Now i know FDR knew about pearl harbor and all that little stuff,but after reading into about how all the bankers control the world and have for 100 years and such,if there are any greater ww2 "conspiracy" kinda like...the war served a greater purpose then just to have a war and defeat the "bad guys" i mean...obiously hitler and ford were pretty good admirers of eachother and hitler was man of the year im 1939 "time" magazine...then suddenly he declared war on us(because of the japaneese pact..i know all the basic stuff..so no need to explain)
its just after reading alot of the stuff that is going on today its hard to keep my mind shut that we JUST waged war against the third reich because they declared war on us and our allies in such a big and large scale....some sort of hidden agenda? maybe not profit? after reading all this stuff do i contemplate(condemn me now) if the holocaust happend to THE EXTENT everyone says it does,i dont doubt jews were horrificly prosecuted and the people who argue that it never happend dont really have that good of facts that it didnt...but alot of things were proven wrong like the jew "tiny heads" or skin lampshades and soaps...we obiously wanted to make hitler look as horrible as we could...napoleon said "those who win the war,write the history" or somthing along those lines...and it is true..just with america we tend to distort a good amount of facts,and what is fiction...
id like opinions if possible and theories and such...i know my grammar is terrible but push with me on this please:) thank you
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QUOTE(xK1Sovi3tx @ Dec 21 2006, 01:58 PM) [snapback]1470246[/snapback]
id like opinions if possible and theories and such...i know my grammar is terrible but push with me on this please:) thank you
Well, I have an opinion.
My opinion is that you've posted this in the wrong section of the forum. This is the Ancient Mysteries and Alternative History section.
Harte
QUOTE(Harte @ Dec 21 2006, 08:51 PM) [snapback]1470281[/snapback]
Well, I have an opinion.
My opinion is that you've posted this in the wrong section of the forum. This is the Ancient Mysteries and Alternative History section.
Harte
My opinion is that you've posted this in the wrong section of the forum. This is the Ancient Mysteries and Alternative History section.
Harte
I think s/he has posted it in exactly the right place. S/he suggests that the victors of WWII have written the history of the war in the way that they wish it to be portrayed. How does that not come under Alternative History?
charles lindberg was a nazi sympathizer too,maybe more than ford was.so was jfk's daddy,joe kennedy sr.after he passed away in the 70s,it was revealed that lindberg had two other wives and 5 other kids in germany,and 2 of those kids were born in the early 40s.they have verified it by dna too.that means he snuck into germany a few times during ww2,so aho knows he may have been a certified nazi that spyed on the us!
QUOTE(openmind1963 @ Dec 21 2006, 06:26 PM) [snapback]1470513[/snapback]
charles lindberg was a nazi sympathizer too,maybe more than ford was.so was jfk's daddy,joe kennedy sr.after he passed away in the 70s,it was revealed that lindberg had two other wives and 5 other kids in germany,and 2 of those kids were born in the early 40s.they have verified it by dna too.that means he snuck into germany a few times during ww2,so aho knows he may have been a certified nazi that spyed on the us!
Ford turned his factories into war plants. And why would JFK's father be a Nazi sympathizer if JFK himself fought in the war and nearly died when his patrol boat PT 109 sank? More importantly, why am I questioning some one who never uses capitals?
I don't think the Allies altered history just to make themselves look good. What happened was what happened, you don't need to make everything into a conspiracy theory. Yes there were some nazi spies in North America, and they even caught a bunch and sent them to a POW camp. But Ford wasn't with Hitler. Ford turned his car factories into airplane and tank factories for the war effort. If he was so close to Hitler, why would he make weapons for the Allies?
QUOTE(xK1Sovi3tx @ Dec 21 2006, 07:58 PM) [snapback]1470246[/snapback]
....hitler was man of the year im 1939 "time" magazine
I think you misunderstand how TIME magazine picks its "Men of the Year." It doesn't do so because it considers them "good guys" or "heroes" but because they are HISTORICALLY IMPORTANT, the great movers and shakers of each particular year, regardless of whether that moving and shaking is for good or evil.
"but alot of things were proven wrong like the jew "tiny heads" or skin lampshades and soaps...we obiously wanted to make hitler look as horrible as we could"
Sorry, but I missed this. When I was a kid, it was popular to look at the old newsreel footage of the stuff that happened to the Jews. It could have been made-up, but I don't believe it was. I've never heard anything about those items having been debunked. There is ample evidence that most of the top Nazis were occultists rather than the atheist believers in natural selection that they portrayed themselves as. They really did kill millions of Jews and others they deemed undesirable, as did the Soviets under Stalin. I think the burden is on you to prove otherwise rather than vice-versa.
Sorry, but I missed this. When I was a kid, it was popular to look at the old newsreel footage of the stuff that happened to the Jews. It could have been made-up, but I don't believe it was. I've never heard anything about those items having been debunked. There is ample evidence that most of the top Nazis were occultists rather than the atheist believers in natural selection that they portrayed themselves as. They really did kill millions of Jews and others they deemed undesirable, as did the Soviets under Stalin. I think the burden is on you to prove otherwise rather than vice-versa.
