Is Satan pure evil? Is he the devil? Is he Lucifer? What if Satan is being used by a more powerful and evil Devil? I want answers to these please.

If there is a Satan i dont think he is evil i think he just get's blamed for everything.

To answer your questions, in Christianity Satan is the fallen angel Lucifer. Lucifer was the name of Satan before he turned evil. As far as the bible goes, Satan is the worst there is, pure evil, no control.

But thats just what Christians beleive, there are probably other religions that have different viewpoints on the subject.

Like, I believe Satan isn't this insanely evil man, but I believe that he will use trickery and such to destroy mankind, or try to destroy it.

i don't think pure evil even exists. just like i don't believe pure good exists. besides if he was pure evil, i think he'd be causing a bit more trouble then he already is. personally, i think he's no different than Loki.

Hi NiCk,
I used to worry about this as well. Then I read a book by David Icke, called "Infinite Love is the Only Truth, Everything Else is Illusion." I'm not saying I believe everything that's in the book, but a whole lot of it made sense to me.
Don't get me wrong.... I studied Christianity and the Jewish faith for many years and used to debate on Christian forums "with the best of them". I set out to "prove it right" and ended up proving myself right out of a Religion. Anyway, I think the book is definitely worth checking out.

Sorry. I'm new and guess I spoke out of turn and should have posted on a different forum. Please accept my apology.

Satan is only what you make of him, Their are many different interpretations of what he is!
He is directly a result of the christianity belief.
Satan is the adversary of God. Thus, Satan is evil personified. Many followers of the Bible consider Satan to be a real being, a spirit created by God. Satan and the other spirits who followed him rebelled against God. They were allegedly cast out from Heaven by their Creator. Theologians might speculate as to why the Almighty did not annihilate the "fallen angels," as He is said to have done to his other creations when they failed to be righteous (save Noah and his family, of course). Satan was allowed to set up his own kingdom in Hell and to send out devils to prowl the earth for converts. The demonic world seems to have been allowed to exist for one purpose only: to tempt humans to turn away from God. Why God would allow Satan to do this is explained in the Book of Job, where Satan is described as an angel who works in cahoots with God. When Job asks why God let Satan torment him the answer is blunt and final: Hath thou an arm like the Lord? The story of Job is interpreted in many different ways by theologians but my interpretation is that nobody knows why God lets Satan live and torment us. God is God and can do whatever He wants. Ours is not to question why, ours is but to do and die.

I feel the real question you should be asking is The Lord any better than Satan?

Huh why??




Anyway back on the topic so i dont derail it if we were to believe the bible then God shows more thirst for death and destruction than satan. Like i said if Satan is real i dont think he is evil i just think that he is the scapegoat for other beings or people who do evil or bad things so thay can say Satan did it or Satan made me do it.

Yi and Yang. There would be good in him. Because Yi and Yang says so.

God has destroyed cities, caused great flood's , earthquakes, Etc. Just to name off a few so NO he is not any better than satan.

But then again god is called omnipotent so the creator shall do as it pleases. (Blaaah)

There is real evil - you just haven't seen it!

Satan was made up by religious people to make you scared.....theres no such thing.
My opinion and only my opinion.

Hello
First off I will say, I am not a christian, but I have no problems with other people's beliefs. I personal don't believe in satan or anything more evil than humans, but for the dissusion lets say there is a satan, pure evil, a mother can drown her own child, people kill each other over shoes, enslave children for ungodly reasons, and we do this to ourselves, so is satan more evil, the bible says we have free-will and satan cannot make us do anything. But a little closer looked at the bible god say that "He is everything, and perfect" and angels have no free-will; also that we shouldn't follow the satan path but we are not suppose to hate anything, forgiveness. Also god said that "He is All power", did he mean most power or ALL power, does satan have some.o, how did satan became evil and how did an angel fall that didn't have free-will, or any power that god hasn't give him and what does it mean when god say he is everything, was he mistaken and really meant to said only light, can't god say what he meant to said (or did he really mean something else). Do not to judge warns god for you do not understand the will of god. So, to answer your question Nickc818, you have to decide what is god, is he everything and all power, can god mean what he said, have to asked yourself if you believe angels can free-will or not, (a wolf can only be a wolf it is not evil when it kills a baby deer, wolf don't have free-will, according to god neither does an angel,) or does satan have free-willed mean he has power (meaning god doesn't have ALL power) Maybe satan is only doing what god has appointed him to do, maybe there is a need for balance is the universe. How do we overcome our fears and weakness? What are some of the most important lessons in life you have learn? How do we learn about our strength and bravery? Struggle can be a great teacher especially when you have overcome them.

