I have sat through countless religous classes, services, retreats, and so on. I have always wondered what a Christian belief on Marijuana is. I have neevr recieved a conclusive response. I know alcohol is accepted and it is prefered that you wait until you can legally consume it. I have never heard about Weed though. Im sure a common belief is that since it is illegal one should not do it.
Heres my thought: Marijuana is all natural. Sure it can be flavored and what not, but you can grow it, harvest, then smoke it. Almost everyother drug must be manufactured and have things added to it in some way or another. Weed is like and apple, it is exactly how it is as you use it as it was when you harvested it. Beer and ciggarettes have many more chemicals and must be produced in certain ways to get the deisred effect. In the story of Adam and Eve they were given to rights of the whole garden which had everything in it. The were told they could not eat the fruit of a certain tree. Is this tree marijuana? I know it says apple, but i am lookin for a deeper meaning. If it is not I dont understand the problem.
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QUOTE(mailboy @ Dec 20 2006, 11:43 AM) [snapback]1469034[/snapback]
I have sat through countless religous classes, services, retreats, and so on. I have always wondered what a Christian belief on Marijuana is. I have neevr recieved a conclusive response. I know alcohol is accepted and it is prefered that you wait until you can legally consume it. I have never heard about Weed though. Im sure a common belief is that since it is illegal one should not do it.
Heres my thought: Marijuana is all natural. Sure it can be flavored and what not, but you can grow it, harvest, then smoke it. Almost everyother drug must be manufactured and have things added to it in some way or another. Weed is like and apple, it is exactly how it is as you use it as it was when you harvested it. Beer and ciggarettes have many more chemicals and must be produced in certain ways to get the deisred effect. In the story of Adam and Eve they were given to rights of the whole garden which had everything in it. The were told they could not eat the fruit of a certain tree. Is this tree marijuana? I know it says apple, but i am lookin for a deeper meaning. If it is not I dont understand the problem.
Heres my thought: Marijuana is all natural. Sure it can be flavored and what not, but you can grow it, harvest, then smoke it. Almost everyother drug must be manufactured and have things added to it in some way or another. Weed is like and apple, it is exactly how it is as you use it as it was when you harvested it. Beer and ciggarettes have many more chemicals and must be produced in certain ways to get the deisred effect. In the story of Adam and Eve they were given to rights of the whole garden which had everything in it. The were told they could not eat the fruit of a certain tree. Is this tree marijuana? I know it says apple, but i am lookin for a deeper meaning. If it is not I dont understand the problem.
I have never bought into the concept that natural equals a good thing. After all arsenic is a purely naturally occurring substance. But I would not recommend sprinkling it on your corn flakes.
The subject of illegal drug use on UM is a very sensitive issue and I can almost guarantee that this thread will have a limited lifespan. Because we do not tolerate issues that are of an illegal nature in most parts of the world. And as soon as a poster advocates the use of an illegal substance the thread will be closed. So tread very carefully here!
As for a Christian perspective any mind altering substance is an escape from reality and is therefore not a good thing. To my knowledge there are no scriptures specifically addressing cannabis period. But that does not make it right.
Irish
A Christian's solution to life's problems is Christ. Why would he resort to intoxicants? For a Christian, there is no problem that Christ can't handle, and so there is no need for mind-altering drugs.
The strength of sin is the law.....remember the saying: If your told not to touch the hot stove, what do you do? You touch it....
I am a Christian and I see marijuana as just a way to escape reality sometimes. I don't smoke, but I don't God looks down and points his finger if anyone does it. I think it may just hinder someones judgement and could take you off a path that God wants for you. But I don't think its something that is looked upon as bad, unless your an authority figure.
I am a Christian and I see marijuana as just a way to escape reality sometimes. I don't smoke, but I don't God looks down and points his finger if anyone does it. I think it may just hinder someones judgement and could take you off a path that God wants for you. But I don't think its something that is looked upon as bad, unless your an authority figure.
