The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas
What is the Mark of the Beast? If it were to happen today could you identify it? If you could identify it what good would it do? Would the knowledge of the Mark make a believer out of an atheist? I think it all comes down to faith. Some people are supposed to see while others are not, no matter what proof is given. So what is the main purpose for studying prophecy and looking for the Mark of the Beast? I believe that purpose is to show who God really is and expose a false religion. Islam is that false religion. It has drawn one third of the world’s population to a false God and is ready to destroy the world in defense of it. There are other false religions in the world but none as violent as Islam. Islam is at war with all peoples; Jews, Christians, Hindus, Atheists, you name it, and even other Muslims.
This letter was born out of a question by an astute reader. It was very thought provoking and led me to another answer I was looking for. Its timing couldn’t have been better. As it is with most knowledge, a question has to be asked before an answer can be found. So here is the question.
Could you explain how the dipping of fingers into ink when voting is consistent with the mark of the beast? It seems to me that people are pressured into getting the mark of the beast in revelations because without it they can't get the necessities of life.
This question is in regards to my belief that the Mark of the Beast was given to the Palestinian people during their Presidential Election on January 9, 2005. This Mark was applied to their right thumb and prevented an individual from double voting. It was supposed to last for about 48 hours. On the surface it would seem that a mark on the right hand with indelible ink is nothing more than its purpose, to prevent double voting. On the other hand, what if you just voted for the beast and were unaware of it. The mark of the beast can be three things: his mark, his number or his Name. Christianity likes to blend two of these ideas together and say that the Mark is the number 666 inscribed. This is just one example there are many others.
Did this mark directly cause the people to be able to buy and sell? The words in Revelation 13:16 provide a good clue. He caused all, both small and great, rich and poor, or free and bond to receive this mark. Why would someone who is great, rich and free need to get any sort of mark in order to buy anything? A person in high esteem with lots of money (maybe a government official) needs no permission to buy anything, he does as he pleases. The opposite of that is what gets my attention more. If a man is small, poor and in jail why would he need to get a mark? If he is in jail he would have relatively no need for money as he would be getting his food and shelter from his jailors. The short answer is that the mark was given to all even those in jail who voted in the Palestinian Presidential Elections. This mark identifies the second beast and was only indirectly involved in their ability to buy and sell.
The situation that caused a lack of funds in the PA government was due to the Election of Hamas as ruling party a year later. Since no western government was providing aid to the Palestinians it became apparent that the PA government would slide into anarchy and collapse. Therefore, a temporary mechanism was created by the international community to allow money to be given to essential PA institutions while bypassing the Hamas Government. All money going to these essential humanitarian institutions will be distributed through the office of the President, Mahmoud Abbas. Now, through the name of one man, the people are able to buy and sell namely because many will be receiving salaries. Now you have two items which identify the beast, a mark which was given when he was elected and his name which will allow funds to be given. There is only one other thing that can identify him and that is his number. That number is 666.
Gematria is the most common way scholars use to find his identity. A system that applies a number value to letters to see if an individuals name will come to the sum of 666. One guess is as good as another in this system and many people’s names add up to 666. Any answer would just be a guess and provide relatively little proof to back it up, therefore I never devoted much time to this theory.
In my search I was more concerned with how and why and when Mahmoud Abbas was going to bring about his peoples ability to buy and sell. That answer came with the election of Hamas. Hamas was the reason why the PA had a lack of funds. The international community, through a temporary mechanism sponsored by the Quartet, was how they were going to get the funds. The last thing is the most surprising. The Quartet (US, UN, EU and Russia) agreed on this international mechanism to fund the PA on June 16, 2006 on a Friday. This happened on the sixth day of the week in the sixth month on the sixteenth day in the year 2006. It seems the event I was looking for happened on a 666 day, one of only three in the whole year. I think most people were more concerned with June 6, 2006.
Remember, the mark of the beast can be three things: his mark, his number or his Name. All three of these items point to the second beast. They describe him as an adjective does a noun. It is how they are interpreted that either blinds us or lets us see. Therefore, what I have done is link the number 666 to his name instead of the number to the mark. It was a coincidence that this find ever happened. I wasn’t looking in this direction when it found me. I was following the money.
I would be remiss if I didn’t mention one more thing.
I usually don’t make too many predictions and only write about events after the fact, but here goes. Since writing this letter and pondering the situation in Israel, I have thought of another possibility for the Mark. Any referendum held by the PA that advances policy allowing the international community to provide international aid to the PA would qualify. It would qualify as long as a Mark is applied to the hands or forehead and is given to all Palestinians just as mentioned in my remarks on Revelation 13:16.
In summary, Jesus is Lord and he is coming soon.
The Watchman of Ephraim Hosea 9:8
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Events of September 1, 2006.
The international mechanism that was set up on June 16, 2006 (666)
has begun to compensate Palestinian workers.Through this aid fund,
set up by the EU and the World Bank, 625,000 Palestinians will be paid
$347 dollars each. This fund bypasses the Hamas led government due to
their unwillingness to conform to the image of Mahmoud Abbas. All funds
established under this aid fund go through the office of Mahmoud Abbas.
Through the name of one man, under a plan established on June 16,
2006, and brought about by a mark on the right hand on election day,
Palestinians are now being empowered to buy and sell. WOEphraim
This article appeared in the Jerusalem Post. Nothing has been edited.
Oct. 11, 2006 15:36 | Updated Oct. 11, 2006 15:40
EU aid to PA expands to $816 million
By ASSOCIATED PRESS
The European Union said Wednesday it was giving $816 million in aid to benefit 160,000 Palestinian families this year, expanding the funding program that bypasses the Hamas-led government.
European experts agreed to boost the international aid program overseen by the World Bank to cover 60,000 more families in the Palestinian territories from the 100,000 families now receiving help under the program, EU spokeswoman Emma Udwin said.
The fund offers a $339 monthly allowance to poorer Palestinian families, pensioners and civic workers, whose paychecks disappeared when international donors halted direct aid payments after the militant Hamas group won Palestinian elections.
"We are talking about quite a large amount of money," Udwin said. "Despite direct aid to the Palestinian Authority having been suspended .... the EU's contribution remains high, higher than in an average year."
The experts also backed a decision by top international donors to extend the funding program until the end of the year, she said.
The European Commission has given $414 million this year to the program, above its average yearly aid of $314 million for the Palestinians. The rest of the program funds were coming from some of the 25 EU member countries, the United States and others.
The Commission said last month it had started to pay social allowances to 40,000 Palestinian families, coming on top of spending for 11,500 health workers who are no longer paid and pensioners.
Regular welfare payments and aid to the Palestinian Authority stopped in February, as international donors demanded the Hamas-led government renounce violence and recognize Israel.
The special funding program was set up in June to direct funds to three key areas - support for health services, utilities and social allowances - while bypassing the Hamas-led government's coffers.
The Quartet group of Mideast peacemakers - the United States, the EU, Russia and the United Nations - agreed last month to expand the scope of the program.
The program has delivered more than 2 million liters (500,000 gallons) of fuel to supply power for hospitals and water in the Gaza Strip.
WOEphraim
The international mechanism that was set up on June 16, 2006 (666)
has begun to compensate Palestinian workers.Through this aid fund,
set up by the EU and the World Bank, 625,000 Palestinians will be paid
$347 dollars each. This fund bypasses the Hamas led government due to
their unwillingness to conform to the image of Mahmoud Abbas. All funds
established under this aid fund go through the office of Mahmoud Abbas.
Through the name of one man, under a plan established on June 16,
2006, and brought about by a mark on the right hand on election day,
Palestinians are now being empowered to buy and sell. WOEphraim
This article appeared in the Jerusalem Post. Nothing has been edited.
Oct. 11, 2006 15:36 | Updated Oct. 11, 2006 15:40
EU aid to PA expands to $816 million
By ASSOCIATED PRESS
The European Union said Wednesday it was giving $816 million in aid to benefit 160,000 Palestinian families this year, expanding the funding program that bypasses the Hamas-led government.
