The selective service system is getting ready to test plans to reinstate the draft. It's possible that this is just a test but it's also possible that the government is getting ready to stage another terror attack as an excuse to reinstate the draft. Just wanted to make everyone aware of this just in case

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews...s/16293558.htme


The draft is nothing more than slaveery and is completely unconstitutional. We are not even supposed to have a standing army much less a draft Yet all the draft boards are in place and ready to go. If the draft is reinstate it will signal the final transformation of America from a free country into a police state where the government owns and dominates it's citizens. I for one hope the American people will have the guts to stand up and not let that happen


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I am sure there will be a draft. Even though there was one just a couple of decades ago most people don't think this will happen. However, there is no way around it if the war on terror is to continue. They are already forcing people to stay in the millitary longer than they signed up for.

I don't see a draft happening anytime soon. More national guard will be sent. If that still isn't enough the military will be re-allocated. Only if those fail will a draft be enacted.

Really? Then how do you explain the Air Force reducing their officer force through "force shaping" and reducing their enlisted force by allowing fewer to reenlist?

I have no idea, are you suggesting there is no problem with enlistment? If I had to guess, I might speculate its beacuse they won't need the manpower in the airforce as they move toward drone and unmaned technology. But that is a complete guess. How would you explain the use of stop loss? The enlistment of illegal immigrants? And the employment of very pricey "private contractors"?

air force is mainly used for the shock n awe stratagy while ground troops are for military occupance which is what is wanted rather than more shock n awe.

They are cutting back on people to try to save money because the budget is being cut all across the Department of Defense.

Yes and no. The Air Force is effective with a shock and awe but they are also excellent at close air support (CAS), medevacs, general airlifts, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR). There is not any shock and awe going on in Iraq or Afghanistan now but there is still a huge Air Force prescence over there.

yes and no. The air force of course can and do fulfill those positions but so can the army and marine corps-- inland medical facilities after securing certain areas turning those areas into zones. The army has a surveillance program as well, you can find out more about it at: http://stinet.dtic.mil/oai/oai?&verb=g...ifier=ADA307142

and:

http://www.surveillance-exposed.com/Army-U...ce-Aircraft.php


army aircraft:

U.S. Army OH-58D Kiowa Warrior helicop
UH-60L Black Hawk helicopters
MI-24 Hind attack helicopter
U.S. Army CH-47 Chinook helicopters

a listing on marine corps aircraft:

http://www.bluejacket.com/usmc_avi_image.htm

The army can do all of what you state the airforce can do and more with construction and water filtration units just to name a few.

The draft may indeed come back. So what. The world is at war, sir.

Although, I believe the US armed forces are sufficiently stocked for any short term crisis and Iran.

yes they can. Did I say they didn't? That is the whole point of having well balanced forces. All the forces work best when they work together as some excell in areas where the others don't. My point was that they don't only do "shock and awe" and I think I've made it.

I wonder if the draft were to be reinstated, if all of the gung ho war supporters (Who of course are not in the military) would be so supportive if there were risk of them actually being drafted? I'd bet support would dry up pretty quickly. It is easy to be gungho about a war when you are thousands of miles away and have nothing to do with it...

Personally I'd rather everyone come home and defend our nation from within, develop energy saving alternatives and be done with the entire middle east asap. A billion dollars a day would go along way to develop several strategies to save energy limiting our need of foreign oil(Particularly the M.E. oil).

From the draft experience of vietnam it appears that the quality of recruits is pretty poor during a draft; there is a big difference between those that volunteer for the service and those that are forced to do so. Of course if republicans had their way we'd stay in iraq for the next decade spending ourselves even more broke than we already are trying to win something that cannot be won.

maybe we could avoid the draft altogether if we were to have all of the war supporters head down to their local recruiters and sign up for a 4 year stint in the service of their choice to help the cause they support so much...

If a draft were to come into place... I'd preempt it with a poll determining who is for and who is against the war. Then when the draft is instated, I'd take the people for the war over the people who are against it.

or do the bait and switch maneuver and do it pre-emptively? perhaps find a bunch of 1970's ice cream trucks and say those are bio weapons labs but under disguise as tooty fruity and blue bubblegum. This would be of ultra-epic purportions of course.