QUOTE(xK1Sovi3tx @ Dec 21 2006, 02:58 PM) [snapback]1470246[/snapback]
Now i know FDR knew about pearl harbor and all that little stuff,but after reading into about how all the bankers control the world and have for 100 years and such,if there are any greater ww2 "conspiracy" kinda like...the war served a greater purpose then just to have a war and defeat the "bad guys" i mean...obiously hitler and ford were pretty good admirers of eachother and hitler was man of the year im 1939 "time" magazine...then suddenly he declared war on us(because of the japaneese pact..i know all the basic stuff..so no need to explain)
its just after reading alot of the stuff that is going on today its hard to keep my mind shut that we JUST waged war against the third reich because they declared war on us and our allies in such a big and large scale....some sort of hidden agenda? maybe not profit? after reading all this stuff do i contemplate(condemn me now) if the holocaust happend to THE EXTENT everyone says it does,i dont doubt jews were horrificly prosecuted and the people who argue that it never happend dont really have that good of facts that it didnt...but alot of things were proven wrong like the jew "tiny heads" or skin lampshades and soaps...we obiously wanted to make hitler look as horrible as we could...napoleon said "those who win the war,write the history" or somthing along those lines...and it is true..just with america we tend to distort a good amount of facts,and what is fiction...
id like opinions if possible and theories and such...i know my grammar is terrible but push with me on this please:) thank you
its just after reading alot of the stuff that is going on today its hard to keep my mind shut that we JUST waged war against the third reich because they declared war on us and our allies in such a big and large scale....some sort of hidden agenda? maybe not profit? after reading all this stuff do i contemplate(condemn me now) if the holocaust happend to THE EXTENT everyone says it does,i dont doubt jews were horrificly prosecuted and the people who argue that it never happend dont really have that good of facts that it didnt...but alot of things were proven wrong like the jew "tiny heads" or skin lampshades and soaps...we obiously wanted to make hitler look as horrible as we could...napoleon said "those who win the war,write the history" or somthing along those lines...and it is true..just with america we tend to distort a good amount of facts,and what is fiction...
id like opinions if possible and theories and such...i know my grammar is terrible but push with me on this please:) thank you
Are you seriously asking WHY WE WENT TO WAR WITH THE NAZIS? This is exactly what Santayana meant when he said his bit about history and people being doomed to repeat it.
In another, slightly different angle, I would ask: what, then, is worth going to war to fight against?
--Jaylemurph
PS: I would use a healthy dose of skepticism when anyone tells you bankers rule the world. Specifically if they use the term "international banker".
QUOTE(Harte @ Dec 21 2006, 02:51 PM) [snapback]1470281[/snapback]
Well, I have an opinion.
My opinion is that you've posted this in the wrong section of the forum. This is the Ancient Mysteries and Alternative History section.
Harte
My opinion is that you've posted this in the wrong section of the forum. This is the Ancient Mysteries and Alternative History section.
Harte
*BONK*
Hehe, it is "Alternative History".
QUOTE(kiddglock @ Feb 20 2007, 07:51 AM) [snapback]1551088[/snapback]
"but alot of things were proven wrong like the jew "tiny heads" or skin lampshades and soaps...we obiously wanted to make hitler look as horrible as we could"
Sorry, but I missed this. When I was a kid, it was popular to look at the old newsreel footage of the stuff that happened to the Jews. It could have been made-up, but I don't believe it was. I've never heard anything about those items having been debunked. There is ample evidence that most of the top Nazis were occultists rather than the atheist believers in natural selection that they portrayed themselves as. They really did kill millions of Jews and others they deemed undesirable, as did the Soviets under Stalin. I think the burden is on you to prove otherwise rather than vice-versa.
Sorry, but I missed this. When I was a kid, it was popular to look at the old newsreel footage of the stuff that happened to the Jews. It could have been made-up, but I don't believe it was. I've never heard anything about those items having been debunked. There is ample evidence that most of the top Nazis were occultists rather than the atheist believers in natural selection that they portrayed themselves as. They really did kill millions of Jews and others they deemed undesirable, as did the Soviets under Stalin. I think the burden is on you to prove otherwise rather than vice-versa.
I don't think he was denying that the Holocaust occured, just the semi-popular myth that they found shrunken heads, lampshades made out of human skin, and soap made out of humans in Hitler's bunker. Really just a urban legend as far as I know (and actually, a quick Google confirms that it was a myth), but given Mendel's "experiments", atrocity of that nature wouldn't surprise me.
QUOTE(angrycrustacean @ Feb 21 2007, 01:54 AM) [snapback]1551883[/snapback]
I don't think he was denying that the Holocaust occured, just the semi-popular myth that they found shrunken heads, lampshades made out of human skin, and soap made out of humans in Hitler's bunker. Really just a urban legend as far as I know (and actually, a quick Google confirms that it was a myth), but given Mendel's "experiments", atrocity of that nature wouldn't surprise me.
I think you're referring to Dr. Josef Mengele, "the Angel of Death" - Mendel was a Roman Catholic monk who experimented with pea plants.
