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GIDEON MAGE
I personally have maintained the following views, which are certainly are held by many others:
1. There really is only one God.
2. That God is beyond all imagination and direct knowledge.
3. In order to comprehend the "real" God, man has repeatedly come up with more and more religions, none of which has the real and complete truth.
4. All "Gods" are really One Great Unity. All religions have this concept. There is no difference between speaking of "Angels", "Messengers" and "Gods".
5. Not only is "God" a real, functioning Force in the Universe, but so is Spirit. Scientists haven't proven the existence of either because they haven't tried.


My premise?
a> How would it change your world if all this was found to be true?
b> What if a scientist found a way to directly communicate with the Energy we call "God"?
c> What if this method were readily available to everyone, at low cost?
d> What if this energy were to reveal that it was, personally, expressed in all religions, indirectly? "I am Isis, YHVH, Shiva and Mithras!"



Please do not disrespect the challenge by saying, for example, "That's ridiculous! It says in John 3:4 that this is false!" or, "But the Koran says..." or,
"Carl Sagan said". I don't want to hear it. I am asking for independent thought here. I wish I could find out that a serious scientist has even researched this. Give it a try!
"Play ball!"
aquatus1
QUOTE(GIDEON MAGE @ Dec 20 2006, 08:46 PM) [snapback]1469159[/snapback]
a> How would it change your world if all this was found to be true?
b> What if a scientist found a way to directly communicate with the Energy we call "God"?
c> What if this method were readily available to everyone, at low cost?
d> What if this energy were to reveal that it was, personally, expressed in all religions, indirectly? "I am Isis, YHVH, Shiva and Mithras!"


A> Not a whole lot, really. After all, any given God could exist right now, or not exist, and it isn't really affecting me.
B> Now that would be interesting! The first thing I would be interested in was what the intentions of this deity would be towards us.
C> Same thing as B.
D> Same thing as B.
Leonardo
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A Science of the Divine?

Here's an idea that many academics may find unsettling and dangerous: God exists. And here's another idea that many religious people may find unsettling and dangerous: God is not supernatural, but rather part of the natural order. Simply stating these ideas in the same breath invites them to scrape against each other, and sparks begin to fly. To avoid such conflict, Stephen Jay Gould famously argued that we should separate religion and science, treating them as distinct "magisteria." But science leads many of us to try to understand all that we encounter with a single, grand and glorious overarching framework. In this spirit, let me try to suggest one way in which the idea of a "supreme being" can fit into a scientific worldview.

I offer the following not to advocate the ideas, but rather simply to illustrate one (certainly not the only) way that the concept of God can be approached scientifically.

1.0. First, here's the specific conception of God I want to explore: God is a "supreme being" that transcends space and time, permeates our world but also stands outside of it, and can intervene in our daily lives (partly in response to prayer).

2.0. A way to begin to think about this conception of the divine rests on three ideas:

2.1. Emergent properties. There are many examples in science where aggregates produce an entity that has properties that cannot be predicted entirely from the elements themselves. For example, neurons in large numbers produce minds; moreover, minds in large numbers produce economic, political, and social systems.

2.2. Downward causality. Events at "higher levels" (where emergent properties become evident) can in turn feed back and affect events at lower levels. For example, chronic stress (a mental event) can cause parts of the brain to become smaller. Similarly, an economic depression or the results of an election affect the lives of the individuals who live in that society.

2.3. The Ultimate Superset. The Ultimate Superset (superordinate set) of all living things may have an equivalent status to an economy or culture. It has properties that emerge from the interactions of living things and groups of living things, and in turn can feed back to affect those things and groups.

3.0. Can we conceive of God as an emergent property of all living things that can in turn affect its constituents? Here are some ways in which this idea is consistent with the nature of God, as outlined at the outset.