European experts agreed to boost the international aid program overseen by the World Bank to cover 60,000 more families in the Palestinian territories from the 100,000 families now receiving help under the program, EU spokeswoman Emma Udwin said.
The fund offers a $339 monthly allowance to poorer Palestinian families, pensioners and civic workers, whose paychecks disappeared when international donors halted direct aid payments after the militant Hamas group won Palestinian elections.
"We are talking about quite a large amount of money," Udwin said. "Despite direct aid to the Palestinian Authority having been suspended .... the EU's contribution remains high, higher than in an average year."
The experts also backed a decision by top international donors to extend the funding program until the end of the year, she said.
The European Commission has given $414 million this year to the program, above its average yearly aid of $314 million for the Palestinians. The rest of the program funds were coming from some of the 25 EU member countries, the United States and others.
The Commission said last month it had started to pay social allowances to 40,000 Palestinian families, coming on top of spending for 11,500 health workers who are no longer paid and pensioners.
Regular welfare payments and aid to the Palestinian Authority stopped in February, as international donors demanded the Hamas-led government renounce violence and recognize Israel.
The special funding program was set up in June to direct funds to three key areas - support for health services, utilities and social allowances - while bypassing the Hamas-led government's coffers.
The Quartet group of Mideast peacemakers - the United States, the EU, Russia and the United Nations - agreed last month to expand the scope of the program.
The program has delivered more than 2 million liters (500,000 gallons) of fuel to supply power for hospitals and water in the Gaza Strip.
WOEphraim
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What is the Mark of the Beast?
Christian Mythology, nothing more
I think that "true" thinking, with respect to any faith, "the true muslims" the true christians, etc... is what leads to the worlds woes in matters of faith. Everyone that thinks their's is the truth, intends to prove it to everyone else that thinks theirs is.
Lovely challenge that poses, as far as carving out that one way of thinking , on this planet of many people. Not that it's going to actually accomplish that. All the bloodshed that ensues. But it sure will weed out the world populations of all of those many, vieing for the title of the only one.
Aint nothing in the world like having unrealistic expectations, selfish motives and the goal to make it all come true.
Or, die tryin.
Lovely challenge that poses, as far as carving out that one way of thinking , on this planet of many people. Not that it's going to actually accomplish that. All the bloodshed that ensues. But it sure will weed out the world populations of all of those many, vieing for the title of the only one.
Aint nothing in the world like having unrealistic expectations, selfish motives and the goal to make it all come true.
Or, die tryin.
QUOTE(ephraim @ Dec 22 2006, 04:23 PM) [snapback]1471439[/snapback]
The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas
Islam is that false religion.
Islam is that false religion.
thats a little mean dont ya think?
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Christianity likes to blend two of these ideas together and say that the Mark is the number 666 inscribed.
actually, the original number was 616 not 666 forgot where i first heard this, but im pretty sure its on these forums in quite a few topics QUOTE
I usually don’t make too many predictions and only write about events after the fact, but here goes. Since writing this letter and pondering the situation in Israel, I have thought of another possibility for the Mark. Any referendum held by the PA that advances policy allowing the international community to provide international aid to the PA would qualify. It would qualify as long as a Mark is applied to the hands or forehead and is given to all Palestinians just as mentioned in my remarks on Revelation 13:16.
really, Israel isnt fullfilling any prophecy, calm down, people have been saying the world is going to end since man learned to speak, if you dont believe me go to this www.abhota.info/end1.htm And really, in 2000 years im guessing some of these prophecies have been fullfilled many times, the prophecies are so vague.
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In summary, Jesus is Lord and he is coming soon.
yeah...well you call me an tell me how that works out.......
How does the date 6/6/2006 have anything to do with 666? Are we forgetting that the number 2 and 0 are also in that date?
Of course Islam is the false religion to you ;p because Islam worships one perfect mercifull God who has no partners. Because our God actually forgives, and calls u in account for your own actions not the so called original sin. I say, if Christianity is the true religion how come you have thousands of contradictions in your Bible? Heck you even have porn stories!
There is no mark of the beast. The number 666 found in Revelations means "Nero Cesar" when translated into Hebrew. Scholars refer to this as "Number Symbolism". It was common to ascribe a numerical value for each letter. 888, for example, means Jesus Christ. And just an interesting aside here ... Archaeologists digging through an ancient garbage pit years ago, stumbled on the earliest known fragment of Revelations ever found--dating to the 3rd century. The fragment contained verse 13:18. However, the number for the beast was not 666, but 616. Why? Because sometimes Nero's name was spelled with an "n" at the end.
Kindly,
Sean
Kindly,
Sean
QUOTE(muslim @ Dec 23 2006, 12:09 PM) [snapback]1472039[/snapback]
Of course Islam is the false religion to you ;p because Islam worships one perfect mercifull God who has no partners. Because our God actually forgives, and calls u in account for your own actions not the so called original sin. I say, if Christianity is the true religion how come you have thousands of contradictions in your Bible? Heck you even have porn stories!
The Lord spoke in parables; Matthew chapter 13. If you do not understand them they were not meant for you. WOEphraim
What does that have to do with anything? Jesus peace be upon him said in your own bible "he who confesseth that Jesus is the Christ is of God." Muslims and Mohammed peace be upon him confess that Jesus is the Christ and believe in his miraculous birth which many modern day Christians reject. No relegion other than Christianity makes it an article of faith to believe that Jesus was the Christ except for Islam. Jesus said that a comforter is coming after him, that was Mohammed. Read the description that Jesus gave, it fits Mohammed like a glove. Now you say it was the Holly Spiri, this is not possible because Jesis said in your own Bible that if I go not away he shal not come. Meaning After Jesus goes the comforter will come. And we see at the time of Jesus that the Holly Spirit was there with Jesus and his disciples.
"19 Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?”
20 He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.”
21 And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?”
He said, “I am not.”
“Are you the Prophet?”
And he answered, “No.”
22 Then they said to him, “Who are you, that we may give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?” "
"AND THEY ASKED HIM, AND SAID UNTO HIM, WHEY BAPTIZEST THOU THEN, IF THOU BE
a) NOT THAT CHRIST,
NOR ELIAS,
c) NEITHER THAT PROPHET?"
(John 1:25)
Who is that prophet? The cross reference combines that prophet with the prophet of Deutronemy 18:18 i think it was. Read his description. It fits Mohammed like a glove. One who is "like Moses". No prophet other than Mohammed was closest to Moses. he shall be from amongst them and from amongst the Jews' brethren. Who re the Jews brethren? The Arabs! Than how is he from amongst them? Because Mohammed lived with the Jews in Madinah.
"19 Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?”
20 He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.”
21 And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?”
He said, “I am not.”
“Are you the Prophet?”
And he answered, “No.”
22 Then they said to him, “Who are you, that we may give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?” "
"AND THEY ASKED HIM, AND SAID UNTO HIM, WHEY BAPTIZEST THOU THEN, IF THOU BE
a) NOT THAT CHRIST,
NOR ELIAS, c) NEITHER THAT PROPHET?"
(John 1:25)
Who is that prophet? The cross reference combines that prophet with the prophet of Deutronemy 18:18 i think it was. Read his description. It fits Mohammed like a glove. One who is "like Moses". No prophet other than Mohammed was closest to Moses. he shall be from amongst them and from amongst the Jews' brethren. Who re the Jews brethren? The Arabs! Than how is he from amongst them? Because Mohammed lived with the Jews in Madinah.
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I say, if Christianity is the true religion how come you have thousands of contradictions in your Bible? Heck you even have porn stories!
And if Islam is the one true religion, why is the Quran riddled with contradictions, violence, absurdities, sex etc.?
Quran
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm
FaithFreedom
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles.htm
Contradictions in the Qur'an
http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/index.html
Sean
QUOTE(muslim @ Dec 24 2006, 02:06 PM) [snapback]1472923[/snapback]
Now you say it was the Holly Spiri, this is not possible because Jesis said in your own Bible that if I go not away he shal not come. Meaning After Jesus goes the comforter will come. And we see at the time of Jesus that the Holly Spirit was there with Jesus and his disciples.