Most historians (I am NOT talking about Holocaust Deniers!) now reject the "soap" story as wartime propaganda. Who, they ask, was supposed to actually USE the soap? Hard-core Nazi anti-Semites wouldn't have used it because it was made from Jews. And the common people wouldn't have used it because it was made from PEOPLE.
QUOTE(OldTimeRadio @ Feb 21 2007, 11:32 PM) [snapback]1553582[/snapback]
I think you're referring to Dr. Josef Mengele, "the Angel of Death" - Mendel was a Roman Catholic monk who experimented with pea plants.
Most historians (I am NOT talking about Holocaust Deniers!) now reject the "soap" story as wartime propaganda. Who, they ask, was supposed to actually USE the soap? Hard-core Nazi anti-Semites wouldn't have used it because it was made from Jews. And the common people wouldn't have used it because it was made from PEOPLE.
Most historians (I am NOT talking about Holocaust Deniers!) now reject the "soap" story as wartime propaganda. Who, they ask, was supposed to actually USE the soap? Hard-core Nazi anti-Semites wouldn't have used it because it was made from Jews. And the common people wouldn't have used it because it was made from PEOPLE.
Yes, you're right about the name. I'm fantastically bad with remembering names. 
As far as I know the skin lampshades are real -
looks like 2 "shrunken heads"on the table as well but they are hard to see.
Heres another photo of the tattoos & body parts -
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Bu...J-Rouard-24.jpg
source
more on the "b**** of Buchenwald"
Theres alot we could learn about the holocaust if IBM opened it foreign offices archives. They crunched the numbers for the Nazis and engineered much of the holocaust. The numbers prisoners were tattooed with, were the idea of IBM.
looks like 2 "shrunken heads"on the table as well but they are hard to see.
Heres another photo of the tattoos & body parts -
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Bu...J-Rouard-24.jpg
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From the crematorium the doctor led us into the living quarters, which were on one side of the entrance gate. This was where “Ilse Kock”, the “b**** of Buchenwald”, wife of the former camp commander, lived. There were many large lamps whose shades had unusual patterns. The doctor said the shades were human skin. Ilse would go among assembled prisoners and pick out any who had unusual tattoos on their chests or backs and have them killed and their skins tanned and made into lampshades and other ornaments. I got my nerve up and ran my fingers over some of them. I am sure they were human skin. More GI’s got sick so that when we exited the gatehouse there were only about a dozen of us left.
source
more on the "b**** of Buchenwald"
Theres alot we could learn about the holocaust if IBM opened it foreign offices archives. They crunched the numbers for the Nazis and engineered much of the holocaust. The numbers prisoners were tattooed with, were the idea of IBM.
El Midgetron:
Name one reputable source that states that the tattooed numbers on camp inmates were suggested by IBM.
What's your source for this statement?
Is the source objective?
Name one reputable source that states that the tattooed numbers on camp inmates were suggested by IBM.
What's your source for this statement?
Is the source objective?
Many of hitler's American sympathizers supported his ideas on eugenics
and genetics. This probably applied to Henry Ford. Of course hitler was
entirely on the wrong course in this since he was killing and sterilizing peo-
ple who had good genes and either couldn't reproduce or would likely have
normal children. He was also killing in the name of "racial purity" which is
simply a form of insanity.
It was likely the simple fact that many people wanted him to succeed that
he was allowed to go on so long. While Nazis were hardly looked on as a
viable party or a good world citizen, many thought they might accomplish
a great deal of good if allowed to their devices. It became a political pro-
blem only when hitler couldn't stay within his borders while building the "mas-
ter race".
and genetics. This probably applied to Henry Ford. Of course hitler was
entirely on the wrong course in this since he was killing and sterilizing peo-
ple who had good genes and either couldn't reproduce or would likely have
normal children. He was also killing in the name of "racial purity" which is
simply a form of insanity.
It was likely the simple fact that many people wanted him to succeed that
he was allowed to go on so long. While Nazis were hardly looked on as a
viable party or a good world citizen, many thought they might accomplish
a great deal of good if allowed to their devices. It became a political pro-
blem only when hitler couldn't stay within his borders while building the "mas-
ter race".
QUOTE(Gatofeo @ Feb 27 2007, 02:49 AM) [snapback]1559567[/snapback]
El Midgetron:
Name one reputable source that states that the tattooed numbers on camp inmates were suggested by IBM.
What's your source for this statement?
Is the source objective?
Name one reputable source that states that the tattooed numbers on camp inmates were suggested by IBM.
What's your source for this statement?
Is the source objective?
The source is IBMs own internal WW2 era documents. The information came to light in 2001 after Edwin Black's research is published by Random House, in the best selling book IBM and the Holocaust. At the IBM & the Holocaust web site you will find reviews of the book from several publications including, NewsWeek, the Washington Post, the L.A. Times and the Chicago Tribune.
As much as Black's research uncovered, there is still a vast amount of documentation still undisclosed in IMBs archives around the world.
