Lucifer


Christians mistakenly believe Lucifer is the name of a fallen angel cast out of Heaven by God to become an evil red devil called Satan.


There is nothing in the historical record, or even in the Bible, to substantiate this story. For example, the name Lucifer is a Latin word that comes to us from the Roman astronomers. They referred to the planet Venus as the morning star because it appears in the sky just before dawn and heralds the rising sun.


The name Lucifer first appears in the King James Version, Fourteenth Chapter of the Old Testament Book of Isaiah. It reads: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"


The problem with that text is that it is Latin. A search of the original Hebrew text reveals that there is no reference to Lucifer or Satan in that same verse. It is a story about a fall of an ancient Babylonian king. Somebody, possibly a scribe or other angelically possessed religious scholar, took it upon himself to embellish the story.


The question: why would the angels go to such lengths to insert this story into the Bible text?

Aaron C. Donahues interpretation of early events, derived through a technique he calls the acquisition and practical application of non-historical data (PAN), suddenly makes sense.

Donahue believes Lucifer is a reference to an alien being, or civilization, that manipulated the genes of Earth primates to create humans. He says this manipulation began thousands of years ago and may have continued until quite recently.


Consequently, he says it is proper to consider Lucifer as the father of the human race, rather than the evil ruler of Hell as depicted by the church.



The purpose of this genetic experiment, by a race of high-tech and ultra intelligent creatures from another planet and perhaps even another dimension, was to create a third-dimensional information system. All humans are information gatherers. We are like individual electrical transmission towers, sending brain signals of everything we see and learn into a common matrix of data known as the collective consciousness.

Rest of His Perspective

You can’t throw a stone without hitting someone who thinks we originated by aliens, or beings from another dimension! And because it all been said before, the claims and reasoning behind why we are here, is getting wilder with very new person to come along who has a theory - which is all it is, a theory.

I was led to believe - when I was young - that Lucifer was not a fallen angel, or the devil himself, but one of Satan’s many nephilim children that he had before the flood! And Lucifer means “Bring to Light.”

But an interesting theory all the same…

This is my understanding of this article:

Lucifer, is actually a higher form of life helping us to develop our brain-power. But there are other "aliens" preventing such a thing from happening, which, I think relates to the many UFO sightings and alien abductions that people have claimed to have happenend to them.

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So what about god? Where does God fit into this? The narrator (author: James Donahue) is saying that god is trying to understand himself through our eyes?

People think that God is a powerful entity and force, why does Donahue seem like he's more in league with Lucifer than God himself?

Well its a confusing theoretical proposal, but there are good logical thoughts on this topic. A very interesting one, indeed.

Lucifer is the light bringer

Lucifer was the light bringer; but from the story that can be weaved from the many books of the Bible, he falls to become darkness. Lucifer ws origionaly the one in heaven that was to be second in command, the bible seems to imply in many places that was the position that he held for Eons. Then he decided that he wanted to be equal with God (he never wanted to replace God) and so gaining other followers Lucifer began a rebellion; which according to the Bible ended with 1/3 of heavens forces under Lucifer's control. And from ther the biograpy of Lucifer grows darker than night, til at Revalation he is described as a dragon trying to devore heaven and earth.

All I can say is Anything Is Possible.

People should do more studying and watch less TV.

The word "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14:12 presents a minor problem to mainstream Christianity. It becomes a much larger problem to Bible literalists, and becomes a huge obstacle for the claims of Mormonism. John J. Robinson in A Pilgrim's Path, pp. 47-48 explains:

"Lucifer makes his appearance in the fourteenth chapter of the Old Testament book of Isaiah, at the twelfth verse, and nowhere else: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"
The first problem is that Lucifer is a Latin name. So how did it find its way into a Hebrew manuscript, written before there was a Roman language? To find the answer, I consulted a scholar at the library of the Hebrew Union College in Cincinnati. What Hebrew name, I asked, was Satan given in this chapter of Isaiah, which describes the angel who fell to become the ruler of hell?

The answer was a surprise. In the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference. The Hebrew scholar could only speculate that some early Christian scribes, writing in the Latin tongue used by the Church, had decided for themselves that they wanted the story to be about a fallen angel, a creature not even mentioned in the original Hebrew text, and to whom they gave the name "Lucifer."