In South American( can not remember what country) there is a festive every year that is held, and half of the towns people dressed up like angels and the other half dressed up like devils. They have these whips and a battle begins between the angels and devils and they ferociously whip each other. Then at the end of the battle all the angels and devils drop their whips and hugged each other.
Someone asked why didn't the angels win? And the guided said because in their ancient belief the friction between good and evil spark life.

I personal like that. Like a car battery, there is a positive pole and a negative pole, you could have a brand new car, all the best parts to make up the engine. But all that means nothing if both the positive and negative poles aren't hook up, if you only hook up the positive and when you turn the key, nothing happens, and the same for the negative pole, all those parts like the starter, timing belts etc, means nothing. But hook them both up (the + and -), and it generates everything.

"There is nor right or wrong, just perspective and opinion"

"If there wasn't any evil then there wouldn't be any good, so I guess it's good to be evil sometimes"

The myths and legends of Satan aren't very concrete. The Bible doesn't give much information on him. Many on these boards have stated that the legends of Satan where created by man. A popular legend is that Satan challenged God's rule because Satan didn't like how God treated humans and favored them above the angels, so Satan and his pals where sent to hell after they lost a war to God and his angels. Lucifer was Satan's name when he was an angel.

If Satan was being controlled by a more powerfull entity...it somehow escaped refrence. Of course Satan could have a boss...but so could God...and their bosses could have bosses, but that doesn't really matter.

Lucifer is not Satan. And it is God who, according to scripture, does evil. Satan acts as an agent, and is a member of God's heavenly court if you will. Satan is sent before God to be an obstacle, and adversary, when God wishes to do evil against others.

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7, KJV)

Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not EVIL and good? (Lamentations 3:38)

Many more.

Sorry for reposting the following ... Satan/Lucifer/Devil ...

Here’s a brief synopsis of The Origins of Satan by Professor Elaine Pagels (Princeton University):

“Pagels charts the evolution of the Jewish and Christian concept of evil from Old Testament times to the present day (although the majority of the book deals with the New Testament era). She explains how ' Satan ' didn't always refer to an evil being but was initially used to represent an obstacle. After that meaning, it evolved into a meaning which was used to unify your group against your enemies/adversaries or 'satan'. The Jews still don't, nor did they ever, believe in or create the Satan/Devil being/creature/character of Christian lore.

It wasn't until New Testament times and later that the concept of an evil being who is actually called 'Satan' or the 'Devil' or ' Lucifer ' evolved. It is interesting to see how these concepts have continued to persist throughout religious and political history with groups stigmatizing others not in their group (whether it be religious, political, racial, etc.) as being 'of the devil'. Dictatorships and other authoritarian organizations always need an external enemy to bind their followers together.”

The Origins of Satan
http://www.amazon.com/Origin-Satan-Elaine-...TF8&s=books

John J. Robinson A Pilgrim's Path, pp. 47-48:

"Lucifer makes his appearance in the fourteenth chapter of the Old Testament book of Isaiah, at the twelfth verse, and nowhere else: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

The first problem is that Lucifer is a Latin name. So how did it find its way into a Hebrew manuscript, written before there was a Roman language? To find the answer, I consulted a scholar at the library of the Hebrew Union College in Cincinnati. What Hebrew name, I asked, was Satan given in this chapter of Isaiah, which describes the angel who fell to become the ruler of hell?