"19 Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?”
20 He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.”
21 And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?”
He said, “I am not.”
“Are you the Prophet?”
And he answered, “No.”
22 Then they said to him, “Who are you, that we may give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?” "
"AND THEY ASKED HIM, AND SAID UNTO HIM, WHEY BAPTIZEST THOU THEN, IF THOU BE
a) NOT THAT CHRIST,
NOR ELIAS,
c) NEITHER THAT PROPHET?"
(John 1:25)
Who is that prophet? The cross reference combines that prophet with the prophet of Deutronemy 18:18 i think it was. Read his description. It fits Mohammed like a glove. One who is "like Moses". No prophet other than Mohammed was closest to Moses. he shall be from amongst them and from amongst the Jews' brethren. Who re the Jews brethren? The Arabs! Than how is he from amongst them? Because Mohammed lived with the Jews in Madinah.
"19 Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?”
20 He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.”
21 And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?”
He said, “I am not.”
“Are you the Prophet?”
And he answered, “No.”
22 Then they said to him, “Who are you, that we may give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?” "
"AND THEY ASKED HIM, AND SAID UNTO HIM, WHEY BAPTIZEST THOU THEN, IF THOU BE
a) NOT THAT CHRIST,
NOR ELIAS, c) NEITHER THAT PROPHET?"
(John 1:25)
Who is that prophet? The cross reference combines that prophet with the prophet of Deutronemy 18:18 i think it was. Read his description. It fits Mohammed like a glove. One who is "like Moses". No prophet other than Mohammed was closest to Moses. he shall be from amongst them and from amongst the Jews' brethren. Who re the Jews brethren? The Arabs! Than how is he from amongst them? Because Mohammed lived with the Jews in Madinah.
You are really confused. Mark 3:28-29 states it pretty clear. All manner of sin will be forgiven the sons of men but to him that blasphemes the Holy Spirit it shall not be forgiven. It is also stated in Matthew 12:31. As for the prophet you speak of, and want to make sound like Mohammad, he was not even alive during the time of Jesus. The man being spoken of was John the Baptist. He lived in the same days as Jesus and proclaimed his coming. Jesus was God. WOEphraim
Well, muslim, are you going to answer my question?
QUOTE(Cadetak47 @ Dec 23 2006, 01:28 AM) [snapback]1471675[/snapback]
How does the date 6/6/2006 have anything to do with 666? Are we forgetting that the number 2 and 0 are also in that date?
The date was June 16, 2006. I was trying to answer three questions when the answer fell on this date.
1. Why do the Palestinians need money?
2. How are they going to get it?
3. Who is going to give it to them?
Most people were trying to equate a mark with permission to buy and sell.
Although, if you have no money you can have all the permission you want,
you still can't buy anything. Money enables them to buy and sell. Rev. 13
WOEphraim
QUOTE(muslim @ Dec 23 2006, 12:09 PM) [snapback]1472039[/snapback]
Of course Islam is the false religion to you ;p because Islam worships one perfect mercifull God who has no partners. Because our God actually forgives, and calls u in account for your own actions not the so called original sin. I say, if Christianity is the true religion how come you have thousands of contradictions in your Bible? Heck you even have porn stories!
My God is one also with no partners. What gives you the idea he has partners?
Here is a question for you. Did Mohammad ever commit a sin? WOEphraim
QUOTE(muslim @ Dec 23 2006, 06:09 AM) [snapback]1472039[/snapback]
Of course Islam is the false religion to you ;p because Islam worships one perfect mercifull God who has no partners. Because our God actually forgives, and calls u in account for your own actions not the so called original sin. I say, if Christianity is the true religion how come you have thousands of contradictions in your Bible? Heck you even have porn stories!
And Islam is so great? Strike down all infidels. Your prophet violating a 13 year old. No religion is good.
QUOTE(ephraim @ Jan 7 2007, 04:42 PM) [snapback]1491400[/snapback]
My God is one also with no partners. What gives you the idea he has partners?
Here is a question for you. Did Mohammad ever commit a sin? WOEphraim
Here is a question for you. Did Mohammad ever commit a sin? WOEphraim
Like every human tend to sin, so did Mohammed. And I, and you, and Jesus.
The difference is that Mo, JC and I know it. Do you? Obviously you do not, otherwise
you would not ask a question that you could answer for yourself.
QUOTE(odas @ Jan 8 2007, 01:14 AM) [snapback]1491615[/snapback]
Like every human tend to sin, so did Mohammed. And I, and you, and Jesus.
The difference is that Mo, JC and I know it. Do you? Obviously you do not, otherwise
you would not ask a question that you could answer for yourself.
The difference is that Mo, JC and I know it. Do you? Obviously you do not, otherwise
you would not ask a question that you could answer for yourself.
Obviously you are not Christian. Jesus Christ went to the cross as a perfect sacrifice.
He was sinless and without spot before the throne of God.
Jesus was God. This was not even my question. I asked about Mohammad. Ephraim
QUOTE(ephraim @ Jan 7 2007, 11:45 PM) [snapback]1491865[/snapback]
Obviously you are not Christian. Jesus Christ went to the cross as a perfect sacrifice.
He was sinless and without spot before the throne of God.
Jesus was God. This was not even my question. I asked about Mohammad. Ephraim
He was sinless and without spot before the throne of God.
Jesus was God. This was not even my question. I asked about Mohammad. Ephraim
Obviously I am not.
I do not want to tell you not to believe in Jesus as God, however I do not believe in Jesus as a God or even as the Son of God.
I do not need to put a human being on Gods pedstal out of conviniance so I can believe in him easier.
Mohammed was not a God nor God's Son. He was an ordinary Man with extraordinary capabilities. Did he Sin? Very likely.
Did Jesus sin? Well, he did not throw the stone either. He wanted to say us so much more with that but we are unable, for whatever reason, to understand it. And since we do not understand something, well, then it must be divine. Like the Sun, Moon, Kings, Queens, Snakes, Aliens, - all of them believed to be divine at some point.
So, no. You are right to believe in Jesus as a God, but so am I to believe in the opposite.
Uuupss. My 666 post. What a coincidance. Could I be the.......? Na, humbuk. 
QUOTE(Charlie Mike @ Dec 22 2006, 01:54 PM) [snapback]1471467[/snapback]
Christian Mythology, nothing more
Yes, if we bury our heads in the sand and do not look at what's really going on everything will be ok!
I drive truck across the US., as such I talk to other drivers about all kinds of things. We see and obtain information that others do not hear about. We transfer secret stuff among lots of other things. Sometimes that secret stuff is found out by the driver. About 4 yr.s ago I was talking to a driver on the CB (citizens band radio). We got onto the subject of the mark. He told me something that scared the crap out of him. He picked up a load at Genentech. They had him watch a video while he waited for his truck to be loaded. In this video they out lined the uses of what he was carrying. It is called an ORTHO MORPHIC TRANSPONDER. The transponder is 1 micron in size has a coating of genetically neutralized skin cells once injected it becomes part of the person, adhering to nerve endings, it can contain all the information on an individual, including bank account, ssn, can be accessed from satellite, give vital signs and location.
He was to deliver this to a military installation in San Diego,CA, when he was close to being there he was suddenly diverted to another installation. The national guard armory. This raises my suspicion why would our national guard need 60 million transponders? Plus how many other truck deliveries were there besides this one? This sounds a whole lot more like the mark to me.
Ortho meaning living, morphic meaning able to change.
He was to deliver this to a military installation in San Diego,CA, when he was close to being there he was suddenly diverted to another installation. The national guard armory. This raises my suspicion why would our national guard need 60 million transponders? Plus how many other truck deliveries were there besides this one? This sounds a whole lot more like the mark to me.
Ortho meaning living, morphic meaning able to change.