Huh? What the hell does that have to do with what I suggested?

I hope they do try brining the draft back, get ready for a real revolution that will make the 60's look like a tea-party. If Bush wants an increase of troops in the middle-east another "terror" attack would have to happen and I don't think anyone would be falling for it this time around. Either way, the Bush administration is screwed and just about the biggest embarrassment this country has ever seen. Will we ever recover?

Dont worry if they cant get the troop levels up they will just find some of these privately funded corporate armies they have been creating for over a decade and fight there immoral war with no questions asked.

http://www.blackwaterusa.com/

With North Korea and Iran Increasing in Threat, I can see a Draft soon to come.

This is a question, maybe some one here has the asnwer, How many nations must be at war in order for the war to be called a World War? I ask because I thought to myself, If we are at WAR in Iraq, Iran and North Korea would we then call our allies for help? And would that then be catagorized as a WW? 2nd question.......If we do not call on our allies and still combat Iraq , N. Korea, and Iran....Is that a enough to be called a WW? Just curious..nothing more.

I second Fluffy's point. In some ways I do wish the draft would be reinstated so that EVERYONE (themself, or a family member, or a friend) will have something/someone on the line. A lot of people like to speak war rhetoric like they are seasoned generals, and the idea of such people having to actually backup what they say really is appealing to me. However, when it comes down to it, I don't want the draft reinstated. I'm of age and so are both of my brothers. My dad's birthday was the second one that came up for Vietnam and being in war changed him. I didn't know him before, but I have family members who did. And him being in war changed the way my brothers and I were raised. It took me many years to realize that; it took many years of people pointing out specific things and me, and them, to connect all the dots.

War isn't fun; that's the reality of it. It affects a lot of people and never in a good way. (Serving your country undoubtedly does some positive things to your charater and will, but there are negatives too. Please don't overglorify or romanticize human beings being forced to function and survive by their most animalistic/primal fibers.)

With all that said, call it a hunch (as unfounded and as loosely based in truth as everything else on the internet) but I highly doubt the draft will be reinstated. There are simply too many people who oppose it, includng those who support the war/occupation. And I know that that previous statement may seem debunked in light of Vietnam, but, you know, "try everything once"...

*Edited for spelling.

I have little doubt that we are allready in what will become known as ww3. The agenda of the United States has nothing to do with fighting terrorism. Its nothing short of a land grab to reassert Americas economic stature. As for "allied" involvement, arent they already supporting us with troops? I think it will be our allies who are likely to further the conflict. When Iran is attacked, I think its likely that it will be Israel leading (or at least starting) the assult, with the support of America. And don't forget about Afganistan. We are still there and still fighting in Afganistan everyday.

Anyway, the development of technologies during WW2 by America and Germany in an attempt to gain the upper hand, reminds me of our current plans to weaponize space. It obviously has no purpose in fighting terrorism and neither did invading Iraq. So what are we doing?

tHANX..and I agree.

No one is being forced to stay in the service longer than they signed up for. Example, you sign up for 4 years of active service, you also sign up for 4 years of inactive service as well, and if you read the fine print of the contract when you first sign up, it clearly states that you can be required to serve both the active and inactive portion of your contract as active. The same goes for military retirees. Retirees can be recalled up to 30 years from their inital entry into the armed forces. If this were not the case everyone who has been extended on active duty would be filing a law suit and winning.

As for the draft, we as Americans have an obilgation to defend the freedoms we so enjoy. If you want to enjoy your freedoms of speech, religon, and so on then you should be required to help defend them. The problem with this country is that it is filled with people who wish to enjoy all the freedoms that have been provided to them by the blood of brave Americans who did hesitate to defend our beloved country.

Americans who don't wish to serve in the forces which guard our country and its way of life should in my opinion find another country in which to live. Maybe then they would cherish the freedoms they now take for granted. Semper Fi!

I can't say I'm surprised.

