SORRY TO BURST ANY BUBBLES HERE, BUT I THINK THERE IS MORE THAN ONE DEVIL. TOO MUCH FOLK LORE HISTORY AND PHYSICAL EVIDENCE TO PROVE OTHERWISE ?

BESIDES, TO THE MAJORITY, `DEVIL` IS ONLY A LABEL, NOT A SPIECES OF `DEMI-gOD`, AS THE UNDERGROUND SOULS AND NON CATHOLIC MONKS MAY PUT IT. SO WHY IS THERE ONLY ONE DEVIL IN OUR BIBLE. A DEVIL THAT IS AN ANGEL NO LESS. FUNNY HUH ? i never figured that one out, so i write to you now.


THAT IS IF YOU EVER MET DEVILS. IN HUMAN SUITES. NO ARGUABULL PROOF ABOUT THE JESUS OR LUCIFER AUTHENTICITIES YET ANYBODY ?


SO WHY IS AN ANGEL CALLED A DEVIL. DOES THE BIBLE EXPLAIN WHY LUCIFER IS A DEVIL, PLEASE SOMBODY EDUATE ME SO I CAN JUST SHUT UP.


PERHAPS THE DEVILS HAVE TAKEN OVER THE LUNATIC ASYLUM AND MADE )ONE OF( THE ANGELS OF LIGHT A BAD GUY)S( ?

WHO KNOWS, MAYBE IT WASN'T THE DEVELS BUT THE FALLEN ANGELS WHO PUKED OVER OUR EVOLUTION WITH CONTINUED MENTAL ENSLAVEMENT, DARK LORDS OF THE NIGHT, DEMONS, LIZARDS, SETH, COCO THE CLOWN.....AND LIED TO US THROUGH FALSE AND FORCEFULLY POPULATED DOCTRINES OF PURVERBIAL`TINVISIBLE GOD`


IF ANYBODY GOT ANY RESEARCH ON THIS DEVIL/ANGEL ASPECT OF LUCIFER, PLEASE PM ME.


P.S. THESE SO CALLED AGENT ) AS A PLURAL ( OF LUCIFER HAVE NOT ALLOWED A SINGLE YEAR OF PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST SINCE ABRAHAM. THERE IS PROOF ONLINE. IN FACT EVIDENCE ONLINE PROVES THE FACT THAT IT WAS THE CATHOLICS WHO SEALED THE LABLE ON LUCIFER AS THE DEVIL. BECAUSE HISTORICALY, IT WAS OUT OF THE HUNDREDS OF VARIATIONS OF PAGAN WORSHIPING RELIGIONS THAT A GROUP FORMED THE CATHOLS AND THE SAME PROCEDURE WAS PROBABLY MANIPULATED FOR ISLAM. WHERE BOTH RELIGIONS FOR ONCE HOLD A SUPPOSED COMMON ENEMY......DEVILS......()

I ALSO KNOW THAT MEN IN POWER HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO SOMETIMES MAKE THE ODD ERROR IN THE LINE OF DUTY.


ALL I CAN FEEL OF THE NEW TESTAMENT IS THAT JESUS WAS SAYING WHAT LUCIFER IS SUPPOSEDLY DOING.

ONLY PERHAPS SCORES OF CHRISTIANS ACTUALLY DO WORLD WIDE. TOO MANY OMMITIONS AND TOO MUCH DOCTRINE TO ENLIGHTEN THE PHYSICA/MIND AND SPIRIT S THE TRINITY. BUT THE ANSWER IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER. SUPPOSEDLY.

I'm going to have to make a list for you:

1. Typing in Caps is considered shouting, harder to read, and not very pretty.
2. Physical evidence is non existant when it comes to religion.
3. Lucifer was sent to hell because he tried to overthrow God's thrown. He was jealous of us and started a war in heaven.
4. The term "The Devil" is a general title like "God". Lucifer was his angel name but was changed to Satan after he went to hell. The Devil and God are titles like the terms King or Queen...so for example if God died Jesus would be then called God(that is if thats how it works up there).
5. The angels who assisted Lucifer in defying God joined Lucifer in hell. Any minion of Satan is generally refered to as a demon or a devil. These minions are Satan's counterparts to God's angels. When you go to heaven or hell you don't become an angel or demon...you would be seperate.
6. Christianity, Islam, Judiasm, etc. all worship the same God but in slightly different ways.

