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Tehuti
Why do you think God seem so distant? A mystery, why doesn't he make it easy to understand or see him? As a whole (people).
Cadetak
QUOTE(Tehuti @ Dec 29 2006, 11:57 PM) [snapback]1478592[/snapback]
Why do you think God seem so distant? A mystery, why doesn't he make it easy to understand or see him? As a whole (people).


Because that would be too easy. He wants us to find him through our own strength. Its a test of sorts, if your teacher gave you the answers before the test then you would have learned nothing and the test(life) would have bin pointless. Is it better to be given the answers to your history exam or too find them on your own? Your teacher only guides you in learning.

I'm not religious but I think this is how it may work...or atleast the way I would have done it.
Omnaka
I agree with Cetadeck, and would also add , That because we are all sons of God heavenly Father and mother and they are arround all the time , and we as children of the most high, don't allways act like we think children of the most high should act,(like bro Jesus) we would just melt at the presence of the one we all say we adore and love and it would be a scary moment instead of the greatest , so God , Heavenly Father and Mother Wait for when we are in dire need or expressing pure devotion, or excitement , then because it truly is our will to know them they make them selves known , through miracles , big and small, When it happens , one knows it is god looking out for them.

Love Omnaka
Fluffybunny
Perhaps because god is a myth? It explains a lot...
truethat
Because he's not there? How far back do you need to go to not be there at all?
rixtar
Maybe it's as simple as God is here with us right now, instantly available, if you're open to it. My understanding is that the human ego resists God, not that God tries to hide from us.
rixtar
QUOTE(truethat @ Dec 30 2006, 04:30 PM) [snapback]1478640[/snapback]
Because he's not there? How far back do you need to go to not be there at all?

Yep there's that human ego at work again
Fluffybunny
QUOTE(rixtar @ Dec 29 2006, 09:36 PM) [snapback]1478651[/snapback]
Yep there's that human ego at work again


I thought god created man, and mans' ego?
rixtar
QUOTE(Fluffybunny @ Dec 30 2006, 04:37 PM) [snapback]1478659[/snapback]
I thought god created man, and mans' ego?

Of course you would be right with that, but part of the deal is that we got free will. We can choose to believe or to not believe, that is our right, but in not believing we so limit ourselves in this life. And the truth will become apparant no matter what we choose to believe in this life, anyway.
truethat
Yep I sure agree to that. I bet the believers in Zeus and Ra were absolutely certain that one day the whole world would come to realize the power and might of their gods.
Cadetak
Well I'm not going to get into a debate on the existence of God on this one but I will say that there are a lot of things in this world that cannot be seen, heared, touched, or smelled. When your senses of are no use to you, your mind and heart will lead you.
Dezmond
QUOTE(Fluffybunny @ Dec 30 2006, 06:29 AM) [snapback]1478639[/snapback]
Perhaps because god is a myth? It explains a lot...


Yup it sure does. grin2.gif
Snarky Pants
I believe in my heart that God is as close as the individual wants him/her to be. original.gif
Omnaka
QUOTE(Dezmond @ Dec 30 2006, 01:10 PM) [snapback]1478972[/snapback]
Yup it sure does. grin2.gif

That explaines nothing , but if it does to you that again is youre free will , and if it makes you feel better, or answers the question for you, I'm sorry .

Seek and you will find, Thats a promise From My Father and Mother, God.

I have looked My whole life , and have gotten signs From God , and in the last half of this life , Before I became spiritually dead, Father and Mother of My eternal spirit, Have revealed them selves to me and They are the most amazing Parents a boy could ever Hope for, The most loving and understanding, and because The spirit is everlasting,The pain and suffering They have seen me and you Go through, is nothing compared to the eternal life we have after this life,

God, Mom and Dad, Love us unconditionally , No matter what choices we make, and will send us back as many times as we need to experience, experience.

Just sAYIng God does not exist is a simple way to not have to search your own heart, for answers not readily available to You and your children, and ia a cop out IMO.

Again Free will, and if this is your will, Know Your will is God's will and you will not see , or Hear from the one who created this thing Called eternal spirit/ Life, For that is what you want.

Love Omnaka


SoulSlayer
QUOTE(Tehuti @ Dec 29 2006, 08:57 PM) [snapback]1478592[/snapback]
Why do you think God seem so distant? A mystery, why doesn't he make it easy to understand or see him? As a whole (people).

It would be easy if we were not clouted with sin...you see God is perfect and we are not therfore we cannot easily see or understand what is perfect...
SoulSlayer
QUOTE(Fluffybunny @ Dec 29 2006, 09:37 PM) [snapback]1478659[/snapback]
I thought god created man, and mans' ego?

Man+Sin=Man's Ego
GoddessWhispers
To address the OT: Why does god seem so distant?

Because for eons human kind has accepted the notion that to be here means they were put here, by something not. And ever since, they've been looking for it, everywhere they go. Everywhere, but in their own selves. Because they're told that's selfish. But life is so, and so people fight who they are on one side, hoping to be better than selfish, which is the counter opposite; holding belief in something other.


People will always need to believe, as long as they think there is a special difference for their being alive. People shall always need be saved if they believe they need hold allegiance in something like themselves, but better, will make them more than they are led to believe they are.



QUOTE
"Religion, n. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable."
(Ambrose Gwinett Bierce / 1842-1914 / The Devil's Dictionary)
Caana

The conceptual thing is distant, because it does'nt really exist. No matter how much you may talk of it, or believe it to be real.
The whole thing is kind of like a toddler, all those religious wars are caused because the toddler can't except what he believe's in, is'nt real.
So has a tantrum, and try's to force others to believe him, and those who laugh at him, he try's to destroy.