QUOTE(cerberusxp @ Jan 9 2007, 11:56 AM) [snapback]1493677[/snapback]
Yes, if we bury our heads in the sand and do not look at what's really going on everything will be ok!
This post made me teehee even more after the one after it.
www.verichipcorp.com <---is this it??
QUOTE(KILLUMANATI @ Jan 9 2007, 07:01 PM) [snapback]1494856[/snapback]
www.verichipcorp.com <---is this it??
Same animal yes but, what I was talking about was made by genetech in Vacaville,CA. It's pretty much the same thing. But think for a minute. A few years ago 17 sates tried to put a law thru that if there were a bio attack on the US and you refused the inoculation. They would arrest you, take all your money, assets, and you would sit in prison. A german company has contracted to make syringes for this. The chip would be installed with the inoculation. I am sure this will be the way they enslave us.QUOTE(cerberusxp @ Jan 10 2007, 09:30 AM) [snapback]1495163[/snapback]
Same animal yes but, what I was talking about was made by genetech in Vacaville,CA. It's pretty much the same thing. But think for a minute. A few years ago 17 sates tried to put a law thru that if there were a bio attack on the US and you refused the inoculation. They would arrest you, take all your money, assets, and you would sit in prison. A german company has contracted to make syringes for this. The chip would be installed with the inoculation. I am sure this will be the way they enslave us.
I went to the websie and look what i found on the Vaciville Plant, LOL....
Vacaville, California
Genentech's Vacaville, California, site is located on 100 acres in Solano County, approximately 50 miles northeast of San Francisco. Acquired in 1994, it was first licensed to produce a biologic in 2000. The site houses manufacturing operations as well as quality and administrative services. Currently, the Vacaville facility is undergoing a major expansion. When it is completed, the Vacaville operation will be the largest biotechnology manufacturing plant of its kind in the world.
I just thought that was kind of funny after you said they are manufacturing that chip...LOL looks like they are ready to get it out to the GLOBAL POPULATION ( Only being Half Seriouse )
I do beleive that In my life time a RFID Chip will become mandotory, not sure if this it..who knows..
Heres The Link......... link
QUOTE(KILLUMANATI @ Jan 10 2007, 03:01 AM) [snapback]1494856[/snapback]
www.verichipcorp.com <---is this it??
I may have considered this theory ten years ago, but not anymore.
The entire Bible must be considered when interpreting Revelation 13.
It makes for a good movie though. Ephraim
I drive by the vacaville plant once in awhile. There is a paint ball arena at the next ext N. of there. lol Serious though when I was young and read the bible I wondered how could this be? Well when I first heard about bio chips it hit me like a ton of bricks. I have been trying to get the word out for a number of years now, but like I said earlier, l" lets all just stick our heads in the sand and everything will be ok " when you try to tell people that just play it off as what the media purports this to be. They think you're nuts or something. The thing is this is only just a fraction of what's going on. It all points to NWO and slaves out of every one of us except those at the very top.
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I drive by the vacaville plant once in awhile. There is a paint ball arena at the next ext N. of there. lol Serious though when I was young and read the bible I wondered how could this be? Well when I first heard about bio chips it hit me like a ton of bricks. I have been trying to get the word out for a number of years now, but like I said earlier, l" lets all just stick our heads in the sand and everything will be ok " when you try to tell people that just play it off as what the media purports this to be. They think you're nuts or something. The thing is this is only just a fraction of what's going on. It all points to NWO and slaves out of every one of us except those at the very top.
Here is an answer I gave to someone who thought Saddam Hussein was the beast.
It provides roughly the same answer I would give you concerning your statement.
This answer will probably not be too popular.
What has to be considered when deciding who the second beast of Revelation is?
Answer: All prophetic verses in the Bible.
Granted Saddam may have fulfilled one or two of them, but he must fulfill all of them.
Saddam was a member of the beast nations, which are seven, but was not it's
motive force. The greatest indicator of the beasts identity is whether he fulfills all of Rev.13.
The beasts mark must in some way allow or enable his people to buy and sell. Along with his mark is
his name and his number. All three of these identify him.
Mahmoud Abbas could never have led his people without the vote that elected him. In the process of election they all received an indelible ink mark to their right hand.
There also had to be a reason why the people needed money or were prevented from buying and selling.
The election of Hamas to the Palestinian Government provided that. Once western aid was cut off, the PA
government began to collapse. To prevent total collapse the international community created a way to fund essential Palestinian institutions while bypassing Hamas. All funding was to go through the office of Mahmoud Abbas. This international mechanism was created on June 16, 2006.
There is no doubt Mahmoud Abbas is the second beast of Revelation 13. Saddam does not fit the profile of the second beast but was one of the first beasts heads (nations), as written in Rev.13:1.
What is the most important conclusion gained from this research? It is stated in the first lines of "The
Mark of Mahmoud Abbas." Jesus Christ is Lord. He is the word and the word was written by him. Also,
Islam is a false religion. It is inspired by Satan and he is their God. WOEphraim
If Abbas is a beast then I am Elmer Fudd.
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If Abbas is a beast then I am Elmer Fudd.
I hope God wasn't listening. I suppose you could have picked a worse fellow...Ephraim
I,m not saying who the beast is, yet. The mark will be placed in the wrist or forehead not on. This will certainly be used as the mark is all I am saying. OK for the case of argument, lets say I was in control of the chip that is in you, would that not put me in complete control of your life? Chips in humans are already being used in Europe!
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I,m not saying who the beast is, yet. The mark will be placed in the wrist or forehead not on. This will certainly be used as the mark is all I am saying. OK for the case of argument, lets say I was in control of the chip that is in you, would that not put me in complete control of your life? Chips in humans are already being used in Europe!
You would have to get that chip into me first. Most of my friends own guns.
Now multiply that by 6 billion. With all due respect your theory makes no sense
and is theoretically impossible to accomplish.
How about this. Start counting from one to six billion and let me know how long it takes you. Ephraim
You and I are on the same side here dude. We need to get unifide though. Because it will come about. Those that refuse will be arrested. How this will come about is the U.S. wil be devistated by natural disasters to the point the U.N. will be sent in to "help" but will be under orders from the beast who ever that person will end up being. People like us will be hunted down with a bounty on our heads. Also did you know the assignment numbers for world wide web is 666?
I too feel it will be done with a chip, Of course im not certaian and admitt it could be any thing. I also feel it will be done in this life time and the 2nd beast is alive and well, who and where ......I dont know but i think in a few more years things will be falling in to place. and damn straight a NWO is approching!
Explanation of the two horned beast of Rev. 13:11
Prophecy is linear and moves forward like a clock. Arafat was the first beast of Revelation 13. He died on Nov.11, 2004. The PA government had to have a new leader and Mahmoud Abbas was elected on Jan. 9, 2005. His membership in Fatah also made him a part of the first beast during Arafat's time. A one year pause happened then Hamas was elected and began to share power with Mahmoud Abbas. This was the second beast rising. A beast with two horns that spake as a dragon was the union of Hamas and Fatah that represented the PA government. Why do you think another beast arose? The first one DIED. Arafat represented all the Muslim nations of the first beast and his authority passed to Mahmoud Abbas.
I could not have told you before he died why or under what circumstances another beast would arise.
Occasionally, I run into an event that can be translated two ways. When I said Abu Ala was one of the horns of the second beast, this was wrong. I attributed the creation of the Prime Ministers office as the second horn of Rev. 13. In reality there was a one year pause. Hamas was that second horn.
This is a government with two equal but opposing sides. Horns are kings.Rev.17:12...WOEphraim
Prophecy is linear and moves forward like a clock. Arafat was the first beast of Revelation 13. He died on Nov.11, 2004. The PA government had to have a new leader and Mahmoud Abbas was elected on Jan. 9, 2005. His membership in Fatah also made him a part of the first beast during Arafat's time. A one year pause happened then Hamas was elected and began to share power with Mahmoud Abbas. This was the second beast rising. A beast with two horns that spake as a dragon was the union of Hamas and Fatah that represented the PA government. Why do you think another beast arose? The first one DIED. Arafat represented all the Muslim nations of the first beast and his authority passed to Mahmoud Abbas.
