Seraphina
Nov 14 2003, 11:38 AM
Apparantly, the reason why the origonal three movies are cult classics, and the newer ones have terrible scripts and put way too much faith in special effects, is because the script for the origonal was HEAVILY tinkered with by Harrison Ford and the production crew, when they realised that George Lucas' version wasn't really that good.
Looking at George's scripting in episode 1 and 2 (more so 1 than two I guess...), that's not really that hard to believe

Apparantly, fans are asking that the rights for the next film are handed over to Peter Jackson, after he did such a great job directing Lord of the Rings, in hopes that Lucas isn't going to further butcher a classic series.
This, of course, is purely rumour...so sssh!
Athlon64
Nov 14 2003, 11:49 AM
I am not really sure why George Lucas decided to make the three prequels. Other than the obvious (huge amounts of money), you would think that 19 years was sufficient time for anyone to develop something a bit more substantial than a special effects extravaganza with a primary school script.
saxcatz
Nov 14 2003, 09:18 PM
Although Episode I was complete garbage; I found Episode II to be, ALMOST, a credit to the series whose name it bears.
snuffypuffer
Nov 14 2003, 10:34 PM
Personally, I think Lucas was just looking for an excuse to play with all his neat little special effects toys, and the "script" was an afterthought.
Byuu94
Nov 15 2003, 01:28 AM
That rumor seraphina quoted is completely untrue; however lucas went though several scripts before the final one. He originaly planned to make nine movies, but I think he's going to cut it short at six. Lucas had written a good bit of the prequels even before he wrote episode 4. I think lucas was trying to use new ideas in ep. one, but it didn't work out. Although ep. 2 was a great improvement. 3 should be great, a lot of things have to happen. (Anakin fighting obi-wan, Tyrannus and sidious have to die cause they weren't in ep. 4, and palpatine showning his powers, I hope.)
gonzowalker
Nov 16 2003, 06:45 AM
Does anyone know anything about this Supershadow guy? He claims to be good friends with Lucas on his web-site.
here He claims that GL "might" give him the rights to Star Wars in a few years. He has Ep.3 spoilers, but I don't know if this guy is for real.
Oh yeah....The Origional Trilogy rules!
alienmojo
Nov 25 2003, 12:53 AM
I guess I would find the Harrison Ford idea of rewriting the script a bit hard to believe. He was a carpenter at the time of AMERICAN GRAFFITTI when George gave him his big break. I highly doubt that someone, who isn't a writer and owed his carrear to George, would have access to the script, let alone change it.
I was 12 when Star Wars came out. I saw it 14 times in the theatres. I collected everything. I still have the complete set of trading cards too! When Episode one came out I was... lets see... (counting fingers)... 36. I am just saying all this to show what a big fan I was. So when Episode 1 came out I was pretty unhappy. I loved seeing Ben Kenobi as a youngster, but that JAR JAR has to die!
So anyways, I am talking with my younger brother at the time, he was 29 and he tells me something that really made it all click together for me. Star Wars never grew up with the rest of it. George continued to make them for the young viewers, so that is why it wasn't as good for the rest of us. I mean, the kids loved JAR JAR... but most of us older folks hated him.
Then the second one came out with that stupid romance. I hate romance.. sorry. I feel it detracts from the story, but it was necessary in this instance to further the story. As far as the person who said that there were too many special affects I would have to disagree. Had George had the ability to use those effects in the first three he would have. I mean, its Sci-Fi so you have to expect lots of special effects.
I loved the two new movies and I do look forward to the last one.
KayEl
Nov 25 2003, 01:11 AM
There is nothing wrong with romance. The problem with the Attack of the Clones was that, there is no reason why Padme and Anakin should fall in love, and the movie was pulling every trick in the book to get them together. It still didn't work. The love scenes were badly written, I cringed when he said Padme is "intoxicating" and the classic: "I"m agony."
To me they fell in love because it was neccessary to set up Luke and Leia's births, rather than a natural progression of their relationship.
From what I see, there is going to be a huge time gap between the ending of the third movie, and the beginning of the original Star Wars. The third movie will have a lot to explain:]
1)How Anakin turned evil.
