Ok, I know he's the author of How America Faked the Moon Landings. Beyond this I can't seem to find out very much about this person. Where was he educated, what degree does he hold, and in what discipline?

I did find some rather interesting information about him over on Clavius. So then, who is this Mary Morrelli? Does anyone here know what became of all this?

According to straydog:



Acknowledged by who? Has anyone ever even heard of him? He doesn't seem to have done anything other than possibly writing one book about the moon hoax. My guess is it's a pseudonym for one of the other moon hoax proponents.

why dont you investigate it instead of guessing

His publishers (well they weren't going to call him a dip-stick were they?)

Investigating this person is proving to be a bit difficult, did you read my link to the comments over on Clavius? I'm not much for guessing either, so that's why I started this thread.

So, who is Charles T. Hawkins? If he's one of the greatest scientific minds of our time; where was he educated, what degree(s) does he possess, and in what scientific discipline(s), what else has he written besides the one book I already referenced?

Inquiring minds want to know!

I have found a website called authorsandexperts.com It provides a review of the book, "Did the American Fake Sending Men to the Moon?" and a facility to email Mr. Hawkins. I have sent him this email:

If I receive a reply I will post it here uncensored and inchanged as promised.

One interesting thing is how the book is classified on the Authors and Experts site:



Folklore!!! that says a lot. No mention of the words science or fact I notice.

Source: Authors And Experts - Charles T Hawkins

I tried, and can't find any evidence of him existing other than the book. Hense, the theory that it's a pseudonym.

I've just got a delivery failure notice from the enquiry I sent.

So far, searching for the name, I have found a dissertation on "A study of five galactic radio sources at 5 GHz" for the University of Texas at El Paso in 1968 and a lawyer in Oxfordshire, England.

For "one of the greatest scientific minds of our time" he doesn't seem to have published much.

This is exactly what I was thinking...a pseudonym for whom though?

If you look at the Amazon book reviews , it's rather interesting. Clavius didn't seem to like it very much...he certainly doesn't support the idea that it was written by a scientist, let alone one of the world's greatest scientists.

It appears investigation is revealing.
No one can find out who this very "celebrated scientist" is, who wrote this really bad attempt at re-hashing what can be found right here as pertains to hoax theories. It would appear that this fact is telling.

One doesn't need to guess as pertains to Apollo. One merely has to look at the facts, understand what's behind them, and realize that every supposed authority who has ever published a book or a video presentation concerning the Apollo fake business has been dis-assembled by people with actual scientific background and knowledge of the specifics of space flight.

No "celebrated scientist" has ever come out and said that Apollo was faked. Now, one could, and frequently does cite people like Percy, and Rene, and Bennett, and White, and even dare I say Kaysing (jeez...), and put forth their "scientific credentials" (you know, things like, "worked for Rocketdyne"(albeit as a librarian), and "self-educated engineeer"), however, it has been shown that none of them actually have any real credentials, nor any actual knowledge.

Apollo had people like von Braun, van Allen, Hubolt, Kraft, Aldrin, Schmidt...you know, actual PhDs in various fields of pertinence (and many others). No one can impune their credentials, or their accomplishments. They are in fact celebrated scientists, and they all contributed mightily to the success of Apollo.

Apollo has the real scientists. The hoax has people who aren't, and some, as in the case of this particular fellow, who's existence can't even be verified.

I believe Waspie's google search found that Mr. Hawkins is indeed a scientist .... And even found one of his brilliant disertations ... I should own this book in a few days and hopefully there will be some more information on him and possibly even a way to contact him to get his many credentials ... I'm hoping anyway .

It was very nice of Lilly to post that scathing ( who would have thought ? ) review from the NASA disinformation /defender web site of clavius moon base ... but in all fairness to Mr. Hawkins , maybe we should see what some of his other adoring fans have to say about his book .... It would seem that not everyone is in agreement with Jay Utah , one of NASA's mighty defenders , along with Phil Plaitt of Bad Astronomy ...

Here are a few reviews from some of the folks who don't happen to wear NASA's rose tinted glasses when reading about ... How America Faked the Moon Landings !