3.1. This emergent entity is "transcendent" in the sense that it exists in no specific place or time. Like a culture or an economy, God is nowhere, although the constituent elements occupy specific places. As for transcending time, consider this analogy: Imagine that 1/100th of the neurons in your brain were replaced every hour, and each old neuron programmed a new one so that the old one's functionality was preserved. After 100 hours your brain would be an entirely new organ — but your mind would continue to exist as it had been before. Similarly, as each citizen dies and is replaced by a child, the culture continues to exist (and can grow and develop, with a "life of its own"). So too with God. For example, in the story of Jacob's ladder, Jacob realizes "Surely the Lord is in this place, and I did not know it." (Genesis 28: 16) I interpret this story as illustrating that God is everywhere but nowhere. The Ultimate Superset permeates our world but also stands outside of (or, more specifically, "above") it.

3.2. The Ultimate Superset can affect our individual lives. Another analogy: Say that geese flying south for the winter have rather unreliable magnetic field detectors in their brains. However, there's a rule built into their brains that leads them to try to stay near their fellows as they fly. The flock as a whole would navigate far better than any individual bird, because the noise in the individual bird brain navigation systems would cancel out. The emergent entity — the flock — in turn would affect the individual geese, helping them to navigate better than they could on their own.

3.3. When people pray to the Lord, they beseech intervention on their or others' behalf. The view that I've been outlining invites us to think of the effects of prayer as akin to becoming more sensitive to the need to stay close to the other birds in the flock: By praying, one can become more sensitive to the emergent "supreme being." Such increased sensitivity may imply that one can contribute more strongly to this emergent entity.

By analogy, it's as if one of those geese became aware of the "keep near" rule, and decided to nudge the other birds in a particular direction — which thereby allows it to influence the flock's effect on itself. To the extent that prayer puts one closer to God, one's plea for intervention will have a larger impact on the way that The Ultimate Superset exerts downward causality. But note that, according to this view, God works rather slowly. Think of dropping rocks in a pond: it takes time for the ripples to propagate and eventually be reflected back from the edge, forming interference patterns in the center of the pond.

4.0. A crucial idea in monotheistic religions is that God is the Creator. The present approach may help us begin to grapple with this idea, as follows.

4.1. First, consider each individual person. The environment plays a key role in creating who and what we are because there are far too few genes to program every aspect of our brains. For example, when you were born, your genes programmed many connections in your visual areas, but did not specify the precise circuits necessary to determine how far away objects are. As an infant, the act of reaching for an object tuned the brain circuits that estimate how far away the object was from you.

Similarly, your genes graced you with the ability to acquire language, but not with a specific language. The act of acquiring a language shapes your brain (which in turn may make it difficult to acquire another language, with different sounds and grammar, later in life). Moreover, cultural practices configure the brains of members of the culture. A case in point: the Japanese have many forms of bowing, which are difficult for a Westerner to master relatively late in life; when we try to bow, we "bow with an accent."

4.2. And the environment not only played an essential role in how we developed as children, but also plays a continuing role in how we develop over the course of our lives as adults. The act of learning literally changes who and what we are.

4.3. According to this perspective, it's not just negotiating the physical world and sociocultural experience that shape the brain: The Ultimate Superset — the emergent property of all living things — affects all of the influences that "make us who and what we are," both as we develop during childhood and continue to learn and develop as adults.

4.4. Next, consider our species. One could try to push this perspective into a historical context, and note that evolution by natural selection reflects the effects of interactions among living things. If so, then the emergent properties of such interactions could feed back to affect the course of evolution itself.

In short, it is possible to begin to view the divine through the lens of science. But such reasoning does no more than set the stage; to be a truly dangerous idea, this sort of proposal must be buttressed by the results of empirical test. At present, my point is not to convince, but rather to intrigue. As much as I admired Stephen Jay Gould (and I did, very much), perhaps he missed the mark on this one. Perhaps there is a grand project waiting to be launched, to integrate the two great sources of knowledge and belief in the world today — science and religion.


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Some scientists have tried to explain god - don't know about proving god's existence though. Perhaps scientific explanations for god are not commonly known because religion is afraid this will undermine their powerbase?

Before I answer your questions could you clarify for me please. Does the question "a> How would it change your world if all this was found to be true?" relate to your views stated above or the other premises following?

