If the liberal "take away the guns of law abidding citizens" in the US had their way, these good people would have been at the mercy of the criminals. The criminals have their guns, while the law abidding people have "harsh language".


FIGHTING BACK

3 home intruders shot dead in Albuquerque
'Hopefully this is going to send a message,' says police spokeswoman

Three men who broke into homes in the Albuquerque, N.M., area in the last month were shot dead by homeowners, and police say they hope would-be robbers take the hint.

The latest incident involved Raymond Gabaldon, 40, a repeat offender, who, police say, stole a car and then tried to break into a home in southwest Albuquerque.

"Hopefully this is going to send a message to people who are breaking into homes," Albuquerque police spokeswoman Trish Hoffman told the Albuquerque Tribune. "They're engaging in very dangerous behavior, not only to the people they're robbing, but to themselves."

None of the three homeowners involved in the shootings have been charged, though the cases are still under review by law enforcement.

Homeowners around the country were also dealing directly with those breaking into their homes and businesses.

An armed homeowner in Charlotte, N.C., also foiled a break-in Tuesday, police there report.

A man told police he was preparing to take out the trash at his home when he realized an intruder was in his house.

The resident told police he went to get a handgun and as he turned around, the attacker struck him in the back of the head. That triggered a fight between the attacker and the resident of the house. During the scuffle, the victim said, he fired his gun once, with the bullet striking the refrigerator.

The assailant then fled on foot.

In Kingsport, Tenn., an armed convenience store clerk yesterday pulled a handgun on a knife-wielding robber, fired once and drove him off with one shot.

And, in Seattle, an armed homeowner fatally shot an intruder Tuesday, according to a police report.

The homeowner was roused from sleep by an intruder. The 31-year-old homeowner grabbed his shotgun and killed Justin Hercyk. That case is still under investigation.

Damn Liberals These Liberals you speak of are not trying to take away guns from innocent "law abidding citizens", they are in favor of strict regulations. If they did "have their way", I highly doubt there would of been a different outcome to this story.

Liberals do suck for the most part.

That's funny, you claimed to be one not to long ago.

That's just beautiful. Those robbers had no right to be there... For all they know they could be there to murder or rape them or their families. Better to put the filth down than allow them to hurt you or your family.

No disagreement here, however whether I want to trust most of the people in this country with guns without controls is a totally different matter, (after all many voted for Bush in 2004 ), personally i'm in favor of strict gun controls, and mandatory gun training, and intelligence tests (definetly a must after hearing about all the people who've smashed their TV's, walls and each other with their Wiimotes) before allowing people to buy a gun

Yes. They are.



Heh heh. Eric you KILL me.....



I think that was a joke, son.

I can just imagine...
"Say hello, to my little friend"

I praise the people that protected their property and I will and have always done the same.
I lived in Texas all my life except for the last 3 years and when the "right to carry" which of course was regulated ...meaning you had to pass a course on proper gun usage and pass a background check.
Crime dropped 47% state wide the first year.
Thugs are cowards.
Come get my truck while I'm in it..........
Or try to rob my house....
You bleeding hearts are pathetic

Care to explain? The only stuff I have seen in my rather brief research was Democrats wanting stricter gun control laws and were against the idea of having a concealed gun in public legal. I did not see anything about them wanting to take away all the firearms from all citizens so perhaps you can show me some evidence? I do support scrict laws, mandatory tests and training to own firearms and I also support the right for someone to own a firearm (if they are qualified).People sure like to ignore facts around here and sacrafice their common sense to take a shot at someone. Thanks for the amusement.

You know facts and the right-wing don't get along Reincarnated

Keep telling yourself that, sir. These recent rulings completely illustrate my point.



Thursday, December 07, 2006
Anti-Gun U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and thirteen other Senators sent a letter to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice urging the United States to reconsider its opposition to the development of a global arms trade treaty.


Jersey City Gun Ban Defeated!
Court Voids Illegal Gun Rationing Law
Friday, December 15, 2006
In a lengthy and carefully reasoned decision read from the bench, New Jersey Superior Court Judge Maurice Gallipoli declared Jersey City’s one gun a month handgun rationing law null and void, holding that it violates state pre-emption, equal protection, and was “arbitrary and capricious.”


Michigan Legislature Passes Emergency Powers Protection Act!
Friday, December 15, 2006
Fairfax, VA - Michigan’s State Legislature has passed a two-bill package backed by the National Rifle Association (NRA) to create the state’s “Emergency Powers Protection Act” (HB 6363 and HB 6364). The new laws prevent local governments from confiscating lawfully owned firearms during a declared state of emergency, as witnessed in New Orleans following Hurricane Katrina.