QUOTE
The story of IBM and the Holocaust is just a beginning. I could have written 20 books with the documents I uncovered, one for every country in Europe. I estimate there are 100,000 more documents scattered in basements and corporate archives around the United States and Europe. Corporate archivists should take note: these documents are related to a crime and must not be moved, tampered with, or destroyed. They must be transferred to those appropriate archival institutions that can assure immediate and undelayed access to scholars and war crimes prosecutors so the accountability process can continue (see Note on Sources).
http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/excerpts.php
I am guessing you also don't know that Bush's Grandfather was a Nazi banker? It was Nazi money that started the Bus family fortune.
War is big buisness. There were alot of american companies who dealt with the Nazis prior to the US entering the war.
QUOTE(cladking @ Feb 26 2007, 09:29 PM) [snapback]1559613[/snapback]
Many of hitler's American sympathizers supported his ideas on eugenics
and genetics. This probably applied to Henry Ford. Of course hitler was
entirely on the wrong course in this since he was killing and sterilizing peo-
ple who had good genes and either couldn't reproduce or would likely have
normal children. He was also killing in the name of "racial purity" which is
simply a form of insanity.
It was likely the simple fact that many people wanted him to succeed that
he was allowed to go on so long. While Nazis were hardly looked on as a
viable party or a good world citizen, many thought they might accomplish
a great deal of good if allowed to their devices. It became a political pro-
blem only when hitler couldn't stay within his borders while building the "mas-
ter race".
and genetics. This probably applied to Henry Ford. Of course hitler was
entirely on the wrong course in this since he was killing and sterilizing peo-
ple who had good genes and either couldn't reproduce or would likely have
normal children. He was also killing in the name of "racial purity" which is
simply a form of insanity.
It was likely the simple fact that many people wanted him to succeed that
he was allowed to go on so long. While Nazis were hardly looked on as a
viable party or a good world citizen, many thought they might accomplish
a great deal of good if allowed to their devices. It became a political pro-
blem only when hitler couldn't stay within his borders while building the "mas-
ter race".
At the risk of totally falling on the wrong side of this debate/issue...
I don't think killing in the name of "racial purity" as you said is necessarily insanity, as you said.
The Nazi party was much more than the master race and killing of Jews. Politically and economically they made perfect sense for the people of Germany at that time. The insanity came much later and was made more apparent by the fall of Hitler. Don't get me wrong, far from a defender of Nazism, just see it from a different perspective.
QUOTE(cladking @ Feb 26 2007, 10:29 PM) [snapback]1559613[/snapback]
Many of hitler's American sympathizers supported his ideas on eugenics
and genetics. This probably applied to Henry Ford. Of course hitler was
entirely on the wrong course in this since he was killing and sterilizing peo-
ple who had good genes and either couldn't reproduce or would likely have
normal children. He was also killing in the name of "racial purity" which is
simply a form of insanity.
It was likely the simple fact that many people wanted him to succeed that
he was allowed to go on so long. While Nazis were hardly looked on as a
viable party or a good world citizen, many thought they might accomplish
a great deal of good if allowed to their devices. It became a political pro-
blem only when hitler couldn't stay within his borders while building the "mas-
ter race".
and genetics. This probably applied to Henry Ford. Of course hitler was
entirely on the wrong course in this since he was killing and sterilizing peo-
ple who had good genes and either couldn't reproduce or would likely have
normal children. He was also killing in the name of "racial purity" which is
simply a form of insanity.
It was likely the simple fact that many people wanted him to succeed that
he was allowed to go on so long. While Nazis were hardly looked on as a
viable party or a good world citizen, many thought they might accomplish
a great deal of good if allowed to their devices. It became a political pro-
blem only when hitler couldn't stay within his borders while building the "mas-
ter race".
If America [was Germany] didn't quit when it was ahead and had it's society defensive of it's own survival, Do you really believe =casualties of war= would have not included some containments of American Japanese concentration camps? Off hand, Do you know where America set up these camps? You know, America's "master society" just included Negros as equals in just the last 40 years......American Indian history? Don't mention it.....nobody else can....
What most people don't realize today is that Buchenwald Commandant Karl Koch wasn't executed by the Allies after the War, but rather by the Nazis themselves on April 5, 1945, while the War still raged.
This was about 10 - 12 days before the Americans arrived.
His wife Ilse was of course tried by the Allies after the War, convicted, and sentenced to life in prison. She hanged herself in prison in 1967.
P. S. Around 10 years ago I met the Cincinnati architect who had been Ilse Koch's jailer. He was then in his late 80s. He'd designed and built the stockade/prison where she and other Nazis were held and afterwards became its first warden.
This was about 10 - 12 days before the Americans arrived.
His wife Ilse was of course tried by the Allies after the War, convicted, and sentenced to life in prison. She hanged herself in prison in 1967.
P. S. Around 10 years ago I met the Cincinnati architect who had been Ilse Koch's jailer. He was then in his late 80s. He'd designed and built the stockade/prison where she and other Nazis were held and afterwards became its first warden.
The skin lamps are very real. An Uncle of mine spent a few years in Europe during the war and had in his possession a lamp with the shade being made of pulled human skin. He had taken the lamp from Nazi offices they had overrun, thinking it would be a nice gift for my Aunt. As he was getting ready to come home he wanted to take the lamp back to America. It was then that he was informed, much to his horror, that the lamp was indeed made of human skin. Not quite the gift you would want to give your wife after coming home from war. LOL.