From a Christian POV, there is no passage that specifically speaks against canabis. There are passages though that deal with how a Christian should conduct themselves. Specifically, that Christians should submit themselves to the earthly authorities, obeying the laws of the land in which they live (the only exception to these rules is when the law of the land directly contradict's God's law, but that's for a different discussion, I think). And in most areas, one of these laws is that marijuana is illegal. Therefore, the legality and harmfulness of cigarette's and alcohol aside, the Christian should obey the laws of the land in which they live, which forbids the taking of marijuana.
And from a personal viewpoint, if they ever do legalize it, I wouldn't take it anyway. That's my personal opinion based on experience of what pot can do, and for my mind, is a perfectly good reason why it's illegal in the first place.
Oh, and just to clarify for mailboy - nowhere in the Bible does it say Adam and Eve at an apple. It refers only to "fruit". It's popular tradition only that makes this fruit an apple
And from a personal viewpoint, if they ever do legalize it, I wouldn't take it anyway. That's my personal opinion based on experience of what pot can do, and for my mind, is a perfectly good reason why it's illegal in the first place.
Oh, and just to clarify for mailboy - nowhere in the Bible does it say Adam and Eve at an apple. It refers only to "fruit". It's popular tradition only that makes this fruit an apple
As jesus says, it's what comes out of our mouths that defiles the spirit not what goes into it.
QUOTE(branbran @ Dec 21 2006, 08:27 AM) [snapback]1469328[/snapback]
The strength of sin is the law.....remember the saying: If your told not to touch the hot stove, what do you do? You touch it....
I am a Christian and I see marijuana as just a way to escape reality sometimes. I don't smoke, but I don't God looks down and points his finger if anyone does it. I think it may just hinder someones judgement and could take you off a path that God wants for you. But I don't think its something that is looked upon as bad, unless your an authority figure.
I am a Christian and I see marijuana as just a way to escape reality sometimes. I don't smoke, but I don't God looks down and points his finger if anyone does it. I think it may just hinder someones judgement and could take you off a path that God wants for you. But I don't think its something that is looked upon as bad, unless your an authority figure.
Nah no way, god doesn't care if if you smoke pot only if it makes you do bad things. If you can smoke pot and still love god with all your heart and your neighbour as yourself then you should be fine.
brave new world is right i think.
smoke, eat ,drink and be happy enjoy your life and help others to enjoy theirs and then if god exists and wants to punish you.
then at least you know in your heart youve hurt noone. better then being a person who always compares and judges others, and who never smokes weed or drinks or any other vices (that they let others see anyway)
smoke, eat ,drink and be happy enjoy your life and help others to enjoy theirs and then if god exists and wants to punish you.
then at least you know in your heart youve hurt noone. better then being a person who always compares and judges others, and who never smokes weed or drinks or any other vices (that they let others see anyway)
Thank you for the responses. Marijuana is not only used to escape reality, more often than not it is used to enhance reality. It truly opened my mind and I feel like a more complete person. Myabe because i have more experience and more of a base for understanding with others. Like Ben Harper sang "Your choice is who you choose to be and if your causing no harm than your alright with me." Wine in excess is a mind altering substance, so i guess it comes down to the individual and their heart rather than what they consume.
QUOTE(mailboy @ Dec 20 2006, 06:43 PM) [snapback]1469034[/snapback]
I have sat through countless religous classes, services, retreats, and so on. I have always wondered what a Christian belief on Marijuana is. I have neevr recieved a conclusive response. I know alcohol is accepted and it is prefered that you wait until you can legally consume it. I have never heard about Weed though. Im sure a common belief is that since it is illegal one should not do it.
Heres my thought: Marijuana is all natural. Sure it can be flavored and what not, but you can grow it, harvest, then smoke it. Almost everyother drug must be manufactured and have things added to it in some way or another. Weed is like and apple, it is exactly how it is as you use it as it was when you harvested it. Beer and ciggarettes have many more chemicals and must be produced in certain ways to get the deisred effect. In the story of Adam and Eve they were given to rights of the whole garden which had everything in it. The were told they could not eat the fruit of a certain tree. Is this tree marijuana? I know it says apple, but i am lookin for a deeper meaning. If it is not I dont understand the problem.
