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THE NEW WORLD ORDER



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"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
- David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991

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"This present window of opportunity, during which a truly peaceful and interdependent world order might be built, will not be open for too long - We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."


- David Rockefeller, Sept. 23, 1994

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"It cannot happen without U.S. participation, as we are the most 
significant single component. Yes, there will be a New World Order, and it will force the United States to change it's perceptions."


- Henry Kissinger, World Affairs Council Press Conference, Regent Beverly Wilshire Hotel , April 19, 1994

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"All of us will ultimately be judged on the effort we have contributed to building a new world order."


-Robert Kennedy, 1967

Gary Hart speaking to the CFR right after 9/11 - Video

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"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control. Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."


-Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976
(killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets)


Cheers


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expo2
BZRK-

watching those videos is like waking up into a nightmare
Sunofone
wait a sec bzrk-- this thread has hard hitting evidence of a new world order which cannot be dismissed-- you do realise that this sort of dissent cannot be tolerated? the facts that bush sr was the first to use the term "new world order" in a public forum on sept 11,1991 AND that skull and bones was founded for the sole purpose of achieving a one world government through deceit and corruption from within could easily be backed with similar video clips and other reference material but that would probably get this thread closed
BZRK
QUOTE(Sunofone @ Dec 21 2006, 05:32 AM) [snapback]1469627[/snapback]
wait a sec bzrk-- this thread has hard hitting evidence of a new world order which cannot be dismissed-- you do realise that this sort of dissent cannot be tolerated? the facts that bush sr was the first to use the term "new world order" in a public forum on sept 11,1991 AND that skull and bones was founded for the sole purpose of achieving a one world government through deceit and corruption from within could easily be backed with similar video clips and other reference material but that would probably get this thread closed


Sunofone your 100% right.

I could post alot more comments by Government officials using the term New World Order to justify a One World Government.

Cheers

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dwight fry
Well this is my first post here in these forums. I love this site and most of the people who post here seem to be very intelligent and I share the same views as most of you guys do.
I would just like to say that I have been studying up on "the new world order" and I strongly believe it will happen one day. I hope that for all our sake the "evil" part of it is just manifested by everyone's common misinterpretations because of the negative attention it seems to get.

I believe if and when it happens, as long as there is a strong group of leaders the world may be a better place. Democracy totolatarian rule and communism all have their pros and cons but a hybrid between them could really "iron out" world affairs in due time. Im not worried about this new form of government enslaving us to a group of aliens or satan, as most web sites and articles on this topic tend to do. All forms of government have a common set of goals: prosperity, unity and control. Lets leave God and aliens out of it for a minute, wake up and realize whether we like it or not we are all stuck here together. Lets make the most of it and try to enjoy our time here on our rock..... democracy and all other forms of government are great in theory but all have been tainted, It's time to start anew.
Keep up the interesting posts guys...
AROCES
World Order, as in Peace and Order. It does not mean Darth Vader is ready to march in with his Storm Troopers.
Chill out guys!
expo2
QUOTE(AROCES @ Dec 22 2006, 03:37 AM) [snapback]1470634[/snapback]
World Order, as in Peace and Order. It does not mean Darth Vader is ready to march in with his Storm Troopers.
Chill out guys!


Peace and Order? LOL do we have a sudden expert on the subject? especially since for the longest time it was kept in denial? well rush limbaugh still denies its existence.
Crinit
QUOTE(Sunofone @ Dec 21 2006, 12:32 AM) [snapback]1469627[/snapback]
wait a sec bzrk-- this thread has hard hitting evidence of a new world order which cannot be dismissed-- you do realise that this sort of dissent cannot be tolerated? the facts that bush sr was the first to use the term "new world order" in a public forum on sept 11,1991 AND that skull and bones was founded for the sole purpose of achieving a one world government through deceit and corruption from within could easily be backed with similar video clips and other reference material but that would probably get this thread closed


What evidence do you have that the Skull and Bones was formed for the reasons that you stated? (not meant as a flame or insult im just curious) Send me a Pm with some links if your afraid of getting this thread locked.

Oh and one other thing. I don't understand why everyone always wants links to websites as a reference. Any idiot can make a web site and put what ever the hell they want on there. If I had a theory that the plumbers of the world were secretly taking over the world through a series of mind control devices inplanted in peoples toilets, and then made a website about it and used that as a reference on here, some people would think its legit...I mean cummon... Even books on the subjects ranging from freemasons-NWO all are for the most prart opinionated. They may offer some facts but its off of their so called "experiences". What im saying is that there are very few actuall real references that will hold any weight when trying to prove anything along the lines of secret societies and conspiracies.
expo2
QUOTE(Crinit @ Dec 22 2006, 10:12 PM) [snapback]1471487[/snapback]
What evidence do you have that the Skull and Bones was formed for the reasons that you stated? (not meant as a flame or insult im just curious) Send me a Pm with some links if your afraid of getting this thread locked.