Just thought I would relay a tidbit of family history.
Just thought I would relay a tidbit of family history.
QUOTE(BUMHAWK @ Feb 27 2007, 07:05 AM) [snapback]1560192[/snapback]
If America [was Germany] didn't quit when it was ahead and had it's society defensive of it's own survival, Do you really believe =casualties of war= would have not included some containments of American Japanese concentration camps? Off hand, Do you know where America set up these camps? You know, America's "master society" just included Negros as equals in just the last 40 years......American Indian history? Don't mention it.....nobody else can....
Well as I was reading this I thought to myself about how we condemned black people as secondary citizens, and even women for a time. What's to stop us from sympathising with the Nazis? I think a lot has happened in the background of our government, but I believe that sometimes conspiracy theorists give our government too much credit where it isn't due. They just aren't smart enough to pull together some of the theories going around.
People find this difficult to accept today, but as recently as 110 - 120 years ago it was common in American prisons for a strip of flesh to be cut from the body of an executed murderer, tanned, and then used to make a memorial "leather" cane handle or wallet for the warden.
QUOTE(OldTimeRadio @ Feb 27 2007, 08:39 PM) [snapback]1560655[/snapback]
People find this difficult to accept today, but as recently as 110 - 120 years ago it was common in American prisons for a strip of flesh to be cut from the body of an executed murderer, tanned, and then used to make a memorial "leather" cane handle or wallet for the warden.
ah, I believe I know what you are talking about. However, I thought that was an isolated incident. I cant remember any of the details though but I think they also made a pair of shoes.
QUOTE(rezna @ Feb 27 2007, 03:18 PM) [snapback]1560626[/snapback]
Well as I was reading this I thought to myself about how we condemned black people as secondary citizens, and even women for a time. What's to stop us from sympathising with the Nazis? I think a lot has happened in the background of our government, but I believe that sometimes conspiracy theorists give our government too much credit where it isn't due. They just aren't smart enough to pull together some of the theories going around.
I'm very grateful you didn't actually post this on the CT threads, they would have rioted (probably because it's true)!
--Jaylemurph
QUOTE(el midgetron @ Feb 26 2007, 10:16 PM) [snapback]1559694[/snapback]
The source is IBMs own internal WW2 era documents. The information came to light in 2001 after Edwin Black's research is published by Random House, in the best selling book IBM and the Holocaust. At the IBM & the Holocaust web site you will find reviews of the book from several publications including, NewsWeek, the Washington Post, the L.A. Times and the Chicago Tribune.
As much as Black's research uncovered, there is still a vast amount of documentation still undisclosed in IMBs archives around the world.
http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/excerpts.php
I am guessing you also don't know that Bush's Grandfather was a Nazi banker? It was Nazi money that started the Bus family fortune.
War is big business. There were alot of american companies who dealt with the Nazis prior to the US entering the war.
As much as Black's research uncovered, there is still a vast amount of documentation still undisclosed in IMBs archives around the world.
http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/excerpts.php
I am guessing you also don't know that Bush's Grandfather was a Nazi banker? It was Nazi money that started the Bus family fortune.
War is big business. There were alot of american companies who dealt with the Nazis prior to the US entering the war.
Interesting factoids. I recall doing some looking around a few years back and finding there were quite a few people that were circuitously connected to the Nazi party early in the Third Reich's history, as well as some big business.
QUOTE(MR_MOE @ Dec 21 2006, 10:04 PM) [snapback]1470599[/snapback]
I don't think the Allies altered history just to make themselves look good. What happened was what happened, you don't need to make everything into a conspiracy theory.
You can bet your last dollar the way Iraq records the history of the gulf wars will be the polar opposite of the way the US (and, for the gulf war 2 - the "coalition") will record those same wars...
History is only as accurate as those recording it.
The world was lied to so the US could "look good" for invading a sovereign nation which had nothing to do with 9/11...
QUOTE(graylady2 @ Feb 28 2007, 10:16 AM) [snapback]1561817[/snapback]
You can bet your last dollar the way Iraq records the history of the gulf wars will be the polar opposite of the way the US (and, for the gulf war 2 - the "coalition") will record those same wars...
History is only as accurate as those recording it.
The world was lied to so the US could "look good" for invading a sovereign nation which had nothing to do with 9/11...
History is only as accurate as those recording it.
The world was lied to so the US could "look good" for invading a sovereign nation which had nothing to do with 9/11...
After 12 years of U.N. inspectors, Saddam took a losing gamble not complying, then he lead and set up a "pissed-off-after-9/11" U.S. coalition force waging war for his regime change. Saddam got hanged. The world [the U.S.] is better off without him, he would have funded terrorist like Syria and Iran does. "Death to America" was going to be Iraq's favorite motto............ Anyways, if Hitler was the victor, they were the "good ones" that won their Manifest Destiny. And how the "bad guys" ganged up on them and lost to the fatherland Germany.