Reviewer: Newboy

What I've been waiting to hear for years: it didn't really happen! The Moon is NOT covered with American flags, metal junk and pizza boxes like most of the Earth. And, I dare to hope, Mars, Venus, and the rest of the heavenly bodies are inviolate, after all. And all of that reflective rubbish racing across and blighting the night scare is just especially bad floaters in my aging eyes.
Well, look in Pravda for that date and you'll see: nothing about it in the newspaper. Case closed.
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This conspiracy theory is not unique; it's what the author does with it that's impresses. , December 10, 2005
Reviewer: Tammy Peterson "amazon" (Florida, USA)

This conspiracy theory is not unique; it's what the author does with it that's impresses. I never thought I would find myself recommending any government conspiracy books, but the story plot is fascinating. It's almost impossible not to find yourself quickly warming up to the writer's charismatic exploration of science and human emotion. For example, there's a delicious scene of teamwork when the author introduces some of the unique members of his research team and their individual contributions.

Sometimes the author gets carried away with his skillful technical analysis of NASA's space science jargon, which I occasional had no idea or interest in what he was talking about. However that adds real conviction and creditability to the Moon Hoax conspiracy theory, only a scientist could brilliantly portray. Ultimately, the test for this authors success or failure lay with how his theories stand up to criticism of the scientific community.
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Many thanks to the reader, who alerted me to get this exciting book., August 15, 2005
Reviewer: Jane Robinson "Jane Robinson" (Londin, England)

I picked up this unusual CONSPIRACY Book this morning at Barnes & Noble and have been reading and studying it all day. I can tell those of you who are diehard government conspiracy believers, if you skip this excellent book because it sounds too farfetched, you are cheating yourself.

And if you're currently not a moon hoax conspirator then you'll really enjoy this book. In spite of my already in-depth familiarity with the Moon Hoax theory, I feel as if I am discovering a whole new world of evidence by a very knowledgeable author who had studied at the feet of the masters like PH James Van Allen and was channeling them.

The book is excellent in every way. The evidence is unforgettable, the dialogue is witty when it should be and entertaining when appropriate. The underline plotting is so intelligent yet straightforward that you'll walk away from this great book feeling smarter than you did when you first picked it up.
Many thanks to the reader, who alerted me to get a copy of this exciting book.
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Reviewer: Paul (Canada) - See all my reviews
As regards to the Moon Landing Hoax conjecture outline in this research book, we applaud the courage of Charles Hawkins and his research team, and their endeavor to uncover the insurmountable amount of evidence supporting their hypotheses.
After speaking with the United States senate I am confident they stand together with Charles Hawkins in support of the "right to know for everyone", and we will be pursuing our common engagement into the truth. To that end, I will encourage the United States and European Union to co-host an international conference to establish a forum to investigate allegations of moon landings being irresponsible military government propaganda on the part of United States Government.
I leave, hearten backing of President of the U.S.
Mr. Prime Minister thanks.
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I hope this thread can stay on topic and not be derailed like so many of these threads are about the moon hoax ... If so, I would like to share some of Mr. Hawkin's ideas here about just how America did fake those moon landings !

As the thread is asking who Mr. Hawkins is, surely you would be taking it off topic by discussing his the Moon Hoax.

straydog. as you want to play the quote the review game can I have ago? Here is the very first one:

Lilly has alreay quoted from the second, which is from Clavius so we'll go to the third:



Or the fourth:

I see you ignore these before we get to the first review you posted. So onto the 6th:



But here is the best one straydog:



You do remember that website don't you? It's the one you admitted was so unreliable you wouldn't use it again. I think that just about wraps it up for this "great scientific mind".

Incidentally straydog, if you don't mind me asking, how did you come to the following conclusions:

1) That the author of the book is the same man as the author of the 1968, "A study of five galactic radio sources at 5 GHz" dissertation? I found several Charles T. Hawkins in my search and there was nothing to connect any of them, including the author of the dissertation, to the book.

2) That the dissertation is brilliant or, for that matter, that there are any more dissertations by this author?

Charles T Hawkins?
Isn't he that professor in a wheelchair?

Waspie ... Yes, I read those negative reviews too ... Say, you don't think they were all written by Jay Utah of clavius do you ? .... I bet they were ! ... and he was just using different pseudonyms !!!

Since the Charles T. Hawkins from El Paso, Texas is the only scientist listed online , I think it's a good possibliity that it's the same guy .