Why Lucifer? In Roman astronomy, Lucifer was the name given to the morning star (the star we now know by another Roman name, Venus). The morning star appears in the heavens just before dawn, heralding the rising sun. The name derives from the Latin term lucem ferre, bringer, or bearer, of light." In the Hebrew text the expression used to describe the Babylonian king before his death is Helal, son of Shahar, which can best be translated as "Day star, son of the Dawn." The name evokes the golden glitter of a proud king's dress and court (much as his personal splendor earned for King Louis XIV of France the appellation, "The Sun King").

The scholars authorized by ... King James I to translate the Bible into current English did not use the original Hebrew texts, but used versions translated ... largely by St. Jerome in the fourth century. Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, "Day star, son of the Dawn," as "Lucifer," and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place. Lucifer the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule eternally in hell. Theologians, writers, and poets interwove the myth with the doctrine of the Fall, and in Christian tradition Lucifer is now the same as Satan, the Devil, and --- ironically --- the Prince of Darkness.

So "Lucifer" is nothing more than an ancient Latin name for the morning star, the bringer of light. That can be confusing for Christians who identify Christ himself as the morning star, a term used as a central theme in many Christian sermons. Jesus refers to himself as the morning star in Revelation 22:16: "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

And so there are those who do not read beyond the King James version of the Bible, who say 'Lucifer is Satan: so says the Word of God'...."

Henry Neufeld (a Christian who comments on Biblical sticky issues) went on to say,
"this passage is often related to Satan, and a similar thought is expressed in Luke 10:18 by Jesus, that was not its first meaning. It's primary meaning is given in Isaiah 14:4 which says that when Israel is restored they will "take up this taunt against the king of Babylon . . ." Verse 12 is a part of this taunt song. This passage refers first to the fall of that earthly king...
How does the confusion in translating this verse arise? The Hebrew of this passage reads: "heleyl, ben shachar" which can be literally translated "shining one, son of dawn." This phrase means, again literally, the planet Venus when it appears as a morning star. In the Septuagint, a 3rd century BC translation of the Hebrew scriptures into Greek, it is translated as "heosphoros" which also means Venus as a morning star.

How did the translation "lucifer" arise? This word comes from Jerome's Latin Vulgate. Was Jerome in error? Not at all. In Latin at the time, "lucifer" actually meant Venus as a morning star. Isaiah is using this metaphor for a bright light, though not the greatest light to illustrate the apparent power of the Babylonian king which then faded."

Therefore, Lucifer wasn't equated with Satan until after Jerome. Jerome wasn't in error. Later Christians (and Mormons) were in equating "Lucifer" with "Satan".
So why is this a problem to Christians? Christians now generally believe that Satan (or the Devil or Lucifer who they equate with Satan) is a being who has always existed. Therefore, they also think that the 'prophets' of the Old Testament believed in this creature. The Isaiah scripture is used as proof (and has been used as such for hundreds of years now). As Elaine Pagels explains though, the concept of Satan has evolved over the years and the early Bible writers didn't believe in or teach such a doctrine.

The irony for those who believe that "Lucifer" refers to Satan is that the same title ('morning star' or 'light-bearer') is used to refer to Jesus, in 2 Peter 1:19, where the Greek text has exactly the same term: 'phos-phoros' 'light-bearer.' This is also the term used for Jesus in Revelation 22:16.

So why is Lucifer a far bigger problem to Mormons? Mormons claim that an ancient record (the Book of Mormon) was written beginning in about 600 BC, and the author in 600 BC supposedly copied Isaiah in Isaiah's original words. When Joseph Smith pretended to translate the supposed 'ancient record', he included the Lucifer verse in the Book of Mormon. Obviously he wasn't copying what Isaiah actually wrote. He was copying the King James Version of the Bible. Another book of LDS scripture, the Doctrine & Covenants, furthers this problem in 76:26 when it affirms the false Christian doctrine that "Lucifer" means Satan. This incorrect doctrine also spread into a third set of Mormon scriptures, the Pearl of Great Price, which describes a war in heaven based, in part, on Joseph Smith's incorrect interpretation of the word "Lucifer" which only appears in Isaiah.

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so your saying every bible in the world and every translator/scribe ect took
Joseph Smith's EXACT copy of the hebrew translation's?
there is a hell... all to real and it isnt a nice place to go

To make the story short and simple :

Lucifer, Satan, The Great Dragon, Son of the Morning or whatever =
Do evil designs and all manner of dark and secret combinations and is continually in contending againts that which is good.