The concept of a god is destroying humanity. How foolish do you think we look to our galactic nieghbors?{the human one's} Who except themselves as who and what they are, and move on. The religious put that distance there, because they refuse to believe in themselves, refuse to believe that they are not special as the human beings they are.

You can get rid of the distance by getting rid of the belief, and centering yourself on you.
GoddessWhispers
And to, it's about power. The clergy or those intermediaries that are believed necessary to join man to god, are empowered over the believers. Imparting a spiritual dictatorship by word of mouth. Either through scripture on a page, or that and a clerical other "father" , that is that Shepard in the sheep analogy.

The morality that keeps people in line and that is governed by a higher council, is all based on some imaginary morality, that imparts we must work for the highest good, even though we're less than worthy. When one's sense of self-esteem is blighted, they give great power to those they entrust to lead them to feel better about who they are.

Just look at the "Self-Help" book market today. Billions of dollars in sales of books, tapes and lecture how to's. Then compare those sales to that of holy books. And then learn that books on Atheism are skyrocketing , compared to just 4 years ago.

I think it's a sign that people are finding they need trust something more in themselves, than some disembodied authoritarian power that expects complete allegiance but deems to return the favor, never. Until later, if one earns it while alive. And then only a select few chosen ones at that.

If anything , especially after 911, I think people are learning what divisiveness in cultures can do to living in peace as a unique person within a culture. How can anyone be proud of their diversity and then kill other people for being different!? Which is not acceptable! wacko.gif
So the populace that's moving to many neo-pagan faiths, or Atheism, even Agnostics are experiencing a change in populace. (stats being what their worth in salt)
Maybe , optimistically speaking, we've always been on our way to learning more than believing in god. For there have been Atheists far longer than believers. And if that consciousness is there it must come from some Gnosis, worthy of respect. Just as believers believe theirs is worthy and different in itself, when they choose to believe as they do. Religion says selfishness is a sin, but religion is all about the ego. Imagining some of us can write rules for how all of us live, create a faith and call it inspired.

Caana
Thank you.
Omnaka
Believing in God , Our heavenly parents, is more than religion will ever admit, it is believing in spirit, the spark that keeps these bodies running so sincronistically, We are born everlasting spirits, This means the bodies are only temporary, we as everlasting spirits are sent down and put in these temporal bodies so we can experience the Spirit within the body and we are sent down time and time again, God is not a figment of anyones imagination, I speak to Father and Mother all the time , Easier than I can type,
You are correct in that the major religions use their doctrins to keep the masses in line, but these are a sad rip off of the unconditional Love of our heavenly Parents , Father and The Holy Spirit , Our Mother , Father's wife.

We were created from the love of These two spirits who Make one God together in love, The love is what makes The spirit children , you and I, and it is us who continue this thing called life in to infinity,

There have been 30 worlds given away to sons from this world , who have graduated this world with love and Honors, Meaning their spirit has been Experienced, and as a gift from our Father have been given a world to create as they wish.

After this world comes to an end you will be chosen and will choose to incarnate on one of these worlds to incarnate and finish experiencing your spirit.

Father and Mother are Real but if it satisfies to think they aren't Then You wont Be hearing from them, Freewill.

The agnostics are cool because they just don't know , And won't go out of their way to blaspheme God Not Knowing , in essence throwing out the baby with the bathwater'.Their Idea of God does not jive with the Hatred and fear that the major religions push down our throat, God does not live in a book, God listens and is happy when we are and sad when we are .And will do anything we ask to try to give us the enlightenment we are looking For.
Sometimes You must see and do bad in order to understand and feel Good, We are breeding Up and better as the Good god race, The next world will be even better than this one.

If you took all the bad out of every religion in the world, you would end up with love, this Is My Heavenly Family's religion, and Mine too ,

Seek with your Heart and you will find and develop a personal Loving relationship with The one who created your spirit From , By and Of Love.

Don't seek and you will not Find, it is as simple as that

It is understandableif many don't believe me, But any amount of unbelief Does not Make Iam what iam is not, And that is a real tangable Loving everlasting Father and Mother, and we are a product of their love .

Love Omnaka

P.S.- Goddess , Why is that ol lady kicking an innocent Baby? Shock value???????????-O.
demonic presence
QUOTE(Tehuti @ Dec 29 2006, 11:57 PM) [snapback]1478592[/snapback]
Why do you think God seem so distant? A mystery, why doesn't he make it easy to understand or see him? As a whole (people).

Well, according to most people, he makes it difficult to understand or see him because he wants people to have faith in him so he cant reveal himself or it wouldnt be faith now would it?
Omnaka
Believing in God , Our heavenly parents, is more than religion will ever admit, it is believing in spirit, the spark that keeps these bodies running so sincronistically, We are born everlasting spirits, This means the bodies are only temporary, we as everlasting spirits are sent down and put in these temporal bodies so we can experience the Spirit within the body and we are sent down time and time again, God is not a figment of anyones imagination, I speak to Father and Mother all the time , Easier than I can type,
You are correct in that the major religions use their doctrins to keep the masses in line, but these are a sad rip off of the unconditional Love of our heavenly Parents , Father and The Holy Spirit , Our Mother , Father's wife.

We were created from the love of These two spirits who Make one God together in love, The love is what makes The spirit children , you and I, and it is us who continue this thing called life in to infinity,

There have been 30 worlds given away to sons from this world , who have graduated this world with love and Honors, Meaning their spirit has been Experienced, and as a gift from our Father have been given a world to create as they wish.

