For 2000 years ahuge segment of the world population has worshipped Jesus as their God. Millions of people have diedfor his cause. More people have obeyed his written laws that all of the Man's laws combined. Even some scientists have done likewise. The memory of Jesus will live on for another 10,000 years, unless someone does something about it.
There is no comparable fact or theory that comes close to the fact or theory of the story of Jesus.
My suggestion is that the evolutionists put up or shut up. The evolution fact todays vaporizes tomorrow. The smoke screen of Jesus is forever. I intend to end his reign. If you can top this a personal memo will help.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

I think I may have missed the point...

I... I don't follow... I'll come back in an hour after I drink a few more beers... Maybe I'll understand then.

I can believe that.

The point is that no scientific accomplishment has come close to matching the impact on the world that Jesus has. I do not remember reading that Jesus was a scientist. I am not a Christian. I am bringing out the point that science has a long way to go to affect the world as Jesus has. Real simple.
As far as the beer. You are going the wrong direction.

What impact has Jesus had on the world, that the world itself would have any interest in?

Your world-view is too limited. The world doesn't give a damn about Christianity. Only one part of one species that has been around for barely a blink of an geological eye has any interest in it's impact. The world does care about science, if for no other reason that science has spilled over from the species that uses it to affect all the others, and the planet itself.

Um, I'd say the wheel, mathematics as a whole, mining and smelting (where do think all those crusader swords came from), physics in all its forms, and I could go on and on and on. The accomplishments of science enable everything we do. That said, science is not a religion and it's not its purpose to overcome any religion or convert people. Don't make the mistake that a lot of folks do and make science an -ism.

I agree with ^. I mean look at what science has done for us and what jesus has done. Facts of science make way more sense than some random babling in religion. Science actually proves itself unlike religion which just sais anything and states the cause as "because the lord willed it".

BTW what are you talking about science has affected the world as much as jesus if not even more. Science is the reason that many people DON'T follow jesus.

Science has effected the orld far more greatly then Jesus could ever do. I'm not even going to list all the medical and technological advancements that make our lives what they are today...Science has cured more people of their illnes' then Jesus ever did. We live in houses instead of caves because of science. We drink clean water and can produce food at rapid rates because of science.

Modern day medical sciences could have even prevented Jesus' death.

List Jesus' accomplishments and you will find that man can already do one better.

Actually, there are no records of jesus accomplishments. The "gospels" were written as much as 30 , even 80 years after he was alleged to have died. As for this sentence in the OT: "There is no comparable fact or theory that comes close to the fact or theory of the story of Jesus." And since the grammar is a bit skewed I'll presume and say, you are mistaken. As discussed in another thread , if I understand you somewhat correctly, there are legends/myths/fables, far older than the christ myth. Attis & Cybele, Osiris and Krishna, to name but a few. All savior/Messiah's, all born of a virgin, all sacrificed to save the people of their world.

Jesus never made any written laws, he said, per those disciples mentioned earlier, that he had come to fulfill the prophecies of the old testament and the laws set forth there. Consequently, it is in error to say more people have abided by jesus written laws today than the laws of men. Else people would be stoned to death for working on the sabbath, parents could murder their disrespectful children, people could still own slaves (as long as they were not of their own tribe), men could murder their wives, (OK, that still happens, but still.) Etc...

As for your statement you intend to cease the life expectancy of the christ myth to last another 10 thousand years, I say; "It's a myth! Stop hating and get a real hobby! One that doesn't make you sound like a anti-religious zealot that needs a date in a hot shower with a cold cattle prod and some Zanex!"


That is all.

Sometimes I wonder what would've happened if Constantine had just decided that he didn't feel like promoting christianity. Truthfully I think christianity would be about the size of scientology. Of course, this shift would've altered koran, book of momon, etc. Really makes you wonder if those two would even exist. Would there really be this many rambling embracers of ignorance? Christianity isn't even a blip in the massive expansion of science. The science that enables us to live healthier, talk through the internet, send people into space, educate, etc. I'll die happy the day people stop fearing their own death because of a stupid book.