Hi there.
I assume from your post that your from the Unites States. I'm from the UK and maybe what we were taught is slightly different from you.
My understanding is that FDR tried to give as much assistance to the UK between 1940 and 1942 as he could, taking into account American neutral status and resistance to greater involvement by large sections of the American people.
It therefore seems logical that when the Nazis declared war he had an excuss for greater action.
I also don't think that the Allies needed to exagerate the crimes of the Nazi regime. Remember almost all of Europe was overun. The UK got off quite lightly with only 250,000 dead, the Soviets lost over 20 million people and the poles almost 1 in 4 of the population.
I assume from your post that your from the Unites States. I'm from the UK and maybe what we were taught is slightly different from you.
My understanding is that FDR tried to give as much assistance to the UK between 1940 and 1942 as he could, taking into account American neutral status and resistance to greater involvement by large sections of the American people.
It therefore seems logical that when the Nazis declared war he had an excuss for greater action.
I also don't think that the Allies needed to exagerate the crimes of the Nazi regime. Remember almost all of Europe was overun. The UK got off quite lightly with only 250,000 dead, the Soviets lost over 20 million people and the poles almost 1 in 4 of the population.
QUOTE(BUMHAWK @ Feb 28 2007, 03:12 PM) [snapback]1562205[/snapback]
<snip> The world [the U.S.] is better off without him, he would have funded terrorist like Syria and Iran does. "Death to America" was going to be Iraq's favorite motto............
Believe it or not the US *isn't* the world -- although the pro baseball people still don't get that... The world cup is called that because it is the *world* cup.
Are you forgetting that the majority of terrorists on those planes were Saudis? The Bush regime has a good reason not to invade the real culprits of 9/11 - they've been doing business with the Saudis since the '70's, and the only planes allowed in the air just after 9/11 were full of Saudis...
I do thank you for proving the point. You're revising history while making excuses for the inexcusable...
<snip>
QUOTE(xK1Sovi3tx @ Dec 21 2006, 02:58 PM) [snapback]1470246[/snapback]
Now i know FDR knew about pearl harbor and all that little stuff,but after reading into about how all the bankers control the world and have for 100 years and such,if there are any greater ww2 "conspiracy" kinda like...the war served a greater purpose then just to have a war and defeat the "bad guys" i mean...obiously hitler and ford were pretty good admirers of eachother and hitler was man of the year im 1939 "time" magazine...then suddenly he declared war on us(because of the japaneese pact..i know all the basic stuff..so no need to explain)
its just after reading alot of the stuff that is going on today its hard to keep my mind shut that we JUST waged war against the third reich because they declared war on us and our allies in such a big and large scale....some sort of hidden agenda? maybe not profit? after reading all this stuff do i contemplate(condemn me now) if the holocaust happend to THE EXTENT everyone says it does,i dont doubt jews were horrificly prosecuted and the people who argue that it never happend dont really have that good of facts that it didnt...but alot of things were proven wrong like the jew "tiny heads" or skin lampshades and soaps...we obiously wanted to make hitler look as horrible as we could...napoleon said "those who win the war,write the history" or somthing along those lines...and it is true..just with america we tend to distort a good amount of facts,and what is fiction...
id like opinions if possible and theories and such...i know my grammar is terrible but push with me on this please:) thank you
its just after reading alot of the stuff that is going on today its hard to keep my mind shut that we JUST waged war against the third reich because they declared war on us and our allies in such a big and large scale....some sort of hidden agenda? maybe not profit? after reading all this stuff do i contemplate(condemn me now) if the holocaust happend to THE EXTENT everyone says it does,i dont doubt jews were horrificly prosecuted and the people who argue that it never happend dont really have that good of facts that it didnt...but alot of things were proven wrong like the jew "tiny heads" or skin lampshades and soaps...we obiously wanted to make hitler look as horrible as we could...napoleon said "those who win the war,write the history" or somthing along those lines...and it is true..just with america we tend to distort a good amount of facts,and what is fiction...
id like opinions if possible and theories and such...i know my grammar is terrible but push with me on this please:) thank you
The Nuremberg Trial, I have on dvd was Russian authored and showed their representative extensively is perhaps not on Google, does show
the skin paraphernalia like "Silence of the Lambs" and other things not meant for Google audience.
Most of the film documentary might be true, its what they don't say is hard to find out.
Enron was on the cover of Business Week, so was Tyco and many other money backed skimmers. Hitler on Time might had
said look they have color TV, modern aircraft, great Universities. Plank invented E = hv, Einstein used it in mean energy statistics
to rediscover old formulas, used the same light properties from Maxwell to venture into E = mc squared with such hype
Plank had to award E man with a University post. That must have hurt.
Why was Hitler on time. Was Germany a technology developing ground for investors. Was the Einstein hype true science.
Easy to cover but not the dead bodies. Just too darn many of them.