After this world comes to an end you will be chosen and will choose to incarnate on one of these worlds to incarnate and finish experiencing your spirit.

Father and Mother are Real but if it satisfies to think they aren't Then You wont Be hearing from them, Freewill.

The agnostics are cool because they just don't know , And won't go out of their way to blaspheme God Not Knowing , in essence throwing out the baby with the bathwater'.Their Idea of God does not jive with the Hatred and fear that the major religions push down our throat, God does not live in a book, God listens and is happy when we are and sad when we are .And will do anything we ask to try to give us the enlightenment we are looking For.
Sometimes You must see and do bad in order to understand and feel Good, We are breeding Up and better as the Good god race, The next world will be even better than this one.

If you took all the bad out of every religion in the world, you would end up with love, this Is My Heavenly Family's religion, and Mine too ,

Seek with your Heart and you will find and develop a personal Loving relationship with The one who created your spirit From , By and Of Love.

Don't seek and you will not Find, it is as simple as that

It is understandableif many don't believe me, But any amount of unbelief Does not Make Iam what iam is not, And that is a real tangable Loving everlasting Father and Mother, and we are a product of their love .

Love Omnaka

Ps- Goddess why is that lady kicking an innocent Baby? Shock Value????.
O-
Caana
QUOTE(Omnaka @ Dec 31 2006, 01:02 AM) [snapback]1479747[/snapback]
Believing in God , Our heavenly parents, is more than religion will ever admit, it is believing in spirit, the spark that keeps these bodies running so sincronistically, We are born everlasting spirits, This means the bodies are only temporary, we as everlasting spirits are sent down and put in these temporal bodies so we can experience the Spirit within the body and we are sent down time and time again, God is not a figment of anyones imagination, I speak to Father and Mother all the time , Easier than I can type,
You are correct in that the major religions use their doctrins to keep the masses in line, but these are a sad rip off of the unconditional Love of our heavenly Parents , Father and The Holy Spirit , Our Mother , Father's wife.

We were created from the love of These two spirits who Make one God together in love, The love is what makes The spirit children , you and I, and it is us who continue this thing called life in to infinity,

There have been 30 worlds given away to sons from this world , who have graduated this world with love and Honors, Meaning their spirit has been Experienced, and as a gift from our Father have been given a world to create as they wish.

After this world comes to an end you will be chosen and will choose to incarnate on one of these worlds to incarnate and finish experiencing your spirit.

Father and Mother are Real but if it satisfies to think they aren't Then You wont Be hearing from them, Freewill.

The agnostics are cool because they just don't know , And won't go out of their way to blaspheme God Not Knowing , in essence throwing out the baby with the bathwater'.Their Idea of God does not jive with the Hatred and fear that the major religions push down our throat, God does not live in a book, God listens and is happy when we are and sad when we are .And will do anything we ask to try to give us the enlightenment we are looking For.
Sometimes You must see and do bad in order to understand and feel Good, We are breeding Up and better as the Good god race, The next world will be even better than this one.

If you took all the bad out of every religion in the world, you would end up with love, this Is My Heavenly Family's religion, and Mine too ,

Seek with your Heart and you will find and develop a personal Loving relationship with The one who created your spirit From , By and Of Love.

Don't seek and you will not Find, it is as simple as that

It is understandableif many don't believe me, But any amount of unbelief Does not Make Iam what iam is not, And that is a real tangable Loving everlasting Father and Mother, and we are a product of their love .

Love Omnaka

P.S.- Goddess , Why is that ol lady kicking an innocent Baby? Shock value???????????-O.


I understand what your saying about love, it's the only thing of value here, however distilled and weak it has become, with the religious and their views on what love should be, and their enforcing their views through the laws they make, and control here in the states with their goverment. I also know what you are saying about your communicating is more convulated when you have to write about it.

I wrote this before, but i'll do it again.

I was at home,and had just been through scanning events that happened somewhere else{memory flashs} I was feeling depressed and caged in, from the info i had gleaned, as it all had to do with the history of lies and pain a world ruled by religion is.

It was odd, as they rarely speak directly to me anymore, while within a scenario. The voice said to me; look to the west our young friend. I was already by my westerly window, so i looked out of it towards the west. The voice said; not quite. I shifted my gaze to where the sun sets. The voice said; not that far. At that point i said aloud, i told you not to pock with me like this. No response.

The thought and urge to visit my mum, who live's in another apartment struck me. I went outside and walked to her front door and stopped. I hesitated, and took a step towards the road. I thought about the voice, and walked to the edge of the road and looked towards the west again. Movement caught my eye and i was looking at a bunch of little one's getting done with a holiday parade. The voice said; what is their message? i started to speak within my mind to the voice and said; You and i both know what their message is, a crock.

The voice replied; Not the beliefs and faiths, the message. I said; peace and goodwill. And i felt a comforting presence, which i rejected, and spat within my mind; After all you things have put me through, you can just pock of as always{the memory flashs are loaded with the emotions that go with them} Their reply was; We are sorry, that is all done. There is tons more from the last five years here. They do stuff like i just wrote, everytime the thought of being insane crossed my mind. To let me know there is no way out of their own insanity, and when i think that, they make efforts to let me know that i will escape.

