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brave_new_world
According to quantum physics if particles are not observed they remain in superposition.
Lion of Judah
Theres a saying that nothings impossible you got to have a spirit and believe in yourself we are all Gods in a way cause we have freewill and can create many things.
If God was impossible then why does he care so much of his children he gave his only sons life to free us from sin?
brave_new_world
QUOTE(Lion of Judah @ Jan 22 2007, 04:21 AM) [snapback]1510487[/snapback]
Theres a saying that nothings impossible you got to have a spirit and believe in yourself we are all Gods in a way cause we have freewill and can create many things.
If God was impossible then why does he care so much of his children he gave his only sons life to free us from sin?


I disagree. I don't think Jesus was any special "Chosen one" or "exclusive son of god". Jesus is just one of many spiritual sages to walk the earth and help man in a temporal world come to understand their true nature which is infinitey. To think that God requires us to suffer for sins or that Jesus had to undergo intense atonement for all mankind is to me blasphemy against christianity.
GoddessWhispers
QUOTE(latsot @ Jan 22 2007, 05:37 AM) [snapback]1510394[/snapback]
Planes fly
Combustion engines conbust
Computers compute
Seriously, what the **** kind of example do you think could possibly be required?


Oh, I think you've shared as much as you can. Thank you. original.gif
MadMachine
Well I'd imagine that water still drowns you even if you're in a coma and nobody's there to watch you drown. If only we had some volunteers to test that idea... hmm.gif

Anyway, I'm probably way off topic. Sorry.
latsot
QUOTE(GoddessWhispers @ Jan 21 2007, 08:36 PM) [snapback]1510558[/snapback]
Oh, I think you've shared as much as you can. Thank you. original.gif


You asked for examples.

They are countless. I was amazed that anyone needed to ask. I'm equally amazed at your reaction.
GoddessWhispers
I'm amazing! wub.gif

Thanks for that. thumbsup.gif
latsot
QUOTE(brave_new_world @ Jan 21 2007, 06:51 PM) [snapback]1510446[/snapback]
My question is, is science possible without conscious minds? And also these cars and planes can we prove they exist without conscious minds to percieve them?


How is this relevant?
latsot
QUOTE(GoddessWhispers @ Jan 21 2007, 08:50 PM) [snapback]1510569[/snapback]
I'm amazing! wub.gif

Thanks for that. thumbsup.gif


Indeed so. But amazing as you are, you didn't answer the question.
GoddessWhispers
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Seriously, what the **** kind of example do you think could possibly be required?
I didn't take that as a serious question, given you had already answered my question to you, regarding sharing the examples you said you knew about. You listed 3, before the excerpt in quotes closed your reply.

That's why I said, you clearly have shared all you can. original.gif
Did you miss that? Scroll up, you'll see it there.
Desty
QUOTE(MadMachine @ Jan 19 2007, 07:42 PM) [snapback]1508576[/snapback]
Surely there are, or have been murderous, barbaric cannibals in the world who believed they were all right and good, and were just as certain in their view of good/evil as you are in yours.

I'd also imagine that believing your own view to be the correct view above all others, is a little bit foggier than accepting that you have no more proof of your correctness than the barbarian has of his.

Ok you go with the murderous, barbaric cannibals, Ill stick with my view.

Its like a car. Your neighbor frank wants to put some sand in his car instead of oil, You tell him look you idiot you put oil in cars not sand. He says why not how do you know?!
you respond, 'well you look at the manual you idiot, its right in the glove box, cars have them for this exact reason.' Frank goes into the glove compartment looks at the manual, page 4 paragraph 2 "you put oil in the car not sand." you say, see you put oil in the car not sand. He says "well its my car ill do what I want with it, you cant tell me what to do. So frank decides to pour sand into his car, instead of oil, he ruins his car.

Just like cars we all have that manual inside us telling us "dont stick the kife into your eye" or "the stoves hot dont touch it" or "dont kill your neighbor" but you will always find an idiot like frank who decides he knows better, or that hes better then morals and ethics.
hyperactive
but much like cars, the manuals are blueprints that can be refined throughout the life of the car!

You can take a stock Honda, throw 10K of aftermarket parts in it, and have it be able to challenge a porsche.

Of course, some things ruin the car, but other things improve it. How do we find what improves it? We do so by applying our skills as engineers.

We must also account for the fact that like there are many makes of cars, there are many makes of humans. While the basic prinicples remain the same, what comes out of the design studio, testing, the assembly plant, and the environemental factors (care, maintenance, etc) affect the life of the car.

Morals and ethics are codes for those that can't think freely (or are habituated/hard programmed to function within a set of parameters). They are based on what was proven successful through evolution, but are not universal. Don't believe me? Ask why killing for yourself is murder, while killing when your government orders it makes you a hero.
GoddessWhispers
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Ask why killing for yourself is murder, while killing when your government orders it makes you a hero.