I could not have told you before he died why or under what circumstances another beast would arise.
Occasionally, I run into an event that can be translated two ways. When I said Abu Ala was one of the horns of the second beast, this was wrong. I attributed the creation of the Prime Ministers office as the second horn of Rev. 13. In reality there was a one year pause. Hamas was that second horn.
This is a government with two equal but opposing sides. Horns are kings.Rev.17:12...WOEphraim
Ok here we go I imagine this will make me popular lol
The Mark of the Beast = The Cross
take it on the right hand means to accept false christianity in your actions such as keeping christmas just because the whole world is doing it . You don't give a heck about religion you just feel its no big deal and if some dictatore wants you to follow christian pratcises what the heck better then being put to death .
take it on your forehead means to Accept it in your beleafs to really beleave in false christianity .
The beast is not going to be a Muslim . The beast is going to be Christian . the beast helper known as the false prophet will be a religous leader . A pope i figgure . So the beast i beleave will be catholic . 10 catholic nations or peoples will give their power to this beast . After the beast takes control he forces christiany of his form on the masses . the catholic faith (maybe he will be ok with protestants too) . but people who will not accept his religion like sunday sabbath , christmas , easter will not get jobs . Real christians will refuse the beast form of christianity they will keep the real sabbath and holy days even if it means no jobs or even death .
the clay that holds the iron together in daniel 2 is false religion.
Islam will be the king of the South they will push at the king of the north (beast) . probly by attacking Isreal as who don't know muslims want the jews gone from Jerusalem . Some leader like Irans leader could be the King of the South . A leader of united europe will be the king of the north (most likely a german) . Islam may push the beast into action by surounding jerusalem with armies .
England (british commanwealth) and America (the real Isreal) will be easy to conquere in the future as God will be pouring out his wrath on them . 1/3 of them will die in plauges and famine before war ever starts . Before Christ returns to the Earth only 10% of english peoples will survive o see his return (jews fall with us) . We will see horrible times ahead .
Gods wrath has already started on us . He distroys us by Taking our men of Honour , Our wise and prudent judges , captains of 50 , the cunning artificer ,eloquent orator , the men of war . Before the end also women will rule over us . (hilery Probly be the last president ,just guessing if she made it id worry) . So God distroys us by putting Fools in our Goverments . we won't get abraham lincoln or winstin churhhill we will get fools .
Why is God going to take Us Down ? Because the Spirit of Whoreing is in our Midst . Our Countrys are Full of Harlot Churches . any thing goes type churches .
When our morals drop below those of the other nations we will be distroyed . But it will not be Islam , Ishmael is a wild man his hand against every man and every mans hand against him. Ishmael is just fortold to be the worlds trouble maker . Its the ASSERIAN (Germans) that is the Rod of Gods Anger , next time he rises he already will have 9 other nations or peoples helping him because of this clay bonding or false religion. A GERMAN POPE MAKES ME NERVOUS . But could we be that Close?? And no miricles out of Ratziner yet? maybe hes just prepareing the way for the next one which i think will be the final one who will help the Beast .
God don't like what he sees in Modern day America and british commanwealt. The book of Ezekiel is wrote to US and commanwealth countries in modern times . Read Ezekiel 22 if you don't think God is watching modern america .
Thats why we will see the haircut of Ezekiel 5 .
Its the churches thats making us sick hosea 4 is also wrote to us in our time . Never was the fish taken in history but they are now . almost gone im a fishing captain and i can tell you hosea 4 is wrote to our times . the Whores are Churches the same ones rev 17 warns about .
The Mark of the Beast = The Cross
take it on the right hand means to accept false christianity in your actions such as keeping christmas just because the whole world is doing it . You don't give a heck about religion you just feel its no big deal and if some dictatore wants you to follow christian pratcises what the heck better then being put to death .
take it on your forehead means to Accept it in your beleafs to really beleave in false christianity .
The beast is not going to be a Muslim . The beast is going to be Christian . the beast helper known as the false prophet will be a religous leader . A pope i figgure . So the beast i beleave will be catholic . 10 catholic nations or peoples will give their power to this beast . After the beast takes control he forces christiany of his form on the masses . the catholic faith (maybe he will be ok with protestants too) . but people who will not accept his religion like sunday sabbath , christmas , easter will not get jobs . Real christians will refuse the beast form of christianity they will keep the real sabbath and holy days even if it means no jobs or even death .
the clay that holds the iron together in daniel 2 is false religion.
Islam will be the king of the South they will push at the king of the north (beast) . probly by attacking Isreal as who don't know muslims want the jews gone from Jerusalem . Some leader like Irans leader could be the King of the South . A leader of united europe will be the king of the north (most likely a german) . Islam may push the beast into action by surounding jerusalem with armies .
England (british commanwealth) and America (the real Isreal) will be easy to conquere in the future as God will be pouring out his wrath on them . 1/3 of them will die in plauges and famine before war ever starts . Before Christ returns to the Earth only 10% of english peoples will survive o see his return (jews fall with us) . We will see horrible times ahead .
Gods wrath has already started on us . He distroys us by Taking our men of Honour , Our wise and prudent judges , captains of 50 , the cunning artificer ,eloquent orator , the men of war . Before the end also women will rule over us . (hilery Probly be the last president ,just guessing if she made it id worry) . So God distroys us by putting Fools in our Goverments . we won't get abraham lincoln or winstin churhhill we will get fools .
Why is God going to take Us Down ? Because the Spirit of Whoreing is in our Midst . Our Countrys are Full of Harlot Churches . any thing goes type churches .
When our morals drop below those of the other nations we will be distroyed . But it will not be Islam , Ishmael is a wild man his hand against every man and every mans hand against him. Ishmael is just fortold to be the worlds trouble maker . Its the ASSERIAN (Germans) that is the Rod of Gods Anger , next time he rises he already will have 9 other nations or peoples helping him because of this clay bonding or false religion. A GERMAN POPE MAKES ME NERVOUS . But could we be that Close?? And no miricles out of Ratziner yet? maybe hes just prepareing the way for the next one which i think will be the final one who will help the Beast .
God don't like what he sees in Modern day America and british commanwealt. The book of Ezekiel is wrote to US and commanwealth countries in modern times . Read Ezekiel 22 if you don't think God is watching modern america .
Thats why we will see the haircut of Ezekiel 5 .
Its the churches thats making us sick hosea 4 is also wrote to us in our time . Never was the fish taken in history but they are now . almost gone im a fishing captain and i can tell you hosea 4 is wrote to our times . the Whores are Churches the same ones rev 17 warns about .
Somewhat off topic, but within the course of a week earlier this month I made purchases for $6.66 and $16.66. I know it's stupid, but it kind of unsettles me whenever the three sixes come up, and to have this happen within such a short period of time is a little unnerving.
KGS
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i don't have the 666 part figured out yet , maybe when we finally see the beast we will be able to figgure it out .
Some same the numeric expression of the statement Vicar of Christ is 666
but i have no idea if thats true and it sounds to easy , so i don't think thats it .
i guess we will just have to wait to see where 666 comes in .
But don't worry about credit Cards , ect .
Just remember how you don't take the Mark of the beast the opposite of taking the mark of the beast is the patience of the Saints .
here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus . Thats not taking the Mark .
taking the mark would be the opposite Here are they that don''t keep the commandments of God or the Faith of Jesus . Modern christianity .
Jesus never looked like a Modern Baptist One bit or a catholic ........Go take a look at him in the bible see if you can find him decorating Christmas trees then going to enjoy a big pork roast .
Oh and i think you will Find Jesus a little out spoken at times too . use to make almost every religous leader he met boil inside .
Some same the numeric expression of the statement Vicar of Christ is 666
but i have no idea if thats true and it sounds to easy , so i don't think thats it .
i guess we will just have to wait to see where 666 comes in .
But don't worry about credit Cards , ect .