Oh and one other thing. I don't understand why everyone always wants links to websites as a reference. Any idiot can make a web site and put what ever the hell they want on there. If I had a theory that the plumbers of the world were secretly taking over the world through a series of mind control devices inplanted in peoples toilets, and then made a website about it and used that as a reference on here, some people would think its legit...I mean cummon... Even books on the subjects ranging from freemasons-NWO all are for the most prart opinionated. They may offer some facts but its off of their so called "experiences". What im saying is that there are very few actuall real references that will hold any weight when trying to prove anything along the lines of secret societies and conspiracies.


lol you just narrowed it down to one avenue self-incrimination by way of admittance. Firstly, the idiocy of having first the denial of the existence for putting in place a nwo and to some like rush limbaugh would seem all too important to remain in denial. Now, you expect evidence by way narrowing it down to self admittance? you dont even know what it took just to get it out of denial. I guess some people are more prone than others to see the 'writing on the wall' so to speak.
Moon Monkey
I have asked this exact same question before but not really recieived a satisfactory responce other than "because it is !".

What is the problem with a one world government ? (unless you believe it is going to be run by puppet masters of our alien overlords ,lol wacko.gif )

Tribes, continually at war, were merged into England (the same happened in other european countries) and these tribal wars stopped as national councils or 'governments' solved problems. The continually-at-war countries of England, Wales and Scotland (and Ireland but thats another story) were merged into the UK and have been at peace ever since, even with different identities, traditions and customs. The continually-at-war countries of Europe merged into the EU and no members have been at war with each other since, even though there have been major disagreements and back stabbing, diplomatically. Yes some of the early mergers (100's or 1000 years ago) were acheived militarily but surely we have moved on by now ?

A one world government when eventually formed will see the problems of the world solved diplomatically and by consensus rather than by force. Maybe the problem for many Americans is that once military solutions are taken away the rest of the world will have a proportional say in the development of the planet and a country of 300 million, like Indonesia, will have equal access to world resources and world bettering ideas like Kyoto will be forced upon them rather than America saying "this idea, although good for the world, is bad in the short term for the United States and therefore as we are the strongest we are not agreeing to it and there is nothing you can do". Yes the larger countries like China and India will have a larger say, but isnt that the way it should be until all borders are removed and each citizen of the world may have his own individual vote ?
Cadetak
QUOTE(Moon Monkey @ Dec 27 2006, 03:04 AM) [snapback]1474797[/snapback]
I have asked this exact same question before but not really recieived a satisfactory responce other than "because it is !".

What is the problem with a one world government ? (unless you believe it is going to be run by puppet masters of our alien overlords ,lol wacko.gif )

Tribes, continually at war, were merged into England (the same happened in other european countries) and these tribal wars stopped as national councils or 'governments' solved problems. The continually-at-war countries of England, Wales and Scotland (and Ireland but thats another story) were merged into the UK and have been at peace ever since, even with different identities, traditions and customs. The continually-at-war countries of Europe merged into the EU and no members have been at war with each other since, even though there have been major disagreements and back stabbing, diplomatically. Yes some of the early mergers (100's or 1000 years ago) were acheived militarily but surely we have moved on by now ?

A one world government when eventually formed will see the problems of the world solved diplomatically and by consensus rather than by force. Maybe the problem for many Americans is that once military solutions are taken away the rest of the world will have a proportional say in the development of the planet and a country of 300 million, like Indonesia, will have equal access to world resources and world bettering ideas like Kyoto will be forced upon them rather than America saying "this idea, although good for the world, is bad in the short term for the United States and therefore as we are the strongest we are not agreeing to it and there is nothing you can do". Yes the larger countries like China and India will have a larger say, but isnt that the way it should be until all borders are removed and each citizen of the world may have his own individual vote ?


People assume that a NWO will automatically become a tyranical dictatorship where all our freedoms are taken away, and the NWO will persicute certain races or religions.

