

I guess I received the Roswell special edition of the book. The publisher says it was accidentally not edited thoroughly due to a rush to meet some event deadline back in 2004. Does anyone know a place that has a newer version?

For those of you that are wondering about this elusive Charles T. Hawkins’ scientific credentials hopefully I can help you clear up this issue a little.

I personally met Mr. Charles Hawkins a few years before he published his research book on the Apollo Moon Landings. I met Mr. Hawkins at a lecture on the Scientific Principals of the Earth’s Magnetosphere being telecast from the Iowa State University.

I will never forget this lecture since it was very scientifically intense, while at the same time quite entertaining. There were two scientists giving the lecture and covering the material, and they seemed like a well rehearsed tag team partnership. The main speaker was the world famous space scientist James Vann Alan and he had a special guest speaker for the event who I will never forget, it was the notorious Charles T Hawkins. Yes, this Charles T Hawkins, before publishing his moon landing conspiracy book was teaching Scientific Principals of the Earths Magnetosphere with James Vann Alan the famous scientist who discovered earth’s radiation belts (the Vann Alan Belts). Some of the things I recall Mr. Hawkins talking about during the lecture beside Earths Magnetosphere included his controversial theories about how he believed the solar systems are formed and why he thinks Mars was a moon of a very large ancient planet that was once orbiting between Earth and Jupiter and exploded millions of years ago.

Later students that attended the lecture were given the opportunity to take a picture together with James Vann Allan and Mr. Charles Hawkins. That’s right; James Van Allan along with Mr. Charles T. Hawkins, the author of “How America Faked the Moon Landings”, posed for a picture together with us. Another thing I specifically remember is how Mr. Hawkins had an usually large of students that were constantly following him around beckoning his attention after the even.

If proof is what you want – proof is what you shall get! One of my old classmates taped the lecture and still has the original audio tape and our group picture.

My old classmates says he kept the audio tape and picture all this time because he’s always had this strange feeling that Mr. Hawkins was going to make a big scientific discovery someday.

My friend is willing to give me a copy of the group picture to put online so people can cross reference Mr. Van Allan’s and Charles Hawkins picture with the one found on www.777Radio.com. When I get it I will post it here.

As far as the lecture tape goes, he is only willing to give me a snippet of the lecture tape as proof the Van Allen / Hawkins lecture event took place. However, if you have heard Hawkins speak on the radio or TV it’s easy to tell it’s the same Mr. Charles Hawkins conducting the lecture with Mr. James Vann Allan. That Mr. Hawkins has a very unique way of articulating his personal knowledge when it comes to advanced scientific principles.

As far as where Hawkins is now it’s anybodies guess. Not long ago I read an article claiming the CIA had killed Mr. Hawkins and all the other scientists that helped him conduct his research on the Apollo Moon landings. Although I see Hawkins now has a video on google videos.

Spaceexpo and/or codecracker; please read my PM to you regarding your matching IP addresses...thanks.

spaceexpo .... I have read where Hawkins "studied at the feet of Dr. Van Allen" .... So this is some very interesting information you posted here .... Of course for this crowd you will need to post the proof not only of Hawkins' connection with Dr. Van Allen but proof of his very existance ! ... But then if you are really codecracker just using a different name , then I would assume your post is just one big leg pull ... but quite a good one , I must say .

Hawkins' credentials that were listed in his book sounded pretty impressive to me , but unfortunately there is no proof of them and he could just be making it all up ..... His book does seem to be rather rushed in certain areas, where I wish he had gone into more detail with the hoax evidence .

Some of his photographic evidence and research seems to be on the lazy side and not always accurate ... Where as his scientific evidence of a hoax is much more impressive ....

No wonder he is so adament about the moon landings being faked .... Dr. Van Allen probably knew they were faked also but was in NASA's back pocket , so to speak... and was obliged to keep quiet about the truth of the immense dangers of the Van Allen radiation belts ....

I have read recently where even the Russians tried to send one of their cosmonauts through the radiation belts during one of their Zond missions ... but he came back cooked to a crisp along with some turtles , worms and some other little critters .... but of course the official version of this Zond mission had a very different outcome , and the absent cosmonaut , the turtles , the worms and the other little critters all lived happily ever after .