The answer was a surprise. In the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference. The Hebrew scholar could only speculate that some early Christian scribes, writing in the Latin tongue used by the Church, had decided for themselves that they wanted the story to be about a fallen angel, a creature not even mentioned in the original Hebrew text, and to whom they gave the name "Lucifer."

Why Lucifer? In Roman astronomy, Lucifer was the name given to the morning star (the star we now know by another Roman name, Venus). The morning star appears in the heavens just before dawn, heralding the rising sun. The name derives from the Latin term lucem ferre, bringer, or bearer, of light." In the Hebrew text the expression used to describe the Babylonian king before his death is Helal, son of Shahar, which can best be translated as "Day star, son of the Dawn." The name evokes the golden glitter of a proud king's dress and court (much as his personal splendor earned for King Louis XIV of France the appellation, "The Sun King").

The scholars authorized by ... King James I to translate the Bible into current English did not use the original Hebrew texts, but used versions translated ... largely by St. Jerome in the fourth century. Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, "Day star, son of the Dawn," as "Lucifer," and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place. Lucifer the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule eternally in hell. Theologians, writers, and poets interwove the myth with the doctrine of the Fall, and in Christian tradition Lucifer is now the same as Satan, the Devil, and--ironically--the Prince of Darkness.

So "Lucifer" is nothing more than an ancient Latin name for the morning star, the bringer of light. That can be confusing for Christians who identify Christ himself as the morning star, a term used as a central theme in many Christian sermons. Jesus refers to himself as the morning star in Revelation 22:16: "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

And so there are those who do not read beyond the King James version of the Bible, who say 'Lucifer is Satan: so says the Word of God'...."

Kindly,

Sean

Well Tehuti, I love the concept that God is All That Is. In my view God does love All that He/She is and ever will be. What a marvelous story from South America. In a way it reflects the entire human experience. That's where various points of view arm themself against each other. In the end they know its a game and hug their friends who played their foes.

I myself think our planet earth is a play ground for various energies. It was never intended to be either full of light or darkness but a place for balancing All that Is. I also think this concept will never be recognized by the population in general for if it did it would spoil the game.

So may I ask Tehuti what is your background on belief systems. How have you developed your points of view on these things?

John

If you want pure evil, Condi Rice might be able to help you.

i've seen real evil, but not pure evil. there's a difference.

John
Thanks I loved the S. American story too. I try to keep a childlike view, sense of awe, of the wonders of life, nature and universe. I asked alot of questions and keep an very open-mind and hears. The name Tehuti, if know the name, might give you some hints.

He doesn't exist. Satan/devil/applegate/whateveryouwanttocallit is a myth used by people who don't want to take responsibility for anything.

OH yes pure evil exists, Im sure Itll find you soon enough.
Anyways I hope it finds you might Open your eyes ^.^

Good luck when it comes.

Before I answer your question, please define "pure evil," and hopefully, it is not a human characteristic.

Nah... he's not pure evil.. just misunderstood.
So misunderstood infact, he doesn't even exist.

God creates. Satan destroys. But the first thing he'll destroy, logically, would be himself. He will be a threat to his own existence.
So, I doubt Satan can be of pure evil. Because then, his existence would be very unstable.

Satan is the adversary to God, scripturally speaking. Satan performs his duty in acting as a prosecutor for the human race. And though there is no biblical evidence either way, I'd be surprised if Satan did not relish his job. Does this make him evil? Well, it depends on your definition of "evil", doesn't it.

Satan is just one, albeit the most famous one, of a class of heavenly creature called Seraphim, which in hebrew means fiery flying serpent, and when translated into greek were called Drakones, and now "Dragons". They are the highest ranked of heavenly creatures, possibley because they are also the most ancient, being some kind of prehistoric reptile enhanced with great intelligence. They are the "destroyers" of the Bible and sent to kill the enemies of God, such as in the case of the disobedient Israelites in the Book of Numbers. Later Christian mythology turned them into fluffy, swan winged cartoon angels, but this has nothing to do with the real Bible.