Actually it sounds like those illustrate Reincarnated's point perfectly, as those all seem to be about Gun controls/regulations, not about taking away people's guns for no good reason.

I guess confiscating lawfully owned firearms means something else to you, sir.

Michigan Legislature Passes Emergency Powers Protection Act!
Friday, December 15, 2006
Fairfax, VA - Michigan’s State Legislature has passed a two-bill package backed by the National Rifle Association (NRA) to create the state’s “Emergency Powers Protection Act” (HB 6363 and HB 6364). The new laws prevent local governments from confiscating lawfully owned firearms during a declared state of emergency, as witnessed in New Orleans following Hurricane Katrina.

Yeah that was during the emergency only (probably to stop the looting seen in the aftermath of the hurricane), afterwards anyone could go back to owning a gun

Total Gun Confiscation of Law Abiding Citizens Begins
Federal forces lead criminal gangs of police in America-killing gun grab

Alex Jones/Infowars.com | September 9 2005

“The balloon has gone up, the shoe has dropped. Anyone doubting the criminal intentions of the social engineer control-freaks in Washington need only look at middle-class neighborhoods being stormed by black-masked wearing jackboots on a mission to steal guns.

This is a precedent setting case for national gun confiscation. This is a clear declaration of war by the Federal Government against the American people. This is exactly how Lexington and Concord started the Revolutionary War in 1775.”

– source


The federal government has been chomping at the bit for decades to disarm the American people, and now an amalgamation of state and local police led by the BATF are having their deepest desire fulfilled in New Orleans.

Major newspapers are reporting that in middle-class neighborhoods undamaged by floodwaters paramilitary police are going door-to-door demanding citizens’ firearms.

The New York Times even admitted that this is so the citizenry cannot resist when they are physically forced to leave their homes.

DOJ, HCI FURTHER PLAN TO CONFISCATE GUNS

"The decision... paves the way for the Department of Justice to proceed with plans to force gun owners who both registered firearms... AND who abided by the law... to turn them in."
Attorney General Bill Lockyer decided on Tuesday to drop an appeal of a suit brought against the California Department of Justice by Handgun Control, Inc.
Former Attorney General Dan Lungren appealed a July 1998 ruling by a San Francisco superior court judge that he violated the state's Assault Weapons Control Act (AWCA) by allowing the registration of firearms after the March 1992 deadline prescribed in the law. The decision by AG Lockyer to drop the appeal paves the way for the Department of Justice to proceed with plans to force gun owners, who both registered firearms after the deadline AND who abided by the law as interpreted by the Attorney General, to turn them in.

source

You mean they DID confiscate their firearms. But it's ok, since it was a lawless emergency.

That is perhaps the MOST important time for people to protect their family and property.

when most people are looting and pillaging, goverments get desperate to find a way to stop it, was it the best way, probably not, but in emergencies, most feel it is better to do something than nothing.

Also Aztec, there is an edit button, you don't need to triple post

Thanks, I never knew about the edit button. Perhaps I should put all my different posts into one.

Gov't do get desperate, but instead of confiscating good peoples firearms, they should concentrate on the "looting and pillaging".

Edited for no good reason.

Instead of Triple posting, yes

Well I think they hoped it would get rid of the looting and the pillaging

Are you suggesting a connection between the regulated 'right to carry' and a drop in crime? Take guns off people equals less murder?
The WorldNetDaily article only details one murder, er...fatal shooting. What about the other two?
Never mind.


Thank almighty God that the cost of saving lives just keeps on being discounted.

Buy a house, get a free gun...if you're a police officer? Link
Suck on the beloved barrel America. It'll come in their face and the Lord'll say Yeah! World Gun Lobby Daily?

Oh man, if a democrat, liberal or independant used infowars and Alex Jones as a source, we wouldn't hear the end of it and be called "kooky liberals" or "conspiracy nutjobs". As soon as that name pops up, the conservative/republican types on these forums automatically blow it off as non-sense but now we have one actually using him as a source! The hypocrisy here is amazing! I guess it's only true if it supports your cause

Never. Please find me that post. I am for the most part a republican with a few liberal fews such as legalization of drugs, pro choice, etc. Big difference from a tree hugging, tax raising LIBERAL.
I have many libertarian views. Once again thats not liberal.