GoddessWhispers
a> How would it change your world if all this was found to be true? Impossible. It can never be found to be true that there is only one source for all that exists. As such my world world will change, but not in that respect.



b> What if a scientist found a way to directly communicate with the Energy we call "God"? The FCC and other government controlled communications systems around the world would clamor and receive from their legislative branch, complete control of the ability to communicate with the energy. Telemarketers would take the place of age old disciples and god would suddenly become a commercial entity, based on myriad calling plans available, via any number of communications companies. Offering especially low rates starting midnight of christmas eve all the way through to new years.

c> What if this method were readily available to everyone, at low cost? There'd be a catch. Read the fine print of the calling plan of choice. Not to mention the cost of the communications instrument. Say, the 2087 Motorola savior, flip phone with built in holographic module so one could pick the god avatar of choice and have the deity appear right in front of them. For an extra fee in that calling plan, of course.



d> What if this energy were to reveal that it was, personally, expressed in all religions, indirectly? "I am Isis, YHVH, Shiva and Mithras!"


I'd ask it what the hell it was thinking inspiring suicide bombers, Jim Jones, Aum Shinrikyo and a whole slew of others to express that side of itself.
Then I'd ask it to turn itself into Tinky Winky, and accompany me as I carpool with Vexen Crabtree and Jerry Falwell, to attend Pat Robertsons birthday party. We'll enter near the atrium on the property, wherein I would request Tinky ignite the nearest burning bush so the real fun could begin. rofl.gif
boorite
I don't see God as a fit subject for any truth claim. So the questions don't make sense to me.
rev r
QUOTE(GIDEON MAGE @ Dec 20 2006, 03:46 PM) [snapback]1469159[/snapback]
My premise?
a> How would it change your world if all this was found to be true?
b> What if a scientist found a way to directly communicate with the Energy we call "God"?
c> What if this method were readily available to everyone, at low cost?
d> What if this energy were to reveal that it was, personally, expressed in all religions, indirectly? "I am Isis, YHVH, Shiva and Mithras!"


a. Ask me if it happens.
b. Neat, energy can communicate. What did it have to say?
c. You mean I have to pay to talk to this god? Pass. If it's important I'm sure it can find me.
d. I'd probably respond, "Hmmm that seems to be pretty direct involvement to me. Being a central figure to those beliefs and all. Excuse me, but I have to kill you now." (5 points if you catch that reference. original.gif ) Maybe if my curiosity got the better of me in © I might say, "I paid for that?"

All in all I guess it would depend on my mood at that moment. wink2.gif
artymoon
a>I don't know.
b>I don't know.
c>I still don't know.
d>Same as above^

laugh.gif I'm just kidding, I do know... but I'm not gonna say. w00t.gif
beowulf
You merely stated the Deist stance on the Creator, so it would not change my world at all...I doubt if we could directly communicate with the Creator, it would be rather like a bacterium speaking to a human, so I doubt if any of the other postulations would or could happen. - Da Wolf
IamsSon
There already is a completely free way to communicate with the one and only God: Prayer.
beowulf
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There already is a completely free way to communicate with the one and only God: Prayer.

Unfortunately it never works....talk about "dropped calls"! - Da Wolf
Tangerine Sheri
!. It couldn't be there is no such thing as one truth,

2.Quantum Physics, Quantum mechanics is all about the study of of thought, the unified field of everything superstring theory etc......energy changing form becoming matter its all in the science lol....

3.. oh no not another relgion 'eh gid...'

4.refer to answer 2......