This is why Satan is referred to as a Serpent or Dragon, but he was never a mere angel, which is a lesser creature in the Biblical Hierarchy. And in the real Bible he has always worked for God. The "Enemy of God" Satan is another Christian myth which contradicts the only scripture Jesus ever endorsed (books of the Old Testament.

But Satan is perhaps the greatest Christian missionary, for the belief in a dualistic enemy of God, (even though it is not in the Bible), was something the pagans flocking to Christianity could understand, just like all the other pagan religions had. For it is very difficult for the pagan minset to understand a concept like a montheism, where God alone is responsible for both good and evil, like the Bible really says. I guess this is why the "chosen people" were chosen.

For even today we see most Christians more comfortable with a dualistic pagan mythology of God vs. Satan, instead of the Biblical monothesim of a Satan who works for God.

In some scriptures, Satan is a man-devouring monster reptile. But does this make him Evil? It is God who sends him to do his bloody work. Perhaps that is why these Seraph dragons were created or modified from some prehistoric monster -- perfect, living killing machines that happily burn and devour without ever having a bad conscious over it as might a "human-like" angel. And if we are to believe the Book of Revelation, they are to destroy one third of the human populaton.

opposing all that is good.

Define good? What about the shades of gray?

Good and evil, right and wrong are just perspectives and opinions. As they say one man's heaven is another man's hell.

Evil- The destruction of oneself, others, and when I say destruction, I mean body and spirit. Kill the body and spirit kind of evil.

From a Christian perspective, I'll try to summarize, and in doing so make gross generalizations that books have been written about.

God is good, and God created the angels to be good in the spiritual realm before the physical. Lucifer, or Satan, was the being in charge of the angels. However, like mankind, he was given free will along with the angels to obey God or follow their own path. Satan followed his own path. He then believed that he could become more powerful than God, and caused many angels to rebel, causing them to be cast out of God's presence.

These entities are without God - without any good, Fruits of the Spirit, and they use their powers to create disorder, to corrupt, destroy, and kill. Satan is the leader of it all. In short, he is the highest form of the absence of good. Now, Michael is the archangel, and Christians believe the battle to be won against Satan, but still being finished... Kind of like D-day already happened with Christ's death and resurrection. Hope this helps.

Get your facts straight, guy. There is no Lucifer in the Bible at all. This is a mistranslation of a passage about the King of Babylon and a Christian invention hundreds of years after Jesus walked the Earth. This is why there is no Lucifer in Judaism, for unlike the Romans who invented Lucifer, the Jews actually comprehended the Hebrew language. This is common knowledge among educated theologians and Biblical scholars, and there are many books and articles that explain this in detail, some reposted here on UM. Nothing in the real Bible says Satan was ever an angel or that he rebelled from God. This is part of the "non-Biblcial Christian mythology" with no Biblical basis.

Michaels prophesized binding the dragon Satan and casting him into the Abyss is a verbatim plagiarism of the much older Perisan myth of Ahura Mazda binding the dragon Ahriman and casting him into the aybss. The only part "John" did not steal from Zoroastrian scripture was limiting his dragn's stay in the Abyss for 1000 years instead of Ahriaman's imprisonment for 3000 years. Both dragons rebell again and are put into the lake of fire or molten metal.

Prior to this plagiarism, there is nothing in the Bible about Satan rebelling against God, or even being the Satan in Eden. On the contrary, the books of the Old Testament record that Satan is one of the most trusted members of the heavenly council, called a Son of God, and is often sent to Earth on heavenly missions. And Christians should remember that Jesus endorsed the Jewish scritpures, and NEVER told his followers to write a new Bible full of pagan blasphemies stolen from Zoroastrian and Hellenistic mythology. Maybe this is why Jesus didn't return when the early Christians said he would (in the same generation as the apostles). Evidently he realized that the pagans he tried to save would never be able to understand the concept of a monotheism, and had to invent dualistic opposing evil dieties like Satan, in complete contradiction of the ONLY Holy Scriptures Jesus ever endorsed. According to the real Bible, Satan is a terrible flying serpent-creature with great powers that God sends to destroy or terrorize his enemies, without a hint of any disobedience. According to early Christian art and scriptures, these dragons surround the throne of God and consume the souls of sinners who do not pass judgement, for the concept of a fiery Hell was also stolen from Greek mythology, and would not totally supercede the soul devouring dragons in Christian beliefs until the popularity of an Italian novelist named Dante who largely invented the modern idea of an underground hell ruled by Satan. That's it. End of Story. While Jesus may very well be the Son of God, Modern Christianity has almost no basis in the Judaism of Jesus, and is rather, a mixture of dualistic Zoroastrian and Hellenistic ideas rampant in 1st century Western Asia where Christianity was born.