How did I know his disertation is brilliant ? .... Because I read it .

I had no intention of going off topic ... I will try to find out who he is , if he's the same gentleman from El Paso , and see if his book has more to offer than it just being "copied from the geocity site " which I doubt anyone would qualify as matching this review below .

"This conspiracy theory is not unique; it's what the author does with it that's impresses. I never thought I would find myself recommending any government conspiracy books, but the story plot is fascinating. It's almost impossible not to find yourself quickly warming up to the writer's charismatic exploration of science and human emotion. For example, there's a delicious scene of teamwork when the author introduces some of the unique members of his research team and their individual contributions.

Sometimes the author gets carried away with his skillful technical analysis of NASA's space science jargon, which I occasional had no idea or interest in what he was talking about. However that adds real conviction and creditability to the Moon Hoax conspiracy theory, only a scientist could brilliantly portray. Ultimately, the test for this authors success or failure lay with how his theories stand up to criticism of the scientific community. "
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I doubt he really copied his work form the Apollo Reality site to get reactions such as these .."his skillful technical analysis of NASA's space science jargon " and ... "adds real conviction and creditability to the Moon Hoax conspiracy theory, only a scientist could brilliantly portray. "

But we shall hopefully have the answers to these questions as soon as get the book .

Any proof of this? Or is it just more of the paranoia we've come to expect from you? I'm thinking the second choice.

I suspect you're thinking of Stephen Hawking? Not the same person.

Well actually Lilly there is a third choice .... It's called humor ! ... but then I momentarily forgot that no one posting on this forum has a clue as to what that is .

This is the same web site that Waspe mentioned yesterday , so I guess he already knew this information about Charles T. Hawkins but just didn't want to post it here ... for obvious reasons .

Charles T Hawkins
Did the American Fake Sending Men to the Moon?

Charles Hawkins, one of the greatest scientific minds of our time, believes NASA faked the moon landings. He has just published a 386-page book titled “How America Faked the Moon Landings”, which presents his evidence in a way everyone can understand. Charlie will one minute have your listeners laughing hysterically and the next minute arguing amongst themselves, if the moon landing could have been real. The nature of the subject creates a very exciting and energized program for listeners of all types. Charlie’s recent Media Appearances include: The Done Pace Show, The Roger Doyle Show, Dave Glover Show, Gary O’Brien Show, Greg Marshall Show, Tylor Morrison Show, Opinion Please Program, the Dave and Amy Show, Mike Donavon Show, the Pat Bullock show and even Ringside Politics, Charlie has also been on dozens of Morning News Shows including Good Morning America, The Coffee Talk Show and the Star 103 Morning Show.

For more information, please contact Charles T Hawkins
Tel: 612 801-2015
Fax: 612-801-2015
Email: Charles T Hawkins

http://authorsandexperts.com/search_detail.php?recordid=612

His phone number is not accepting any calls , so hopefully he will either answer our e-mails to him , or maybe the book will give us the info we are looking for .

Actually, we do know humor when we see it:

Of course, a self-admitted non-scientifically oriented person claiming that the dissertation of a supposedly "gifted scientist" is brilliant because he read it... begs for some qualification...so, I think we see the humor in that.



I'd love to hear some of that...

But it might be best to start a thread about it separately.
This one is concerning establishing the identity of this supposedly gifted mind...who allegedly wrote a book about faked Apollo missions (?).
Now, besides the fact that the boldened statement is a rather graphic oxymoron, think it's rather clear that this supposedly gifted fellow is having a very hard time even substantiating his existence.
I've seen the book...and well, it's the same old same old.

QUOTE(frenat @ Dec 20 2006, 12:02 PM)
Any proof of this? Or is it just more of the paranoia we've come to expect from you? I'm thinking the second choice.




Actually, I find this to be hilarious...frenat and I are two different people!

You make a lot of guesses don't you. As usual this one is wrong. I only went to the Amazon reviews of this book AFTER you posted because I knew (predicable fellow that you are) you would only print the reviews that agreed with your point of view. I happen to think that the truth the WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth is important. Only then did I find this information.



This is the email address I have already tried. You will probably receive a delivery failure notice, not from the mysterious Charles T. Hawkins but from Mary Morrelli (for more about her go to Clavius).

