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Kelvena
Not to long ago a post was made suggesting that atheism led to the atrocities of the Soviet Union and the Third Reich in Germany. Although it was pointed out that the atrocities were due to the personal insanities of the dictators of both nations (?) and not their beliefs or lack there of, it was left at that.

Hittler's beliefs

Something to mull over.
Zackeous
Either way... he was still a jerk....maybe charismatic... but a complete jerk.
GoddessWhispers
And yet, he exampled that fine line between genius and insanity. Deferring to the later in the end. And his campaign was in the spirit of affecting a zealous christian ideology for all of Germany!
Hitler wrote: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." As a boy, Hitler attended to the Catholic church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his culture. In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a fanatical believer in God and country.
GIDEON MAGE
IMHO, Hitler was a typical Christian. Impose your will on others, at all costs. I guess most Christians hate Jews for coming up with God first. Whenever I hear an antisemitic comment, such as "Jews are cheap", etc, I simply counter with, "So, you are saying Jesus was a miser? I see." Usually they either shut up or hit you.
Moondoggy
Ignorance is not bliss. Not one of you probably know that Hitler killed an equal amount of christians and other "faiths" besides the Jews. Look it up and get educated!
beowulf
While he did kill Christians (usually because of their politics, not their religon), a large number of the Christians killed was because their particular brand of Christianity or their personal beliefs did not support Hitler's poliitcal goals. The number of Christians killed by the Hitlerites (as the Soviets came to call them) was very small, especially when compared with the number of non-Christians and political murders perpetrated by the Nazis... Look that up and get even more educated - Da Wolf (as an aside - how many here actually remember the war, other than as a story told by your grandparents/great grandparents or studies in your history class?)
GoddessWhispers
QUOTE(Moondoggy @ Dec 27 2006, 05:41 AM) [snapback]1474132[/snapback]
Ignorance is not bliss. Not one of you probably know that Hitler killed an equal amount of christians and other "faiths" besides the Jews. Look it up and get educated!

Forgive me, but you seem hostile. Perhaps , instead of the sarcasm, you might provide the statistics of which you speak, rather than chastise others for not knowing them. original.gif

There were more than jews murdered by Hitlers Democide. True. The numbers of jews , given the world population of jews at the time of the holocaust, is inaccurate. True. More Serbs were slaughtered than were jews. True. Gypsies population number as high as 500,000+. True.
Hitler also victimized homosexuals. True. Because he was an ardent animal lover, he ordered animal research programs to cease, and replaced the test subjects with jews, christians, gypsies and, for the most barbaric experiments, gays. True.

Ignorance is not bliss. It never has been,nor shall it ever be. However, levying sarcasm toward those that may be ignorant, doesn't prove one to be educated in that which they critique of others. Rather, it proves they are simply more comfortable being sarcastic.
boorite
Yay, another "Christians are bad" thread. Isn't a thread supposed to be over the minute you compare the other side to Hitler? Isn't that a rule? So this thread was over the instant it was posted.

Stalin and Mao were atheists. So what? Atheism is still as fine an answer to a nonsense question as any other. Bertrand Russell was an atheist too, and so were all those pacifist Buddhist monks in Tibet and Southeast Asia, and they were all excellent people.

Hitler was a Christian. Big whoop. So are the Amish. Figure it out, folks. It ain't a difficult concept.
mako
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Figure it out, folks. It ain't a difficult concept

It has been my experience that most non-Christians are content to "leave it alone"...most "Christians are bad threads" are a jerk knee response to the proddings and claims of the more rabid and vocal of the Christian members.... yes.gif
GoddessWhispers
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Yay, another "Christians are bad" thread. Isn't a thread supposed to be over the minute you compare the other side to Hitler? Isn't that a rule? So this thread was over the instant it was posted.

Stalin and Mao were atheists. So what? Atheism is still as fine an answer to a nonsense question as any other. Bertrand Russell was an atheist too, and so were all those pacifist Buddhist monks in Tibet and Southeast Asia, and they were all excellent people.

Hitler was a Christian. Big whoop. So are the Amish. Figure it out, folks. It ain't a difficult concept.




laugh.gif You would be referring to "Godwin's Law", re: Hitler being interjected into a thread/discussion. In this case, you would also be mistake. This thread addressed the relativity of Hitler and Atheism in the OT. Therefore Godwin's does not apply. grin2.gif
Adam2006
QUOTE(GIDEON MAGE @ Dec 26 2006, 04:01 PM) [snapback]1474060[/snapback]
Hitler was a typical Christian. Impose your will on others, at all costs.

Love it. I totally agree with what you are saying, and what is 'christian' about forcing your views on others? Isn't religion meant to be personal enlightenment? And the church seems to blackmail you into coming to them. Become christian and you will go to heaven. However if you dont, go to hell!. Seems alot like blackmail/bribery to me. No wonder they feared God! However i do believe the vatican is hiding ALOT.

If you ask me Buddhism is the best religion, mainly because its barely a religion.

Sorry, i have moments like this. Moan over. blush.gif
IamsSon
QUOTE(GIDEON MAGE @ Dec 26 2006, 10:01 AM) [snapback]1474060[/snapback]
IMHO, Hitler was a typical Christian. Impose your will on others, at all costs. I guess most Christians hate Jews for coming up with God first. Whenever I hear an antisemitic comment, such as "Jews are cheap", etc, I simply counter with, "So, you are saying Jesus was a miser? I see." Usually they either shut up or hit you.


Wow, Gid, you must have been having an off day not to come up with a couple more anti-Christian idiocies.
aquatus1
The Christianity-bashing is getting old, people. Drop it now. If you are going to make a comparison, either put up some numbers to support it in an objective manner, or keep it to yourself.

In regards to Hitler, Mao, and all the other war-mongering atheists...religiously observing atheism defeats its purpose. You dont have to have a deity to be a religious fanatic.
Paranoid Android
When people begin to acknowledge the real reason for these wars - selfish human nature - we might begin to see some real change. As long as people continually blame something other than themselves for the evils of this world, the evils will still continue. Blame religion, blame communism, blame Canada (South Park joke), blame anyone except what makes us all united as humanity, and we don't feel so bad to be part of the problem.

The solution is a lot easier than you might think, yet as unattainable as ever, in the current climate.
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