yes to the first....yes to 2nd....none is more powerful that he is, he is top dog.....yes he is lucifer and goes by other names also....depending on who
you are talking to....whether in the Bible or not, the translations have been used and stuck....he is also an angel of light (to further confuse the translations).....and wow some translations really reach out...be careful what you listen too....


randomhit10

these are very good quotes....in full context the meaning is a little different...evil being discord, disharmony, trouble....yes God will use these against
anyone He chooses when He sees the need....all the names that have come through the ages still lean toward one idea....the name fit at the time and the understanding of the people present....

randomhit10

only chirstians believe in satan

If there wasn't any evil then there wouldn't be any good...so I guess its good to be evil.

For "good" to exist it has to be compared to "evil", one cannot exist without the other. For something to be good it has to be compared to its opposite which would be evil.

But in truth everything doesn't boil down to good and bad, there are shades of gray...and blue and red. Sometimes a little evil creates a greater good and a little good sometimes spawns a greater evil.

Good and Evil are perspectives in the eye of the beholder.

you have a keen perspective concerning good and evil...especially hqw a small amount of one can have monumental and far reaching effects on the other...

randomhit10

Umm thanks?

I'm not so sure Satan is pure evil in the sense you speak of.....I believe he is evil yes...But i think it's more cause God loved us more then him and the fallen angel's....Therefor he interned into a battle with God and lost it all....

As for his demon's yes he use's them to hurt us and keep us from God's love so i guess in the end he is evil if you look at it that way...Or maybe he's just a spoiled child....

If you where to ask Satan if he was evil what would he say? He would say no he would think that he was good.

In Satan's perspective he is good but in our perspective he is evil...the truth is that we are both right. If you where to say that you where right then you would be saying that your perspective and opinion is somehow better then Satan's...but everybody's opinion is equal.

I think is is a subject that is more about what one's personal belief's are and therefor there is really no right answer to the question.....

Well, no. He was once God's most favorite angel and the most powerful angel just below God (a role now fulfilled by the angel Metatron previously Enoch). Before his fall he was also the most beautiful angel.

When he fell he becam,e the prince of accusing angels prosecuting attorney against mankind (his fall was due to Adam and Eve) but he still works for God and believe it or not not still loves God, immensely. It's kind of sad really, being that close to God and then cast out, no wonder he has revenge for mankind. Angels are afterall the sons of God, and satanail is the first prodical son.

As for being a spoilt brat, yeah he's that too. He jumps up and down and whinges to God about whoever his current b**** is about until God either a: listens to him and sends him down to punish/test/tempt the person or b: gets the Seraphim angels to burn satan's tablets so God doesn't even see them. That's how it works. He's nothing to be afraid of, trust me. Unless of course, he has God backing him, then be scared.

O fcourse all that isn't biblical canon and its authenticity is questionable. Its still a good story that fits though.

Of course it's Biblical, ever heard of Judaism? That's the Jewish view on satan.

No, Ashely, what you are saying is neither Biblical or Judaic. It is based on the Books of Enoch which we know clearly inspired much of early Christian theology, though Christians do not like to admit this. Judaism did not accept these books as Canon either. Still they are very interesting, and prove that both the early Christians and Jews acknowledged that the highest heavenly creatures, the Seraphim were translated to "Dragons" becasue Enoch was written at a time with Judaism was using Greek instead of Hebrew. And ancient Christian art also confirms the Seraphim were understood to be dragons.