Incidentally that site you quoted used to say that Charles T. Hawkins was 41 when the book was published (that was 1n 2003). This would certainly make him brilliant as, if you are correct about his identity, he was publishing academic dissertations at the age of 6.

Not in Straydog's world. In his world, anybody that opposes him must all be the same person! No way could there be more than one person that doesn't see things exactly as he does!

straydog,

You are making a valiant effort to stand your ground but these ones who you are debating with... are gonna do more than back you into a corner. Ive seen footage of a staged apollo take though it was only a small portion compared to all of the events of the mission and not even photoshop could have put all the coinciding elements that were in place. To try and claim that it is impossible for a moon mission scientifically though is a different matter for scientific explanation is the opiate of all understanding. Pliny believed that elephants could climb ropes and amazingly stated, "surprising when they climb back down". Perhpas it is with this logic we find people following suit IE an elephant that can hang over a cliff while holding on to a daisy-- I have looked at the clavius site and it basically just isnt a site to actually prove apollo missions happened but rather to disprove accusations. Both clavius and bad astronomy both depend on contradiction to get their points across which is not really trying to get the truth out and more towards getting confrontational.

expo2, you are going off topic, the topic is Charles T. Hawkins not general Moon Hoax theory.

Something tells me this isn't the same person that authored the book in question. If someone did indeed publish an academic dissertation at age 6, I kinda think we'd have heard of them.

I apologize waspie and if you want me to I will delete my post.

No need to appologise and don't delete it, it's just that straydog is right, these threads do tend to go off at a tangent.

Ah yes, but then Charles T. Hawkins is allegedly and no one has a clue who he is.

My previous reply to this was in error. I misread which site straydog was referring to and thought he meant the quotes from Amazon.

What exactly are you accusing me of straydog? What are these obvious reasons? I was hardly being deceptive as I provided a link to that site.

I did not bother with that information that you quoted as it provides no relevant information as to who Charles T. Hawkins, what his qualifications are or, indeed, if Charles T. Hawkins is even a real person (it could easily be a nom de plume).

I think you may have cut to the chase here. From what I've been reading on other discussion boards, no one is having much luck in tracking down the elusive Mr. Hawkins. I highly suspect that Charles T. Hawkins is indeed a pen name for someone else. I'm not sure if the *who* is an individual or a group of people though.

Well at least expo2 has a sense of humor !

My apologies Lilly ... I mis-read frenant's post in my haste and thought it was you who was attacking me .

Well it seems that everyone on every forum about the Apollo hoax is now searching for the ellusive Charlie Hawkins .. He sure did get popular all of a sudden .

His e-mail addy doesn't work , and his phone number won't accept any calls ... Hmmmmm ... This is beginning to look a lot like some kind of conspiracy !

You know , I'm beginning to believe that all of you scientists might be right about this guy .... I bet that Charlie doesn't really exist at all but is rather a pile of people all rolled into one .... I bet that Davey Percy , Ralphy Rene', Barty Sibrel , the late Billy Kaysing , and the late Jimmy Collier all got together to have one giant leg pull on all of us ... You scientists know what leg pulls are don't you ? .... They are what Neil Armstrong did when he stepped onto the 'lunar 'surface back in '69 .

As in : That's one small step for ( a opppss ) man ... one giant leg pull for mankind !

Yes we know what a leg pull is and we've been watching you hoax believers fall hook, line and sinker for one for years.

And if he IS a psuedonym used to be deliberately deceptive, who was he deceiving?

People who know Apollo happened? Or people who will clutch at any straw that supports their belief that Apollo never happened?

I'm afraid the joke was on you, stray - and you fell for it hook, line and sinker. Without the input and research by people on this board and the Education Forum, you'd have this guy on the same pedestal you put Jack White (Jack White who has yet to withdraw any of the claims he has been shown to be completely wrong about).

You are right - there is a moon conspiracy. Only it's not the one you think. Unbeknownst to you - you are actively participating in it!

You're backing the wrong horse, buddy!

postbaguk, we are trying to keep this thread on topic. There has been plenty of discussion about Jack White elsewhere so we should keep this thread to Charles T. Hawkins. Although as even straydog now seems to agree that Charles T. Hawkins is a pseudonym (making his claim that this is the same man that wrote the "brilliant" dissertation on radio astronomy look a little daft) I'm not sure that this thread has much further to run.

