If Jesus did indeed return, would he be seen as authentic? Or dismissed as a fake simply because today's society is so paranoid and dillusional?

Currently there are thousands of people claiming to be Jesus. Who's to say he hasn't already been reborn but we aren't aware of it?

I'm not christian, but I find this idea intriguing.

IF it happened, I'm only saying if, we would never accept it right away. The world has become far to skeptical, the general public would never accept the return of Jesus, not to mention the various religions that dont even recognize Jesus as the messiah.

The bible says that there will be many false savious...so everyone may think that the authentic one to be the false one.

yes and no. Have you ever heard about the mark of the beast. Well if so you know where i'm going with this then. The population of people that would know the real christ from the antichrist is very few. Unfortunatetly, thanks to our society. We will never know the truth until it smacks us in the face like a ton of bricks flying through the air. But by then it would be to late. The damage would already have been done. A lot of people would have already been killed by the antichrist or injured by the antichrist. When the real christ comes back to save us all from the antichrist. There would already be damage and sadness across the wole planet Earth. And the very few who knew that the first christ who came was actually the antichrist. Would be the only few left. That's my take on the whole thing. Oh, how I know I can only wish the world was a better place to live in.

If you want to know more about this. Read revelations in the bible. That should beable to shed some light on the subject for you. If not more. Hope that helped and good luck with your studies.

The funny thing is, if he did return, but not in the way that people expect him to, his own followers would be the first to denounce him.

Revelations has been mentioned. Now, if Jesus DID return, but did not "rapture away" the faithful; did not lead an "army of angels"; did not strike down the sinners- but returned and tried to relate his message (again), the fervant christians would be the first to yell "string him up"



Kind of funny the way history repeats itself........

*sighs* coming through.
Alright, Jesus will indeed be recognized be every being on the planet. Revelations is an encoded message sent to only people who could decode it (christians). It was a message of hope for christians being persecuted by the romans, NOT PROPHECY. It is all symbolism. So everybody quit worrying and smile *cocks shotgun* .

*If* he returned,someone like James Randi would probably do his best to prove that he's a fraud.

Of course,that's assuming that he actually exists/existed.

Point taken and agreed, JM. Though you may be surprised that beyond the borders of the U.S, the "rapture" is not strictly a widely held belief (at least, it's not in Australia, as far as I am aware).

Might make a good episode of Outer Limits. I don't think they would string him up they would institutionalize him along all the other Jesus's. Unless he had a good PR man.

Oh, I realize that the "rapture" is mostly anticipated by Americans, but what if Jesus 2nd coming was different from what people expect? I know I'm going to get a slew of "false messiah" posts, but that is exactly my point.

The Jews of Jesus' time rejected him BECAUSE he wasn't the messiah they were waiting for. Or, I should say, he wasn't the right TYPE of messiah. They were awaiting someone who would unite their people and overthrow their oppressors; NOT someone who was telling them they were worshipping wrong.

Most ( please note I said "most") christians seem to be awaiting a Jesus who will usher in the kingdom of god, but what if.......

What if Jesus came back to say that the religion organized in his name was 'OK', but not perfect?

What if he came back to say: "All of the religions of the world, ALL of them, have merit and ALL of them complete the picture I was trying to paint. "

What if he came back, and spoke plainly, without parable, without riddle, and explained exactly what he was saying the first time round?

I had asked this some time ago, on this thread:

Another "what if.....?"

If an atheists say Jesus will be standing on the corner at 12:00, or if a holy roller says the same. Or any evangilist no one will pay any attention. But if Pope Benedict says come see Jesus at 12:00 you can bet some athestists will show up.

the pope would never ever say come and see ,here is jesus .

he would have to give up the power of , and that will show his true self.

Lol nice one.

I bet if Jesus returned, he would be pretty pissed off at all the christians worshiping him and creating idols of him. I would imagine he would go into churches and start destroying the idol, crosses and stuff.