Context!
linked-image I couldn't resist saying that, if you'd have bribed me with a case of double stuff Oreo's!


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brave_new_world
QUOTE(latsot @ Jan 22 2007, 06:04 AM) [snapback]1510579[/snapback]
How is this relevant?


Because how can we prove reality exists without consciousness? It only exists in so far as we are perciving it otherwise there is no way of knowing whether it is there or not. laugh.gif

Hence how can we know whether planes or cars are still functioning in order as you seem to think?
makesyouwonder
Where God Sits!

By: Makes You Wonder


It darkens my heart to see those that have been pushed aside. No matter what race or nationality we all come from we are all brother and sister in some long distant pool of humanity. We all have the ability to beleive in anything we wish that is the one gift we each have. You can reach into your hearts and take out the things you feel not worthy of your own beleifs. No matter how old you should ever become childish tendencies will always emerge from within thought to crap out the least of any beleif with no true evidence in hand.
That hand is going to become mighty damn hot in HELL dont save my seat I would rather place my bet on GOD and what have I got to loose if I am dead ?
brave_new_world
To think God is gonna forsake us in some hell after judgement day or whatever is a blasphemy against God. I am christian but a very liberal christian. I think you need tocheck some buddhism out and broaden your horizens. w00t.gif
MUM24/7
QUOTE(brave_new_world @ Jan 22 2007, 06:54 PM) [snapback]1511053[/snapback]
To think God is gonna forsake us in some hell after judgement day or whatever is a blasphemy against God. I am christian but a very liberal christian. I think you need tocheck some buddhism out and broaden your horizens. w00t.gif


Hi there...... And I think you need to get out more !! There's life outside your bedroom door you know ! wink2.gif wink2.gif
Desty
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Jan 21 2007, 08:05 PM) [snapback]1510927[/snapback]
but much like cars, the manuals are blueprints that can be refined throughout the life of the car!

You can take a stock Honda, throw 10K of aftermarket parts in it, and have it be able to challenge a porsche.

Of course, some things ruin the car, but other things improve it. How do we find what improves it? We do so by applying our skills as engineers.

We must also account for the fact that like there are many makes of cars, there are many makes of humans. While the basic prinicples remain the same, what comes out of the design studio, testing, the assembly plant, and the environemental factors (care, maintenance, etc) affect the life of the car.

Morals and ethics are codes for those that can't think freely (or are habituated/hard programmed to function within a set of parameters). They are based on what was proven successful through evolution, but are not universal. Don't believe me? Ask why killing for yourself is murder, while killing when your government orders it makes you a hero.

you thought all the angles through?

Killing yourself is murder, while killing when your government orders it makes you a hero. Ask any soldier who fought in any war and killed someone. They know it was wrong, most of the time they have life long nightmares, which include the face of their victim, whom they will never forget, Like i said Im talking about internal affairs, not external. In the end murder is wrong, the individual knows it. Although if someone was trying to murder you and you had to kill them in self defence, im sure you would feel guilty but natural human instincts program us to survive. Therefore ultimately it would not be wrong, in that you saved a life, just as wars are fought for freedom or defence (or perhaps even petty political issues but im not talking about those)

Was it right for 9-11 to happen? no. Was it right we went to war to stop them from doing it again? absolutely.
brave_new_world
QUOTE(Desty @ Jan 24 2007, 06:39 AM) [snapback]1512995[/snapback]
you thought all the angles through?

Killing yourself is murder, while killing when your government orders it makes you a hero. Ask any soldier who fought in any war and killed someone. They know it was wrong, most of the time they have life long nightmares, which include the face of their victim, whom they will never forget, Like i said Im talking about internal affairs, not external. In the end murder is wrong, the individual knows it. Although if someone was trying to murder you and you had to kill them in self defence, im sure you would feel guilty but natural human instincts program us to survive. Therefore ultimately it would not be wrong, in that you saved a life, just as wars are fought for freedom or defence (or perhaps even petty political issues but im not talking about those)

Was it right for 9-11 to happen? no. Was it right we went to war to stop them from doing it again? absolutely.


But there is no hard evidence that the alqueda have anything to do with 9/11 and you don't go to war with a country because a supposed terrorist group came from there. That would be like the world going to war with america because of timothy mcveigh(not that there is any hard evidence that he commited his act of terrorism either).
GoddessWhispers
QUOTE(Desty @ Jan 24 2007, 09:39 AM) [snapback]1512995[/snapback]
Was it right for 9-11 to happen? no. Was it right we went to war to stop them from doing it again? absolutely.