I don't think that there is anything deceptive in using a nom de plume per se. However when one is making a claim that the author is



it is a little strange that this great brain does not want to be identified.

No doubt there will be some that will say it would be dangerous for him to reveal his true identity as he would become an enemy of the state (despite the fact that White, Sibrel, Bennett, Percy and others continue to be alive and unmolested). However it could also be that this great mind does not want to be identified with this work (draw your own conclusions folks). However I think the most likely reason is that the whole "greatest scientific mind" claim is all simply hype. As I said in an earlier post, the publishers are not going to describe him as a dipstick are they?

For the hoax believers this must be a blow. They finally think they have found a real scientist that will back up their claims and it turns it he is probably a lie.

Sorry Waspie, not trying to de-rail this thread into a Jack White discussion. Just giving straydog a gentle rib-tickle after his comment about it being one giant leg-pull for mankind!

I think the evidence is pointing quite clearly to "Charles Hawkins" not being who he is claimed to be. Whether he is someone already known for his HB views, someone else, or a "borg collective" of HBers and their views seems open to debate at the moment.

I believe that Charlie is a physicist .... and might even have connections with NASA ... I have been doing some google searches on Charles Hawkins , without the T and have come up with some interesting results .

His book came in the mail today but unfortunately there was no picture of him or any contact info except for a web site addy which belongs to a realator named Charles Hawkins from NYC ...( www.charleshawkins.com) I had a friend call him , as I was tied up with business , and the info received was that the realtor is not the author of the book but he wished he was , as he is interested in this kind of thing .... He also said that he bought his web site address from someone named Charles Hawkins about a year ago and that the other Charles Hawkins was a physicist .

Obviously the guy who wrote this book does exist but is just keeping a very low profile now ... And maybe for good reasons ... After leafing through his book I can tell you that's it's definately not the same ole' same ole' , and aside from a few pictures of the NASA facilities at Langley Virginia, there is NOTHING about this book that is copied from that geocities site ... So the clavius information on that is a bunch of BS .

Here is what is written on the back cover of the book .

"A must read ... Now, after decades of silence , the secret to one of the world's biggest conspiracies is finally revealed in this book ... HOW AMERICA FAKED THE MOON LANDINGS by Charles T. Hawkins . It's a real eye opening experience .

What do the American Moon Landings , JFK's murder , and global warming all have in common ? All are at the center of a gigantic American government conspiracy filled with deception , cover-ups, and murders to conceal the truth about them . Hawkins ability to unravel the truth behind these conspiracies and what terrible fate awaits mankind is nothing short of remarkable .

Hawkins, who many consider to be one of the greatest scientific minds ever , recently organized the largest independant evaluation related to the authenticity of NASA's alleged moon landings of the 1960's and 70's . After completing their 2 year journey of in-depth research , modern day science proves the Apollo Moon Landings , which is believed to be " the greatest achievement of mankind " , was really the greatest hoax of all time . Hawkins decided to publish his findings in this book hoping someday this terrible error in history would be corrected ; believing a lie this big should not live forever .

Whether you believe the astronauts went to the moon or not , you'll still have the time of your life sharing this book with your family , friends, and co-workers and considering the possiblities among yourselves . However, prepare to find yourselves a little scared and judging from Hawkins' findings you should be . "

Sorry postbaguk , but I'm backing Charlie's and Billy's and Ralphie's and Davy's and Jimmy's and Barty's and my horse .... I've never had any reason to doubt that Apollo was a monumental hoax ... And think after I read Charlie's awesome looking book , I will have even more reason not to doubt it ...

I think he's dead.

rofl, nice depiction of a person that died in 1908 but yet be able to write a book about the apollo missions of the 60's and 70's.

Well, if www.charleshawkins.com used to be owned by your Charles Hawkins, let's see what the WayBack machine can dig up.

Go to http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.charleshawkins.com then click on May 20, 2004. Follow the links (you may need to allow pop-ups) and it will direct you to this site:-

http://web.archive.org/web/20050503195419/whizkids.tk/

Well, it's a moon hoax site. Let's look at one of his claims.