Heres my thought: Marijuana is all natural. Sure it can be flavored and what not, but you can grow it, harvest, then smoke it. Almost everyother drug must be manufactured and have things added to it in some way or another. Weed is like and apple, it is exactly how it is as you use it as it was when you harvested it. Beer and ciggarettes have many more chemicals and must be produced in certain ways to get the deisred effect. In the story of Adam and Eve they were given to rights of the whole garden which had everything in it. The were told they could not eat the fruit of a certain tree. Is this tree marijuana? I know it says apple, but i am lookin for a deeper meaning. If it is not I dont understand the problem.
as far as pot this plant would be for the more of the preist side when in the presents of our god the father .
the oinointing oil contains 9 lb of weed with 7 quarts of hind olive oil and cinnomins and spices and every thing nices.
and yes this is the fruit that made adam and eve's eye's become wide and they could see good and evil for what they are
Genesis 1:11 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so."
Genesis 3:18 "... thou shalt eat the herb of the field."
Proverbs 15:17 "Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, than a stalled ox and hatred therewith."
Psalms 104:14 "He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man."
well those who do use it .......such as my fellow jamaicans often use these scriptures to back it's use..and according to history cannibas was the first plant to grow on king solomons grave...and as mentioned before it could be used for religious enlightenment .............trillz
Genesis 3:18 "... thou shalt eat the herb of the field."
Proverbs 15:17 "Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, than a stalled ox and hatred therewith."
Psalms 104:14 "He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man."
well those who do use it .......such as my fellow jamaicans often use these scriptures to back it's use..and according to history cannibas was the first plant to grow on king solomons grave...and as mentioned before it could be used for religious enlightenment .............trillz
QUOTE(mailboy @ Dec 20 2006, 10:43 AM) [snapback]1469034[/snapback]
I have sat through countless religous classes, services, retreats, and so on. I have always wondered what a Christian belief on Marijuana is. I have neevr recieved a conclusive response. I know alcohol is accepted and it is prefered that you wait until you can legally consume it. I have never heard about Weed though. Im sure a common belief is that since it is illegal one should not do it.
Heres my thought: Marijuana is all natural. Sure it can be flavored and what not, but you can grow it, harvest, then smoke it. Almost everyother drug must be manufactured and have things added to it in some way or another. Weed is like and apple, it is exactly how it is as you use it as it was when you harvested it. Beer and ciggarettes have many more chemicals and must be produced in certain ways to get the deisred effect. In the story of Adam and Eve they were given to rights of the whole garden which had everything in it. The were told they could not eat the fruit of a certain tree. Is this tree marijuana? I know it says apple, but i am lookin for a deeper meaning. If it is not I dont understand the problem.
Heres my thought: Marijuana is all natural. Sure it can be flavored and what not, but you can grow it, harvest, then smoke it. Almost everyother drug must be manufactured and have things added to it in some way or another. Weed is like and apple, it is exactly how it is as you use it as it was when you harvested it. Beer and ciggarettes have many more chemicals and must be produced in certain ways to get the deisred effect. In the story of Adam and Eve they were given to rights of the whole garden which had everything in it. The were told they could not eat the fruit of a certain tree. Is this tree marijuana? I know it says apple, but i am lookin for a deeper meaning. If it is not I dont understand the problem.
Do it in moderation if you can. If you know that you do not have that kind of will power avoid it. Same with alcohol. Jesus drank wine. It says do not drink into drunkeness. A lot of people see Christian things as to strict when they have the wrong idea. Like with homosexuality. It is not a sin to be a homosexual but to participate in a homosexual act. It is not a sin to do a lot of things, it's when you misuse those things.
soul slayer u on point with it
Even when I did smoke pot as a teen (27 now, completely sober), I never once considered it an escape from reality, nor did I perceive that's what was happening with my friends. Is it unrealistic to experience joy, laughter, etc. to a different degree?