If you want to go with this way out cover for the trial itself, go ahead:
QUOTE
II: The O.S.I. Myth Factory
Many have never heard of the OSI, or are confused by the fact that there are at least three
OSIs. The first one was the Office of Special Investigations, supposedly set up to investigate Nazi
war crimes and criminals after WWII, and was appended to the Tribunal at Nuremberg and the
U.S. Department of Justice1. This O.S.I, was compromised by helping to protect or conceal many
war criminals through its complicity with Operation Paper Clip. The second OSI is the Office of
Special Investigations, USAF, which was set up to pretend to investigate "UFO" sightings,
having as its real purpose the plugging of leaks about flying saucers connected to the Air Force.
The third and most important OSI is the Office of Scientific Intelligence, a branch of the CIA's
Science Directorate2, Clandestine Services, set up to gather 'strategic' scientific information, to
disseminate classified 'strategic' mis-and-dis-information, and to run programs designed for such
purposes, which includes fomenting domestic "UFOlogy" groups and related hoaxes. Its most
important function is plugging any and all leaks regarding flying saucers, by whatever means
necessary, on behalf of its IllumiNazi bosses, and to prohibit the development of such resources by
private individuals. This particular OSI was and is the most secret of the three, and use of the
same "OSI" tag was probably intended to maintain this secrecy by confusion. It has worked pretty
well until now. Imagine a group set up to protect Nazi criminals, named the same as one set up to
prosecute them. The OSS and Reinhard Gehlen's Amt VI, SS RSHA had a baby, called the CM.
I have always believed that the purpose of all three OSIs involves the Nazis and flying
saucers. The first OSI not only investigated war crimes, but also insured that independent post-war
investigators looking into the Nazis, did not probe into flying saucer technology, or the secret
technological and political deal entered into at the war's end, between the Third Reich, the U.S.
government and certain CFR/Trilateral/IllumiNazi-owned corporations, all neatly concealed under
Operation Paper Clip3.
The OSI maintains numerous teams of Ph.Ds. The procedures followed by these teams in the
production of appropriate propaganda, are identical to those used in movie production or political
Many have never heard of the OSI, or are confused by the fact that there are at least three
OSIs. The first one was the Office of Special Investigations, supposedly set up to investigate Nazi
war crimes and criminals after WWII, and was appended to the Tribunal at Nuremberg and the
U.S. Department of Justice1. This O.S.I, was compromised by helping to protect or conceal many
war criminals through its complicity with Operation Paper Clip. The second OSI is the Office of
Special Investigations, USAF, which was set up to pretend to investigate "UFO" sightings,
having as its real purpose the plugging of leaks about flying saucers connected to the Air Force.
The third and most important OSI is the Office of Scientific Intelligence, a branch of the CIA's
Science Directorate2, Clandestine Services, set up to gather 'strategic' scientific information, to
disseminate classified 'strategic' mis-and-dis-information, and to run programs designed for such
purposes, which includes fomenting domestic "UFOlogy" groups and related hoaxes. Its most
important function is plugging any and all leaks regarding flying saucers, by whatever means
necessary, on behalf of its IllumiNazi bosses, and to prohibit the development of such resources by
private individuals. This particular OSI was and is the most secret of the three, and use of the
same "OSI" tag was probably intended to maintain this secrecy by confusion. It has worked pretty
well until now. Imagine a group set up to protect Nazi criminals, named the same as one set up to
prosecute them. The OSS and Reinhard Gehlen's Amt VI, SS RSHA had a baby, called the CM.
I have always believed that the purpose of all three OSIs involves the Nazis and flying
saucers. The first OSI not only investigated war crimes, but also insured that independent post-war
investigators looking into the Nazis, did not probe into flying saucer technology, or the secret
technological and political deal entered into at the war's end, between the Third Reich, the U.S.
government and certain CFR/Trilateral/IllumiNazi-owned corporations, all neatly concealed under
Operation Paper Clip3.
The OSI maintains numerous teams of Ph.Ds. The procedures followed by these teams in the
production of appropriate propaganda, are identical to those used in movie production or political
From researcher Lyne.
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The source is IBMs own internal WW2 era documents. The information came to light in 2001 after Edwin Black's research is published by Random House, in the best selling book IBM and the Holocaust. At the IBM & the Holocaust web site you will find reviews of the book from several publications including, NewsWeek, the Washington Post, the L.A. Times and the Chicago Tribune.
As much as Black's research uncovered, there is still a vast amount of documentation still undisclosed in IMBs archives around the world.
http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/excerpts.php
I am guessing you also don't know that Bush's Grandfather was a Nazi banker? It was Nazi money that started the Bus family fortune.
War is big buisness. There were alot of american companies who dealt with the Nazis prior to the US entering the war.
As much as Black's research uncovered, there is still a vast amount of documentation still undisclosed in IMBs archives around the world.
http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/excerpts.php
I am guessing you also don't know that Bush's Grandfather was a Nazi banker? It was Nazi money that started the Bus family fortune.
War is big buisness. There were alot of american companies who dealt with the Nazis prior to the US entering the war.
I have "Trading With The Enemy", on how oil was sent to Germany. I see how the Holocaust issue brings up needed information although
being bashed on many sides.
Thanks for those links, hope Boarders still has those books. Are the people 'they' didn't want to talk now talking.
Now I see why the anti Holocaust started.