With so much evidence contained in Hawkins book proving scientifically the Apollo Moon landings had to been faked, why dont we hear about this stuff on the TV News. If it were anyone other than the American government the news media would be all over NASA about faking the moon landings, its so obvious.

For example take these next set of photos. The two pictures on the left were taken at the Kennedy Space Center during the Apollo Astronauts training. Now if you look closely at the two photos to the right, which NASA claims were taken on the moon it is obvious the images are identical matches.

Wow! He takes a colour picture of EVA training from Apollo 11, changes it to black and white, then claims that NASA say it was taken on the moon! Not the most sophisticated deception in the world... but deception nonetheless. And not by NASA.

EDIT - subsequent investigation lead me to think he didn't manipulate the photos himself, so I withdraw that claim. I just think his interpretation is WAY off the mark...)

Oh, here he claims to have found photos of a cat, a dog and a mouse on the moon too.

http://web.archive.org/web/20050503195419/whizkids.tk/

And this guy is meant to be one of the greatest scientific minds in the world? Give me a break!

straydog - about that horse you were backing... the odds are lengthening!

Have fun reading his book - if it's anything like his website at least you'll get a good laugh out of it!

is there a source that states that he took pictures and changes them to black and white?

Charles Hawkins was recently asked to conduct an in depth evaluation of the NASA Apollo Moon landings and make a scientific evaluation of their legitimacy. He Has over 20 years of experience in the applied sciences, industrial electronics and robotics as well as a degree in computer science.

http://www.777radio.com/ssi/charles_hawkins_bio.shtml

Nope - he is claiming that NASA did this. I'm pretty sure I've seen the colour pictures before - Apollo 11 EVA training. They are not part of the Apollo 11 lunar surface pictures - nor are they claimed to be.

I'll try and find them...

Well, rest assured clavius and bad astronomy will put another addition to their site featuring this person. Mark my words, his scientific analysis and claims will be ripped apart along with the rest. You should wait till at least an investigative journalist shows some evidence that depicts exactly what your claims are expounding upon before accusing him of photographic manipulation.

Err...When I clicked onto Mr. Hawkin's website (at the bottom of the linked interview) this is what I saw. In this case Mr. Hawkins appears to be a Real Estate Agent. So, what's up here? Is Mr. Hawkins a Scientist, or a Real Estate Agent? Where did he work (for 20 years) in applied sciences, industrial electronics, robotics and computer science? And, where did he go to college?

Great, a page that says nothing, and links to Charles Hawkins indeed...

Vice President of Halstead Properties, a high-end New York real estate firm.
He's a real estate agent...


We are now grasping at straws, literally.
I am supposing science didn't work out....so he went into business selling 2 bedroom, 2 million dollar places in Manhattan....

Well, it's probably more lucrative to sell real estate. I'm still interested in knowing where he went to college and about his 20 years experience in applied sciences, industrial electronics, robotics and computer science.

Yeah I was wondering if it was the same person?



A shave? cleaned up from the drugs?




Charles Hawkins
Vice President
Associate Broker
Platinum Circle Member
Member of the Real Estate Board of New York

Charles Hawkins is an exceptionally adept, well spoken and effective real estate professional who combines small-town charm with big-city results. This Manhattan native was raised in Medina, Texas with a population of 450 and no stoplight. Today he is touted for his accomplishments in the fast-paced world of real estate in the most unique, frenetic and wonderful marketplace in the world.

http://www.halstead.com/agent.aspx?id=CFH

If straydog is corretc, then "our" Charles Hawkins sold the domain name to the current owner of the domain.

Which makes sense - the WayBack machine does have some stored pages from the domain a couple of years ago - and was all moon hoax stuff. Looking at the content of the site, if he is a scientific genius, then I'm a Chinaman.

The photographic manipulation...if this is what is in this so-called book, is obvious.
The first set of pictures is artwork, and the second set is in fact EVA training photos. It is obvious.
(you see, the red foot pads give it away...the foot pads were covered in gold leaf on the actual flight certified LMs....good lord)

When putting a picture in a book, or on this page, identify it (mission, magazine, photo number). Of course, this is not done in these photos...because they are not NASA lunar surface photos...


I don't actually think the folks at Clavius or wherever else will need to do anything about Hawkins. All of his claims have already been placed in the meat grinder, ground up, and spit out. There is, and can be nothing new there.