A point was brought up that it was a natural substance,well the high is a natural response to the toxin, so you doen't escape reality....you experience more. Why it is illegal is beyond me. Another thing mishandled in society because of fear and ignorance. As far as I know NO ONE has EVER died from marijuana use. That can't be said for other drugs, conflicting ideals, and religion. Don't worry about something that doesn't feel wrong.
A point was brought up that it was a natural substance,well the high is a natural response to the toxin, so you doen't escape reality....you experience more. Why it is illegal is beyond me. Another thing mishandled in society because of fear and ignorance. As far as I know NO ONE has EVER died from marijuana use. That can't be said for other drugs, conflicting ideals, and religion. Don't worry about something that doesn't feel wrong.
Was there even pot smokers back then? I know there was alcohol. Which sucks, because apparently I'm going to go to Hell for drinking a Sam Adams, etc on Christmas day.
never heardof "christains" accepting/allowing alchol...yes jesus drunk it truned water into wine and it text states that to drink wine for the stomachs sake..how much is the question does it take for the stomachs sake...i dont no just asking.....if you look and read and really want to know the answer to your post...then youll find it..............But if your just trying to find a reason to state and feel comfortable with it being acceptable then thats probably what youll find with most of the post on this thread...but in the bible its not acceptable...no where does it say it is...actually the opposite....
1corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the tmeple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, whihc ye have of God, and ye are notyour own?
1corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of god, him shall God destroy, for th t temple of god is holy, which tmeply ye are
proverbs 20:1 wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging,, and whosever is deceived thereby is not wise..
proverbs 21:17 He that loveth pleasure shall be a poor man he that loveth wine and oil shall not be rich..
just a very few verses that state against being in a state of mind where your no responsive unto the spirit of god.
if your are trying/seeking/searching for god then you wouldnt wont any hinderance in the way....since your body is the temple inwhich the Spirit of God dwells in...thats like hanging onto the ways of the flesh ...if you are sincer in seeking and wanting to live for god then you would not want to hang on to the ways of the old...for the flesh is displeasing to god...pleasing the flesh is displease to god and is not in the will of god...actually if you are going to live for god then you will sacrfice the flesh ...which is giving up those things which are a pleasure........so to speak..
you cant make find excuseing to fit the things that you like and want to do in gods will..that just dont happen...if your looking for a reason do these things then the bible wont tell you you can and be "saved" thats where the word Repent comes in ...meaning a turning away/around/putting down..
just my opioion
1corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the tmeple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, whihc ye have of God, and ye are notyour own?
1corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of god, him shall God destroy, for th t temple of god is holy, which tmeply ye are
proverbs 20:1 wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging,, and whosever is deceived thereby is not wise..
proverbs 21:17 He that loveth pleasure shall be a poor man he that loveth wine and oil shall not be rich..
just a very few verses that state against being in a state of mind where your no responsive unto the spirit of god.
if your are trying/seeking/searching for god then you wouldnt wont any hinderance in the way....since your body is the temple inwhich the Spirit of God dwells in...thats like hanging onto the ways of the flesh ...if you are sincer in seeking and wanting to live for god then you would not want to hang on to the ways of the old...for the flesh is displeasing to god...pleasing the flesh is displease to god and is not in the will of god...actually if you are going to live for god then you will sacrfice the flesh ...which is giving up those things which are a pleasure........so to speak..
you cant make find excuseing to fit the things that you like and want to do in gods will..that just dont happen...if your looking for a reason do these things then the bible wont tell you you can and be "saved" thats where the word Repent comes in ...meaning a turning away/around/putting down..
just my opioion
I don't understand how those proverbs quotes relate to the corinthians quotes. The corinthians quotes are declarations of gods will...the proverbs quotes are ... well.......proverbs.
Any natural intoxicant that is legal, is allowed in Holy Scripture. However, that doesn't make it good for you.
The apostle Paul wrote ...