2)How the Jedi were decimated.
3)How Threepio lost all his memory, and how come Owen didn't realize he brought back his old droid.
4)How Anakin knew about Luke but not Leia.
5)Why Padme have to hide the twins from Anakin.
6)Why Luke was sent to Owen and Beru.
7)Why Organa was chosen to keep Leia.
8)How Padme died.
The third one is going to be a mess because I get the feeling not all of these questions are going to be answered.
alienmojo
Nov 25 2003, 01:19 AM
| QUOTE (KayEl @ Nov 25 2003, 12:11 AM) |
There is nothing wrong with romance. The problem with the Attack of the Clones was that, there is no reason why Padme and Anakin should fall in love, and the movie was pulling every trick in the book to get them together. It still didn't work. The love scenes were badly written, I cringed when he said Padme is "intoxicating" and the classic: "I"m agony."
To me they fell in love because it was neccessary to set up Luke and Leia's births, rather than a natural progression of their relationship.
From what I see, there is going to be a huge time gap between the ending of the third movie, and the beginning of the original Star Wars. The third movie will have a lot to explain:] 1)How Anakin turned evil. 2)How the Jedi were decimated. 3)How Threepio lost all his memory, and how come Owen didn't realize he brought back his old droid. 4)How Anakin knew about Luke but not Leia. 5)Why Padme have to hide the twins from Anakin. 6)Why Luke was sent to Owen and Beru. 7)Why Organa was chosen to keep Leia. 8)How Padme died.
The third one is going to be a mess because I get the feeling not all of these questions are going to be answered. |
1)How Anakin turned evil.
2)How the Jedi were decimated.
3)How Threepio lost all his memory, and how come Owen didn't realize he brought back his old droid.
4)How Anakin knew about Luke but not Leia.
5)Why Padme have to hide the twins from Anakin.
6)Why Luke was sent to Owen and Beru.
7)Why Organa was chosen to keep Leia.
8)How Padme died.
1) Anakin is already turning evil and the reason is he can't control his temper.
2) Darth Vader goes after each one and kills them.
3) Not sure of this one... when did Owen buy him? Anakin made him. Owen doesn't buy 3PO until Star Wars.
4) Padme keeps leia's birth a secret from everyone to save her and provide what may be their last hope.
5) She hid the twins so he wouldn't kill them.
6) Luke was sent to Owen because Padme believed that that was the last place that Annakin would go looking for Luke... the place where Annakins mom died.
7) To be better explained in the movie.. but my guess would be for safety

My guess: Anakin kills her for hiding the kids.
Blood Angel
Nov 25 2003, 01:36 AM
| QUOTE |
2) Darth Vader goes after each one and kills them.
|
Incorrect, the demise of the jedi, is caused by darth sidious/palpatine he sends his army after each and everyone of them, according to the books anyway. I have had the priviledge of reading a so called "episode 3 script" i read it thru, i won't spoil nothing for you lot, but if its as good as the so-called "script" then it promises to be a big hit and a excellent setup for the next 3 episodes.
gonzowalker
Nov 25 2003, 10:16 AM
Supershadow says that Yoda and Sidious will have a duel

......I'm still not sure about his credibility though
alienmojo
Nov 26 2003, 12:24 AM
whenever I get pissed at Palpatine/Darth Sideous I just go and watch episode 6 and watch the bastard get his at the hands of Darth Vader.
Jedi_Bone
Nov 26 2003, 10:11 AM
personally i dig episodes 1 and 2 and Super Shadow is full of crap, that guy is so false....he always dodges questions an everytime he releases his spoilers, they are the same ones theforce.net releases before him, i used to believe SS when i 1st started visiting his site but the longer ive been going the more i see how fake he is
and episode 3 is gonna rock and the clone wars cartoon kicked major ass
KayEl
Nov 26 2003, 12:29 PM
Well, it is still unfathomable to me that Owen brought Threepio in the original Star Wars and not realize it was the same old droid! Both Threepio and Artoo probably knew who Luke and Leia were and who Anakin became. The question is, why Artoo kept it a secret, and I want to know how Threepio lost his memory and end up serving Leia. As far as I am concerned, Threepio should have nothing to do with the prequels.