I belive a NWO could be a good thing.
SavvyWitch
Someone want to tell me what kind of punishment's will be used on people who will break 'laws', or even what kind of NEW 'laws' would be made ?? What about these psycho's who hate americans... also, americans who hate other races, cultures, etc... that can't stand the thought of being merged into 'unity' with either of any kind. You don't think that now days a NWO wouldn't complete clash of cultures ??? Especially if america brings it on while half the nations are fed up with america ?!? I Just think it would take a long, LONG while to figure out how to run a NWO (compatibly... and without ONE person calling all the shots with no "if's and's or but's" and personally... I think that is the scary part of it all.) and until all of it was figured out... Yeah.. I'll be stocking up on ammo.. firearms... canned goods; anything My family would need for survival.. call me crazy (or how about.. listen to the Gary Hart, CFR calls for NWO after 9/11 thanks.) I just rather be safe than sorry on this one. I think There's three types involved with the opinions on the subject of NWO which are... NWO enthusiast... who would stop at nothing for it to finally take place; NWO rebels.. who are going to retaliate at full force, and stop at nothing from ALLOWING it to take place, and NWO illiterates. Who have no idea about it and/OR do not consider it to be a serious enough matter *to have one person go insane with power once they have it!!!!* and think " Oh that will never happen.. and if it ever did happen!!! Everything will work out just fine because I live in never never land!!... " or simply because "the world needs chaos to thrive!" Chaos is fine to an extent.. but I don't think too many people want to see WORLD spread chaos.

If a NWO is to emerge.. does anyone believe the people who make up this complete world are going to have ANY say in it at all without having to completely riot over it to have their voices heard throughout the world; after all, the world is made up of typical average joes. Here comes the chaos.. oh and after it settles.. I'm sure there will be peace.. seeing how the ones who probably start the chaos are going to elminated. It's not the thought of it working out that scares me.. it's the thought of what's going to happen BEFORE it "works out." dontgetit.gif ohmy.gif *breathes deep and clicks ~^POST^~* should I duck as well ?? ;o)
Moon Monkey
QUOTE(SavvyWitch @ Dec 27 2006, 10:09 AM) [snapback]1474864[/snapback]
Someone want to tell me what kind of punishment's will be used on people who will break 'laws', or even what kind of NEW 'laws' would be made ?? What about these psycho's who hate americans... also, americans who hate other races, cultures, etc... that can't stand the thought of being merged into 'unity' with either of any kind. You don't think that now days a NWO wouldn't complete clash of cultures ??? Especially if america brings it on while half the nations are fed up with america ?!? I Just think it would take a long, LONG while to figure out how to run a NWO (compatibly... and without ONE person calling all the shots with no "if's and's or but's" and personally... I think that is the scary part of it all.) and until all of it was figured out... Yeah.. I'll be stocking up on ammo.. firearms... canned goods; anything My family would need for survival.. call me crazy (or how about.. listen to the Gary Hart, CFR calls for NWO after 9/11 thanks.) I just rather be safe than sorry on this one. I think There's three types involved with the opinions on the subject of NWO which are... NWO enthusiast... who would stop at nothing for it to finally take place; NWO rebels.. who are going to retaliate at full force, and stop at nothing from ALLOWING it to take place, and NWO illiterates. Who have no idea about it and/OR do not consider it to be a serious enough matter *to have one person go insane with power once they have it!!!!* and think " Oh that will never happen.. and if it ever did happen!!! Everything will work out just fine because I live in never never land!!... " or simply because "the world needs chaos to thrive!" Chaos is fine to an extent.. but I don't think too many people want to see WORLD spread chaos.

If a NWO is to emerge.. does anyone believe the people who make up this complete world are going to have ANY say in it at all without having to completely riot over it to have their voices heard throughout the world; after all, the world is made up of typical average joes. Here comes the chaos.. oh and after it settles.. I'm sure there will be peace.. seeing how the ones who probably start the chaos are going to elminated. It's not the thought of it working out that scares me.. it's the thought of what's going to happen BEFORE it "works out." dontgetit.gif ohmy.gif *breathes deep and clicks ~^POST^~* should I duck as well ?? ;o)


I suppose it all depends on your take of NWO or one world government (if they are the same thing) and what this actually means.

Why should you immediately assume all will be bad resulting in chaos with one insane person drunk on power calling the shots thats not the way the EU happened and the EU certainly is not 'never never land'. Precedent has been set for merging of clashing cultures many times throughout history and do you not think those tribes and countries that were merged into a single entity were originally afraid of what it would mean for them ?. However the resulting culture of the 'unity' would take the best of the 'clashing' cultures resulting in a better society/ economic situation for all, its called progress and has been happening since the dawn of time with a one world government a logical conclusion. It wont happen overnight of course but aside from the usual mountain-man-militia-conspiracy-theory speel I don't see a serious reason against it in your post. It will be those stockpiling food/ammo and weapons fighting (militarily...no shock there) against a world democracy that will cause the chaos. Should the world democratically decide against it it will not come to be, the states cannot occupy a 2nd world nation of 20 million so there is no chance of them forcing this upon the world as a whole,more likely it will be the rest of the world forcing it upon the states.
SavvyWitch
QUOTE(Moon Monkey @ Dec 27 2006, 04:36 AM) [snapback]1474878[/snapback]
I suppose it all depends on your take of NWO or one world government (if they are the same thing) and what this actually means.