"All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful;" (I Corinthians 10:23)
That pretty much sums up my life's experience.
The apostle Paul wrote ...
"All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful;" (I Corinthians 10:23)
That pretty much sums up my life's experience.
QUOTE(Zackeous @ Dec 23 2006, 09:27 AM) [snapback]1472081[/snapback]
I don't understand how those proverbs quotes relate to the corinthians quotes. The corinthians quotes are declarations of gods will...the proverbs quotes are ... well.......proverbs.
all books in the bible are correspondant one to another..........the book of proverbs is a guide........very important book one in which all should start off to reading...
correspondance has nothing to do with a statemant of gods will. As you stated, proverbs is a guide, just like many are still. A guide is not the same as a dictation....that's what I meant.
QUOTE(Zackeous @ Dec 23 2006, 10:53 AM) [snapback]1472153[/snapback]
correspondance has nothing to do with a statemant of gods will. As you stated, proverbs is a guide, just like many are still. A guide is not the same as a dictation....that's what I meant.
im sry i have no idea what your trying to say....but isnt the whole entire bible a Guide?
QUOTE(sbradj @ Dec 23 2006, 06:20 AM) [snapback]1472078[/snapback]
never heardof "christains" accepting/allowing alchol...yes jesus drunk it truned water into wine and it text states that to drink wine for the stomachs sake..how much is the question does it take for the stomachs sake...i dont no just asking.....if you look and read and really want to know the answer to your post...then youll find it..............But if your just trying to find a reason to state and feel comfortable with it being acceptable then thats probably what youll find with most of the post on this thread...but in the bible its not acceptable...no where does it say it is...actually the opposite....
1corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the tmeple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, whihc ye have of God, and ye are notyour own?
1corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of god, him shall God destroy, for th t temple of god is holy, which tmeply ye are
proverbs 20:1 wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging,, and whosever is deceived thereby is not wise..
proverbs 21:17 He that loveth pleasure shall be a poor man he that loveth wine and oil shall not be rich..
just a very few verses that state against being in a state of mind where your no responsive unto the spirit of god.
if your are trying/seeking/searching for god then you wouldnt wont any hinderance in the way....since your body is the temple inwhich the Spirit of God dwells in...thats like hanging onto the ways of the flesh ...if you are sincer in seeking and wanting to live for god then you would not want to hang on to the ways of the old...for the flesh is displeasing to god...pleasing the flesh is displease to god and is not in the will of god...actually if you are going to live for god then you will sacrfice the flesh ...which is giving up those things which are a pleasure........so to speak..
you cant make find excuseing to fit the things that you like and want to do in gods will..that just dont happen...if your looking for a reason do these things then the bible wont tell you you can and be "saved" thats where the word Repent comes in ...meaning a turning away/around/putting down..
just my opioion
1corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the tmeple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, whihc ye have of God, and ye are notyour own?
1corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of god, him shall God destroy, for th t temple of god is holy, which tmeply ye are
proverbs 20:1 wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging,, and whosever is deceived thereby is not wise..
proverbs 21:17 He that loveth pleasure shall be a poor man he that loveth wine and oil shall not be rich..
just a very few verses that state against being in a state of mind where your no responsive unto the spirit of god.
if your are trying/seeking/searching for god then you wouldnt wont any hinderance in the way....since your body is the temple inwhich the Spirit of God dwells in...thats like hanging onto the ways of the flesh ...if you are sincer in seeking and wanting to live for god then you would not want to hang on to the ways of the old...for the flesh is displeasing to god...pleasing the flesh is displease to god and is not in the will of god...actually if you are going to live for god then you will sacrfice the flesh ...which is giving up those things which are a pleasure........so to speak..
you cant make find excuseing to fit the things that you like and want to do in gods will..that just dont happen...if your looking for a reason do these things then the bible wont tell you you can and be "saved" thats where the word Repent comes in ...meaning a turning away/around/putting down..
just my opioion
Personally I don't see anywhere in the Bible that says one should not drink. Drinking so much to where you become drunk would be defiling the temple, as in the verse you above stated.
exactly
QUOTE(sbradj @ Dec 23 2006, 10:50 AM) [snapback]1472214[/snapback]
im sry i have no idea what your trying to say....but isnt the whole entire bible a Guide?