But I have to give Lucas credit that he avoided the temptation of somehow getting Hans Solo and Chewbacca involved (like a cameo of when they were younger).
As for Padme, Leia still remember her, so she died at least several years after the birth. Luke it seems, were given away almost immediately.
In any case, when the third episode ends, I'd surmise that several years will past before episode 4, the original Star Wars, will begin.
gonzowalker
Nov 27 2003, 01:55 AM
Chewie is going to be in Episode 3, KayEl. I read that at Starwars.com. I think he was 300 years old or more in the original trilogy, so there wouldn't be much age difference.
Jedi_Bone
Nov 27 2003, 06:49 AM
I think maybe owen didnt reconize Threepio is because when Owen 1st met threepio he didnt have his classic gold coverings from the original trilogy, plus remember in the star wars galaxy there has to be thousands of protocal droids just like threepio thru out the galaxy, we've seen others like him in the backgrounds
or maybe he did reconize threepio because he told luke to take the droids into town first thing in the morning to have their memories erased but who knows,
and i dont think leia is remembering padme i think maybe leia remembers one of padmes hand maidens, or maybe bail organa's wife?
who knows tho, i think GL just writes as he goes and the hard core sw fans find all these plot holes, i dont relly care i still dig the flicks
and when episode 3 ends its supposed to be either 17 or 20 years prior to Episode 4
Bruno
Nov 27 2003, 01:44 PM
| QUOTE (alienmojo @ Nov 25 2003, 12:19 AM) |
| QUOTE (KayEl @ Nov 25 2003, 12:11 AM) | There is nothing wrong with romance. The problem with the Attack of the Clones was that, there is no reason why Padme and Anakin should fall in love, and the movie was pulling every trick in the book to get them together. It still didn't work. The love scenes were badly written, I cringed when he said Padme is "intoxicating" and the classic: "I"m agony."
To me they fell in love because it was neccessary to set up Luke and Leia's births, rather than a natural progression of their relationship.
From what I see, there is going to be a huge time gap between the ending of the third movie, and the beginning of the original Star Wars. The third movie will have a lot to explain:] 1)How Anakin turned evil. 2)How the Jedi were decimated. 3)How Threepio lost all his memory, and how come Owen didn't realize he brought back his old droid. 4)How Anakin knew about Luke but not Leia. 5)Why Padme have to hide the twins from Anakin. 6)Why Luke was sent to Owen and Beru. 7)Why Organa was chosen to keep Leia. 8)How Padme died.
The third one is going to be a mess because I get the feeling not all of these questions are going to be answered. |
1)How Anakin turned evil. 2)How the Jedi were decimated. 3)How Threepio lost all his memory, and how come Owen didn't realize he brought back his old droid. 4)How Anakin knew about Luke but not Leia. 5)Why Padme have to hide the twins from Anakin. 6)Why Luke was sent to Owen and Beru. 7)Why Organa was chosen to keep Leia. 8)How Padme died. 1) Anakin is already turning evil and the reason is he can't control his temper. 2) Darth Vader goes after each one and kills them. 3) Not sure of this one... when did Owen buy him? Anakin made him. Owen doesn't buy 3PO until Star Wars. 4) Padme keeps leia's birth a secret from everyone to save her and provide what may be their last hope. 5) She hid the twins so he wouldn't kill them. 6) Luke was sent to Owen because Padme believed that that was the last place that Annakin would go looking for Luke... the place where Annakins mom died. 7) To be better explained in the movie.. but my guess would be for safety  My guess: Anakin kills her for hiding the kids. |
From some stories i read, novels from the after "Return of the Jedi" period, all the Jedi's are killed on a during a mission to bring the Old Republic and the Jedi ways to the Far end of the galaxy, or somewhere else very far away. They are attacked by the Republican Army, under the orders of Senator Palpatine.
I think that Padmé hid the twins from Anakin so he wouldn't bring them to Palpatine, so they wuldn't be turned into Dark Jedis.
I think Padmé kills herself in order to protect the twins; she could fall under questioning.