He is a spirit entity and will never have a priviledge to have a body like what we have that's why he wanted most of the people in the world to believed that there is no God, so he can easily manipulate us into thinking that we can do what we want to do and we will not be punished in the end. And he put it in our hearts that he never exists, so he can easily execute his plans to make us miserable, if you notice everywhere their is lack of love, self respect and morality, thats the result of following into his traps. He wants us to think that we are not responsible for all of our actions and we can blame anyone.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha............and thus the Devil laughs

Here is the world, empty and round,
it goes up and down, glitters and bounces,
it dances around the sun,
trembles and roars, gives and destroys;
now barren, now fertile,
this is the world.

On its huge old back there is a race
both profligate and mad, haughty, cowardly,
subtle and wicked,
whose members devour one another ceaselessly
from the topmost peak to the bottom-most depths
of the wicked world.

An empty fable is Satan to them,
Hell is a matter for mockery and derision,
Paradise for derision and mockery.
Oh by God!

Let me have a good laugh now
thinking of what I'm hiding from them!
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
There goes the world!

lucifer, the devil, an angel of light not the red devil with a pitch fork and pointed tail, held a high position in heaven and wanted to exalt his throne above God's.

he persuaded 1/3 of the angels in heaven to join him and then there was war in heaven. Revelation 12:7

lucifer and the other fallen angels were cast out.

"be sober, be vigilant, your adversay the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour." 1 peter 5:8

the controversy between Christ and Satan is all about seeking converts.

This is so gnostic it wreaks. Lucifer/satan ARE one and the same. And most definantly not the creator of humanity. God Himself said He did that, along which creating everything elese the good and the bad.

The hybrids talked of by Enoch, however, DID mess with human genes, and created huge, monsters who devoured the Earth, of which I have alaredy gone through the bone evidence of this, and even the timeline in correclation with recently discovered scienftic data, which, couldn't have been known then unless they were there, and it did in fact occur.

It's not aliens. Aliens are the 'evil spirits upon the Earth' which God sentenced the souls of the Nephilim giants (the human/angel hybrids described above) to be. Aliens, quite literally ARE demons, as demons are not the term reffered to the fallen, ONLY to their OFFSPRING, if your read the full account of Solomon, etc.

On top of that, lucifer being called the morning star, is probably quite literal, as angels are said throughout the entire Bible to be stars, and that is not symbolic. Heaven is in space - something which has got lost in translation with Christianity, unfortunately.

On top of that, satan's role is that of accuser. Read Revelation, he was the accuser of the angels, acussing them day and night before the Lord, then cast down to Earth, where he is now HUMANITY'S accuser. That is part of his punishment. Tempter could also be included in this. He's also called 'prince of this world' being that the many woes found therein are most probably caused by him.

satan can eroform miracles too, but the one thing he cant do is give the breath of life

just all night time stories...lucifer very well could be what gave us life...

No, actually satan can create life (just like the 200 fallen angels did) in the form of hybrids. But in no way it that the way God created life. God created life out of nothing. Satan (like scientists) can only create it out of what already exists.

The Greek Lucifer- Prometheus moulded the first man

Some think that the Greek Lucifer-Prometheus was mainly the benefactor of men, by giving them the secret of the Creative Fire (Kundalini).

But Lucifer-Prometheus was also the one who moulded the race of mankind out of water and earth, and he later helped them by giving them the secret of the Creative Fire (Kundalini). Athena, the goddess of prudent intelligence, animated the moulded man by giving him a soul (psychic powers).

Hey, Ashley - why don't you read schadeaux's post?

Hi Everyone..

I'm a muslim and I would try to tell the lucifer things from my point of view as a muslim.

In Islam, Lucifer who we call 'Iblis' was not and never be an angel. He came from the Genie (Jinn) Race, a very smart, inteligent and religious genie I guess.

When the genies on earth were creating more and more destructions, God told Iblis to lead a band of angels to fight and eliminates the genies who made the destructions. Iblis was successful in his mission became proud of himself and rewarded to stay in heaven along with angels so he could always singing praise to God.