I've always perceived it as a guide. However, you stated that the bible is the truth. What I'm getting at, is any guide, isn't necessarily true. Proverbs are essentially guides in the sense of advice, but those Corinthians verses are direct dictations as per the will of god(truth). I have read many guides that weren't correct. To add to it, advice is usually subjective for both the reader/listener and writer/speaker.
QUOTE(Zackeous @ Dec 23 2006, 12:31 PM) [snapback]1472255[/snapback]
I've always perceived it as a guide. However, you stated that the bible is the truth. What I'm getting at, is any guide, isn't necessarily true. Proverbs are essentially guides in the sense of advice, but those Corinthians verses are direct dictations as per the will of god(truth). I have read many guides that weren't correct. To add to it, advice is usually subjective for both the reader/listener and writer/speaker.
So is proverbs....if it wasnt the will of god it would not be in his word...who wrote proverbs? why was it so important?
maybe the answer to that question is because it lays out how a christian/follower of god should act/behave/be aware of the way god expects them to be....
QUOTE(mailboy @ Dec 20 2006, 02:43 PM) [snapback]1469034[/snapback]
I have sat through countless religous classes, services, retreats, and so on. I have always wondered what a Christian belief on Marijuana is. I have neevr recieved a conclusive response. I know alcohol is accepted and it is prefered that you wait until you can legally consume it. I have never heard about Weed though. Im sure a common belief is that since it is illegal one should not do it.
Heres my thought: Marijuana is all natural. Sure it can be flavored and what not, but you can grow it, harvest, then smoke it. Almost everyother drug must be manufactured and have things added to it in some way or another. Weed is like and apple, it is exactly how it is as you use it as it was when you harvested it. Beer and ciggarettes have many more chemicals and must be produced in certain ways to get the deisred effect. In the story of Adam and Eve they were given to rights of the whole garden which had everything in it. The were told they could not eat the fruit of a certain tree. Is this tree marijuana? I know it says apple, but i am lookin for a deeper meaning. If it is not I dont understand the problem.
Heres my thought: Marijuana is all natural. Sure it can be flavored and what not, but you can grow it, harvest, then smoke it. Almost everyother drug must be manufactured and have things added to it in some way or another. Weed is like and apple, it is exactly how it is as you use it as it was when you harvested it. Beer and ciggarettes have many more chemicals and must be produced in certain ways to get the deisred effect. In the story of Adam and Eve they were given to rights of the whole garden which had everything in it. The were told they could not eat the fruit of a certain tree. Is this tree marijuana? I know it says apple, but i am lookin for a deeper meaning. If it is not I dont understand the problem.
I'm going to respond to this post, and this post only...I read the first reply and it scared me off from reading the others
Anyway, I can't remember where, but in the Bible it says the laws of man are the laws of the lord, and that both are to be obeyed as the same. But I can't blindly accept that. Sure alcohol was illegal at one point (prohibition) so if I drank then I was unholy and if I drink now it's ok? I'm pretty sure God wouldn't work that way. The fact that cigarettes and alcohol are legal and marijuana is illegal has nothing to do with morals and holiness. It has to do with politics and business...and both of those things can stay far away from religion IMHO. So puff away, it's probably a gift from God to his people.
sbradj, I have a problem with some of those quotes because i do not see a strong link between them and the discussion. In what way does marijuana deflie a body that is disrespectful to God. Also, I interpret the wine proverb differently. It seems more that it is saying to be careful of temptations while drunk or by those who are drunk rather than: Do Not Drink. Occasional use is far from love. Love in this case seems more like addiction or a dependance. You can enjoy these things without becoming "in love" with them. The bible is a guide that heavily relies on your own hearts interpretation.