Revelations 22:8
I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. 9But he said to me, "Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers the prophets and of all who keep the words of this book. Worship God!"


dont worship he who bringeth good news, Worship God! ^.^

thats the thing ,those that do will know and those that don't, well will find out the hard way.

thats the thing ,those that do will know and those that don't, well will find out the hard way.

I could just hear millions of people all over the world see him pull off some incredible miricle and having half the crowd say "Hey, great trick...he should take it to vegas and make some dough...", and the other half scream "FAKE!" and talk about how much better Chriss Angel is....

IF it were to happen the guy would have his hands full trying to prove himself, he would have to be pulling off miricles 24/7 to get believers. People are skepticle about such things. 2 millennia ago you could have pulled a coin out behind your nephews ear like every uncle has done at some point and been considered a prophet. Those days are long gone for a vast majority of people. Don't get me wrong, there are still folks that set up a church in their living room when their burned toast looks like the virgin mary, but that is few and far between in the western world.

Lol, nice touch with that last bit. Although i disagree, there are people out there who just want to believe. Give them cause and they will. If the antichrist ever does come, 90% of christians will think hes jesus returned, hell be performing great miracles ect. and since people have been so conditioned to believe that a man can be God, they will believe it. Christians and any other faith that teaches or alludes to 1 man being able to be a God, worthy or worship.

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To respond, I will cop out and quote Edward R. Murrow: "If we were to do the Second Coming of Christ in color for a full hour, there would be a considerable number of stations which would decline to carry it on the grounds that a Western or a quiz show would be more profitable." Substitute that for Survivor, Deal or No Deal, CSI, or one of their fine spinoffs, and you have a 21st century update to that quote.

well it's not if he were to simply return.............but the manner in which he did...u would have no choice but to believe........every eye shall behold him

Doesn't necessarily mean your physical eyes dude. It's probably the third eye of intuition or the dreamstate they're talking about.

Chances are he won't be recognized while alive by most people anyhow. At least, I hope not. It would be better if he stayed hidden or ignorant of his role - for both his sake and ours. Work performed underground can still get done. Besides, if a teachers raises us to become like him, then there are no more followers, just equals. Far better mission IMO.

In the age of Aquarius, who even really gives a sh** anymore anyhow? We want to understand more than be lead as far as I know.

Iz u serius If he is coming from the clouds how will u not see him with ur own 2 eyes?

when jesus was with the multitude of 500 believers who same him ascend they saw with their own 2 eyes
how about you read the bible for urself and then coe back and tell me if it's talking about third of w/e

ain't gon be no dreamstate...iz u serious it's going to be real

Maybe it will maybe it won't. Maybe another two thousand years will pass without his presence.

When he returns do you not think he will die the same way?

wat iz u sayin ^^^ he's not coming back to die

maybe he isn't coming back at all.....

I'd mention the fact that he stated he would return "before this generation ends.....", but then someone would propose that "generation" meant something other than "generation".

Main Entry: gen·er·a·tion
Pronunciation: "je-n&-'rA-sh&n
Function: noun
1 a : a body of living beings constituting a single step in the line of descent from an ancestor b : a group of individuals born and living contemporaneously c : a group of individuals having contemporaneously a status (as that of students in a school) which each one holds only for a limited period d : a type or class of objects usually developed from an earlier type <first of the...new generation of powerful supersonic fighters -- Kenneth Koyen>
2 a : the action or process of producing offspring : PROCREATION b : the process of coming or bringing into being <generation of income> c : origination by a generating process : PRODUCTION; especially : formation of a geometric figure by motion of another
3 : the average span of time between the birth of parents and that of their offspring

How do you know that? Don't underestimate man's power to kill.

I doubt Jesus is coming back in body. Deal with it.

The second coming of Christ is a different matter, though. Those who want to enter the kingdom can do it now, "in the spirit" (as they call it in the Bible), and then live with Christ Consciousness every day of their life. It takes a lot of effort to get there, though. Apparantly it is available to some lucky buggers instantly, but that hasn't been my experience. I'm still working on it.

And yes, it is with their spiritual eyes that everyone (every soul) will see him (or the Buddha, or Krishna, whoever is your preference). But maybe not in this life for each of us.