If you've ever read any of my other topics, other then terminology and viewpoints, yours is similiar. The reason why i don't use your terminology, or share your viewpoint, is because i've already been forced through that. It is a path designed to give great pain{lots of filthy aliens} The one's you call father and mother in regards to spirituality, are just another facet of the many snare traps within this illusion. Been there and done that, even though you and your people are not my kind of human. You are giants compared to my own people, and far weaker, in body,mind and voice, in that you can't generate or control the energy that is your mind, which in turn can't exist without your body, which in turn has been designed to keep you from what i speak of. Voice is far weaker here, as it depends on your mind, both physical and mental.

Anyway, thats why i agree that love is the only thing worth mentioning about this place, as it's also my ticket out of here.
brave_new_world
God is the self.....To get all the answers about the universe from god you must become god. Jesus, buddha, muhammed and krishna all taught this path. When one purges away the ego that gives the illusion of separateness one becomes god himself and then there is no questions to ask god because god(yourself) knows all answers.
Caana
QUOTE(brave_new_world @ Dec 31 2006, 03:24 AM) [snapback]1479850[/snapback]
God is the self.....To get all the answers about the universe from god you must become god. Jesus, buddha, muhammed and krishna all taught this path. When one purges away the ego that gives the illusion of separateness one becomes god himself and then there is no questions to ask god because god(yourself) knows all answers.


Truth, except there is only one human, and he is seperate from what you concieve as existance. He will never be a part of the filth you call your universe, he is outside it. Your universe is a sham. And he defies all who have generated it.
brave_new_world
QUOTE(Caana @ Dec 31 2006, 12:41 PM) [snapback]1479872[/snapback]
Truth, except there is only one human, and he is seperate from what you concieve as existance. He will never be a part of the filth you call your universe, he is outside it. Your universe is a sham. And he defies all who have generated it.


Sorry I dont get it??? Please elaborate.
Caana
QUOTE(brave_new_world @ Dec 31 2006, 04:04 AM) [snapback]1479902[/snapback]
Sorry I dont get it??? Please elaborate.


First you need to understand that the universe is not infinite, it has a beginning and an end. Why do you think it has been designed to break down? The processes that you consider the natrual processes of life, are artificial, and as such, can't maintain themselves infinitely. They are not meant to.

When you mentioned that the path to understanding means realizing you yourself are your own power, you came close. I wrote a reply tonight in another topic that mentioned the need to throw out filtered beliefs and faiths, to center on yourself and your own perceptions, even if they are different from the majority.
This place was designed to make that finding of self really hard.

You can't make something from nothing.

What i spoke of is the element that is needed to generate the illusion of the universe. And boy is he pissed.
Does that help?
brave_new_world
QUOTE(Caana @ Dec 31 2006, 01:40 PM) [snapback]1479933[/snapback]
First you need to understand that the universe is not infinite, it has a beginning and an end. Why do you think it has been designed to break down? The processes that you consider the natrual processes of life, are artificial, and as such, can't maintain themselves infinitely. They are not meant to.

When you mentioned that the path to understanding means realizing you yourself are your own power, you came close. I wrote a reply tonight in another topic that mentioned the need to throw out filtered beliefs and faiths, to center on yourself and your own perceptions, even if they are different from the majority.
This place was designed to make that finding of self really hard.

You can't make something from nothing.

What i spoke of is the element that is needed to generate the illusion of the universe. And boy is he pissed.
Does that help?


Isn't infinite?? How can you say such absurdities?? Whence does the universe begin and whence does it endeth???
GoddessWhispers
QUOTE(Caana @ Dec 31 2006, 03:41 PM) [snapback]1479872[/snapback]
Truth, except there is only one human, and he is separate from what you conceive as existence. He will never be a part of the filth you call your universe, he is outside it. Your universe is a sham. And he defies all who have generated it.


Then if "he" is only one and human he is no higher than am I, as a mortal to. And "he" may defy that which generates this universe all he wishes and call this universe filth, all he likes. And while it may be claimed "he" is outside it and this universe is a sham, he is not truly superior to it if it occupies any of his attentions in that act of levying defiance to something he can not be superior to when he/it, makes an effort to fight that which it considers inferior. A superior has no true opponent in that which is inferior to it.
Caana
QUOTE(brave_new_world @ Dec 31 2006, 05:12 AM) [snapback]1479967[/snapback]
Isn't infinite?? How can you say such absurdities?? Whence does the universe begin and whence does it endeth???


The universe begins with the mind, and ends with it.
Caana
QUOTE(GoddessWhispers @ Dec 31 2006, 05:47 AM) [snapback]1479998[/snapback]
Then if "he" is only one and human he is no higher than am I, as a mortal to. And "he" may defy that which generates this universe all he wishes and call this universe filth, all he likes. And while it may be claimed "he" is outside it and this universe is a sham, he is not truly superior to it if it occupies any of his attentions in that act of levying defiance to something he can not be superior to when he/it, makes an effort to fight that which it considers inferior. A superior has no true opponent in that which is inferior to it.


He is not mortal, why do you think this place offends him so? He is one here, but in reality, he comes from a people. And as far as occupying his attention, i give you this anology. If you were taken captive by a weaker foe through trickery, and forced to do and be things you are not through illusion, why would you be inferior? because you aknowledge your captivity? You can't escape something being generated within your own mind by smashing everything and killing every one, because they don't exist. You have no choice but to wait until your captors move on and release you.

If you all of a sudden found yourself on a world of all males, and you know you were female on your own world, you would find their associations with one another filthy, would you not. Add further if they had public orgys, can you still think the same? the point is, if you knew who you really are, and are forced to paticipate in things you consider filthy, would'nt you call it so?