Defend "freedom"? It's not the job of the US to defend "freedoms" around the world. If the US would have kept out of the Middle East to begin with (But they just can't resist oil, now can they), there'd been no considerable problem with "terrorists". They were after all trained and supplied by the US during some of the nations hypocritical campaigns in the region. Supplied the Talibans with guns, ammo and training to deal with the ruskies in the 80's. The whole Iran/Iraq war thing that the US was involved in, supplying both with weapons (I bet all the chemical weapons they had were stockpile they got from the US). In those pathetic attempts at "defending the freedom" of the US, the only thing that has been won has been more terrorist to further dimish the freedoms of the US populace.

And the whole, "Americans who don't wish to protect us should get out of here" thing is so sad. The US likes to rave about "freedom"; yet you're suggesting that people of a different opninion ought to leave? Wherein lies the freedom of that? Ought you not to respect their right to dissent, their right not to die for the country if they so chose? People have absolutely no obligations to their countries, in my opinion, and any form of national pride/nationalism is inept. If they want to, there's no one stopping them as long as it's reasonable and legal. So while they have police on patrol near Washington landmarks looking for suspicious people (tourists = terrorists) with cameras, taking pictures (preparing terror attacks), they could at least let people chose whether or not to join the armed forces or not.

If anyone pays attention to who is bringing up the subject, you'll notice that Rangel brings this up every year - and has brought it up for the last FIFTEEN YEARS. There is something behind it, you see. If Congress DOES lose its collective mind and make the bill law, there are caveats involved...

Women being drafted.

Homosexuals being drafted.

Mr. Rangel has been a very strong proponent of getting rid of "Don't Ask - Don't Tell", and reinstituting the draft is a perfect way to ram it down the country's throat.

Sorry, but this is VERY old news. Leave it to the CT'ers to jump on this like it was just dreamed up yesterday by the good old New World Order... You're going to have to try another theory - this one is old and tired.

Ugh...typical response of the self-described "patriots".

This country was founded by those who wished to create a nation that was not subjected to the laws and taxes of a monarchy which did not have any real representatives here...such as a Territorial Governor.The Founders believed that the people should be free to make their own choices to dissent or support the actions of the country's government.They fought against the monarchy,not to defend the freedoms,but to *create* the freedoms which we enjoy.

If the government attempts to bring back the draft,it's very likely that we will see a large amount of conscientious objectors and/or a lot of young people attempting to cross the borders again.

And please remember that the government has a responsibility to the people of the country.The government really has no right to force *anyone* to go fight for petty wars.If it attempts to do so,the people should rise up and either change the way the government works...or overthrow it.If a government goes too far against the will of the people,then something must be done to remedy the situation.

I hope you know that this is Bush's way of crawling out of his own muck.


He claims that all we need to do is strike at them with full force, and we do. However, reinstating the draft is not going to help. I, personally, wouldn't mind fighting for the US, but I'm not fighting for the US when Bush is in power; I am fighting for oil. Great.



I don't actually think the draft will be reinstated, though, because it would do more harm then good. I would fight against it just because they feel the need to force me into the army. The US shouldn't feel the need to force its people into the army in the year 2006-2007, it's just pathetic.

Again, Bush's grandstand to the media to crawl out of the hole that he dug with his own shovel.




Don't get me wrong, I love the US, I just hate what we stand for today.

Wow..the name and all...great.

I'll fight for my freedoms when I feel that I am fighting for the freedoms of other US citizens too. 9/11 was the ONLY supposed attack on the US until we went into Afghanistan, then Iraq(which...was our fault. We couldn't keep our hands out of the gold pot -_-). Funny how the terrorists have yet to even contrive another attack onto us...you would think they would do it already. Been 5 years and nadda.

I mourn for the people lost in 9/11, and I mourn for idiots like you that can't see past the government hideous use of the Constitution and paranoia to get past us.


Hooora!


I will not be drafted into a war that has yet to even be close to an end. They want it more than we do. That was an advantage America had over Britain in the Revolutionary War....oh hey..we won that.

"It is our true policy to steer clear of entangling alliances with any portion of the foreign world." - George Washington



And when in the last 15 years have we been in a war that will last for decades?



Unless there is a major change in the way we are fighting the war on terror, a draft in gonna happen. I don't see it happening for at least a few years but its coming.