Disclaimer: Cadetak does not know how much of what he said is biblical canon, acepted by the church, accurate, or true.

Actually you do know a lot about the modern "Christian Mythology", but this is not what the Bible actually says. Lucifer is not even in the Bible because it is a latin word meaning "morning star". It did not enter Christian theology until hundreds of years after Jesus was crucified, and no Hebrew speaking Jew will acknowledge Satan is Lucifer, because there is no lucifer, this is really a passage about the King of Babylon, and has nothing to do with Satan or fallen angels.

Lucifer as a fallen angel was a much later, invented concept of Christianity from around 500 AD I believe.

The creator of the universe cannot have an opponent. This is why God has no opponents in the OT. This is what the term "monotheism" means. Satan works for God, both in the OT and all of the related ancient scriptures which supports this same idea.

Some Christians are monotheists. Some have gone so far as to deny the existence of Satan altogether, which is a bit of a stretch becasue this contradicts the very OT books which Jesus endorsed as a pious Jew.

But these books only show Satan as the obedient servant and even one of the "Sons of God" in the book of Job, long after the Christians claim he seduced Eve. If that later Christian invention were true, why does Satan still have God's trust centuries later?

It is becasue Satan only becomes an opponent after the Jews returned from Babylon, polluted by dualistic Persian ideas of an evil dragon named ahriman who opposes the good God and as punishment is bound and cast into an abyss and when not repentent, is finally cast in the lake of fire. This was not Johns' Revelation vision, it was Perisan mythology written hundreds of years earlier and it infected Jewish theology, just as pagan beliefs have crept into Christian theology, like pagan Saturnalia and Easter rituals.

Satan is NEVER described as an angel in the Bible. The only physical description is that he is a fiery red dragon, which suggests he is a Seraphim, a word in hebrew which means "fiery flying Serpent" and translated by the ancient Jews themselves to the greek word "Drakon" But these dragons, including Satan are heavenly creatures, and there is nothing in the original bible of any of them, Satan included, rebelling from God in the only "Bible" ever acknowledged by Jesus. They seem to have been created as the instruments of God's wrath as various ancient scriptures confirm.

When Christian mythology contradicts the Holy Torah Jesus endorsed, it is imprudent to blindly accept it as the Truth. You can blindly take the belief the New Testament is all "inspired" because a Catholic Pope said so, even though the the books contradict one another. Or you can accept Jesus as the Son of God, as these men did, but understand they lived in a time when Judaism was contaminated with pagan Perisan and Greek theology, and understand that these good but simple men are a product of that time.

When Jesus cured the physically sick, this they could understand. When Jesus cured the mentally ill, this they couldn't understand. Instead, Schizophrenia became the pagan Greek invisible "daemons", that crept into Jewish theology after Alexander brought Hellenistic culture to the land of Israel. When the obedient Seraph dragon came to Jesus in the Wilderness to fullfill the Old Testament prophecies, and place the Messiah and the Jewish nation over all the powers of the secular world, Jesus refused him, because to accomplish this millions would die in the jaws of Satan and the other Seraphim. Instead, Jesus chose to die instead, so that these otherwise doomed pagans might seek redemption. This truth, the disciples again couldn't understand. So this became the improbable "temptations of Satan", which again makes no sense in a Monotheism where a creator God could have no rivals. When Jesus called Satan the prince of this world, it is because God Hhimself put Satan in that position, just as the book of Job claims, Satan watches the world and reports the inequities of man to God, and God allows his servant Satan to punish mankind.