I think the second comming is going to be -First Contact -with the others that might be sharing the universe with us.

where do u get ur info from.....nobody dies and go staight to heaven

the bible say "EVERY eye shall behold him" the verse continues"and all the kindreds of the earth"
further proof of his visibility "

if jesus gives his followers the signs of his coming "many shall come in my name saying they are christ" do not believe for they will deceivers and false prophets that will "show signs and wonders" for they shall say christ is here or there believe it no

then why would

No, the world won't know Jesus. Last time they expected someone to strike down their eneimies. Jesus came as the lamb.

This time they expect the lamb. They expect forgiveness, and love, and charity.

So why is he bringing his sword?
Does he need something to cut all those Get Out of Hell Free cards?

hmmmmm......

garyo iz u serius he is coming back to destroy sin...and judge the wicked ur post makes no sense u better hit da books read why he is coming back ...google it but just get the info first before u post that dumb s*** ya digg

The yesuah that was will never be again, the message was told, then it was up to us to take it the right direction. I cant see us having done that very well. Look where "money" has brought us...The saddest thing is that even if he was to return, the son of dog would never have the ability to enforce belief upon the will of others...Thus in other words his message of correct would never surface above the economic ego of the once genuine now corrupt {(wait for it)} "governments"...

like the jesus, the mahdi, the batman wont be someone wholl come and make things miraculously better, people are in control of their own destinies, anything that happens is the fault of our own, Look at yourselves instead of looking to any "RELIGION"

also while im there, looking at yourselves as in realizing your sitting there in a castle living like a king, driving yourself anywhere you need to go, and eating some selfishly grown stuff thats been artificialy modified just to grow in the numbers to meet the demanding needs of so many mouths to feed. common theme here?

also whats with people being such pricks to animals , they survive out there with nothing and you have it all, and yet you still choose to kill them for some stupid reason...even at that with such a simple method, THE SIMPLICITY OF MODERN LIFE IS DESTROYING EVERYTHING WHICH IS GOD.............THE MORE LIFE DISPLACED THE MORE NEGATIVE ENERGY BUILDs. i wish i was never born one of us cuz i feel like a hipacrite saying this, however im at least giving my best shot in living as quietly and clean as possible, all i can say is within 25 years ill be fully independent of money and all of moder societys selfish um "values"

im sorry i could have said a little nicer, but **** sugar coating sh**,

U are off topic ma dude

yah come to think of it man, i did go off on a rant...its just i dont know where else to get it all out...lets all blaze a fatty...and then another...

They'd probably stick him in the mental hospital and dope him up anti psychotic drugs

hiding behind rock from flying objects

clover, you hit it right on the button.

it just shows peoples intolerance to logical change,



i feel no benefit to reminding people the obvious factors of all negativity... it can only be seen from certain eyes

also come to think of it, maybe it isnt the corrupt governments , it must just be the people

Cheerio everybody,

If what you speak of were truly real, the same thing would happen as the fairy tale says.
He would be sequestered and killed. By the religious. Their beliefs and faiths have nothing to do with the fairy tale guys message.

Jesus is symbolic for the timeless spirit within all of creation. He was a medicant who achieved salvation via denial of egotistic selfness. He will never return because he never has never left us. The he isn't a carnal entity but a pure spiritual substance which is the essence of our being and all beings whether animated or inanimate. Jesus simply showed that everyone can attain it as long as they have faith in God however you concieve to be.

But man does need God. Vedanta defines God as Brahman, which is beyond all duality, plurality and beyond all categories of thought; yet including these. But the Vedantic concept of God is difficult for the common man to understand. It is beyond those who are incapable of abstract thinking, for it is impossible for them to establish an effective living relationship with what is formless, infinite, transcendent, that Brahman is. Such people need a personal God with whom they establish a personal relationship- a father, mother, master, goddess, beloved, friend. Lord Krishna, a human incarnation of God, is closer to the heart of common man than Brahman could be. For unless the infinite is conceived in the finite form of a personal God, devotion will be lacking in depth and intensity. The senses need a form, a concrete something that can be held, touched and adored. (Sudhakar S.D, 1988. p54)


The worship of the form of jesus is there to help you transcend form to the abstract. As jesus himself says: God is spirit which must be worshipped in spirit.