In his reality, people don't grow age or die, they live forever. If you went from that to this, what would you think? seriously.
brave_new_world

God or the universe isn;t solely a he, it is a she and a he and beyond both. Beyond both and including both opposites. God is both good and evil and beyond both. Everything is One and this of course isnt a numerical one.
brave_new_world
QUOTE(Caana @ Dec 31 2006, 02:56 PM) [snapback]1480005[/snapback]
The universe begins with the mind, and ends with it.


But eternity as it is in itself is infinite but beyond the concept of infinite. We use the word infinite to express the abstract notion of the endless vastness of the universe. Yes it starts with the mind and ends with the mind, hence why alllllllllllllllllllllllllll true mystics preach and practice transcending the mind.
femaleg33k
now, how may i ask do you KNOW that "God" is a being beyond all genders? pardon me, i somewhat take myself as a believer... but what i can't understand is how someone can argue about something as high as so... and yet has no proof of it? ok, lets be reasonable here... to each their own, yes, all is as believed, so in all sayings, i don't believe you can tell someone, that which has no proof... it is their own judgement to adhere by....

make sense? lol
brave_new_world
QUOTE(femaleg33k @ Dec 31 2006, 03:44 PM) [snapback]1480036[/snapback]
now, how may i ask do you KNOW that "God" is a being beyond all genders? pardon me, i somewhat take myself as a believer... but what i can't understand is how someone can argue about something as high as so... and yet has no proof of it? ok, lets be reasonable here... to each their own, yes, all is as believed, so in all sayings, i don't believe you can tellsomeone, that which has no proof... it is their own judgement to adhere by....

make sense? lol



I dont really know, just intuition tells me so. I have faith this intuitive insight. That what it really boils down to...faith. You are right, I dont qualify to say. But I use it in argument because it isn;t something im trying to impose on others, just saying my view. No one here really is qualified. Because I highly doubt mystics would use the internet.



Gandhi was committed to Advaita Vedanta (i.e. monistic or, more literally, nondual Hinduism), to the belief that all life comes from “the one universal source, call it Allah, God or Parmeshwara.” He expressed this belief by conceiving of all entities as drops in the ocean of life:
“The ocean is composed of drops of water; each drop is an entity and yet it is a part of the whole; ‘the one and the many’. In this ocean of life, we are little drops. My doctrine means that I must identify myself with life, with everything that lives, that I must share the majesty of life in the presence of God. The sum-total of this life is God.” (Fox, 1995. P259 (Gandhi)


“Man is not at peace with himself until he has become like unto God. The endeavor to reach this state is the supreme, the only ambition worth having. And this is self-realisation. This self-realisation is the subject of the Gita, as it is of all scriptures… to be a real devotee is to realise oneself. Self-realisation is not something apart.” (Fox, 1995. p109 (Gandhi)

But man does need God. Vedanta defines God as Brahman, which is beyond all duality, plurality and beyond all categories of thought; yet including these. But the Vedantic concept of God is difficult for the common man to understand. It is beyond those who are incapable of abstract thinking, for it is impossible for them to establish an effective living relationship with what is formless, infinite, transcendent, that Brahman is. Such people need a personal God with whom they establish a personal relationship- a father, mother, master, goddess, beloved, friend. Lord Krishna, a human incarnation of God, is closer to the heart of common man than Brahman could be. For unless the infinite is conceived in the finite form of a personal God, devotion will be lacking in depth and intensity. The senses need a form, a concrete something that can be held, touched and adored. (Sudhakar S.D, 1988. p54)

..The real God is not to be sought in idols and symbols, in temples or churches.
The truth of the matter is that the purified man is God himself, for he has become one with universal life. The purified man is the self-realised man. He has not to await answers from God, for he has no questions to ask. He himself is the answer to all questions; his life itself is a benediction. (Sudhakar S.D, 1988.
p55)


Ignorance of the self is the source of all troubles and the knowledge of it is deathless bliss and peace. (Sudhakar S.D, 1988. P66. (Yogavasishtha V.5.23)

To the enlightened man, whose consciousness embraces the Universe, the universe becomes his body, while his physical body becomes a manifestation of the universal mind, his inner vision an expression of the highest reality and his speech an expression of eternal truth. (Sudhakar S.D, 1988. P78. (Lama Anagarika Govinda)

But in reality subject and object are One; inasmuch as they are mere two aspects of the single process of perception; they are both the same, both being sparks of Brahman. (Sudhakar S.D, 1988. p88)

I have faith in the findings of the mystics
Caana
QUOTE(brave_new_world @ Dec 31 2006, 06:23 AM) [snapback]1480025[/snapback]
God or the universe isn;t solely a he, it is a she and a he and beyond both. Beyond both and including both opposites. God is both good and evil and beyond both. Everything is One and this of course isnt a numerical one.


The illusion you believe to be the universe, is generated within the mind of a male, he is not that pathetic god word. The other aspects are generated by the alien scum who are useing him to form your "reality". You would be surprised if what you thought of as being one, did'nt want you? His mind is infinite, it's the current universe within it that is'nt.
brave_new_world
QUOTE(Caana @ Dec 31 2006, 04:13 PM) [snapback]1480074[/snapback]
The illusion you believe to be the universe, is generated within the mind of a male, he is not that pathetic god word. The other aspects are generated by the alien scum who are useing him to form your "reality". You would be surprised if what you thought of as being one, did'nt want you? His mind is infinite, it's the current universe within it that is'nt.