Re: Proverbs. This book is a collection of wisdom sayings, and while no one knows for sure who wrote it, the text is attributed to King Solomon by most theologians. They are a series of one-liner quotes (well, the latter half of the book is, at least) that provide principles on how to live a prosperous and godly life. And while many of the quotes do provide good suggestions on how to live, they are not necessarily commands to live as such.
~ Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves (Romans 13:1-2).
I agree that God is saying that the laws of man are established by God. That we are to submit to man's law in the same way we submit to God's law. But I do not believe you can make the leap that this is saying that the laws of man are the laws of God.
QUOTE(Test Subject @ Dec 24 2006, 05:41 AM) [snapback]1472313[/snapback]
Anyway, I can't remember where, but in the Bible it says the laws of man are the laws of the lord, and that both are to be obeyed as the same.
DO you perhaps refer to this passage here?~ Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves (Romans 13:1-2).
I agree that God is saying that the laws of man are established by God. That we are to submit to man's law in the same way we submit to God's law. But I do not believe you can make the leap that this is saying that the laws of man are the laws of God.
QUOTE(mailboy @ Dec 20 2006, 01:43 PM) [snapback]1469034[/snapback]
I have sat through countless religous classes, services, retreats, and so on. I have always wondered what a Christian belief on Marijuana is. I have neevr recieved a conclusive response. I know alcohol is accepted and it is prefered that you wait until you can legally consume it. I have never heard about Weed though. Im sure a common belief is that since it is illegal one should not do it.
Heres my thought: Marijuana is all natural. Sure it can be flavored and what not, but you can grow it, harvest, then smoke it. Almost everyother drug must be manufactured and have things added to it in some way or another. Weed is like and apple, it is exactly how it is as you use it as it was when you harvested it. Beer and ciggarettes have many more chemicals and must be produced in certain ways to get the deisred effect. In the story of Adam and Eve they were given to rights of the whole garden which had everything in it. The were told they could not eat the fruit of a certain tree. Is this tree marijuana? I know it says apple, but i am lookin for a deeper meaning. If it is not I dont understand the problem.
Heres my thought: Marijuana is all natural. Sure it can be flavored and what not, but you can grow it, harvest, then smoke it. Almost everyother drug must be manufactured and have things added to it in some way or another. Weed is like and apple, it is exactly how it is as you use it as it was when you harvested it. Beer and ciggarettes have many more chemicals and must be produced in certain ways to get the deisred effect. In the story of Adam and Eve they were given to rights of the whole garden which had everything in it. The were told they could not eat the fruit of a certain tree. Is this tree marijuana? I know it says apple, but i am lookin for a deeper meaning. If it is not I dont understand the problem.
Actually marijuana has to be produced in certain ways to get the desired effect. Hemp is marijuana with no thc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp
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sbradj, I have a problem with some of those quotes because i do not see a strong link between them and the discussion. In what way does marijuana deflie a body that is disrespectful to God. Also, I interpret the wine proverb differently. It seems more that it is saying to be careful of temptations while drunk or by those who are drunk rather than: Do Not Drink. Occasional use is far from love. Love in this case seems more like addiction or a dependance. You can enjoy these things without becoming "in love" with them. The bible is a guide that heavily relies on your own hearts interpretation.
the bible says there is no private interpretation to the scriptures.if you are going to live a ''godly'' lifestyle we can use all scripture in the bible for direction in so.,whether it be proverbs or romans (which also has text reffering to any stumbling blocks)look into the priesthood or daniel....if you didnt "love" it you wouldnt smoke it/drink it...as for the smoking part probaly unfindable in text,,,sure its used as meds...and no "deaths" labeled by it...but look at the resin buildup in your lungs as you inhale smoke you do damage too the lungs (which is part of the temple) smoldering inner flesh...might not cause the damage as tabacco...but still causes damage...defiling the temple...though proverbs is not a commandment...still guildlines ...no man was before...or will be after with the knowlege and wisdom as king soloman had/wrote...was of divine inspirtation like the rest of scriptures ...romans 15:4...for whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the sciptures might have hope......