If you have faith eventually you'll get to the same level(if i dare word it so) as jesus himself.

The reception would really depend on two things: How he returned, and who he claimed to be.

For example, let's say that Jesus returns Left Behind style; at the head of a massive group of angels, in huge glory, while thundering out words and sermons that tear the bodies of unbelievers and enemies of God apart. In this case, most people would be immediately aware that this Jesus, whoever he is, is a mighty powerful being, and they probably would be quick to believe his claims to be the Messiah.

On the other hand, let's take the opposite tack. Suppose Jesus were to return as a humble man, a 'carpentar' (which is actually a turn-of-phrase that meant "someone who worked with their hands"), and didn't announce his name (for a comparative example, look up John Coffey in Stephen King's The Green Mile). Depending on where he appeared, people would believe different things about him. Suppose, for example, he appeared in the middle of Somalia. Assuming he wasn't killed, he'd probably pick up a quick reputation as a miracle-worker, and stories of him might filter back to the more developed nations (which would almost certainly include an enormous degree of distortion). On the other hand, if he appeared in the middle of suburban San Diego, then most likely a cult would quickly form around him, with skeptics asking for tests of his powers.

So your saying that you actually look forward to consorting with parasites?

why would u ppl suggest something totally different when the proof is in writing
like I said go read get ya knowledge up den come back

quote "Jesus which is taken up from you into heaven,shall so come in the manner as ye have seen him go"--proof enough

who da hell deleted my post ?

so what makes your holy book any more accurate than any other holy book?
Because it says it is? Hardly conclusive from this readers standpoint.

When people get serious about Jesus I just start singing this:

Jesus Is Just Alright
The Doobie Brothers
Music & Lyrics : A. Reynolds

Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doo doo

Jesus is just alright with me
Jesus is just alright, oh yeah
Jesus is just alright with me
Jesus is just alright

I don't care what they may say
I don't care what they may do
I don't care what they may say
Jesus is just alright, oh yeah
Jesus is just alright

Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
Doo doo doo doo doo doo

Jesus is just alright with me
Jesus is just alright, oh yeah
Jesus is just alright with me
Jesus is just alright

I don't care what they may know
I don't care where they may go
I don't care where they may go
Jesus is just alright, oh yeah !

Jesus, he's my friend
I said Jesus, he's my friend
He took me by the hand
He let me far from this land
Jesus, he's my friend !

Jesus is just alright with me
Jesus is just alright, oh yeah
Jesus is just alright with me
Jesus is just alright

I don't care what they may say
I don't care what they may do
I don't care what they may say
Jesus is just alright, oh yeah


Yeah man Jesus is just alright!~@!

I'm pretty sure if jesus returned we would all know the difference.

thank u ^^^^

I don't want Jesus to return. I want a better and improved version. One that's secretive and less willing to divulge his identity openly. I'd actually prefer it if he didn't even fully realize who he himself was. Nothing scares me more today than the sheer mass of people willing to throw themselves at the feet of anyone who appears "spiritual" and good natured. If it ever happens on a worldwide scale, prepare for war, because one wouldn't take too long to start after that. I think that Jesus (or his replacer) will be smart enough to stay hidden or at least deny any exclusive divinity over others. If anything, he'd relinquish his power and control and prefer to work on the sidelines - quietly helping raise other people rather than lord it over others. Now THAT's humility. Any jackass can surrender to ego and proclaim himself King. Only a true king would renounce the title and give it back to the masses.

Mind you, I think this is pretty much what he did in his last life anyhow, but the Christians exagerated it all to hell. Anything for power and control.

Only the close minded people wouldn't believe.

Jesus suffered and died on the cross for you sins and yet you mock him!

You will answer to Him on judgement day. Will you tell Him to his face that you heard his message and believed not?



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