Okay... let me try to keep this sweet and to the point (so much for short no.gif) . I Think it more depends on the WORLDS take on NWO lead by america not just mine.

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Why should you immediately assume all will be bad resulting in chaos with one insane person drunk on power calling the shots thats not the way the EU happened and the EU certainly is not 'never never land'.
I didn't say that ALL would be bad. I said the begining would be. Possibly you're not aware of the USA's controversy of being in war, etc... I shouldn't have to go into details on it.. do a google search. The EU is completely different from the USA and aparently your nation for the moment has nothing to worry about because it's already merged, but it's in NO way of a WORLD order. So please stop thinking the same will come to be with the ENTIRE world. BTW, I never did say that EU *Was* "never never land" also, I never took shots at the EU. I know very little about it as a matter of fact.. because I don't live there. The little information that I do know.. is what I googled out of it to see when it was formed.

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Precedent has been set for merging of clashing cultures many times throughout history and do you not think those tribes and countries that were merged into a single entity were originally afraid of what it would mean for them ?.

I'm sure they were concerned, who wouldn't be to know what is going to come when two different cultures merge.. possibly they didn't have TOO much to worry about because one portion of the nation wasn't yelling out "we'll kill you anyway we can, however we can, as long as you just DIE."

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However the resulting culture of the 'unity' would take the best of the 'clashing' cultures resulting in a better society/ economic situation for all, its called progress and has been happening since the dawn of time with a one world government a logical conclusion.
you term clashing completely differently than the way I used it.. but I can deal with that. But I have no problems with understanding it can help a lot of nations that would need it, yes it would be one of the pro's of NWO. It doesn't necessairly throw me into a complete 180 (degree turn) and say wo wo wo ... yes!! bring on NWO.

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It wont happen overnight of course but aside from the usual mountain-man-militia-conspiracy-theory speel I don't see a serious reason against it in your post. [color=#FF0000]It will be those stockpiling food/ammo and weapons fighting (militarily...no shock there) against a world democracy that will cause the chaos.

The reason for being against it is that, the talk of AMERICA bringing on the NWO. Is it just me or does anyone else understand how much america is hated right now ? To bring on a NWO at THIS time.. would be a very bad idea. Highlighted area: Those stockpiling food/ammo and weapons is not going to be a majority of idiots who fight for nothing, it'll be people who are going to have the understanding of being prepared for the worst and praying for the best, and trying to protect their family from radicals. I suppose if you're nation was invaded you'd invite people trying to kill you in for a cup of tea and to talk it over as to why they want to kill you? The chaos would be certain leaders saying " Oh yes... we can make this happen." and once it happens... their people completely turn on the new.. "One world government" idea and... retaliate.

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Should the world democratically decide against it it will not come to be, the states cannot occupy a 2nd world nation of 20 million so there is no chance of them forcing this upon the world as a whole,more likely it will be the rest of the world forcing it upon the states.


American view -- Instead of democracy being a government of the people, by the people, and for he people, American democracy has evolved into a government over the people, with dissent tolerated as long as it is not effective. In the U.S. style democracy, the people are deceived, lied to, and manipulated into acceptance of policies which are against their own interest, or which have significant side affects that are hidden until irreversible. In the U.S. model of democracy, the governing elite decides for the public which policies are appropriate, and the public is manipulated through endless propaganda into believing that public debt is good, that transfer of national wealth from the many to the few is appropriate, and that war is necessary to make peace. The public, in its stupor and unquestioning acceptance, is often not even conscious of its own lost freedom and increased injury. -- I Guess that should sum it up as to WHY I Wouldn't want america bringing on the NWO. Also, america is still in middle east, because radicals DO NOT want democracy in THEIR nation. So I would think that certain countries are not going to. Now if someone want's to give documented proof that the NWO is going to bring peace love and understanding, from other nations; then, I'll consider shoving the foot into thy mouth.. Until then.. BAD IDEA FOR AMERICAS PRESIDENT or any other of politician to be throwing that phrase around like it's candy. BTW, when bush jr said "we're attacking" UN didn't give much insite to it except " no stay out of it." No other nation said " do it.. I dare you." (oh.. yeah thats right bin laden did... but.. really now, this guy wasn't a UN offical. Hope this meets up to your satisfactory Moon Monkey. I have a feeling.. I'm sure it wont be.. but it's a lot better than " JUST BECAUSE!" and of course, let me remind you that this is MY view as to why a NWO would be bad. Sorry for the long post.. hope this helps you to understand my first post. ohmy.gif hmm.gif
tribalactivity
What will trigger A New World Order? A large scale terrorist attack on China 2008 Olympics?
Moon Monkey
[quote name='SavvyWitch' date='Dec 27 2006, 12:16 PM' post='1474899']

No it is good to discuss it, I didn't mean to try and rubbish any of your points, I quoted you in full out of laziness. However I think we got bogged down with the idea of the States bringing on the NWO whereas, I believe, it is just as likely that it will be the rest of the world bringing it on to counter american overlordship in the current order and yes you did provide more than 'because it is' and without resorting to lizard overlords and conspiracy theory, so thanks.

