Hi, I want to discuss possibility of Whales & Dolphins being the same spiritual beings as humans, just in different bodies. I believe that it is possible that they have organized societies and the role to play on Earth. Well, if you look at this, they live in different environment to ours so they have no need to build houses. If communication is telepathic, then schools are not needed either. Size of their bodies protects them from any danger, except from humans. They are most definitely intelligent.

Check web site - http://au.geocities.com/spiritualwhale/
You will find information about beachings, about societies, about communicating and more.
I loved it, what do you think?

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Hi draconic chronicler,
But what about if "They are not very smart" only in your world, in your way of perceiving? And what about if our concepts of power strugles is simply bizzare to Spirit? Humans have chosen to live in separation to everything else. If this is a case then our selfish behavior does not come from Love (in spiritual sense). We don't co-exist with anything, even with members of our own specie! Developed beings live in Unity Consciousness. It is an understanding where one is telepathically connected to others and each has the happiness of the others as their major desire. And it is sought to create that, which provides the fullest expression for each part of the group, for each member of the group. If Whales live in such a way, then it is unthinkable for them to roam the ships destrroing spiritual development of other Beings of Light.
I think that it is their choise not to interfere with our affaires and it has been made comming from true, spiritual Love - something, what humans must learn what it is!

Hi Darkwind
If we accept that human experience is living in separation from everything else, then it explains why we cannot use our spoken language to communicate with them. If they communicate telepathicaly, if this is the way in wich whole univers communicates, then it is humans who are different!!! and it is humans who do not hear what they are saying.
The univers communicates using thought forms, telepathically sending the forms that create thoughts and words. So for them there is no language they cannot speak. They are a lot more advanced than the human world is willing to understand at this time.

Heebrow
The biggest problem for them is use of sonar. They called it HARP sonar. The freqiencies of this monstrocity interfere with frequencies of Love itself and this is why they beach themselves - to bring to our attention that they are dying from it. Those who beach themselves have taken on too much of this ditortion and they want to die - it is sueside. HARP is pollution beyond aceptable level for them.

There is more fascinating information about these things at http://au.geocities.com/spiritualwhale/

Hi Avinash_Tyagi
How does Hindu treat crystals?

absolutely, totally fascinating specimans' and they inhabit such a difficult environment...It just bothers the hell out of me that they're once again regarded as any other "animal" on this planet, not a human. And therefore will be treated like "animals". I.e. poluting of the oceans, commercial boating, troll fishing and all the other vicious methods of mindlessly killing them for their "animal" resources. Dear god i wish some higher than human race of alien's came and gave all these fat cats in suits a taste of their own selfish treatment... mind you im rambling once again, yes, fascinating creatures...truely

I say ants are smarter.

Whales have a different kind of intelligence than we do, cause they live a vastly different environment. If we were the same we would be able understand their language. That doesn't mean they have no spirit or soul. I am always amazed after all we have done to them they don't kill us on sight, maybe that means they are on a higher spiritual plain than we are.

All living creatures are spirtual beings, at least from a hindu persepctive

I am afraid they are not as smart as you think. I wish it were not so but the facts speak for themselves. If Sperm whales had a similar intelligence to humans, instead of being slaughtered by whalers in wood ships through the 17-19 centuries, they could have easily sunk every ship on the ocean, thereby stifling human trade and development significantly. One incident where a sperm whale sunk a large whaling ship by ramming it, proves this is possible. That real event inspired the novel Moby Dick. But no, they were so stupid they allowed men to slaughter them unabated, when in fact, with intelligence they could have prevented man from sailing the seas until steel hulled ships were invented, whcih probably would have never happened if not a single sailing ship could enter the water without being rammed to pieces by whales.

Personally though, I'd like nothing better than to have japan sink into the ocean after a huge earthquake, and have the world population of Sperm whales converge there and eat everyone alive. It couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people and would be perfect poetic justice given the barbaric treatment they have subjected these creatures to.

Hi, great to have you talking. I responded to some of the messages below.

Hi draconic chronicler,
But what about if "They are not very smart" only in your world, in your way of perceiving? And what about if our concepts of power strugles is simply bizzare to Spirit? Humans have chosen to live in separation to everything else. If this is a case then our selfish behavior does not come from Love (in spiritual sense). We don't co-exist with anything, even with members of our own specie! Developed beings live in Unity Consciousness. It is an understanding where one is telepathically connected to others and each has the happiness of the others as their major desire. And it is sought to create that, which provides the fullest expression for each part of the group, for each member of the group. If Whales live in such a way, then it is unthinkable for them to roam the ships destrroing spiritual development of other Beings of Light.
I think that it is their choise not to interfere with our affaires and it has been made comming from true, spiritual Love - something, what humans must learn what it is!