However, God created Adam (human race), and told all the angels including iblis to bow before Adam. All the angels were bow before Adam except Iblis. Iblis felt he was higher in rank than Adam, since he was created from Fire while Human were created from Clay. God angry and told Iblis to get out from Heaven.

That's the story of how Lucifer fall from Heaven from my point of view as a muslim. I might be wrong, just take it as comparation study.

cheers

Pindra

But Ashley, what of the statement that the lucifer falling from heaven story, isn't in the original hebrew books of moses?

Assume for a moment that the statement is correct: ie that the story was a later change, what is your opinion?

JMPD, I like your sig, "Only you can prevent forum fires". That's what I'm going to attempt to do. I would just like to remind everyone that talking in absolutes when it comes to unprovable events that happened eons ago most likely will result in one eating their own words to some extent. But this is only advice, not a command.

Peace be with you all

(when I say 'you' I mean everyone reading)

Interesting. I love to hear points of view from people other than Western Religions. I myself am a Deist, but these posts give rise to a questions that have bothered me for some time about the "revealed" religions of the world. Most, not all, but most of them, are fighting about that same story... Similar characters doing similar acts in similar surroundings. Right? I could be wrong, but thet all sound the same to me. Just different names given to men and women who are teaching the same moral understandings.

Why can't we just see "God" or whatever a person may call him/her/it, for what it is. The Creator. You don't need a book to pray, right? You don't need the books for anything other than a story, right? Those books were written by man, right? They 'could' be false, right? "The Creator" isn't false, right? (unless you're Atheist) So why not stop fighting about the STUPID stories (sorry but they ARE just that, stories), and just come down to "The Creator"? "God", "Allah", "Muhammed" (pardon spelling) and all the others, are all characters in the same story. The Human Race and life on this planet in general. To fight about which BOOK is correct, is kind of silly, right? Like telling two children to stop fighting over the same toy...Could it be that we are just fighting about the SAME "God" from different angles???

If you take away the books, the preachers, the pastors, the munks, etc etc etc...what are you left with?... "God", or whichever name you call him/her/it by, and the people you live with and around, right? If we believe that we can understand the complexity that is "God" or "The Creator", we are kidding ourselves. We will never understand. It is not FOR us to understand. I'll tell ya, and this is just my humble opinion, that this WORLD would be a much better place WITHOUT organized religion...Sorry if this offends anyone, but someone with half a brain could look out in the world and see all the so-called "Correct" ways of viewing "God", and see how silly they are being when they talk "bad" or down to a culture which holds a different belief system.

This isn't about "God"...

It's about morals and your fellow human beings. If we could only see "The Creator" or "God" or whatever, is possibly there (or maybe not), and that we don't need to fight about these "stories" anymore, and focus our beliefs on something tangible, like moral values and honor amoungst the masses, that we could truely BEGIN to move forward as a RACE. Wouldn't that be just AWESOME??? Our entire Human Race moving forward TOGETHER? Sharing a common belief in moral standards and honor. What a sight to behold we would be... Sure there would be strife, life is filled to the brim with strife, but we would strive TOGETHER. No matter our beliefs, our skin color, or ethnic and national backgrounds. Can you just imagine?

I know it may sound a tad hokey. I know many of you may not agree. But mark my words...(please remember that when I say 'you' I mean everyone)

This race, the Human Race, will continue to go nowhere. Driving ourselves into the ground with the weapons of Religion, Hatred, and generally not caring for anyone else around us. We are holding ourselves back with 2000 (or older) year old books. Stopping us from experimenting with Stem Cell Research, or Cloning. These could be ways of fixing the problems that "God" has left for us to solve. Holding us back from getting along with other nations around the world. Holding us back from helping one another, outside of pretencious religious ambitions to "convert" others to your beliefs because you helped them...And ALWAYS keeping us on guard against one another because in 'our' religious eyes, 'they' are evil. This can only lead to one thing. The destruction of the entire Human Race, given enough time.

The world is a ticking time bomb, just waiting for someone to hit that little red button. Countries push their bounds by stepping in on affairs of other countries. Everyone looks at one another with cautious eyes. Are they evil? Are we? A last little bit for you. As long as this World is devided up into 200+ countries, we are doomed to failure. Everything that we have built, will one day fall, because we do not stand together, as a RACE. The Human Race...

Thanks if you have read this far. I'm going to cut this short. Please, I don't mean to offend anyone, but I'm sure most of you can understand where I'm coming from, and can see it for yourselves...