One is all they need they need do nothing but notice that .......

arty what no comment lol.... crying.gif i am intrested in your POV
IamsSon
QUOTE(beowulf @ Dec 20 2006, 05:54 PM) [snapback]1469353[/snapback]
Unfortunately it never works....talk about "dropped calls"! - Da Wolf

Works for me! You have to have the right service provider... Jesus thumbsup.gif
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(IamsSon @ Dec 20 2006, 04:20 PM) [snapback]1469377[/snapback]
Works for me! You have to have the right service provider... Jesus thumbsup.gif

Son, from where i sit all lines lead to the same place, maybe your view is blocked ........
gOd is generic for oodles of things...lol wub.gif

gotta luv Da wolf i believe he DA right .....
GoddessWhispers
Question: Relative to the laws of probability. If there were a communications device to god, do you think an agnostic would hesitate before accepting a collect call, or speak right up and say: "Yes operator, I accept the charges!" rofl.gif
artymoon
QUOTE(Supra Sheri @ Dec 20 2006, 07:18 PM) [snapback]1469373[/snapback]
arty what no comment lol.... crying.gif i am intrested in your POV
I'd have to agree with Son's point about prayer, although I might not believe in his god the way he does, I understand the power of prayer... opening your mind, reaching out to a source of hope, strength, and wisdom, yet being humble and having a willingness to accept what is given to you or presented to you. Its about perception, almost like talking yourself into a positive attitude, no matter what the outcome may be. If you open yourself to think this way, no matter what conflict you maybe going through, you will find the good things to hold on to and grow from the experience. Call it positive thought or prayer, it matters not in my eyes... its takes reaching into yourself to reach out to something else positive and hopeful... call it God if you want or don't call it anything, it doesn't matter. original.gif
mailboy
A. i do not know how it would change my world, but it would change my existance in that i would conform to this True creators intentions. Not out of fear, but in gratitude for my existance.
B. I would be impressed.
C. As goddess said it would be abused. In the unlikely scenario that it wasn't abused i think nothing good would come of it because some would become more at peace, others would be more rebellious for tragedies they deemed as "unfair", and all others would simply still not care. Practically the same world we live in today.
D. Very interesting it would either cause chaos or peace between religions.

Personally, I think that what you describe would in fact be the end of the world. This notion comes from my beliefs not from some grand solution of my own.

Supra-
2.Quantum Physics, Quantum mechanics is all about the study of of thought, the unified field of everything superstring theory etc......energy changing form becoming matter its all in the science lol....

you said it yourself its only a theory not a proven fact of science.
Its all in an unproven idea of science.
Paranoid Android
I don't like "what if" threads tongue.gif

Sorry, couldn't help that. Hmmm....

a> How would it change your world if all this was found to be true? At this point, I can honestly say I don't know. It depends on what this entity had to say, really.

b> What if a scientist found a way to directly communicate with the Energy we call "God"? I'd question the validity of the scientific findings, and find out if this is "God" or just a higher being (Yes, I believe there is a difference between the two terms), or it may even be aliens (remember the worm-hole aliens from Star Trek, parading as the Bajoran "Prophets", ie gods?). Who knows.

c> What if this method were readily available to everyone, at low cost? Bring it on. Any chance to chat with something that cool. But Iams is right - prayer is free grin2.gif

d> What if this energy were to reveal that it was, personally, expressed in all religions, indirectly? "I am Isis, YHVH, Shiva and Mithras!" Remember what I said in "b"? Is this really God, or just a higher being pretending to be God? Perhaps that's jus a mechanism of denial (you know, that river in Egypt, lol), but that's something to consider. Claims of deity does not a deity make! And yes, I know that last sentence can be turned around on me to be applied to the Bible-God also, but *meh* you get that happy.gif

Interesting thread, Gid.

Regards, PA
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(artymoon @ Dec 20 2006, 04:51 PM) [snapback]1469402[/snapback]
I'd have to agree with Son's point about prayer, although I might not believe in his god the way he does, I understand the power of prayer... opening your mind, reaching out to a source of hope, strength, and wisdom, yet being humble and having a willingness to accept what is given to you or presented to you. Its about perception, almost like talking yourself into a positive attitude, no matter what the outcome may be. If you open yourself to think this way, no matter what conflict you maybe going through, you will find the good things to hold on to and grow from the experience. Call it positive thought or prayer, it matters not in my eyes... its takes reaching into yourself to reach out to something else positive and hopeful... call it God if you want or don't call it anything, it doesn't matter. original.gif