Homeowners 3
Thugs 0

Yippie homeowners!

thats right coldethyl and in case anyone needs advice on guns , heres a few links to help you get PIECE of mind
http://www.gunsamerica.com/ or this one http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg69-e.htm
look out theres a commie about

Wait a minute. I may just be confused here, but it sounds like this Dan Lungren guy violated the law, which means that the assault weapons registered after a certain date were technically registered illegally. I hardly think that this is the government trying to seize the guns of simple law-abiding citizens. This is one guy who broke the law and made others pay for it.

And I won't even get started on the whole issue of why these citizens felt as though they needed to owe assault weapons.

I already trust a lot of people in this country with guns.

More gun control? Why? What has the government done to make you trust them? You go on about how Bush and government do things, so why the want for gun control? Gun control just makes it harder for law abiding citizens to use their right. I mean, look at the up roar Newt got over wanting to limit free speech but it's alright to limit another freedom? That's just bull. I've been shooting even before I was in kindergarten and I've never shot anybody or commited a crime with a gun. So why treat me like a criminal?

I'm in strong favor of gun training. I want it in every school from K-12 in America a gun class to learn to properly handle, shoot and care for guns. It's only with education do people really know. Look at it now... Kids pick up a gun today and think they are in Halo. Better to me to throw some reality at them. We learn all other rights and how to use them in school, why not the 2nd one?

I'm not sure what intelligence tests would do but I'm against that. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to handle a gun. It's a tool. Do you want to give intelligent tests to people buying a sledge hammer to?

I trust myself with guns, everyone else i'm suspicious of



Sure, in a world where people sue because they spill coffee in their laps, I demand it

WHERE have stricter gun controls reduced crime?
New York City? The Sullivan Law of the 1920s in New York City banned ownership of firearms among New Yorkers without their possession of a permit. Boy, THAT law sure worked, eh? New York City is a bastion of peacefulness, isn't it?
Chicago and Detroit have some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation --- and their rife with violent crime upon their unarmed and helpless citizens.
San Francisco recently passed a law that prohibited the average citizen from possessing any handgun. San Francisco already had a crime problem and this will only make it worse.
Dade County, Florida had a horrific crime rate, then citizens were allowed to get a concealed weapon permit. Crime went down markedly.
In New Orleans, the cops confiscated firearms from law-abiding citizens --- and the looting, rape and shootings from criminals began in earnest because they knew few citizens had the means to resist them.
Confiscating firearms from citizens during any emergency is just plain criminal. How are these people to protect their homes, businesses, families and vulnerable neighbors?
During the Watts Riots of 1965 in Los Angeles, residents of nearby homes armed themselves and walked the sidewalks with hunting rifles and shotguns. Their homes weren't touched. I learned this from a woman who witnessed it as a girl, who didn't even know her father owned a gun until he joined other neighbors with a .30-30 rifle he'd kept hidden in his closet.
Possession of a firearm is the mark of a free man.

I've had a concealed weapon permit since 1979. TWICE I've had to display a pistol to keep myself from getting killed or permanently injured (prerequisites to the authorized use of force). Both were total strangers, one with a tire iron and the other a maniac on the city streets waving a large knife at a group of unarmed and helpless pedestrians.
In both instances, merely displaying my revolver sent them running away. I never had to fire a shot.
Without a revolver, the (big) guy with the tire iron might have killed me. Somehow, he mistakenly had the notion I was responsible for damaging his car --- while I was stopped at a Stop sign! Figure that one out!
And this was in lil' ol' Spokane, Washington --- hardly a hotbed of crime.

You want to force people to have an IQ test to own a firearm, conveniently forgetting that owning a firearm is a RIGHT guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment.
Would you also demand an IQ test to exercise the right of free speech?
You want people to have training --- how do you propose to fund such a thing?
This smacks of the "Poll Tax" enacted in the South to keep blacks from voting. Make them jump through hoops and they won't vote (or own a gun).
Salt Lake City, Utah has a terrible crime problem stemming largely from Hispanic gangs. Drug use is rampant. It's not the quiet, sparkling city the Mormon Church would have you believe. Parts of it are ugly and downright dangerous.
For this reason, I always carry a concealed pistol when I go into Salt Lake City.