Angels come from heaven. Heaven is in the clouds. Jesus and God are therefore high.
The eebil Devil lives underground. He's low.
If you don't want to feel low, get high.
Don't follow that advice...
The eebil Devil lives underground. He's low.
If you don't want to feel low, get high.
Don't follow that advice...
Marijuana does not need to be smoked to get the effects. Also, it does not say there is private interpretation, but what makes your interpretations right. "If you didnt love it you wouldnt smoke/drink it." I dont see where this is coming from. I enjoy it, but not dependant on them. Your definition of "loving" seems very off to me.
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Marijuana does not need to be smoked to get the effects. Also, it does not say there is private interpretation, but what makes your interpretations right. "If you didnt love it you wouldnt smoke/drink it." I dont see where this is coming from. I enjoy it, but not dependant on them. Your definition of "loving" seems very off to me.
really? your saying that the bible, does not say that, there is no private interpretation?...........2peter1:20.............Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.....
thats the scripture ..not my words..thought..opionion..but devine word..take it for what it is..
dont know many ppl that eat marijuana to get the effects..
theres a term for beleifs such as the ones youve stated...fundamentalist....
dependant/enjoy/love/like/occasionally/sometimes/verylittle/somewhat/.etc....kinda like being straddled across a fence..
Water was turned to Wine.....Drinking is not a sin, Getting sloppy drunk wasted is...when your drunk, we do things we regret....acting a fool, bringing up the past, etc, etc,..I doubt getting buzzed will land you in hell..I also doubt the occasional black out will too...
Its your relation ship with christ that matters.
As for weed...If you can quit do it. If not You will not go to hell.
I beat myself up for years with My Christian Beleifes while bound to my Sinfull habbits. Just recently I spoke with a Preacher and I finally got the answer I can live with in comfort.
All men will fall short of the glory of GOD. We will all fall short as sinners. Man can not get in to heaven by his works, but only by the grace of GOD our we saved and allowed in to the kingdom. Its whats in our hearts and Faith..faith alone..When you asked GOD to forgive you for your sins, He did. But he can only die on the cross Once. So when we continue to ask him over and over because we sin over and over, Its pointless....You were all ready forgivven when you asked the 1st time. your Faith is what gets you in there, The Grace of GOD...Not your works, how ever your works will gwt you crowns and mansions in heaven. Thats the Bonus.
This is what i was told, and I stick with it. I try to do my best, but when i slip up and sin...I will no longer damn myself to Hell , Only god can do that and he promised me salvation when I bacame his child.
Its your relation ship with christ that matters.
As for weed...If you can quit do it. If not You will not go to hell.
I beat myself up for years with My Christian Beleifes while bound to my Sinfull habbits. Just recently I spoke with a Preacher and I finally got the answer I can live with in comfort.
All men will fall short of the glory of GOD. We will all fall short as sinners. Man can not get in to heaven by his works, but only by the grace of GOD our we saved and allowed in to the kingdom. Its whats in our hearts and Faith..faith alone..When you asked GOD to forgive you for your sins, He did. But he can only die on the cross Once. So when we continue to ask him over and over because we sin over and over, Its pointless....You were all ready forgivven when you asked the 1st time. your Faith is what gets you in there, The Grace of GOD...Not your works, how ever your works will gwt you crowns and mansions in heaven. Thats the Bonus.
This is what i was told, and I stick with it. I try to do my best, but when i slip up and sin...I will no longer damn myself to Hell , Only god can do that and he promised me salvation when I bacame his child.
I think it is better to have a clear head. I've done it both ways and 'clear' is much better as far as making decisions is concerned. One of the most serious problems with using any substance that manipulates your mood is that it enters into places inside of you that can have more influence over your actions than using your 'head' should have.
Moderation in all things is often said to be one way of doing things. I prefer after seeing my past experience not to put anything into my body that influences my decision making.
Moderation in all things is often said to be one way of doing things. I prefer after seeing my past experience not to put anything into my body that influences my decision making.
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