Who would have thought 60 years ago that Britain, Germany and France would be governed by the same council (except maybe Hitler and his cronies) or even 20 years ago that Poland and some of the other eastern bloc countries would join? Who knows ? what seems ridiculous now could easily come to pass.

I do wonder how long the States would hold on alones as a totally seperate international pariah before launching an all out war against the rest of the world. This and the idea of you stockpiling ammo, weapons etc. reminded me of John Titor , who claimed he came from the future and said that the States had a civil war (i think it was supposed to start in 2004 so he was wrong there) and the Russians helped one side and wiped out the american cities resulting in a better society for american country folk (who were the other side in the civil war), but without any mention of a NWO and he came from 2036 so no need to worry for a while.

Anyway when 19 terrorists can perform an act which results in wars where hundreds of thousands die absolutely anything is possible and anything I, you or anyone else says is simply conjecture, ideas and opinions unless backed up by hard facts which must be few and far between for this subject. The only way we will ever know if it is for the good or the bad is when it happens and by then it may be too late. There will always be people pro and against with agendas that suit them personally whereas I couldn't really care less as I live most of the year in the middle of nowhere (Israeli desert) and would be one of the last affected as no way would this place accept losing its own identity without a big fight in which I would probably die.

As usual I think religious zealots will be the cause of the 'bad', making any idea of world harmony under one government a pipe-dream
SavvyWitch
QUOTE(Moon Monkey @ Dec 27 2006, 10:01 AM) [snapback]1475046[/snapback]
No it is good to discuss it, I didn't mean to try and rubbish any of your points, I quoted you in full out of laziness. However I think we got bogged down with the idea of the States bringing on the NWO whereas, I believe, it is just as likely that it will be the rest of the world bringing it on to counter american overlordship in the current order and yes you did provide more than 'because it is' and without resorting to lizard overlords and conspiracy theory, so thanks.


From the videos that have been posted in this thread, it is america pushing for the NWO, and unless it's gone about the right way with an open mind I think it's going to be a completely bad idea at this time for it to be pursued, or even mentioned. America isn't exactly favorable at the moment to be bringing this issue up. On the other note about lizard overlords and conspiracy theory, people are thinking of bush as the one who's going to set the NWO, I personally don't think it's going to happen this way for the simple fact, the man isn't stupid (I wouldn't go as far to say he's a genius either), but I think the man know's when he's lost his creditability, which he has completely lost with UN so as for this man bringing on the NWO... I say HAHAHAHAHA (to make this clear... this is MY OWN personal opinion) and Thank you.. I'll accept the above as a compliment.

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I do wonder how long the States would hold on alones as a totally seperate international pariah before launching an all out war against the rest of the world.
I Think for america to start an all out WWIII, it's going to take a lot of disrespect from more than just a couple of nations, and an all out invasion on USA soil for it to take place, and even so if this did happen, I'd be willing to bet that somewhere along that; fine, line the "nuke" button is going to taken into grave consideration.

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This and the idea of you stockpiling ammo, weapons etc. reminded me of John Titor , who claimed he came from the future and said that the States had a civil war (i think it was supposed to start in 2004 so he was wrong there) and the Russians helped one side and wiped out the american cities resulting in a better society for american country folk (who were the other side in the civil war), but without any mention of a NWO and he came from 2036 so no need to worry for a while.


Well... I'm not familiar with John Titor and really am being lazy about it to not google it but I'm also not going to fall into that story it just sounds completely, lack of a better word ridiculous. I'll just ignore that one for now. But as for the "stockpiling ammo, weapons, etc..." I'm not sure but I'm willing to risk saying the majority of US citizens own at least one firearm, if not a firearm, then at least something for personal self defense even if it's just pepper spray to blind someone to make a get'a'way from the person who is threatening them. I won't go into detail (and yes I know this is off topic bare with me it's just an example, because I could start a whole new topic with the subject.. )But when the levies broke with hurricane katrina.. I saw a complete eye full that officially has me believing in "prepare for the worst pray for the best." and since that little episode, I now own a cell phone, and looking soon to get my concealed handgun license, along with putting survival supplies into my car. Some people may never feel the need to protect themselves but after having what seemed to be 40-50 people swarming our truck and start rocking it, like they was trying to turn it over.. then jumping into the back and beating on the windows with their fists trying to break the glass. I've only seen a small, SMALL portion of what "chaos" can bring and I didn't like it. I suppose that's why I have such a problem when it comes to people saying " oh.... the world needs some chaos to thrive." Natural chaos.. that's fine... chaos within humanity.. are you nutz, or would you enjoy being in the killing fields where ever you go ?!