According to a NASA report , the shuttle astronauts couldn't get anywhere near the belts without seeing the intense radiation flashes behind their closed eyelids after only attempting a 400 mile high flight ....

But we are suppossd to believe that all of the Apollo astronauts sailed through these belts unscathed , to encounter even more intense radiation in deep space and then stroll around on the RADIOACTIVE MOON and all lived happily ever after !

Scientists now have evidence that the entire lunar surface is RADIOACTIVE .... Including any rocks which are on the lunar surface ... I wonder why NASA has never mentioned their alleged moon rocks as being radioactive ? .... Oppsss again!

Spaceexpo,

Going through the Van Allen papers, I can find no reference to this lecture or meeting with Mr Hawkins. You have said "If proof is what you want – proof is what you shall get! One of my old classmates taped the lecture and still has the original audio tape and our group picture. "

Could you supply these? In order to verify the lecture?

Many thanks.

Dr Van Allen's family would be most upset that he was forced to live a lie... you have proof of this, supporting your claim?


Fascinating! Could I have a reference for that please?


More most interesting material. Again, could I have a reference for that? So that I can further examine the physiological circumstances regarding this phenomena?


Once again, I am sure you have a reference to support that claim? You are not mistaking that with the phenomena of Bremsstrahlung, are you?

Yes, they did just that. Six feet of lead isn't necessary to shield from radiation (as was explained many times over in other threads). Acrylics, plactics, plexiglass, lucite, even wood is effective against some forms of radiation. Also, the amount and time limit of exposure needs to be taken into account. I remember going over this kind of thing extensively in some of the other threads.

OOpss...NASA does know about radiation on the moon.

Ackkk...I just noticed I've veered off topic as well! Anyway, I'm sure that an accomplished scientist such as Mr. Hawkins would realize all of this information and explain things accordingly.



Take specific note about the "if people will be staying there for more than just a few days" clause.

I have a feeling we may be dealing with a bit of a game here.
It seems a little strange that someone who attended a lecture on the scientific principals of the Earth's magnetosphere, featuring the man who discovered them, would mis-spell his name (Vann Alan?). It is also somewhat curious that on the Iowa State University site, lectures for the past 5 years or so have been listed, and I cannot find any reference to Dr. Van Allen. Curious also is that Dr. Van Allen would need an assistant lecturer when talking about a science he essentially invented.

Further odd is that straydog alleges that Hawkins stated (or someone did about him) that he "studied at the feet of Dr. Van Allen"

I find this equally curious, because Dr. Van Allen's own autobiographical, which can be found on the University of Iowa website (not Iowa State....), specifically states that during his tenure as an active Professor at the University (1951 to 1985) where he served as head of the Physics and Astronomy Department, his closest working relationships were with students at the graduate level. He obviously had great affection for them, and lists each one who received an M.S. or a Ph.D. under his tutelage during the period. He specifically list 24 M.S.s and 35 Ph.D.s, and the name Charles Hawkins...one of the worlds most respected scientists, and who studied at the feet of Dr. Van Allen...is not among them.

Of course, the last Ph.D. that Dr. Van Allen mentored was awarded in 1979, and the last M.S. degree under his guidance was awarded in 1983, by his own accounting. That's 23 years ago for an M.S. and 28 years ago for a Ph.D. Most people don't receive a Ph.D. in Physics much before the age when Dr. Van Allen received his (25), and that of course was due to unremitting academic work on his part.

Since Dr. Van Allen retired from active instructing 21 years ago, and Charles Hawkins, at least from that photo we've seen, is maybe 40 (+/-), he couldn't have been but perhaps 19 or 20 when Van Allen retired. It seems rather curious that he doesn't appear to be old enough to have received B.S. by the time Dr. Van Allen retired, and yet, Hawkins is said to have studied at the feet of Van Allen, which isn't corroborated by Van Allen's own records of his graduate students...which as he said were his main students...graduate level people.


I don't know, but it smells a bit fishy. However, one thing is certain.
Once we start seeing some of Hawkin's ideas about Apollo, we'll quickly see what his qualifications are.

Yes, it does appear to be a bit *odd*.

NO we are not the same person, space expo is an outtown friend of mine visiting his folks for the holidays. He used my PC to create his account after I told him about your site. He gave me the Hawkins book when he got into town and after I started reading it and felt I cracked Hawkins code and then I started searching the web for more information and found your site. See my friend (spaceexpo) has been claiming the moon landing were fake for years and I could not wait to show him your blog and when he saw it he wanted to tell his story about how he knew Hawkins.

