Of course I read it. If you read my post, I mentioned that it helps establish that both the anicent Jews and Christians acknowledged that the Seraphim were dragons, even though Christianity tried to cover this up later on.

But if it were truly "Biblical" why do none of the religions that recognize the Bible as inspired scripture recognize Enoch as inspired.

But don't feel bad. Most of the New Testament can hardly be considered "Biblical" either. Like Enoch, these New Testament texts are filled with Pagan Zoroastrian dualisitc ideas of an evil Satan that challenges God, in complete contradiction of the Old Testament Satan, who is a "Son of God" and obedient servant creature to God.

I believe you have claimed Enoch is one of the oldest books in the Bible, but no serious scholar supports this. Like the New Testament, it is filled with Zoroastrian dualistic ideas. It is safe to assume it was because of Enoch that the New Testament has an evil Satan.

The serpent in the Garden of eden was Satan the hissing enchanter

he was there decieving the whole earth from the begining did not look obedient to me , looked pretty evil Called God a Lier . Would that not be evil?

Oh Enoch is not Zoroastrian. First of All Enoch was Ethiopian, and nowhere does it claim dualistic Gods. Satan is JUST an angel, that's it nothing more. He works for God as the tempter/tester and accuser. God Himself says He makes both good and evil. In Enoch 2 it clearly states ALL submit to the will of God.

Seraphim aren't described as dragons either. They are SERPENTS with flaming swords. That does not indicate a dragon. In fact the ONLY reference to a dragon comes from Revelation, and I find much of Revelation questionable.

And as for Enoch being the oldest book I've done a debate on this and won, the evidence is there.

The Greek word used to describe the Seraphim in Enoch is Drakon, where we get the word Dragon. True, a Greek "Drakon" sometimes has wings and legs and sometimes are just a giant serpent, but Isaiah describes them with arms and legs, the Egyptian hieroglyph of the Seraph is a quadrapedal dragon (though called a fiery serpent), and you claim they carried swords. How do you do that if you are just a snake? Moreover, the dragons that decorate the 7 branched lamp and legs and wings and must be Cherubim or Seraphim as well.

As for Enoch being Ethiopian, I am surprised you would say such a silly thing. It is unquestionably a post exile Jewish work ca. 200 BC. It was widely used by Christians until a council banned it. All copies were supposed to be destroyed, but the Ethiopian Christians, isolated from the rest of the Christian world because of the Muslim onquest of North Africa, retained it. Fragments of Enoch in Greek have been found at Qumram as well as I recall.

Did you just quote yourself?

I don't know much about this just guessing

Satan wasn't a seribun he was a cheribun . i think the creatures discribed in ezekiel on are cheribun.

seems like they could take 4 forms , lion,eagle , ox or man

I think in the religions of this world these creatures appear often , for exsample i Captain a boat with a native american crew . A few weeks ago while returning to port we seen a bald eagle setting on a rock . One of the natives offered a tobacco offering to the eagle . I guess they think eagles take their prayers to the creator or something .

Hindues got a thing with cows


somebody probly got a thing with lions


Christianity carrys a picture of a guy with long hair around that 5 minutes in scripture can tell you is not Christ .

Makes you wonder if the God of this world Satan don't have his picture right over the pulpits of Our so called Christian Churches .


Just how Good is that old serpent at decieveing ?

people are taught to believe that the devil have horns or wear a red suit with a pitch fork. Lucifer was the name of the angel [ that stood as a man] on earth... I can give you what God has given to me...about the description of Lucifer....but that is not your question...The spirit of the snake is upon Lucifer ...this is why he is called satan ...this is the cursed that was put upon him...yes he is pure evil...he is the beast...He walks as man on the earth in form ...but have the mind of evil...This is where the deception comes in to what has being taught

Satan gives snakes a bad name...snakes are cuddly, is Satan cuddly?

i got a feeling satan's face looks like the guy with the beard with his picture over christian churches pulpit .

Chuck Norris?

regardless, the idea has spawned some wickedly awesome sounding heavy metal...