Uncle Sam figured I was safe enough to carry a .38 revolver in the Air Force for four years, in defense of my country.
Suddenly, I'm not to be trusted and need training?
Who are YOU to make that judgment?
I've had to put up with smug, know-it-all, condescending, bigoted liberals for years, who thought that guns were only for the elite (read wealthy or famous) or the police. And yes, anti-gunners are bigots. They lump every gun owner into a caricature of being a pot-bellied, ignorant, slobbering Redneck.
Odd. I don't see them lumping blacks into tap-dancing, watermelon-eating minsterels! That would be wrong, of course, but it's okay to practice bigotry on gun owners.
When it comes to prejudice and bigotry, most liberals are hypocrites. As long as you believe as they do, you're okay. Disagree and you're misguided, ignorant or worse, dangerous.
The framers of the American Constitution wanted every American citizen to have the option to own a firearm. Option. Not requirement. If you'd rather not own a firearm, that's your business. I don't believe owning a firearm should be a requirement.
But those of us who choose to own firearms should be allowed to do so unhindered.
Lay the blame where it belongs: on the criminals who prey on the unarmed and innocent.
You want to see crime plummet in America? Let every law-abiding citizen carry a concealed firearm in most places.
And swiftly execute convicted murderers and drug dealers who murder by proxy with their dangerous drugs (methamphetamine, heroin, Ecstacy, cocaine and its derivatives, etc.).

I hope the three home intruders in Albuquerque burn in Hell. They almost certainly wanted to visit their own Hell upon the homeowners and they got what they deserved.
I say skrewm.

^^ That gave me the vapors!

If you break into my house you better belive you getting a hole put in your butt. I really really am looking to get another dog they are the best alarm system I would rather a intruder be scared off by my dog rather then to shoot them but hay my family's saftey comes first.

strict gun control+ regestration= confiscation.
ask britan and australia, they know how it works.

I'm getting a dog, but will also be buying a pistol. I wouldn't hesitate to put a bullet in between the eyes of someone who's broken into my home.

This is a dangerous path as well, I have heard of 2 cases where the crook fell and broke his leg breaking into someones house and sueing them and winning, another case a man cut himself and sued the home owner. What happens if you shoot someone,kill them or wound them ?

Same thing that happened here. Self-defense. No charges. If an intruder breaks his leg in my home, it'll make finding the sweet spot between the eyes that much easier.

If it had not been for the pistol my hubby & I had, I probably wouldn't be here today. Back in '93 we were working at a small motel in the middle of freakin' nowhere. We were about to become the victims of home invasion. H grabbed the gun & I grabbed a baseball bat. Those creeps weren't going to harm either of us!

Now, before someone says why didn't you call the cops...riiiiiiiiiiight! Small town (if you could call it that) in the middle of nowhere, no cops for only God knows how many miles. We would have been beaten or dead before they got there & the creeps loooong gone. Also with home invasions becoming the easiest way to rob someone...no thanks.

Like the bumpersticker on my car says: Put locks on criminals, not guns. Believe me, guns the criminals have are not bought legally so all these regulations will not begin to put a dent in crime. Did Prohibition stop alcohol consumption?

Lastly, I grew up in a home full of guns of all types. Never was there an accident or problem involving a gun. We are all taught when we were small do not touch & then as we got older how to use them. Everyone in my family can load, shoot & clean a gun, this includes my nearly 80 yr. mom. I think that problems come in when people do not teach their children the proper respect for a weapon nor lock them up when not in use.

You said it, glynne...

I'm glad I live where I live, guns freak me out really. Very happy I don't need a gun to feel safe.

I'm glad you live with an officer within two minutes of you at any given time, too...

I grew up in a small town in B.C. where if you needed a cop on the weekend you had to call the nearest town that was over an hour away. Now I live in a city of over a million people and still don't feel the need for a gun.

Gun's are obviously not for everyone. However, in areas with high crime, gun owners are much less likely to be a victim of a crime.

I guess I would agree with that, I probably would have a gun under my bed and a damn big dog.

As I said, I'm happy for you...

I moved into an inner city neighborhood that was run down and drug invested to revitalize and restore it which we have accomplished. Get back to me when you've had drug dealers, hookers and pimps threatening your life on a daily basis because you are "cuttin' in on da bidness", Silver...

Aztec...

Actually we do have a fairly big problem with gangs here, prostitutes hmm name a city that doesn't have em. As I said above if I lived in that kind of enviroment I would have a gun and be more then willing to use, by no means am I in favour of the criminals. If some crack head broke into my house I shot him in a new york min. Hope you stay safe.

My area is one of the safest in this part of the state and has low crime. Better to be safe then sorry?

It'd be like going on a hike without an survival kit just because you don't think you'd need it. You just never know what might come up.

Don't worry about me, sweety Silver....

Yeah Kratos, it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.