My friend is telling you the truth about Hawkins and when he get back home and meets up with his friend he will be giving you the lecture audio clip.

This things is so transparent, after doing just a little digging myself I found a photo of your Charlie Hawkins on James Vann Allen own website where it looks as if Hawkins was possiblyone of the speakers to an auditorium full of elite scientists attending Mr. Van Allen’s 90th birth party http://www-pw.physics.uiowa.edu/van90/invi...PA092302pma.jpg.

I am half way through the book "how American faked the moon landings" and all I have to say is "wake up and smell the roses." If the moon landings were real then I am the fairy godmother.

What is Hawkins qualifications on Apollo - from what I have read so far - just his ability to write all this stuff probably makes him the most qualified person on the planet when it comes the Apollo Moon Landings. Hawkins is using star charts and Galaxy configurations just to prove NASA is lying about photos they claim were taken on the moon - is the guy even from this planet.

Oh good, can I have my three wishes now please?



Sadly your research is very poor (for a start the name is Van Allen). On the very website where you found the picture is a list of all the registered participants of Van Allen's 90th Birthday calibrations and guess what... no Charles Hawkins is on the list. - LINK

You think he was giving a lecture do you? Well another 10 seconds research would have taken you to THIS PAGE which lists the Schedule of Events including the speakers and guess what... still no Charles Hawkins.

The image was taken during the public lecture:

http://www-pw.physics.uiowa.edu/van90/invi...AApub10904.html

Personally, I'm not convinced they are images of the same person. I've done a comparison, but how do I upload it?

I believe that is Stephen Hawking the world renowned physicist professor

Or it could be Charles Xavier.

Gee, is there an echo in here?

This has gotten beyond ridiculous.
A supposedly world renowned scientist, and no one can find evidence of his existence.
A supposedly world renowned scientists, who has allegedly written a book which proves the Apollo program was a fake (?)...
A supposedly world renowned scientist, who, given the aforementioned fact, claims to have studied at the feet of Van Allen?!?! (of course, there's no evidence of that either...).


And you say, based on what you've read so far, that this as of yet unsubstantiated human being...IS THE MOST QUALIFIED PERSON ON THE PLANET WHEN IT COMES TO THE APOLLO MOON LANDINGS???



OK....

"...is the guy even from this planet?"

Well, so far, that can't be proven.

Ok, some time has passed, I have been asking around about the elusive Charles T. Hawkins. It appears that the author of the book is neither (surprize!) the Professor, nor the Manhattan Real Estate Broker. Basically, Mr. Hawkins appears to be "the man that never was" sort of thing.

If one considers this to be *who* Mr. Hawkins really is then MID's comments here make perfect sense:



So, I conclude that Charles T. Hawkins the scientist does not really exist. Does anyone have any evidence to the contrary?

Even our friend straydog aka Duane Daman has lost faith in Hawkins:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...=8843&st=45

What I find rather interesting is that I posted the link to that Clavius page in my very first post here in this thread!

Oh, I see that now Mr. Hawkins is being called a "NASA stooge" (as opposed to one of the world's greatest scientists). Amazing, absolutely amazing.

I wonder if straydog will add this opinion to the reviews page at Amazon, save anyone else from wasting their money in the way that he has.

Shows you shouldn't dismiss clavius so quickly.

This is from Straydogs post: (The bolding is my emphasis)


This is from Straydogs post earlier in the thread:





I think the horse you backed has stumbled a bit...

This happens on both sides of the coin although I see it more from the CT side of things. Scientific minded folk have more of a tendancy to analyze things to a deeper level, and are generally familiar with the scientific process, something that gives at least some ability to look at a matter impartially. In this case it appears that just by making similar claims there is enough there to give support to this "brilliant" scientist. This kind of research is all too typical in many of the CT arguments; stories that have a bit of truth(misunderstood or not) get grabbed onto like a lifeline without following up with research that attempts to look at the matter objectively.

It is a mistake to look at a bit of information and accept it as gospel because it supports your claim and makes some kind of sense; that goes for both sides of the argument... This just happens to be one of the greatest example I have seen in some time.

Why does the old saying, "grasping at straws" come to my mind?