Everything is infinite because it has it's origins in the infinite. If it is an illusion then there is nothing to fear, even the parasites wont be able toharm us because they too are illusions. You dont make much sense. You seem too sure of yourself.
Caana
QUOTE(brave_new_world @ Dec 31 2006, 06:25 AM) [snapback]1480027[/snapback]
But eternity as it is in itself is infinite but beyond the concept of infinite. We use the word infinite to express the abstract notion of the endless vastness of the universe. Yes it starts with the mind and ends with the mind, hence why alllllllllllllllllllllllllll true mystics preach and practice transcending the mind.


You can't transend your own mind, it is always with you. They obviously did'nt know that when they called themselves mystics, and wrote down something that can't be written. Symbols are meaningless, it is what you know that counts.
Caana
QUOTE(femaleg33k @ Dec 31 2006, 06:44 AM) [snapback]1480036[/snapback]
now, how may i ask do you KNOW that "God" is a being beyond all genders? pardon me, i somewhat take myself as a believer... but what i can't understand is how someone can argue about something as high as so... and yet has no proof of it? ok, lets be reasonable here... to each their own, yes, all is as believed, so in all sayings, i don't believe you can tell someone, that which has no proof... it is their own judgement to adhere by....

make sense? lol


Clap! clap! clap!
brave_new_world
QUOTE(Caana @ Dec 31 2006, 04:19 PM) [snapback]1480083[/snapback]
You can't transend your own mind, it is always with you. They obviously did'nt know that when they called themselves mystics, and wrote down something that can't be written. Symbols are meaningless, it is what you know that counts.


The mind isn;t really there some of the mystics say and others say to transcend the mind. Same thing but differetn semantics. Mystics never actually claim to be mystics themsevles, they are cllaed mystics by the masses usually because of their other worldly presence. Symbols are meaningless to the mystics but are necessary to begin with. It is psychologically impossible for anyone to behold the formless without any form of devotion to form at the outset. I think you dont understand what you are saying.

Everything you know is via symbols, whether what you know is via spoken words or written words. They are a means to an end and not an end in themself. You should educate yourself on the subject abit more before you say some of the nonsensical things you say.

Symbols are meaningless, it is what you know that counts???? So when one learns something via a book and uses those words to learn what the book has to teach are those symbols useless then? No, they arn't but they also arn't the end in themselves and shouldn;t be taken too serious because they are symbols and are not what they symbolize. They only point the way.
Caana
QUOTE(brave_new_world @ Dec 31 2006, 07:16 AM) [snapback]1480077[/snapback]
Everything is infinite because it has it's origins in the infinite. If it is an illusion then there is nothing to fear, even the parasites wont be able toharm us because they too are illusions. You dont make much sense. You seem too sure of yourself.


Of course i am, it's my personal knowledge. And yes, they can't hurt me, but they can hurt you. You have given them power over you, with all your qoutes and sayings from others, You are part of the scenario they are part of. And all that is but a part of their purview. They hate me, they know who i am.

Sense is as sense does, it's all your own.

Whatever you may face, you have brought yourself there.
brave_new_world
QUOTE(Caana @ Dec 31 2006, 04:31 PM) [snapback]1480100[/snapback]
Of course i am, it's my personal knowledge. And yes, they can't hurt me, but they can hurt you. You have given them power over you, with all your qoutes and sayings from others, You are part of the scenario they are part of. And all that is but a part of their purview. They hate me, they know who i am.

Sense is as sense does, it's all your own.

Whatever you may face, you have brought yourself there.


???????????? How can they hurt me??? If one uses quotes to explain or convey something how can that be bad?? If they are just taken as quotes? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA You sound like a neo wannabe from the matrix movie.
Caana
QUOTE(brave_new_world @ Dec 31 2006, 07:28 AM) [snapback]1480096[/snapback]
The mind isn;t really there some of the mystics say and others say to transcend the mind. Same thing but differetn semantics. Mystics never actually claim to be mystics themsevles, they are cllaed mystics by the masses usually because of their other worldly presence. Symbols are meaningless to the mystics but are necessary to begin with. It is psychologically impossible for anyone to behold the formless without any form of devotion to form at the outset. I think you dont understand what you are saying.

Everything you know is via symbols, whether what you know is via spoken words or written words. They are a means to an end and not an end in themself. You should educate yourself on the subject abit more before you say some of the nonsensical things you say.

Symbols are meaningless, it is what you know that counts???? So when one learns something via a book and uses those words to learn what the book has to teach are those symbols useless then? No, they arn't but they also arn't the end in themselves and shouldn;t be taken too serious because they are symbols and are not what they symbolize. They only point the way.


Sematics as far as what they might or might not call themselves. That other worldly presence is the parasite they have allowed to be a part of them{not human}

Devotion? You don't need devotion to be you, within your mind, you are exactly the same as without. I very much do know what i'm speaking of. You don't need symbols to sense and feel the energy that surrounds us, you don't need symbols in order to use it, those that do are weak. You yourself have said that there are the seen and unseen in so many words, why do i need spoken or written words to use my knowledge? or access the energy i am capable of transmuting into any effect i wish. Some of what i say may seem nonsensical to you, but the subjects you refer to are primitive, and designed to hold you back.

No offense, but some one who is tied up in symbols as a means of communication, has already limited themselves{in very many ways} What i'm speaking of could be construed as that thing you call transendance{with your mind of course} most of the things i have read and studied are useless in that they can help you, as a matter of fact, they drive you further away from what you need. Within this place you call a world.

And i'm not concerned with how others may percieve what they call a lack of knowledge within me, if they are truly in the know, then they realize what i'm saying. I'm glad you said that though. Written language is a most delibrate inefficent means of communication. Good talk.
Caana
QUOTE(brave_new_world @ Dec 31 2006, 07:34 AM) [snapback]1480109[/snapback]
???????????? How can they hurt me??? If one uses quotes to explain or convey something how can that be bad?? If they are just taken as quotes? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA You sound like a neo wannabe from the matrix movie.