These concepts of monotheism still cannot be comprehended by the vast majority of Christians of "gentile" origin. These Christians need a dualistic theology because they cannot accept a single monotheistic Creator responsible for good and evil, even though this is stated in the Holy Torah that Jesus believed

the bible tells us man don't walk the earth alone , but with spiritual beings ,principalitys or demons in high places Satan is just the leader i suspect their is millions of these fallen spiritual beings . Some figgure maybe 1/3 of all the spiritual beings are fallen and what we refer too as demons or devils . There seems to be like a prince of of major citys , so i guess this world has a kind of a hidden goverment that is actually helping goverments of man run this earth towards its distruction .
This spirit world is very busy decieveing and putting on shows most religions are inspired by this spirit world .

for this earth to have peace in the future this spirit world has to be locked up and for 1000 years the evil spirits will be locked up and the earth will get peace . After the 1000 years the evil spirits are released and even with Christ being here for the 1000 years they are capable of decieveing the world to war again . So i Guess the spirit world is very good at inspiring hate and decieveing .

Satan is the God of this world at this time he has most humans decieved into following him . He is very good at what he does . and loves to lie and decieve. And yes he has lots of Help .

Hi Jet Savage:

I agree with you; I think there is more than one devil too. I believe that just as in the Holy Realm there is a hierarchy of angels, there exists a hierarchy in the Evil Realm as well. Just as the Father of the angels is God, the father of the devils is Satan. He is, as the Bible states, "the father of all lies." Some angels are called devils because they are the fallen angels caused by the war in the heavens. I believe Satan and his devils are very intelligent, cunning, and powerful. In the lower parts of the hierarchy we find demons. I've read several books on demonology and exorcisms, and you can easily see the difference in the way devils operate and the way demons operate.

You're right, Jet. There is ancient text that was purposefully omitted in the Bible by the early Church. It's like they were saying "Oh this one sounds good, let's add this one. Oh this other one sounds too outlandish....let's omit that one." I'm so glad scholars have begun to bring some of this omitted text to the forefront so that the public can read it.

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~ Isis

Satan/Lucifer/Devil ...

Here’s a brief synopsis of The Origins of Satan by Professor Elaine Pagels (Princeton University):

“Pagels charts the evolution of the Jewish and Christian concept of evil from Old Testament times to the present day (although the majority of the book deals with the New Testament era). She explains how ' Satan ' didn't always refer to an evil being but was initially used to represent an obstacle. After that meaning, it evolved into a meaning which was used to unify your group against your enemies/adversaries or 'satan'. The Jews still don't, nor did they ever, believe in or create the Satan/Devil being/creature/character of Christian lore.

It wasn't until New Testament times and later that the concept of an evil being who is actually called 'Satan' or the 'Devil' or ' Lucifer ' evolved. It is interesting to see how these concepts have continued to persist throughout religious and political history with groups stigmatizing others not in their group (whether it be religious, political, racial, etc.) as being 'of the devil'. Dictatorships and other authoritarian organizations always need an external enemy to bind their followers together.”

The Origins of Satan
http://www.amazon.com/Origin-Satan-Elaine-...TF8&s=books

John J. Robinson A Pilgrim's Path, pp. 47-48:

"Lucifer makes his appearance in the fourteenth chapter of the Old Testament book of Isaiah, at the twelfth verse, and nowhere else: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

The first problem is that Lucifer is a Latin name. So how did it find its way into a Hebrew manuscript, written before there was a Roman language? To find the answer, I consulted a scholar at the library of the Hebrew Union College in Cincinnati. What Hebrew name, I asked, was Satan given in this chapter of Isaiah, which describes the angel who fell to become the ruler of hell?

The answer was a surprise. In the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference. The Hebrew scholar could only speculate that some early Christian scribes, writing in the Latin tongue used by the Church, had decided for themselves that they wanted the story to be about a fallen angel, a creature not even mentioned in the original Hebrew text, and to whom they gave the name "Lucifer."