There is NOTHING in the Judaic Canon that states Satan ever fell from God's favor. This comes from a combination of the dualisim of Enoch (written after exposure to Zoroastrianism during the Babylonian captivitity), combined with the Christian misunderstanding of the imaginary Lucifer, for this scripture DOES NOT refer to a once beautiful, prideful, fallen angel, but to the King of Babylon. This really cannot be debated.

The only physical description of Satan in Judaism that I am aware of is in Ginzberg's "Legends of the Jews" which is a compilation of ancient Jewish scriptures, both those contained in the Bible as well as non-canonical but equally ancient literature that often fills out, and complements the Bible. Thus, when God nearly kills Moses for not circumcising his Son, we do not know the details in the Bible, though in other ancient Jewish scriptures God sends the serpent-dragon Satan to swallow Moses, though orders the creature to spew him up when Moses wife quickly circumcises the baby with a sharp rock. This seems odd to Christians, but not to Jews who understand the word Seraphim in Hebrew means a fiery flying serpent, even though early Christian themselves translated the word to Drakon, though later they would become fluffy swan-winged angels of Christmas cards and cartoons.

You are right though that Satan may well be the second highest of heavenly creatures, and his countenance as a giant reptile may allude to his creation/modifcation millions of years ago from some kind of prehistoric winged reptile. Incidentally, this is the ONLY description of him in canonical Christian scripture as well - a fiery dragon, just as the word means in Hebrew.

But final confimation comes from the earliest Sumerian versions of these stories. Satan is Enki - Great Serpent Dragon and Lord of the Earth, and guardian of Eden, who warns Adape (Adam) not to accept the gift of Eternal Life from the High God in Heaven. This is where the much garbled Eden story in Genesis comes from. And perhaps 3000 years since the Sumerian story was originally written, Jesus still calls Satan a serpent/dragon and Lord of the Earth, even though this title was forgotten in the Jewish Genesis scriptures, and the serpent is nothing but a curious talking snake. This secret knowledge reveals Jesus to be real, though most Christians do not know enough about their real theology to comprehend ths.

But as for Satan being evil, the Old Testament states God is responsible for both Good and Evil. The evil Satan that opposes God is a Christian invention that has no basis in the only Bible Jesus ever endorsed, the Old Testament Canon. Nor did he tell his dicsiples to write new scriptures based on pagan Hellenistic and Persian concepts, though this combination of Judaism and Greco-Persian Pagan beliefs has become the theology of mainstream Christian theology, with its concocted evil Satan that opposes God.

Its impossible to define what pure evil is

Satan has 2 goals on Earth to decieve the masses to keep them from finding truth usally by starting many many faiths with every tale he can spin.

And to Kill Christians , Not kill in this Life But to take Their Eternal Life so they are erased for ever . I Think Thats Pure Evil !


And Also What will the World be Like when Satan is Kept Chained . No wars , No diseases , No corporate Greed Micah 4, Isaiah 11 states even Animals will lose their killing Nature while Satan is Chained . YA HES EVIL without Him the Earth will be Come a Perfect Place .


But why did God allow This evil one to walk amonst us? Well eternity is a long time and the evil has to bee seen to be beleaved .

Also men may be Evil and Evil ones need top be Picked out and Discarded . They will never see eternity .

One big problem now is we can't rightously Judge ... Someone evil May not be Evil in reality as demons can influence or even posses people. we humans mostly don't know if a evil doing person did it on their own or was greatly persuaded by evil spirits . Only Christ can Truely judge at this time .

Your ideas are a little mixed up I'm afraid. In the only Bible Jesus ever endorsed as the word of God, it plainly states that "God created the evil as well as the good", and that Satan is called a Son of God, and one of his most trusted servants. Unfortunately, most of the New Testament writers did not understand Hebrew so they made their Satan into some dualistic evil opponent of God that contradicts the Holy Torah, based on the evil Dragon Ahriman from Persian Zoroastrianism. I am not blaming Jesus for this misinformation, but apparently only the Chosen people could understand the concept of a monotheism. Evidently most Christians do not, for they have invented an "evil God" to oppose the Good God, for what but another God can oppose the creator of the universe, right?