Thanks again,
LB

(when I say 'you' I mean everyone reading)

Interesting. I love to hear points of view from people other than Western Religions. I myself am a Deist, but these posts give rise to a questions that have bothered me for some time about the "revealed" religions of the world. Most, not all, but most of them, are fighting about that same story... Similar characters doing similar acts in similar surroundings. Right? I could be wrong, but thet all sound the same to me. Just different names given to men and women who are teaching the same moral understandings.

Why can't we just see "God" or whatever a person may call him/her/it, for what it is. The Creator. You don't need a book to pray, right? You don't need the books for anything other than a story, right? Those books were written by man, right? They 'could' be false, right? "The Creator" isn't false, right? (unless you're Atheist) So why not stop fighting about the STUPID stories (sorry but they ARE just that, stories), and just come down to "The Creator"? "God", "Allah", "Muhammed" (pardon spelling) and all the others, are all characters in the same story. The Human Race and life on this planet in general. To fight about which BOOK is correct, is kind of silly, right? Like telling two children to stop fighting over the same toy...Could it be that we are just fighting about the SAME "God" from different angles???

If you take away the books, the preachers, the pastors, the munks, etc etc etc...what are you left with?... "God", or whichever name you call him/her/it by, and the people you live with and around, right? If we believe that we can understand the complexity that is "God" or "The Creator", we are kidding ourselves. We will never understand. It is not FOR us to understand. I'll tell ya, and this is just my humble opinion, that this WORLD would be a much better place WITHOUT organized religion...Sorry if this offends anyone, but someone with half a brain could look out in the world and see all the so-called "Correct" ways of viewing "God", and see how silly they are being when they talk "bad" or down to a culture which holds a different belief system.

This isn't about "God"...

It's about morals and your fellow human beings. If we could only see "The Creator" or "God" or whatever, is possibly there (or maybe not), and that we don't need to fight about these "stories" anymore, and focus our beliefs on something tangible, like moral values and honor amoungst the masses, that we could truely BEGIN to move forward as a RACE. Wouldn't that be just AWESOME??? Our entire Human Race moving forward TOGETHER? Sharing a common belief in moral standards and honor. What a sight to behold we would be... Sure there would be strife, life is filled to the brim with strife, but we would strive TOGETHER. No matter our beliefs, our skin color, or ethnic and national backgrounds. Can you just imagine?

I know it may sound a tad hokey. I know many of you may not agree. But mark my words...(please remember that when I say 'you' I mean everyone)

This race, the Human Race, will continue to go nowhere. Driving ourselves into the ground with the weapons of Religion, Hatred, and generally not caring for anyone else around us. We are holding ourselves back with 2000 (or older) year old books. Stopping us from experimenting with Stem Cell Research, or Cloning. These could be ways of fixing the problems that "God" has left for us to solve. Holding us back from getting along with other nations around the world. Holding us back from helping one another, outside of pretencious religious ambitions to "convert" others to your beliefs because you helped them...And ALWAYS keeping us on guard against one another because in 'our' religious eyes, 'they' are evil. This can only lead to one thing. The destruction of the entire Human Race, given enough time.

The world is a ticking time bomb, just waiting for someone to hit that little red button. Countries push their bounds by stepping in on affairs of other countries. Everyone looks at one another with cautious eyes. Are they evil? Are we? A last little bit for you. As long as this World is devided up into 200+ countries, we are doomed to failure. Everything that we have built, will one day fall, because we do not stand together, as a RACE. The Human Race...

Thanks if you have read this far. I'm going to cut this short. Please, I don't mean to offend anyone, but I'm sure most of you can understand where I'm coming from, and can see it for yourselves...

Thanks again,
LB
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Hi Lord Bailey,

I really respect you point of view.. I think that's why John lennon's song 'Imagine' was really a hit, because deep down in people heart, people wanted the whole world to become one (united). But the problem arises when people cannot decided which one (eg. my point of view or yours, my nation or yours, my religion or yours..etc). well you know what I mean..

Cheers

Pindra

I have to say I agree to a point about what was stated, of "Satan." Being added in the texts. It is well knwon that humans are known to.. embelish and create myths from Truth.

As for the actual subject of Lucifer... All I know is that it some how ended up being my nick name...