It's important that, when you go to war against an enemy in revenge for something like 911, that you have the right target. The guilty party, in your sights. Did we, when we invaded Iraq? No. The evidence shows Saddam H. had nothing to do with orchestrating 911. Osama Bin's family was in America at the time of 911, and when all air travel was suspended, they were allowed to fly out. Why? Their blood hostages. Zealot muslims might relish the notion of Martyrdom, but when you put Osama's sister on Afghani TV and cut her head off , it tends to send a message far more than any yellow ribbon magnets can do, regarding support for our national defense. Then , after the sister, you start with the rest of the family. Day at a time. Yes, you'll run out of them sooner or later. But when you deliver their heads on an air transport, into those mountains of Afghanistan, tossing them at low altitude, to the sands below, to be found by scouts, it certainly communicates a wide and clear message: You f**ked with the wrong country, towel boy!

But you see, Osama was our agent. He was educated in the best schools, trained by our special forces to fight the Russians during their invasion of Afghanistan. So, when our traitor in office stands on 912 and says the reason those that boarded those planes and slaughtered our innocent civilians, did so was because they hated us for our freedom, you have to ask yourself is it wise then to surrender your freedoms to keep you safe from their attacking again!? Absolutely not! But we have, because corrupt politicians rolled on their back and exposed their bellies and genitals, to a razor toothed enemy, that now has accomplished what they set out to do in the first place. Those abroad and those ensconced in the halls of power right here. They made us afraid to keep our freedoms in tact.
latsot
QUOTE(GoddessWhispers @ Jan 21 2007, 09:47 PM) [snapback]1510613[/snapback]
That's why I said, you clearly have shared all you can. original.gif


But why is that clear?

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Did you miss that? Scroll up, you'll see it there.


I didn't miss it. It just didn't make any sense.
GoddessWhispers
A shameless bump. tongue.gif
Reality Shift believer
Going back to the god thing. God exists, but not perfect. Therefore He can be human. He can choose when to exist as an energy and a human. Right now at this very second, god is human. If he had the ability to choose, he'd choose a life in which everything goes his way, very similar to mine and that he would look good, similar to me, and would be very intelligent, like me and I can't be changed by anyone due to peer pressure, I am only open to suggestion. the truth, I think I know all the answers and truths about God! And if there is such a thing as a sin, I would have been cursed a long time ago for even claiming he was me. Nope, no curse. What does that tell you!
As a matter of fact when I claimed that I was him, I eventually had my Bipolar disappear! And I placed a curse on myself that is called probability manipulation. Everything that I expect does not happen, but with some limitations. At a young age, If that curse wasn't in place, my bipolar would have destroyed everyone! Now because of my existence as human, my power has greatly been reduced, which is why drug abuse, bad minds and things began to increase. This is just a theory!
zimbob
Nothing is impossible original.gif You can have things that are unlikely or improbable but impossible is absolute.

For example theorists say travelling Faster than light is impossible but I bet you some clever future Einstein or Tesla works out how it can be achieved! yes.gif
latsot
QUOTE(zimbob @ Jan 28 2007, 03:28 AM) [snapback]1519118[/snapback]
Nothing is impossible original.gif You can have things that are unlikely or improbable but impossible is absolute.

For example theorists say travelling Faster than light is impossible but I bet you some clever future Einstein or Tesla works out how it can be achieved! yes.gif


I'd be happy to take that bet.
LogicalPiccolo
QUOTE(JeremiahGateFan @ Jan 3 2007, 07:13 AM) [snapback]1484504[/snapback]
If there is no God, answer this: Why is there something, instead of nothing? Science can't explain itself but God can. I hate all these know it all atheists who think their smarter than theists.


And I would also like to say...

Well I'm confused about what I want to say...

But I THINK what I want to say, is it is incredibly ignorant and arrogant of you to barge into a forum of strangers, attempting to somehow have an open-minded and friendly debate of vastly expanding views, and not only start claiming facts to things you probably know less about than any average church going Christian; but dare to so boldly state you hate ANYONE. Are you truly, and HONESTLY, going to tell me you believe in God, but you saw fit to tramp in here and start insulting people? Did you feel, justified doing that?

Because I really have to say...as a modern believer, it is hard enough for me to have my own beliefs in society outside of the internet, especially among people my own age, without being laughed at, called foolish, or just flat out be flooded with anger and called a liar for believing in God. And it is, I'm terribly sorry to say, believers like YOU, who makes that very quest hard on the rest of us.

I hope you learn better later on as your days flood you with disappointment. I would like to say, myself and myself alone, if you truly believe in God, in ANY sort of similar way that I do...you will not have peace with yourself or God until you can learn to accept people for who they are, and let it be at that. After all, you should know as well as ANY believer...it is the will of God that judges, NOT the will of man.

Again, I'd like to point out to the rest of the forum going crew, this is the believer in me speaking to another one. And for the love of pete, I'm not trying to open up another can of worms tongue.gif There is more to my believing than most. I'm up for any debate original.gif
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