Just remember how you don't take the Mark of the beast the opposite of taking the mark of the beast is the patience of the Saints .
here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus . Thats not taking the Mark .
taking the mark would be the opposite Here are they that don''t keep the commandments of God or the Faith of Jesus . Modern christianity .
Jesus never looked like a Modern Baptist One bit or a catholic ........Go take a look at him in the bible see if you can find him decorating Christmas trees then going to enjoy a big pork roast .
Oh and i think you will Find Jesus a little out spoken at times too . use to make almost every religous leader he met boil inside .
Guys, you are worrying about things that have been completely misunderstood by today's Christians. The number 666 is "Number Symbolism". What does it mean ...?
... Numbers, like places, are also symbolic (See Number Symbolism). There are twelve months, signs of the zodiac, tribes of Israel, apostles of the lamb (Revelation 21.12–14). There are seven planets, days of the week, colors of the rainbow. These are numbers of wholeness. The slain Lamb has seven horns and seven eyes (Revelation 5.6); the slain beast, the Antichrist that parodies his death and resurrection, has seven heads (Revelation 13.1; Revelation 13.3; Revelation 13.14). His number is six, one short of seven. Satan was created the highest of the angels, but the good claiming to be the best is the very devil. His number is intensified as 666 (Revelation 13.18). Second, the ancients did not have Arabic numerals, but used the letters of the alphabet (A = 1, B = 2, etc.). So by adding up numerical values (gematria) a number could represent a name. Nero Caesar, written in Hebrew letters, adds up to 666; Jesus, in Greek letters, makes 888. He died on the sixth day of the week, and rose on the eighth, the first day of the new age.--Oxford Companion to the Bible, JOHN SWEET
It has absolutely nothing to do with some evil individual who is to come. The author of Revelations was writing about the chaotic events occurring during his time. There was worry that Nero--The Beast--would return with a powerful army and wage war against the Christians ...
... On the other hand, Nero’s mysterious death evoked immediate rumors that he was still alive, and would return with an army from the east; and the civil wars that followed his death (68–69 CE, the Year of Four Emperors), coinciding with the Jewish War (66–70 CE), seem to lie behind the breakup of the Roman world depicted in Revelation 6–18 ...
... John wrote to illuminate his own situation. Later, when his specific circumstances were forgotten, some took Revelation as a literal prediction of the future; others, in reaction against crude literalism, especially with regard to the millennium, interpreted it allegorically and saw the millennium as the present age of the church. In the twelfth century, Joachim of Fiore drew from Revelation (along with the rest of scripture) an understanding of the whole movement of history; his vision came to be widely influential. At various times, people have seen Revelation as a veiled picture of the subsequent history of the world or of the church, placing themselves at the penultimate moment and identifying beast and harlot with current bogeys, whether emperor or pope, church or sect. But it is now clear that John wrote for a past situation and that to look for literal fulfillments in the events of our day is misguided.
In spite of Alexandrian doubts, Revelation has had a firm place within the New Testament canon; it has had an immense influence on later Christianity. It can be seen as the most un-Christian book—the Judas Iscariot of the New Testament, according to D. H. Lawrence (Apocalypse [1931])—but, with its echoes of the beginning, the tree of life restored and no more curse (Revelation 22.2; Revelation 22.3), it is a fitting climax to the whole Bible story.--Oxford Companion to the Bible, JOHN SWEET
No worries, gents. If anybody's evil enough to destroy humanity ... it's us.
Sean
... Numbers, like places, are also symbolic (See Number Symbolism). There are twelve months, signs of the zodiac, tribes of Israel, apostles of the lamb (Revelation 21.12–14). There are seven planets, days of the week, colors of the rainbow. These are numbers of wholeness. The slain Lamb has seven horns and seven eyes (Revelation 5.6); the slain beast, the Antichrist that parodies his death and resurrection, has seven heads (Revelation 13.1; Revelation 13.3; Revelation 13.14). His number is six, one short of seven. Satan was created the highest of the angels, but the good claiming to be the best is the very devil. His number is intensified as 666 (Revelation 13.18). Second, the ancients did not have Arabic numerals, but used the letters of the alphabet (A = 1, B = 2, etc.). So by adding up numerical values (gematria) a number could represent a name. Nero Caesar, written in Hebrew letters, adds up to 666; Jesus, in Greek letters, makes 888. He died on the sixth day of the week, and rose on the eighth, the first day of the new age.--Oxford Companion to the Bible, JOHN SWEET
It has absolutely nothing to do with some evil individual who is to come. The author of Revelations was writing about the chaotic events occurring during his time. There was worry that Nero--The Beast--would return with a powerful army and wage war against the Christians ...
... On the other hand, Nero’s mysterious death evoked immediate rumors that he was still alive, and would return with an army from the east; and the civil wars that followed his death (68–69 CE, the Year of Four Emperors), coinciding with the Jewish War (66–70 CE), seem to lie behind the breakup of the Roman world depicted in Revelation 6–18 ...
... John wrote to illuminate his own situation. Later, when his specific circumstances were forgotten, some took Revelation as a literal prediction of the future; others, in reaction against crude literalism, especially with regard to the millennium, interpreted it allegorically and saw the millennium as the present age of the church. In the twelfth century, Joachim of Fiore drew from Revelation (along with the rest of scripture) an understanding of the whole movement of history; his vision came to be widely influential. At various times, people have seen Revelation as a veiled picture of the subsequent history of the world or of the church, placing themselves at the penultimate moment and identifying beast and harlot with current bogeys, whether emperor or pope, church or sect. But it is now clear that John wrote for a past situation and that to look for literal fulfillments in the events of our day is misguided.
In spite of Alexandrian doubts, Revelation has had a firm place within the New Testament canon; it has had an immense influence on later Christianity. It can be seen as the most un-Christian book—the Judas Iscariot of the New Testament, according to D. H. Lawrence (Apocalypse [1931])—but, with its echoes of the beginning, the tree of life restored and no more curse (Revelation 22.2; Revelation 22.3), it is a fitting climax to the whole Bible story.--Oxford Companion to the Bible, JOHN SWEET
No worries, gents. If anybody's evil enough to destroy humanity ... it's us.
Sean
Whenever someone reads "The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas" the same questions always arise. I thought I
would post my response to one of them.
What is the beasts mortal head wound that is healed?
Once it is understood that heads are nations this parable can be answered.
In Revelation 17:9 it says that seven heads are seven mountains. This is a partial answer to Rev.13:1.
It must be taken one step further in order to understand it. Mountains in scripture have been used to
describe nations in various verses. So if you follow it to its conclusion, seven heads are seven mountains
and seven mountains are seven nations.
"And I saw one of his heads, as it were wounded to death:and his deadly wound was healed:and all the
world wondered after the beast. Rev13:3
The land that is being given back to the Palestinians is the head or nation which was wounded. It was
completely occupied by Israel. Once the Oslo Accords were implemented it was given back to their control.
Therefore the wound is healed. In other words, the nation that was taken in war is now being returned to
the Palestinians and the beasts wound is being healed.
The thing that needs to be understood is that sometimes parables are interpreted right after they are stated,
while other times they are left for you to figure out.
WOEphraim
would post my response to one of them.
What is the beasts mortal head wound that is healed?
Once it is understood that heads are nations this parable can be answered.
In Revelation 17:9 it says that seven heads are seven mountains. This is a partial answer to Rev.13:1.
It must be taken one step further in order to understand it. Mountains in scripture have been used to
describe nations in various verses. So if you follow it to its conclusion, seven heads are seven mountains
and seven mountains are seven nations.
"And I saw one of his heads, as it were wounded to death:and his deadly wound was healed:and all the
world wondered after the beast. Rev13:3
The land that is being given back to the Palestinians is the head or nation which was wounded. It was
completely occupied by Israel. Once the Oslo Accords were implemented it was given back to their control.
Therefore the wound is healed. In other words, the nation that was taken in war is now being returned to
the Palestinians and the beasts wound is being healed.