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There will always be people pro and against with agendas that suit them personally whereas I couldn't really care less as I live most of the year in the middle of nowhere (Israeli desert) and would be one of the last affected as no way would this place accept losing its own identity without a big fight in which I would probably die.

As usual I think religious zealots will be the cause of the 'bad', making any idea of world harmony under one government a pipe-dream

Basically you just summed up my whole viewpoint on a NWO. Curious about the second highlighted area, care to explain?
sapius_potis
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Moon Monkey: Yes some of the early mergers (100's or 1000 years ago) were acheived militarily but surely we have moved on by now ?


What world are you living in? The USA is in the process of enforcing its new world order by force as we speak. You need to look at who is behind the implementation of this new world order and what they gain from the agenda.

If people think that once they give one government ultimate power they will be safer or have more freedom they are delusional. The only thing the average person will receive in return is less freedom and more restrictions. I mean the new world order idealists want to microchip the population like cattle so they can monitor their every move. Under a one world government you wont be able to leave your house with swiping your arm on a scanner.

The are slowly taking away our liberties using the Hegelian theory of problem reaction solution. People need to wake up.

I will never submit to a microchip or a national identity card.
SavvyWitch
QUOTE(sapius_potis @ Dec 27 2006, 11:55 PM) [snapback]1475816[/snapback]
What world are you living in? The USA is in the process of enforcing its new world order by force as we speak. You need to look at who is behind the implementation of this new world order and what they gain from the agenda.

If people think that once they give one government ultimate power they will be safer or have more freedom they are delusional. The only thing the average person will receive in return is less freedom and more restrictions. I mean the new world order idealists want to microchip the population like cattle so they can monitor their every move. Under a one world government you wont be able to leave your house with swiping your arm on a scanner.

The are slowly taking away our liberties using the Hegelian theory of problem reaction solution. People need to wake up.

I will never submit to a microchip or a national identity card.


They actually can already do this through satellites in space, etc..

I agree also, I wouldn't submit to having a microchip put under my skin either, all that leads into the doomsayers theory though about the antichrist, etc.. Anyway... I was curious do you have driver license in your nation ?? or some form of social security number from birth like the states ??
Moon Monkey
QUOTE(SavvyWitch @ Dec 28 2006, 01:27 AM) [snapback]1475616[/snapback]
Basically you just summed up my whole viewpoint on a NWO. Curious about the second highlighted area, care to explain?


Basically that bit just says that I could never see Israel giving up its Jewish identity (i'm not jewish, long story) and it would take some serious force to make them do it so this place would be one of the last to accept it, if they ever did, and I live in one of the most remote areas so would be one of the last areas in the last countries to join up. I would not stand by while my wifes family and my friends fight, I would have to do my bit, and with me being more academic than action man, I would probably get killed.

Anyway spent most of yesterday looking into the story of NWO and it all gets a bit confusing with Illuminati and such. Seems that it all starts with 'fallen angels' or something or other in ancient Babylon/Ur. These 'gods' then spend thousands of years setting up the dominant civilisations of the time moving through Babylon, Israel, Egypt, Greece then Rome, maintaining the bloodline all along. Finally there are a number of ruling 'families' in Europe (Black Nobility?) and the Pope (the Black Pope?) running the show. This is continued through to the States with the Jesuits, their bankers (rothchilds, rockerfellers and morgan) and these ruling families planning and plotting everything from world wars to stock market crashes to force us to accept small changes in our world 'for our security' or 'for our economic benefit' and this led to the United Nations, the EU , Nafta and APEC. Stories about all presidents having the bloodline of the british royal family ( I would like to see a full family tree for that, I didn't see one) , JFK killed by a Jesuit hit squad for wanting to return the reserve to the treasury, on the start of the American civil war and Lincolns assasination, skull and bones and many, many more. Even a story about the Jesuits downing the Titanic to get rid of Guggenheim, Astor and (name escapes me) who were using their cash against the plot to start ww1. If only a small proportion of what I read/saw is true then I would have to agree that things may indeed be bad should they get their way. However there seems to be lot less information out there posing the opposite view so I only really got the bad side of the story.