Hi Darkwind
If we accept that human experience is living in separation from everything else, then it explains why we cannot use our spoken language to communicate with them. If they communicate telepathicaly, if this is the way in wich whole univers communicates, then it is humans who are different!!! and it is humans who do not hear what they are saying.
The univers communicates using thought forms, telepathically sending the forms that create thoughts and words. So for them there is no language they cannot speak. They are a lot more advanced than the human world is willing to understand at this time.

Heebrow
The biggest problem for them is use of sonar. They called it HARP sonar. The freqiencies of this monstrocity interfere with frequencies of Love itself and this is why they beach themselves - to bring to our attention that they are dying from it. Those who beach themselves have taken on too much of this ditortion and they want to die - it is sueside. HARP is pollution beyond aceptable level for them.

There is more fascinating information about these things at http://au.geocities.com/spiritualwhale/

Hi Avinash_Tyagi
How does Hindu treat crystals?

If by Crystals you mean a solid in which the constituent atoms, molecules, or ions are packed in a regularly ordered, repeating pattern extending in all three spatial dimensions., then they don't really treat them as anything except simple matter AFAIK

I realize whales and dolphins are very intelligent for animals, this is why orcas generally don't eat their trainers, for they are smart enough to know that the humans have captured and have complete mastery over them. They have submitted to slavery.

But the wild whales were not intelligent enough to prevent themselves from being killed by man. it is ridiculous to think they knowingly allowed themslelves to be slaughtered. And if they were so smart, and for some reason wanted to spare their human murderers, they could have sunk the whaling ships but allowed the humans to safely leave in their lifeboats.

We can go to sea world and think orcas are cute, but they are cruel predators who prefer to kill their cetacen cousins over less intlligent fish. One orca was found with the remains of 18 or so seals and dolphins in its belly, and they will tear out the tongues of baleen whales, and let them die a slow and painful death.

I like whales too, and admire them for some of the world's greatest predators. I believe they have a right to be here and that all whaling should be outlawed. But it is nonsense to think they are some kind of saintly, non-violent creatures. Any baleen whale kills literally millions of small creatures every day. Sperm whales kill 400 to 1000 much larger animals a day. In fact Jacque Cousteau estimated the the world's Sperm whales consume a biomass of marine animals equivalent to the entire human race every year!

Hi draconic chronicler,

I am comparing Whales & Dolphins to humans. Whales eat and humans eat. Humans also enslave animals for the purpose - no other, but to kill them in easier way and when we decide to. Did you see eyes of the cows when they enter abattoir? - they know...
You could argue that one Whale eats more than one human, but how many Whales and how many humans occupy the Earth?

What you said about what Whales should do with the ships and the men is a point of view of a physical person - view of a human.
Take a view of your spiritual part. You are living one of your many lives. You came here with some purpose in mind. I case of Whales & Dolphins they came to counter balance human activities allowing us to experience what we came to Earth to experience - killing, dominating, pushing and pulling everything what can be overpowered.
Now, if Whale & Dolphin's purpose is to allow us to do what we are doing, then they cannot interfere with our objectives. They are connected to spiritual realms and are fully aware that this life is but a stage in their development as a Beings of Light. Humans don't have such connection, as yet.
For physical human getting killed is the end of the world. You don't see past this life! But for spiritual part of you it is not the end! It is a beginning of a new adventure - next life. So some of humans and some of Whales & Dolphins do come here for the very purpose - to sacrifice themselves.

Um maybe those cows know cause they smell death. Where did you get your spiritual info from. It looks a bit new agey. Gum drops and lollipops huh.

[quote name='SpiritualWhale' date='Dec 28 2006, 01:07 AM' post='1475830']
Hi, I want to discuss possibility of Whales & Dolphins being the same spiritual beings as humans

oh yes mhmm and so are bears, and pigs, and dogs, and cats, and bats, and wolves, and tigers, and birds, and bees, and mosquitoes, and scorpions, and spiders, and goats, and sheep, and kangeroos, and lizards, and horses......blah blah blah etc. etc. The truth is we dont know and never will know (until we die) if humans or ANY other animal for that matter, have any type of spiritual being to them or if we are all just physical. I guess its a possibility that whales and dolphins have the same type of spiritual energy we have, if we have any, but its also possible that they dont, anything is posible really so if you want to believe that go ahead no one will stop you.