The thing that needs to be understood is that sometimes parables are interpreted right after they are stated,
while other times they are left for you to figure out.
WOEphraim
mountain alot of time is symbolic of goverment .
but in rev 17 it is literal 7 mountains = rome
a woman = a church
a harlot is a false church
the real church is dressed in white as it reamained a virgin ,never let other faiths touch it /
Harlot churches borrow their faiths from other sources then the groom . Alot of their doctrines inspired by devils .
Its simple the Mother of Harlots = Mother Church in Rome
protesting daughters = protestants
they haven't kept the commandments of God or the faith of Jesus , they actually teach people not to repent of their sins .
sin equals transgression of Gods law .
they teach his laws are done away with now . so they actually incorage sin . or disobedience .
muslims use this to make their religion grow but they really are not much more obediant to God then these harlot churches are . They just advertise they are .
they advertise they submit to God ,but in reality only submit here and there when it suits them.
Satan only has to get you to remain in sin on one command and you might as well break them all .
Hes got modern christianity and islam all mostly breaking the forth command of God . And just this one command means they have not repented of sin .
might think they did , but no they never . They will actually argue to stay in sin . It really is a decieved world .
but in rev 17 it is literal 7 mountains = rome
a woman = a church
a harlot is a false church
the real church is dressed in white as it reamained a virgin ,never let other faiths touch it /
Harlot churches borrow their faiths from other sources then the groom . Alot of their doctrines inspired by devils .
Its simple the Mother of Harlots = Mother Church in Rome
protesting daughters = protestants
they haven't kept the commandments of God or the faith of Jesus , they actually teach people not to repent of their sins .
sin equals transgression of Gods law .
they teach his laws are done away with now . so they actually incorage sin . or disobedience .
muslims use this to make their religion grow but they really are not much more obediant to God then these harlot churches are . They just advertise they are .
they advertise they submit to God ,but in reality only submit here and there when it suits them.
Satan only has to get you to remain in sin on one command and you might as well break them all .
Hes got modern christianity and islam all mostly breaking the forth command of God . And just this one command means they have not repented of sin .
might think they did , but no they never . They will actually argue to stay in sin . It really is a decieved world .
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i don't have the 666 part figured out yet , maybe when we finally see the beast we will be able to figgure it out .
Some same the numeric expression of the statement Vicar of Christ is 666
but i have no idea if thats true and it sounds to easy , so i don't think thats it .
i guess we will just have to wait to see where 666 comes in .
Some same the numeric expression of the statement Vicar of Christ is 666
but i have no idea if thats true and it sounds to easy , so i don't think thats it .
i guess we will just have to wait to see where 666 comes in .
Why is it that you are so quick to disagree when you have not figured it out?
What makes you think you have not seen the beast?
WOEphraim
the Beast = the Last great empire man will build . But Beast also = the man that leads it or is dictator over it .
United europe will probly end up being the best some day , it will be 10 nations (families of the earth ,may be more then 10 countries) giving their power to one man . this one man will seem to most on the earth as the nicest man ever , person with all the answers . He will be religous and he will be helped by the false prophet, who probly will be a pope .
The beast is probly alive over there somewhere at this time but i don't think he or she is on your news yet .
United europe will probly end up being the best some day , it will be 10 nations (families of the earth ,may be more then 10 countries) giving their power to one man . this one man will seem to most on the earth as the nicest man ever , person with all the answers . He will be religous and he will be helped by the false prophet, who probly will be a pope .
The beast is probly alive over there somewhere at this time but i don't think he or she is on your news yet .
Islam is a religion of peace just like any other religion. Also, like certain other religions, many have died under the name of their god. The weight of the bad always outweigh the many good. To call Islam a false religion, is religious intollerance. There is no one true religion. All strive for a common purpose, and that is harmony.
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the Beast = the Last great empire man will build . But Beast also = the man that leads it or is dictator over it .
United europe will probly end up being the best some day , it will be 10 nations (families of the earth ,may be more then 10 countries) giving their power to one man . this one man will seem to most on the earth as the nicest man ever , person with all the answers . He will be religous and he will be helped by the false prophet, who probly will be a pope .
The beast is probly alive over there somewhere at this time but i don't think he or she is on your news yet .
United europe will probly end up being the best some day , it will be 10 nations (families of the earth ,may be more then 10 countries) giving their power to one man . this one man will seem to most on the earth as the nicest man ever , person with all the answers . He will be religous and he will be helped by the false prophet, who probly will be a pope .
The beast is probly alive over there somewhere at this time but i don't think he or she is on your news yet .
I agree with your first sentence and that is all...
The following article I wrote in the summer of 2005. It was a combination of previous articles.
All were written by the year 2003.
The beast of Revelation 13:1 is said to have seven heads and ten horns.
The ten horns are ten kings Rev. 17:12. The seven heads are seven mountains Rev. 17:9.
These kings shall have power with the beast and give their power and strength to him for
one hour. Who would argue that the beast nations of Rev: 13 do not exist today and that
for a person to know who they are one must be in heaven or raptured first. Of course we
know who some of them are it is common sense. Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Iran to name
just a few. The problem with the interpretation of Rev. 13 is what the seven heads are.
Many have said that they are hills that pertain to a specific city. Particularly Rome which
is supposed to sit on seven hills which would somehow make the Vatican the seat of the
anti-christ. Which countries in Europe do you suppose are going to attack Israel and join
with the beast of Rev. 13? I'm here to say that none of them will.
The only possibility is that the beast is from Europe and he leads a confederation of Muslim
nations against Israel. Before I get to what are the seven heads of Rev. 13 something else
must also be included here. The beast is supposed to have subdued or plucked up three of
the ten kings, Dan.7. Why does the beast subdue himself or eliminate three of those who
are thought to be on his side? The answer is that Rev. 13 is not only a picture of the Muslim
nations but also of Israel. The three kings subdued by beast number one are from Israel.
So if the beast of Rev.13 has ten kings but three are not with him that leaves seven kings
who must be. If a study of the word mountains is done in the Bible a pattern will emerge.
Mountains can also be a nation or nations. Therefore seven heads are seven mountains
and the seven mountains of Rev. 13 are nations, Muslim nations. These seven nations are
Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Jordan and Egypt. The ten kings are all the present rulers
of these countries plus the three that are subdued by Arafat. These are Peres, Netanyahu and Barak.
That makes ten. Arafat is the little horn, which is the eleventh, and represents the land of Palestine.
Collectively these nations compose the beast of Revelation 13 with Arafat as their leader.
The covenant of Daniel 9:27 was between Arafat and Rabin in Sept. 1993. It was the Oslo
Accords and lasted until Sept. 2000 with the start of the Palestinian uprising. The translation
of the word many in Daniel 9:27 is Rab.The three kings subdued by the beast all happened
during the seven years of the Oslo Accords. It was written in Israeli newspapers that Arafat
was proud to say he affected the elections in Israel three times. Every time a terrorist incident
occurred the Israeli public would vote in someone else.
Another parable that shows Arafat is the beast of Rev. 13 is verse 3.
One of his heads is wounded to death and the deadly wound is healed.
This word head refers to a nation.Seven heads are seven mountains and
seven mountains are seven nations. The deadly head [Nation] wound is the
land taken by Israel in the 1967 war and wanted by the Arabs for a Palestinian
homeland. As land is given back to the Arabs through negotiation it is being healed.
Arafat was able to operate for three in a half years and in the middle of the 7 years
negotiations failed culminating in the uprising in Sept. 2000.
WOEphraim
Edited for punctuation
saying the cross may be the mark of the beast might seem a little extreem to most . but if you study it it may not
It was not a Christian symbul till hundreds of years after Christ death
It was actually a symbul for the letter T standing for tamuz
the Word Cross in a english bible is a mistranslation . it should just be pole or tree
the greek word for cross was never used by any witness .
I beleave a Cross is mystic in orgins actually i think can be bought in the same stores as pentigrams .
I do beleave in the Sacrifice of Christ and have accepted it to cover my transgressions , but i don't accept the cross as i know it had other orgins ..............maybe some of the pagans can tell us where its really from ??