Arty lol IMO you are defining enlightenment or self actaulization, that is allowing life to show you the mysteries of life through the living of yours allowing life to show you the mysteries and wonders, its natural , its who we are at this awareness what shows up is perfect for you that is mastery of life..A state of peace, inner contentment bhaktii , some call it bliss... this is the place I live, You see the perfection in all things, anything is turned into valuable and optimism rules the day and you seek ways to use your life to be the difference you wish to see....Prayer is a form of thought control , focused intention.....meditatiion is the place of this understanding cultivating space or growing the silence (that is already there)one is okay with the unknown , i don't know becomes ones core and you are kool with it, their is no limits place on self but instead one lets go of limits ...at this place life jsut works, you need do very little but be.and enjoy the ride............is that what you are saying ... ..
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(mailboy @ Dec 20 2006, 05:10 PM) [snapback]1469415[/snapback]
A. i do not know how it would change my world, but it would change my existance in that i would conform to this True creators intentions. Not out of fear, but in gratitude for my existance.
B. I would be impressed.
C. As goddess said it would be abused. In the unlikely scenario that it wasn't abused i think nothing good would come of it because some would become more at peace, others would be more rebellious for tragedies they deemed as "unfair", and all others would simply still not care. Practically the same world we live in today.
D. Very interesting it would either cause chaos or peace between religions.

Personally, I think that what you describe would in fact be the end of the world. This notion comes from my beliefs not from some grand solution of my own.

Supra-
2.Quantum Physics, Quantum mechanics is all about the study of of thought, the unified field of everything superstring theory etc......energy changing form becoming matter its all in the science lol....

you said it yourself its only a theory not a proven fact of science.
Its all in an unproven idea of science.


If I'm holding a rock and drop it to the ground i see it fall and it hits the ground , science comes along and gives me a way to define what 'm seeing is it the way or the only way who knows I don't, but it works and it makes sense thats how i live.. there is the bservation something is going on well science gives me a way to define and understand the material , its trys to validate what I'm experiencing myself....science predictions are righ tmore than they aren't depending on the observation.....but it depends on waht yuare trying ot do that is pivital....
Neith
QUOTE(GIDEON MAGE @ Dec 20 2006, 03:46 PM) [snapback]1469159[/snapback]
I personally have maintained the following views, which are certainly are held by many others:
1. There really is only one God.
2. That God is beyond all imagination and direct knowledge.
3. In order to comprehend the "real" God, man has repeatedly come up with more and more religions, none of which has the real and complete truth.
4. All "Gods" are really One Great Unity. All religions have this concept. There is no difference between speaking of "Angels", "Messengers" and "Gods".
5. Not only is "God" a real, functioning Force in the Universe, but so is Spirit. Scientists haven't proven the existence of either because they haven't tried.


My premise?
a> How would it change your world if all this was found to be true?
b> What if a scientist found a way to directly communicate with the Energy we call "God"?
c> What if this method were readily available to everyone, at low cost?
d> What if this energy were to reveal that it was, personally, expressed in all religions, indirectly? "I am Isis, YHVH, Shiva and Mithras!"



Please do not disrespect the challenge by saying, for example, "That's ridiculous! It says in John 3:4 that this is false!" or, "But the Koran says..." or,
"Carl Sagan said". I don't want to hear it. I am asking for independent thought here. I wish I could find out that a serious scientist has even researched this. Give it a try!
"Play ball!"


available at a low cost ,WTF wacko.gif lmao
Jasu
QUOTE(GIDEON MAGE @ Dec 20 2006, 08:46 PM) [snapback]1469159[/snapback]
I personally have maintained the following views, which are certainly are held by many others:
1. There really is only one God.
2. That God is beyond all imagination and direct knowledge.
3. In order to comprehend the "real" God, man has repeatedly come up with more and more religions, none of which has the real and complete truth.
4. All "Gods" are really One Great Unity. All religions have this concept. There is no difference between speaking of "Angels", "Messengers" and "Gods".
5. Not only is "God" a real, functioning Force in the Universe, but so is Spirit. Scientists haven't proven the existence of either because they haven't tried.