Hmm, sounds like a call to arms. Rally the scientific community. You gotta do something about this Jesus bloke, he's stealing your thunder. Not that I agree with the sentiment, like ahs been said, the world largely ignores Jesus Christ and his teachings (hell, a lot of Christians ignore Jesus also, so where does that leave you?). But for the orginal poster, you're more than welcome to try. Raise the warcry, scream for blood (metaphorically, of course). Rise up and do something about this blight on human society you call Christianity

Sex has made a bigger impact on the world than Jesus. And Jesus never got laid. So what does that tell you?



Nothing....absolutely nothing.

One more thing.

Christians have a tendancy to view the Biblical era as from the very beginning. Unfortunately for them its not the case. Jesus has been around for 2,000 years. Just because in your narrow minded view of the world that's a really long time, doesn't mean it is. Its a blink of the eye. Egyptians believed in their gods longer and so did the Greeks.

So for your rally....well there's a reason you feel the need to rally. And that's because you feel the power waning. Jesus is losing steam. And so you are rallying for one last hurrah.

Face it. In 2OOO more years people will view Jesus and God the same way we view Apollo and Zeus. A fantasy, a myth, and it will be hard for people then to understand why so many people actually took this stuff seriously.

I can prove you wrong on that one....

1: Transistor
2: Internet
3: Space Travel
4: Radio
5: Television
6: Light Bulb
7: Discovery of AC current

Les B I think you do not understand that all of the above impacted the world in ways Jesus never could.

All 7 of the above have revolutionized the human race. I could name others as well but really pointless here.

Take the light bulb for example no one really thinks about it but everyone who has access to electricity utilizes it. Telephones allowed us to communicate with one another followed by the internet. Radio allowed for mass communicatio for the first time globally. Television allows us to view the world through the eye of a lens on a lit screen.

The point of my post is to show that science and discovery has done more for all of us then Jesus ever did or could.

After reading a few of les b's posts I've come to the conclusion he/she has some form of mental handicap.

ganjaguru u are right but even though all 7* things revollutionized the human race-- jesus is still at the forefront..no matter what .

Well.
This is'nt an attack, but i'm going to throw in some things not mentioned yet. The 2000yrs of worship were enforced through fear of torture and death. When too many were killing themselves, rather then face the abuse of the religious, the religious made up that crap about your immortal soul{which, by the way, does'nt exist} They always had to make up something to deepen the control factor. The millions who have died, where killed by the insanity of religion, both their victims, and their selves. All victims of religious virus infection.

As far as the old testament laws, even the current crop of holy rollers threw that crap out. They threw it out because science and steady education made their horror fantasy position more dangerous for them. They had to change their methods of control. The scientists who followed that, did so out of fear in the early days of real science. As far as comparable stories to that of your jesus and his so called impact, when people get together and think of ways to get rid of it{finally} Your jesus won't even be a memory in 200yrs, let alone 10,000yrs.

As far as the evolutionists go, They can only explain the processes of their enviroment they come to understand. It is manufactured, just not the way they, or the religionists{creationists} think. As far as topping you, most don't even have to try. Just read history and note all the noticable deletions and surmise why just that is, and you disprove the religionist and spiritualists, hands down.

If I am to understand the OP, it basically consists of a call-to-arms to prevent Christianity from dominating the future. To tell the truth, I'm all in favor of that, or at least in favor of preventing the more virulant, fundamentalist, bigoted forms of Christianity from dominating the future. If, say, Francis Collins wants to be an Evangelical Christian on his weekends, I'm find as long as he doesn't annoy me, try to take away my rights, keeps his religion in the church and out of the classroom, and stays scientific when doing science.

In other words, I've got nothing against moderate Christians.