I think that "The attack of the clones" ruled, because it brought back the essence of the whole story... great space scenes, astonishing sound, duels, lots of light sabers and lasers, ships, etc... the purpose of the movie is to be entertaining, and that's what i felt when i first saw "Return of the Jedi" when i was 8. I was completely

, but as the years passed by i started losing that side that children have; to be amazed just by looking at something, instead of thinking "that doesn't sound good", "what's this? a story?", " what a bad script!!"!
I liked the 2nd movie because when i entered the theatre i was in a children's mood.
I saw the first one with adult mood, and the movie SUCKED!!
Star Wars should be seen through the eyes of a child, our inner child!!
May the Force be with you all
Seraphina
Nov 27 2003, 04:46 PM
hmm...*sees she started quite a hot topic

* My own thoughts on the newer movies...
I don't think Lucas used too many special effects at all...in fact, the special effects
saved the movies from being absolutely horrible. The script was lousy, and the acting was absolutely wooden...
I look back at the first movies, and for the most part the dialogue was fine, and the actors did a really good job...the new ones (with the exception of Sammual L. Jackson and Christopher Lee) left me wondering if the cast were drugged while they were shooting
To their credit though...they're
entertaining movies...not exactly quality entertainment, but something I wouldn't overly object to sitting down and watching if I saw it was on tv. On the plus side, however, if you were to kill Jar-Jar, almost half the movie's problem would be gone
Benjo Koolzooie
Nov 29 2003, 05:23 PM
I think too much computer generated special effects are used in the new Star Wars movies. In the originals there were matte paintings and models and now, tsk! Just computer generation all over! Sure, in some cases it looks good, but not all over.
Look at the "aliens" masks in TPM and AOTC, (TPM mainly) they appear so cheap and rubbery! Especially when compared to the original triologies alien masks, that looked actually quite realistic and had lots of detail on them.
KayEl
Nov 29 2003, 08:08 PM
Chewbacca is going to be in episode three??????
No no no! Chewbacca should have nothing to with any of this until the original.
Mark my word, when Lucas will find some convoluted way to get Chewbacca involved and in the end, it will become either a gratuitous cameo, or Chewbacca will have amnesia as well.
thepsychoticseaotter
Nov 30 2003, 01:44 AM
To be honest I don't see what all the fuss is over. I liked the original...I liked the two new ones. I can't wait for three.
I think the big problem is GL sacrificed alot of supposed canon to make them more entertaining. I mean its more fun to go into something that will be a surprise than knowing all that will happen.
Byuu94
Dec 1 2003, 02:35 AM
All I know about episode 3 is:
1:Anakin duels Obi-wan, and is knocked into a pit of lava. (this is why he needs a suit to live.)
2:Ben hepls hide the twins, He hides luke on tatooine. (thats why he lives in the dune sea)
3:Consturction of death star will begin.
Han and chewie may be in it, and if they are GL better not mess it up!
OneEye
Dec 7 2003, 03:39 AM
I loved 4, 5, and 6. The way they made 1 and 2 just ruined the whole thing for me. I mean, the way the script was written and the overall thing without special effects were what I liked. I prefer the first versions of 4-6 to the specal edition ones.
thefirstman
Dec 7 2003, 03:55 AM
The Star Wars series was great,i liked the two new ones(although not to a great extent,can never match the old ones)so i dont see how some could call the two new ones a flop,so to speak.
KayEl
Dec 7 2003, 12:21 PM
The two new ones succeeds in the special and visual effects department. But STORY wise and ACTING wise, they sucked.
When will Hollywood realize that all the special effects in the world will not do an ounce of good unless there is a good story to go along with it.
The Lord of the Rings movies succeeded because they have a good story. Granted it was written by Tolkien, they didn't mess with it too much and brought in actors who did the material justice. Just one miscasting would affect the movie, like in the case of Faramir in the Two Towers.
The actors in Phantom and Clones were disposable....they were such cardboard cut outs who were totally dwarf out by the sets and special effects. Whereas Ford, Fisher and Hamill were irreplacable as Solo, Leia, and Luke, I can imagine someone else playing Amidala, Anakin, or even Obi-Wan.
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