My premise?
a> How would it change your world if all this was found to be true?
b> What if a scientist found a way to directly communicate with the Energy we call "God"?
c> What if this method were readily available to everyone, at low cost?
d> What if this energy were to reveal that it was, personally, expressed in all religions, indirectly? "I am Isis, YHVH, Shiva and Mithras!"

Please do not disrespect the challenge by saying, for example, "That's ridiculous! It says in John 3:4 that this is false!" or, "But the Koran says..." or,
"Carl Sagan said". I don't want to hear it. I am asking for independent thought here. I wish I could find out that a serious scientist has even researched this. Give it a try!
"Play ball!"



a. I believe all of them to be true, except for 3. I believe that what happens in the afterlife will depend on what you follow and believe in the present life. So nothing would really change. But I don't think any religon, or lack of, is wrong, so I would be surprised that there would be only one right religon, and would think it contradicts itself with God because of the free will thing.
b. Well, I was going to say prayer, but if you mean that sceintists have found a way to have a "telephone" conversation with God, that he instantly responds back with words, then I too, would be astounded.
c. I don't think God would be too happy that people are using him to make money.
d. Well, I thought you said in 3 that there was no right religon, so I am confused here. But I already think that Gd exists in all religons. If he did create free will and give it to us, why would different forms of him, but the same general idea, be any different?
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Dec 21 2006, 01:11 AM) [snapback]1469417[/snapback]
I don't like "what if" threads tongue.gif


I do...WHY?? Because it generates a lot of peoples ideas...when I read a what if thread, a lot of the responces are intresting..and what is cool about that is...they all come from that persons free mind...not text from a book or a web page!! grin2.gif
GIDEON MAGE
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Dec 21 2006, 09:09 AM) [snapback]1469920[/snapback]
I do...WHY?? Because it generates a lot of peoples ideas...when I read a what if thread, a lot of the responces are intresting..and what is cool about that is...they all come from that persons free mind...not text from a book or a web page!! grin2.gif

Finally someone who "got" the point!
GoddessWhispers
Oh I'd say, after two pages of replies, many "got" the point. tongue.gif
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(GoddessWhispers @ Dec 21 2006, 02:27 PM) [snapback]1469937[/snapback]
Oh I'd say, after two pages of replies, many "got" the point. tongue.gif


QUOTE(GIDEON MAGE @ Dec 21 2006, 02:22 PM) [snapback]1469932[/snapback]
Finally someone who "got" the point!



What if...I where to take a bow?? LOL...thanks guys...but I love those what if threads...it keeps me reading...and at times...entertained...keep freeing your minds thumbsup.gif
artymoon
QUOTE(Supra Sheri @ Dec 20 2006, 11:37 PM) [snapback]1469588[/snapback]
Arty lol IMO you are defining enlightenment or self actaulization, that is allowing life to show you the mysteries of life through the living of yours allowing life to show you the mysteries and wonders, its natural , its who we are at this awareness what shows up is perfect for you that is mastery of life..A state of peace, inner contentment bhaktii , some call it bliss... this is the place I live, You see the perfection in all things, anything is turned into valuable and optimism rules the day and you seek ways to use your life to be the difference you wish to see....Prayer is a form of thought control , focused intention.....meditatiion is the place of this understanding cultivating space or growing the silence (that is already there)one is okay with the unknown , i don't know becomes ones core and you are kool with it, their is no limits place on self but instead one lets go of limits ...at this place life jsut works, you need do very little but be.and enjoy the ride............is that what you are saying ... ..

Yeah, basically Sheri. Part of prayer/positive thought is realizing that our sincere thoughts and our efforts will make a difference on the outcome. Sometimes the outcome may not be all we hoped or wished for, and this is where some will get angry and blame God or something else.. instead of realizing that we are not meant to get all we want because inevitably we will share the results. But prayer/positive thought will not work if you perceive it not to work or are not willing to adjust to the changes. Whether you are religious or not, it takes humility, sincerity, and awareness to see it happening and to find the answers.
GoddessWhispers
Well said. original.gif I have a teeshirt that has the microcosmic woman image embossed on the front and around the circumference of the circle reads: Get off your knees, be the answer to your own prayers!