Do you think Ford, Rockefeller, etc. knew and was it to protect the investments.
Science secrets unheard of before now might be at stake here, both sided must know about it by now.
QUOTE(Teslasparkgap @ Mar 5 2007, 04:07 PM) [snapback]1569084[/snapback]
I have "Trading With The Enemy", on how oil was sent to Germany. I see how the Holocaust issue brings up needed information although
being bashed on many sides.
Thanks for those links, hope Boarders still has those books. Are the people 'they' didn't want to talk now talking.
Now I see why the anti Holocaust started.
Do you think Ford, Rockefeller, etc. knew and was it to protect the investments.
Science secrets unheard of before now might be at stake here, both sided must know about it by now.
being bashed on many sides.
Thanks for those links, hope Boarders still has those books. Are the people 'they' didn't want to talk now talking.
Now I see why the anti Holocaust started.
Do you think Ford, Rockefeller, etc. knew and was it to protect the investments.
Science secrets unheard of before now might be at stake here, both sided must know about it by now.
Iran and the rest of the world can't survive without the U.S. Dollar. Until the E.U. rises or America weakens[dollar empire], American enemies will continue to trade with the U.S. whether they want to or not. "The Wolf" is the same term the Soviets called the Nazis. Now, Putin of Russia is calling America that rather frequently. How could you really accept a place in an World Order after you lost a cold war economically?
Has the Holocaust been exaggerated? How can you possibly exaggerate the tragedy of something so horrific?
To be fair to the Nazis, most just wanted the Jews out of Germany, so at first they just tried to make things very difficult for them, in order to convince them to leave. Many did leave, and settled in neighboring countries; unfortunately, as the nazi war machine kept marching across Europe, many Jews found it difficult to get away from the Nazis. Before settling on "The Final Solution', the Nazis had tried to deport all their Jews. If this plan had worked, the Holocaust might have been avoided; unfortunatley, Britain blocked this attempt by the Germans, and ships carrying loads of Jewish refugees were forced to return to Germany, and certain death.
The Germans did not begin executing their plan known as "The Final Solution", until America had already entered the war. Up until that time, the Germans were not really treating their Jews any differently than most other countries were treating minorities in their respective jurisdictions. Compare the Holocaust to the plight of the North American Indian: In the Nineteenth Century, the U.S. government offered a bounty for every bison killed. If one wanted to get rich, all one had to do wass walk into a herd of bison with a machine gun, and mow them all down. The obvious result of this insane program was that an entire people starved to death, which, of course, was the objective of the program anyway. So the Nazis took all their Jews and gased them; the U.S. govt. shot all the bison, and starved the Indian to death. Was the American plan really any more humane the Nazi's? At least the Nazis didn't wipe out a species with their plan.
To be fair to the Nazis, most just wanted the Jews out of Germany, so at first they just tried to make things very difficult for them, in order to convince them to leave. Many did leave, and settled in neighboring countries; unfortunately, as the nazi war machine kept marching across Europe, many Jews found it difficult to get away from the Nazis. Before settling on "The Final Solution', the Nazis had tried to deport all their Jews. If this plan had worked, the Holocaust might have been avoided; unfortunatley, Britain blocked this attempt by the Germans, and ships carrying loads of Jewish refugees were forced to return to Germany, and certain death.
The Germans did not begin executing their plan known as "The Final Solution", until America had already entered the war. Up until that time, the Germans were not really treating their Jews any differently than most other countries were treating minorities in their respective jurisdictions. Compare the Holocaust to the plight of the North American Indian: In the Nineteenth Century, the U.S. government offered a bounty for every bison killed. If one wanted to get rich, all one had to do wass walk into a herd of bison with a machine gun, and mow them all down. The obvious result of this insane program was that an entire people starved to death, which, of course, was the objective of the program anyway. So the Nazis took all their Jews and gased them; the U.S. govt. shot all the bison, and starved the Indian to death. Was the American plan really any more humane the Nazi's? At least the Nazis didn't wipe out a species with their plan.
At times I think this Holocaust Denial is made so any researcher into WWII looks bad.
There is a lot of extra writing to be had in that time period that has not been shown.
At least the Holocaust was know and had no reason to be denied in the 40s and 50s.
Why the dis information now.
Author Lyne in his "Pentagon Aliens" puts in so much extra history you wonder if
anyone got the whole story in between what we do know.
There is a lot of extra writing to be had in that time period that has not been shown.
At least the Holocaust was know and had no reason to be denied in the 40s and 50s.
Why the dis information now.
Author Lyne in his "Pentagon Aliens" puts in so much extra history you wonder if
anyone got the whole story in between what we do know.
QUOTE(Teslasparkgap @ Mar 8 2007, 02:12 PM) [snapback]1573655[/snapback]
Author Lyne in his "Pentagon Aliens" puts in so much extra history you wonder if
anyone got the whole story in between what we do know.
anyone got the whole story in between what we do know.
Yes... We only get to know what *they* want the masses to know... We should take written history with a grain of salt... history, particulary war, will always be jaded by all sides involved. It's the nature of the beast to camouflage our bad behavior.
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