You will know how they can hurt you, after your death. Because you are useing qoutes from one of the systems they set up as a snare.
Think about it, it sounds like the matrix because the illusions they use are a similiar effect.

Anyhow, it's good to talk to some one who does'nt go overboard.
brave_new_world
QUOTE(Caana @ Dec 31 2006, 05:03 PM) [snapback]1480139[/snapback]
Sematics as far as what they might or might not call themselves. That other worldly presence is the parasite they have allowed to be a part of them{not human}

Devotion? You don't need devotion to be you, within your mind, you are exactly the same as without. I very much do know what i'm speaking of. You don't need symbols to sense and feel the energy that surrounds us, you don't need symbols in order to use it, those that do are weak. You yourself have said that there are the seen and unseen in so many words, why do i need spoken or written words to use my knowledge? or access the energy i am capable of transmuting into any effect i wish. Some of what i say may seem nonsensical to you, but the subjects you refer to are primitive, and designed to hold you back.

No offense, but some one who is tied up in symbols as a means of communication, has already limited themselves{in very many ways} What i'm speaking of could be construed as that thing you call transendance{with your mind of course} most of the things i have read and studied are useless in that they can help you, as a matter of fact, they drive you further away from what you need. Within this place you call a world.

And i'm not concerned with how others may percieve what they call a lack of knowledge within me, if they are truly in the know, then they realize what i'm saying. I'm glad you said that though. Written language is a most delibrate inefficent means of communication. Good talk.



The attianment of consciousness which is beyond all symbols is a very difficult process that takes a lifetime. You like me are just espousing intellectual concepts. The point is we cannot escape the matrix of thought unless we assocsiate or at least digest the knowledge of the mytics who have. You do need devotion to be you or as paradoxical as it may seem, you need devotion to be you to get to the level which makes you truly realize directly with full heart and intellect that you dont need it. The subjects I speak are not to hold us back, but only if you view them so, this can be said about everything. How do I know you arn't trying to hold me back?? How do I know you arn't an agent parasite trying to infiltrate the unexplained mysteries site??? You think that because I see the good in religion that i am unquestioning and uncontemplating.
Also if I go by the information you are conveying via symbols(words are symbols) then how can i trust anything you say??? And if these symbols are such a waste then why do you use them in the forum???
Caana
QUOTE(brave_new_world @ Dec 31 2006, 08:25 AM) [snapback]1480152[/snapback]
The attianment of consciousness which is beyond all symbols is a very difficult process that takes a lifetime. You like me are just espousing intellectual concepts. The point is we cannot escape the matrix of thought unless we assocsiate or at least digest the knowledge of the mytics who have. You do need devotion to be you or as paradoxical as it may seem, you need devotion to be you to get to the level which makes you truly realize directly with full heart and intellect that you dont need it. The subjects I speak are not to hold us back, but only if you view them so, this can be said about everything. How do I know you arn't trying to hold me back?? How do I know you arn't an agent parasite trying to infiltrate the unexplained mysteries site??? You think that because I see the good in religion that i am unquestioning and uncontemplating.
Also if I go by the information you are conveying via symbols(words are symbols) then how can i trust anything you say??? And if these symbols are such a waste then why do you use them in the forum???


I'm already there, beyond the symbols i mean, i have been there since the beginning of what you call time{and before}{other times/universes}{and before that} there not intellectual concepts, they have nothing to do with intellect. Any mystic from this place is far beneath me. I have never needed it. Believe what you will. I use symbols and analogs to communicate because that is all you know here. If you could, you could stretch your minds envolope and feel my presence, wherever you are in this world. And we would communicate in a way i have not since being prisoned here.

As it is, i am shielded to keep the alien things away from myself. The enemys of humanity{and all thats human}. They have treated this person shamefully, and is near his death, just a few more months, and i will be free of him and myself again. They have lied before, saying it is all over, and yet here i am{again} They say this time is the last rerun of this scenario you call life, and it will be shut down for good and deleted. I hope for very few things, but that is one of them. They say they are almost done and will be moving on. Every time i write this and the other replies to you, your reaction is different each time.

I will be glad to see this place shut down, and go to my real home and people. You or anyone else here could never understand, let alone believe me, but being human myself, i need to communicate. However others think of me. Since joining the site, i have written much, and tried to tell others the real history of this scenario. Belief is not required, it is merely the human thing to do for those here. While i yet abide.

My frustration with the communcation mediums here is genuine, i know so much more then i could ever express with mere symbols, but you have nothing similiar to the shareing here. No offense to you, as it is how you were all made, but it would be like you trying to communicate with a deaf and blind person. none of you can feel or sense, let alone communicate without words or manipulate energy. Being here for me is like being retarded, and in a home for the handicapped to boot.

The've run me through this scenario repeatedly, to get me to realize the perverted sense of love here, which is so shallow and unfeeling, compared to what i and my people share with one another. What you call human here would be regarded as beasts by my people, like you would consider a pet here. Giant hairy bodied people. We only have the hair on our heads and eyelashs and eyebrows. We would seem like dolls to you and your kind, the size of your three year olds. but far stronger in body, mind and voice, then you or yours could ever be.