It is no wonder intelligent, modern people are falling away from Christianity. The idea of allowing an "evil Satan" running rampant for thousands idea makes a mockery out of the notion of the Biblical God being an all powerful Creator. Read the Bible again guy. Satan works for God and God is responsible for the evil in the world. Why does he allow this evil? Maybe because Christians have perverted his Word so much with nonsense about an all powerful , evil Satan, that he is giving them what they want to believe in.

You need to Think much deeper and a lot bigger if you are to Figgure this out .

Yes Satan is created actually Christ Created Satan acording to Col 1 .

Why ? we need to relise what God is really doing on this Earth most so called christians have no idea .

its in the bible plain as day but its so Unbeleavable nobody beleaves it or accepts it so they make up some ideas .

Whats he Doing ? Reproduceing The Almighty is called the Holy Father it really means it .

Romans 8 clearly tells us this but its so hard to beleave even most who cary a bible can not beleave it .

Christ the creator , The God of The old testament , creator of Satan is Our older Brother . God almighty who mostly lets Christ do this world is Christ Father and Our Father , Christ God and Our God . You can see God the Father and Christ actually talking in Hebrews 1 .

So man if he reaches his final destiny is A brother to the creator of this World now hows that for thinking big , You actually can Pass Satan , and he knows it . Why would you worship Satan When you if make your potential are to be greator then him ? So satan is Even got Satan worshipers Fooled to not knowing nothing .

So this plan is so big that us Men can't understand that the thousands of years this earth has been turning will be nothing to when we reach our potential . We might be told some day to create a Satan like Christ was .

Satan is a tool of God . Hes sifting good from Bad . God cannot make Evil men into His children so to go to our destiny we need a evil force to pull and persuade us . Some will like evil And want to stay evil . Some will reject evil and want Good . Good is what God the Father Calls Good . Good is Gods Laws .

Good is when a Man admits his creator is Smarter then him and can do a better job at deciding right from wrong .
Evil is when Man decides the creator wasn't all knowing . and he knows more about certain things then the creator .

Thats what was wrong with Satan his pride would not let him admit his creator was probly smarter then him. So he decides to take over and do it his way .

So no more imortal beings will be made , now God makes them in the Flesh lets satan pull and persuade them before they can have eternal life . Any that reject Gods way will Have to create Their own Creation they will never recieve the imortal body God gives to the ones who prove Obedience . Nobody can live without a Body .

Theres 2 Kinds Flesh or Spirit Flesh is Mortal Spirit is Immortal You can't have the immortal one less you are judged . To be judged we Need a Prosecuter .

So Satan is only a Tool of God hes a prosecuter to bring out our Bad sides .

To ever get to eternal life we must reject this Evil and want to Obey .


Also man is being the chance to govern this earth now to do our work .

We will make a big Mess and God knew it .

Soon God will govern the earth , It will become wonderfull .

So for eternity we will then Know our Father Did know the way !

We had to touch the hot stove to beleave it was hot . But God unlike us if we let our Kids touch a hot burner to educate them Can fix it Later . We would think a Parent was awfull to let a child touch a hot stove after the parent told them not too and they severly burned them selves. Thats how you are judgeing God

But your not adding into it God can Fix it all after the lesson is Learned .


God could of locked satan up at any time , He could of put us on a pklanet with no Evil .....We just needed to see the results of Evil to beleave in Our Heavenly fathers way for eternity .


Eternity is So long it takes big lessons big as a thousands of years of death and distruction and a wrecked planet .


If your really trying to figgure it out , Think BiG real Big

LIKe WHAT IS MAN that a creator of a universe would consider him? Really brothers and sisterS ???

Draconic it's absolutely nothing to do withthe book of Enoch. Have you even read it? It IS indeed Biblical.