Absolutly amazing story anyway especially the early stuff about these 'fallen angels' and their continued blood line whatever your feelings about it, could be a hit movie !

Anyone got any good links to the early stuff in Ur/Babylon/Egypt etc. as the bits I did see were really interesting, a bit wild maybe including stuff about us being scientific experiments, wiped out and started again and that we are closely related to pigs which is why we shouldn't eat pigs. I am sure all this is in this site somewhere but it is absolutely fascinating.

I wont be taking any chip or anything either if that does happen, I think I will wait until we see if it is going to be a good or bad thing before I raise my head above the parapet. However I do have a biometric uk passport and a national insurance number and my driving liscence in uk is now illegal as it doesn't have photo id. Still quite a way from microchipping us tho.
explorer

The NWO will have to slip under our doors. On the face of it, there'll be too many people in the West, and elsewhere, objecting to feeling even more responsible for all the other problems in the world than they think they already are.

Militarily, if the Coalition can't defeat a network of terrorists, insurgents etc in Iraq, it hasn't much chance of holding sway over the entire planet.

Following on from Savvywitch's description of her post Katrina scare, and that would have been terrifying, there's more chance of a global disaster leading to a truly new world disorder, whether it be pandemic, mass earthquakes, nuclear accident or even a meteor strike, or all of them.

The closest we'll get to a NWO is through an economic model. That is where we're heading and it is slipping under our doors like the gradual loss of cabin pressure on an airplane that renders us unconscious. The elected leaders aren't the ones we most need to worry about. They're the ones we can slay on the sword of the mighty pen (with a bit of string attached so we can't steal it from the voting booth.)

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Kinge31
Let's face it people, humans are a roudy race, we cannot co-exist with eachother because of petty differences. If a New World Order were to occur, strict and immense punishment would most definitely be necessary. Even now our governments around the world can not keep complete peace and keep ALL of their people happy, if the world were to fall into the hands of a single government, the black helicopters and undercover agents would be on our ass worse that algae in a pond. Also we can not forget the fact that communism would play a role in this order, and as we all know from history, that never works out well. Some tyranical maniac takes control and creates a dictatorship. All hell will breaks loose,in the past all empires have fallen, rebels would start their own societies and in the future the rebellion against this order would initiate the end of civilization, if world war 3 doesnt get here first. basically, we are all screwed hmm.gif
sapius_potis
QUOTE(SavvyWitch @ Dec 28 2006, 05:11 PM) [snapback]1475835[/snapback]
They actually can already do this through satellites in space, etc..

I agree also, I wouldn't submit to having a microchip put under my skin either, all that leads into the doomsayers theory though about the antichrist, etc.. Anyway... I was curious do you have driver license in your nation ?? or some form of social security number from birth like the states ??


Yes but using those satellites in space they cant pinpoint your location. They have to find you first, only then can they track you. With the chip they can punch in your number and bang they have your location.

Yes I do have a drivers license, which contains a drivers license number (not everyone has one). As for social security, as far as I know you get the number when you sign up to receive benefits, whether the number is predetermined with the Births registrar I'm not sure. Everyone has a birth certificate which contains a unique identification number.

The national identity card that I refer to is a card that they have been trying to bring in for over 10 years, which contains your biometrics on it, along with every other piece of information about you.

Also anyone born after about 1975 in Australia had their DNA taken, which is stored in a database. Most people don't know about this. I have since had mine returned. My parents new nothing of this and they organization that held my DNA acknowledged that they had no permission to take it. I truly believe that they will start micro chipping people without their consent.
thunkerdrone
There is no need for a world government. The idea that a one-world government is necessary, based on the assumption that one-world govt. is necessary to eliminate conflict, is wrong.
Most of the major wars have been engineered by elites to begin with. Mankind is not intrinsically evil or warlike. Major wars are instigated and extended not by some elemental 'capacity for
war' in the common man, but by the elites who profit economically and politically from such manipulations. Global government will achieve nothing but the enslavement of all humanity to
itself. This is the primary motive of those pushing for it.

asc.rudeboy
i ahve a hard time believeing that the time of the new world order i now! for one they just repelled the brady bill and gun bans,you dont let a people easliy arm themselves if your gonna try to control them.when i see the goverment coming for your guns,not just putting limitations on the guns you can buy,but when they start collecting your guns...then thats when the NWO is coming.that will be the first sign. and i dont know about the rest of america but in the south, there will be a civil war over that..id say 8 out of every 10 houses in my area have a firearm,either for hunting or self defence or both.to me thats when the trouble will show up,,,the day they say we dont need and cant have our firearms.
SavvyWitch
QUOTE(sapius_potis @ Jan 8 2007, 07:48 PM) [snapback]1493124[/snapback]
I truly believe that they will start micro chipping people without their consent.