Ah, the power of having friends in airbrush places. w00t.gif
GIDEON MAGE
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Dec 20 2006, 08:11 PM) [snapback]1469417[/snapback]
I don't like "what if" threads tongue.gif

Sorry, couldn't help that. Hmmm....

a> How would it change your world if all this was found to be true? At this point, I can honestly say I don't know. It depends on what this entity had to say, really.

good honest answer.
b> What if a scientist found a way to directly communicate with the Energy we call "God"?
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I'd question the validity of the scientific findings, and find out if this is "God" or just a higher being (Yes, I believe there is a difference between the two terms), or it may even be aliens (remember the worm-hole aliens from Star Trek, parading as the Bajoran "Prophets", ie gods?). Who knows.
Actually, I was reminded of the Star Trek movie where they found "God", but it was a demon-like being.

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c> What if this method were readily available to everyone, at low cost? Bring it on. Any chance to chat with something that cool. But Iams is right - prayer is free grin2.gif

Boy, am I regretting the "low cost" comment!What I meant was an incredibly cheap device that would communicate directly with the big guy, that would work for any religion, even atheists.

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d> What if this energy were to reveal that it was, personally, expressed in all religions, indirectly? "I am Isis, YHVH, Shiva and Mithras!" Remember what I said in "b"? Is this really God, or just a higher being pretending to be God? Perhaps that's jus a mechanism of denial (you know, that river in Egypt, lol), but that's something to consider. Claims of deity does not a deity make! And yes, I know that last sentence can be turned around on me to be applied to the Bible-God also, but *meh* you get that happy.gif

Please see my above Star Trek reference. What I intended was that this really, really, was God, per se, completely approachable by whomever.
Paranoid Android
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Dec 22 2006, 01:09 AM) [snapback]1469920[/snapback]
I do...WHY?? Because it generates a lot of peoples ideas...when I read a what if thread, a lot of the responces are intresting..and what is cool about that is...they all come from that persons free mind...not text from a book or a web page!! grin2.gif
I know, BM. I was making a joke about a discussion I had in another thread. As I said, it's all about the context of the "what if" thumbsup.gif
GIDEON MAGE
I just wanted to give this thread another chance. Why is it, that when someone tries to actually challenge the intellect here, the thread goes to page two in just a couple of days?
chaoszerg

I personally have maintained the following views, which are certainly are held by many others:
1. There really is only one God.
2. That God is beyond all imagination and direct knowledge.
3. In order to comprehend the "real" God, man has repeatedly come up with more and more religions, none of which has the real and complete truth.
4. All "Gods" are really One Great Unity. All religions have this concept. There is no difference between speaking of "Angels", "Messengers" and "Gods".
5. Not only is "God" a real, functioning Force in the Universe, but so is Spirit. Scientists haven't proven the existence of either because they haven't tried.


My premise?
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a> How would it change your world if all this was found to be true?


I would think oh blimey i was wrong all along not believing God was real but i still would not worship God

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b> What if a scientist found a way to directly communicate with the Energy we call "God"?
Alot of people will try to ask God silly questions like can you help me win the lottery

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c> What if this method were readily available to everyone, at low cost?


Alot of people would take it but some who do not like God or dont want to Know God would probaly not have it.

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d> What if this energy were to reveal that it was, personally, expressed in all religions, indirectly? "I am Isis, YHVH, Shiva and Mithras!"


There would be alot of red faces from those who like to spew on about how there God can only be found with there Religion and no one elses.
GIDEON MAGE
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I would think oh blimey i was wrong all along not believing God was real but i still would not worship God

Interesting point-I really hadn't thought about the whole "worship" issue.
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Alot of people will try to ask God silly questions like can you help me win the lottery
Ever see the movie "almighty Bruce"? your question is well-answered there.
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Alot of people would take it but some who do not like God or dont want to Know God would probaly not have it.

just like caller i.d.-optional.
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There would be alot of red faces from those who like to spew on about how there God can only be found with there Religion and no one elses.


Then again, many would understand, and say, "of course".

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