Eygpt?
It was not a Christian symbul till hundreds of years after Christ death
It was actually a symbul for the letter T standing for tamuz
the Word Cross in a english bible is a mistranslation . it should just be pole or tree
the greek word for cross was never used by any witness .
I beleave a Cross is mystic in orgins actually i think can be bought in the same stores as pentigrams .
I do beleave in the Sacrifice of Christ and have accepted it to cover my transgressions , but i don't accept the cross as i know it had other orgins ..............maybe some of the pagans can tell us where its really from ??
Eygpt?
QUOTE(ephraim @ Jan 19 2007, 12:08 AM) [snapback]1507122[/snapback]
I agree with your first sentence and that is all...
The following article I wrote in the summer of 2005. It was a combination of previous articles.
All were written by the year 2003.
The beast of Revelation 13:1 is said to have seven heads and ten horns.
The ten horns are ten kings Rev. 17:12. The seven heads are seven mountains Rev. 17:9.
These kings shall have power with the beast and give their power and strength to him for
one hour. Who would argue that the beast nations of Rev: 13 do not exist today and that
for a person to know who they are one must be in heaven or raptured first. Of course we
know who some of them are it is common sense. Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Iran to name
just a few. The problem with the interpretation of Rev. 13 is what the seven heads are.
Many have said that they are hills that pertain to a specific city. Particularly Rome which
is supposed to sit on seven hills which would somehow make the Vatican the seat of the
anti-christ. Which countries in Europe do you suppose are going to attack Israel and join
with the beast of Rev. 13? I'm here to say that none of them will.
The only possibility is that the beast is from Europe and he leads a confederation of Muslim
nations against Israel. Before I get to what are the seven heads of Rev. 13 something else
must also be included here. The beast is supposed to have subdued or plucked up three of
the ten kings, Dan.7. Why does the beast subdue himself or eliminate three of those who
are thought to be on his side? The answer is that Rev. 13 is not only a picture of the Muslim
nations but also of Israel. The three kings subdued by beast number one are from Israel.
So if the beast of Rev.13 has ten kings but three are not with him that leaves seven kings
who must be. If a study of the word mountains is done in the Bible a pattern will emerge.
Mountains can also be a nation or nations. Therefore seven heads are seven mountains
and the seven mountains of Rev. 13 are nations, Muslim nations. These seven nations are
Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Jordan and Egypt. The ten kings are all the present rulers
of these countries plus the three that are subdued by Arafat. These are Peres, Netanyahu and Barak.
That makes ten. Arafat is the little horn, which is the eleventh, and represents the land of Palestine.
Collectively these nations compose the beast of Revelation 13 with Arafat as their leader.
The covenant of Daniel 9:27 was between Arafat and Rabin in Sept. 1993. It was the Oslo
Accords and lasted until Sept. 2000 with the start of the Palestinian uprising. The translation
of the word many in Daniel 9:27 is Rab.The three kings subdued by the beast all happened
during the seven years of the Oslo Accords. It was written in Israeli newspapers that Arafat
was proud to say he affected the elections in Israel three times. Every time a terrorist incident
occurred the Israeli public would vote in someone else.
Another parable that shows Arafat is the beast of Rev. 13 is verse 3.
One of his heads is wounded to death and the deadly wound is healed.
This word head refers to a nation.Seven heads are seven mountains and
seven mountains are seven nations. The deadly head [Nation] wound is the
land taken by Israel in the 1967 war and wanted by the Arabs for a Palestinian
homeland. As land is given back to the Arabs through negotiation it is being healed.
Arafat was able to operate for three in a half years and in the middle of the 7 years
negotiations failed culminating in the uprising in Sept. 2000.
WOEphraim
Edited for punctuation
The following article I wrote in the summer of 2005. It was a combination of previous articles.
All were written by the year 2003.
The beast of Revelation 13:1 is said to have seven heads and ten horns.
The ten horns are ten kings Rev. 17:12. The seven heads are seven mountains Rev. 17:9.
These kings shall have power with the beast and give their power and strength to him for
one hour. Who would argue that the beast nations of Rev: 13 do not exist today and that
for a person to know who they are one must be in heaven or raptured first. Of course we
know who some of them are it is common sense. Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Iran to name
just a few. The problem with the interpretation of Rev. 13 is what the seven heads are.
Many have said that they are hills that pertain to a specific city. Particularly Rome which
is supposed to sit on seven hills which would somehow make the Vatican the seat of the
anti-christ. Which countries in Europe do you suppose are going to attack Israel and join
with the beast of Rev. 13? I'm here to say that none of them will.
The only possibility is that the beast is from Europe and he leads a confederation of Muslim
nations against Israel. Before I get to what are the seven heads of Rev. 13 something else
must also be included here. The beast is supposed to have subdued or plucked up three of
the ten kings, Dan.7. Why does the beast subdue himself or eliminate three of those who
are thought to be on his side? The answer is that Rev. 13 is not only a picture of the Muslim
nations but also of Israel. The three kings subdued by beast number one are from Israel.
So if the beast of Rev.13 has ten kings but three are not with him that leaves seven kings
who must be. If a study of the word mountains is done in the Bible a pattern will emerge.
Mountains can also be a nation or nations. Therefore seven heads are seven mountains
and the seven mountains of Rev. 13 are nations, Muslim nations. These seven nations are
Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Jordan and Egypt. The ten kings are all the present rulers
of these countries plus the three that are subdued by Arafat. These are Peres, Netanyahu and Barak.
That makes ten. Arafat is the little horn, which is the eleventh, and represents the land of Palestine.
Collectively these nations compose the beast of Revelation 13 with Arafat as their leader.
The covenant of Daniel 9:27 was between Arafat and Rabin in Sept. 1993. It was the Oslo
Accords and lasted until Sept. 2000 with the start of the Palestinian uprising. The translation
of the word many in Daniel 9:27 is Rab.The three kings subdued by the beast all happened
during the seven years of the Oslo Accords. It was written in Israeli newspapers that Arafat
was proud to say he affected the elections in Israel three times. Every time a terrorist incident
occurred the Israeli public would vote in someone else.
Another parable that shows Arafat is the beast of Rev. 13 is verse 3.
One of his heads is wounded to death and the deadly wound is healed.
This word head refers to a nation.Seven heads are seven mountains and
seven mountains are seven nations. The deadly head [Nation] wound is the
land taken by Israel in the 1967 war and wanted by the Arabs for a Palestinian
homeland. As land is given back to the Arabs through negotiation it is being healed.
Arafat was able to operate for three in a half years and in the middle of the 7 years
negotiations failed culminating in the uprising in Sept. 2000.
WOEphraim
Edited for punctuation
You dont think another nation could eventually be Russia? They are still and have been exchanging weapons with Iran even after agreeing with the U.N., Its said that the 2 nations will merge.
QUOTE(KILLUMANATI @ Jan 19 2007, 04:54 AM) [snapback]1507448[/snapback]
You dont think another nation could eventually be Russia? They are still and have been exchanging weapons with Iran even after agreeing with the U.N., Its said that the 2 nations will merge.
Eventually everyone will be involved.
Christians won't be here to witness it though.
They will be in heaven with the Lord.
It is only for those who have rejected Christ.
WOEphraim
Funny how modern christians all fly away from the troubles just as the world needs them the most .
But every other Christian was ready to suffer for Christ sake and did in almost all cases .
New breed of Christians now days .
I thought the Beast makes war with the Saints and Over Comes Them Rev 13:7? Whats he do go to heaven to get them? Overcomes them while they are in Heaven?
the 2 witnesses what was they bad guy Christians ? why did they get left behind?
But every other Christian was ready to suffer for Christ sake and did in almost all cases .
New breed of Christians now days .
I thought the Beast makes war with the Saints and Over Comes Them Rev 13:7? Whats he do go to heaven to get them? Overcomes them while they are in Heaven?
the 2 witnesses what was they bad guy Christians ? why did they get left behind?
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