There is no doubt in my mind that this would be done. It could be happening now.
What did you do about the situation after they acknowledged hey had no permission to take it ?? Also, how did you come to find out they had this DNA stored, and how did you get them to return it ?
I completely agree.. they will start micro chipping people without their consent, be it through going to jail, be it through going to your local ER/doctor. I think it is going to exceptionally easy for them to do it with newborns as well. Personally I think this is where it is going to start.
Afterl1fe
QUOTE(tribalactivity @ Dec 27 2006, 04:32 AM) [snapback]1474904[/snapback]
What will trigger A New World Order? A large scale terrorist attack on China 2008 Olympics?


perhaps a Comet or Asteroid impact? yes.gif and yes I am going to quote scripture innocent.gif "I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. (Rev. 6:12-14 NKJV)" this would certainly be the right time for this to happen. all the pieces are in place, now... we wait for the Comets/Asteroids. yes.gif
BTW this is my first post.
MoonPrincess
QUOTE(Afterl1fe @ Jan 9 2007, 08:53 AM) [snapback]1493757[/snapback]
perhaps a Comet or Asteroid impact? yes.gif and yes I am going to quote scripture innocent.gif "I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. (Rev. 6:12-14 NKJV)" this would certainly be the right time for this to happen. all the pieces are in place, now... we wait for the Comets/Asteroids. yes.gif
BTW this is my first post.


How do you know that going to come true? We have the tech (one way or other) to stop that. From hitting us! disgust.gif I don't think anyone would want a space rock to kill us all.

I'm between beleiving this or not. I don't known much about "NWO" right now. ^^ But this topic is very interesting.
Blueguardian
QUOTE(SavvyWitch @ Dec 27 2006, 09:09 PM) [snapback]1474864[/snapback]
Everything will work out just fine because I live in never never land!!... " or simply because "the world needs chaos to thrive!" Chaos is fine to an extent.. but I don't think too many people want to see WORLD spread chaos.



hello everyone i am from never never land and i am completly shocked at how everyone goes agains our peacful little (no pun) community, why are you all against us what kind of threat are we , we cant even drive a car crying.gif everyone picks on the little guys crying.gif
Falco Rex
QUOTE(asc.rudeboy @ Jan 8 2007, 11:52 PM) [snapback]1493400[/snapback]
i ahve a hard time believeing that the time of the new world order i now! for one they just repelled the brady bill and gun bans,you dont let a people easliy arm themselves if your gonna try to control them.when i see the goverment coming for your guns,not just putting limitations on the guns you can buy,but when they start collecting your guns...then thats when the NWO is coming.that will be the first sign. and i dont know about the rest of america but in the south, there will be a civil war over that..id say 8 out of every 10 houses in my area have a firearm,either for hunting or self defence or both.to me thats when the trouble will show up,,,the day they say we dont need and cant have our firearms.


Well, here's my thing..If I wanted to rule the world, I wouldn't want less guns. I'd want more guns..
With the people who owned them pointing them at exactly who I wanted them to point at..
Other than that little aside of personal opinion, I don't actually believe in the NWO..I think it's a pretty overplayed plot device at this point, and we're I a potential dictator I'd probably use stories just like these to cause enough fear, doubt and unrest to get people to follow me instead..
A big, shadowy organization that doesn't exist is almost a perfect paranoic vehicle to drive towards domination..
SavvyWitch
QUOTE(Blueguardian @ Jan 10 2007, 01:40 AM) [snapback]1495092[/snapback]
hello everyone i am from never never land and i am completly shocked at how everyone goes agains our peacful little (no pun) community, why are you all against us what kind of threat are we , we cant even drive a car crying.gif everyone picks on the little guys crying.gif

rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(Falco Rex @ Jan 10 2007, 01:47 AM) [snapback]1495098[/snapback]
Other than that little aside of personal opinion, I don't actually believe in the NWO..I think it's a pretty overplayed plot device at this point, and we're I a potential dictator I'd probably use stories just like these to cause enough fear, doubt and unrest to get people to follow me instead..
A big, shadowy organization that doesn't exist is almost a perfect paranoic vehicle to drive towards domination..


Back on topic!... That's the whole point of it in my opinion. Whereas most fears (and extremist holy rollers of any sort) are going to come into full play, giving chaos enough to feed off of. Whatever is left from all of that... there will be someone who has the "bright idea, follow me because I have an idea!" is going to be the one who gets the "prize."
Beats the hell out of Hitlers strategy doesn't it ?? There would be a WWIII before the a NWO of any sort takes effect, until then, there is no possible way of *one national leader* taking over ANYTHING, too much cultural heritage and pride within that. wink2.gif IMO of course.
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