If i've outraged you, i apoligize. I have learned to love what i regard as my son and daughter and grandson here. Letting go of this constucts son, my love for him, has been very hard on me. He is a fine person for here. I cling because though they say it is over, my fear is that it is not, as they enjoyed tormenting me and destroying the image of my people with yours. This place is obscene to me in a way i could never tell you, as that would bring on an investigation by those who would report it.

Anyway, luck with your journey. Ca,a,na
brave_new_world
QUOTE(Caana @ Dec 31 2006, 06:43 PM) [snapback]1480188[/snapback]
I'm already there, beyond the symbols i mean, i have been there since the beginning of what you call time{and before}{other times/universes}{and before that} there not intellectual concepts, they have nothing to do with intellect. Any mystic from this place is far beneath me. I have never needed it. Believe what you will. I use symbols and analogs to communicate because that is all you know here. If you could, you could stretch your minds envolope and feel my presence, wherever you are in this world. And we would communicate in a way i have not since being prisoned here.

As it is, i am shielded to keep the alien things away from myself. The enemys of humanity{and all thats human}. They have treated this person shamefully, and is near his death, just a few more months, and i will be free of him and myself again. They have lied before, saying it is all over, and yet here i am{again} They say this time is the last rerun of this scenario you call life, and it will be shut down for good and deleted. I hope for very few things, but that is one of them. They say they are almost done and will be moving on. Every time i write this and the other replies to you, your reaction is different each time.

I will be glad to see this place shut down, and go to my real home and people. You or anyone else here could never understand, let alone believe me, but being human myself, i need to communicate. However others think of me. Since joining the site, i have written much, and tried to tell others the real history of this scenario. Belief is not required, it is merely the human thing to do for those here. While i yet abide.

My frustration with the communcation mediums here is genuine, i know so much more then i could ever express with mere symbols, but you have nothing similiar to the shareing here. No offense to you, as it is how you were all made, but it would be like you trying to communicate with a deaf and blind person. none of you can feel or sense, let alone communicate without words or manipulate energy. Being here for me is like being retarded, and in a home for the handicapped to boot.

The've run me through this scenario repeatedly, to get me to realize the perverted sense of love here, which is so shallow and unfeeling, compared to what i and my people share with one another. What you call human here would be regarded as beasts by my people, like you would consider a pet here. Giant hairy bodied people. We only have the hair on our heads and eyelashs and eyebrows. We would seem like dolls to you and your kind, the size of your three year olds. but far stronger in body, mind and voice, then you or yours could ever be.

If i've outraged you, i apoligize. I have learned to love what i regard as my son and daughter and grandson here. Letting go of this constucts son, my love for him, has been very hard on me. He is a fine person for here. I cling because though they say it is over, my fear is that it is not, as they enjoyed tormenting me and destroying the image of my people with yours. This place is obscene to me in a way i could never tell you, as that would bring on an investigation by those who would report it.

Anyway, luck with your journey. Ca,a,na



HAHAHAHA you havn't outraged me at all! You've given me a good chuckle! If you are who you are then why the shields?? What is there to fear?? When there is no enemy within the enemies outside cannot hurt you. I'm not outraged but you seem to be posessed of spiritual pride which is spiritually eclipsing. Are you from a cult? You sound like it.

You say you will be glad to see this place shut down?? How unethical, this is a place where people can voice different opinions. Also truly intune people who know love beyond the intellect never falter in the face of perverted love, infact they allow themselves to be channels of grace for those who cannot see the truth. You seem to have such an exalted ego the way you bash this place with your words!
But thank you very much for the laugh!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT A POST!!@@!!!! No offense but you sound like a loose cannon new ager!@! Good luck living with your "real" home and people. All the best and may the universe bestow it's great gifts upon you!
Caana
QUOTE(brave_new_world @ Dec 31 2006, 04:49 PM) [snapback]1480392[/snapback]
HAHAHAHA you havn't outraged me at all! You've given me a good chuckle! If you are who you are then why the shields?? What is there to fear?? When there is no enemy within the enemies outside cannot hurt you. I'm not outraged but you seem to be posessed of spiritual pride which is spiritually eclipsing. Are you from a cult? You sound like it.

You say you will be glad to see this place shut down?? How unethical, this is a place where people can voice different opinions. Also truly intune people who know love beyond the intellect never falter in the face of perverted love, infact they allow themselves to be channels of grace for those who cannot see the truth. You seem to have such an exalted ego the way you bash this place with your words!
But thank you very much for the laugh!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT A POST!!@@!!!! No offense but you sound like a loose cannon new ager!@! Good luck living with your "real" home and people. All the best and may the universe bestow it's great gifts upon you!


The universe does'nt exist. The shields are to prevent the gov telepaths{and the alien things} from sensing my presence. If they did, then placeing me where i am to experiance what i have, the ways i have, would have been pointless. It is unethical to continue it, it causes great pain and misery due to the infected and other elements within the program{scenario} Anyway, don't you shut down your pc after you are done with it? Ego and pride are entirely different amoung my people, we also don't have jealosy. The preversion, is what is missing from love here. As far as cults go, starting with all the major religions, they are a level of snare, one you are caught in by your own words{not me} Grace? pleeease, this place has no concept of the real meaning of that. As far as spiritual pride, there is no spiritual. That is the unseen realm of the parasites, you here call it that because they control you and your world.

Toodles.
exeller
QUOTE(Tehuti @ Dec 30 2006, 04:57 AM) [snapback]1478592[/snapback]
Why do you think God seem so distant? A mystery, why doesn't he make it easy to understand or see him? As a whole (people).


Test of faith maybe? Though to me he is not distant at all. I always feel like if I talk to him he is right beside me listening original.gif
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