Why Lucifer? In Roman astronomy, Lucifer was the name given to the morning star (the star we now know by another Roman name, Venus). The morning star appears in the heavens just before dawn, heralding the rising sun. The name derives from the Latin term lucem ferre, bringer, or bearer, of light." In the Hebrew text the expression used to describe the Babylonian king before his death is Helal, son of Shahar, which can best be translated as "Day star, son of the Dawn." The name evokes the golden glitter of a proud king's dress and court (much as his personal splendor earned for King Louis XIV of France the appellation, "The Sun King").

The scholars authorized by ... King James I to translate the Bible into current English did not use the original Hebrew texts, but used versions translated ... largely by St. Jerome in the fourth century. Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, "Day star, son of the Dawn," as "Lucifer," and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place. Lucifer the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule eternally in hell. Theologians, writers, and poets interwove the myth with the doctrine of the Fall, and in Christian tradition Lucifer is now the same as Satan, the Devil, and--ironically--the Prince of Darkness.

So "Lucifer" is nothing more than an ancient Latin name for the morning star, the bringer of light. That can be confusing for Christians who identify Christ himself as the morning star, a term used as a central theme in many Christian sermons. Jesus refers to himself as the morning star in Revelation 22:16: "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

And so there are those who do not read beyond the King James version of the Bible, who say 'Lucifer is Satan: so says the Word of God'...."

Kindly,

Sean

Happy Holidays ya'll.

Cadetak47

Yeah I'm angry. I have masons on my back. SO THE STYLE I WRITE FITS THE MOOD.


1 Lead your criticisms only towards your leaders who still lead you into a fearful world not a safe one.

2 TRY SITTING BACK FROM THE SCREEN

3 TRY ASSUMING LESS AND KNOWING MORE

4 Don't try, DO.


Ugly world till you choose what to see or look at.


I like this topic though.. So much to learn, thank you all so much. I hope this helps to remind me that the rabbit hole is supposed to be deep. I will return and comment/argue after digesting it all. Thanks, because I am so confused with ` here say` and `folk lore` and `Official History`.


I thought the Morning Star was the Sun god Sol, not Venus. Maybe Venus is his love or a tempering of the Sun Light upon the earth via who knows what influence Venus may hold. but i only guess.

I guess I am attempting to research the politics behind bible history control and religions in general.

Some nice ideas about Lucifer. Actually though I was on about devils.
I once saw a school story book about devils. The book was modern too.

Nothing much on the internet about them. Strange, especially when you compare to a search on Lucifer. Popular belief is in one devil, but all around the world old stories exist of these creatures of the serpent variety that were labeled devils at one point but i am attempting to clarify this with poor success.

The concept of creations just below the angels and just above man in the food chain is rarely shown these days isolating Lucifer even more as a bad guy in religious politics.



The concept of Lucifer is modern by all data in the responses above and do not go far back into history as the current religions have managed to suppress and superseed with their own history's I have learned. Even the Taliban were supressing the females again recently, yet Muslims in Cairo today still populate a pagan goddess temple of old persian Egypt, perhaps in the times just after they finally stole those lands from the then Africans.

I guess the Rabbit hole goes much deeper. I don't believe the hype if our scholars are following knowledge resources from our current currept power bases dedicated to really worshipping, Hmmmm, now let me think who......


What I want to find out is probably described via the Buddhists, who generally feel that if one creature is evil, then all creatures are evil. I only just remember where I first studied about devils. from A buddhist temple years ago.

gods, demi-gods and of course, the demons which are usually painted all over the outside of their temples. I thini I will research there as they seem to at least catagorize these creatures right through the levels up to the so many heavens and what not. Thanks anyway.

The last time I checked the bible consisted of both old and new testaments. How funny that some so called scholars always target the NT as being mythical, but will use the OT for their arguments. But they cannot because there is no one here who can actually read hebrew, so they will use their own "mythological" books to support their own fairy tales. The Nt has just as much weight to argue a point as does the OT. The NT writers forgot more of the origins of Satan than we will know. I think they had had far more credibility than what some people here do not like to admit.

That is not entirely accurate, why? it was hebrew speaking jews who translated their hebrew text to greek commonly referred to as the Septuagint. Thought perhaps I should claer that up for you.