JUST RECENTLY, A RELATIVE TOLD ME A DESPARATE SITUATION THAT HE FELT NO ONE CAN HELP HIM WITH BUT NEEDED TO SHARE WITH SOMEBODY THAT WILL NOT GET TOO INVOLVED WITH...HE STATES "IT'S MORE THAN INSANITY...I SIT IN MY BOARDING ROOM, THINK TO MYSELF, AND SOME SMARTA3S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ANSWERS BACK WITH SOME SMARTA3S ANSWER...I'M AFRAID TO PRAY, IT SEEMS IT WOULD BE TO THE WRONG GOD...I TALK BACK TO THE TV AND RADIO ONLY LEARNING THAT I'M NOT DEAF AND CAN READ LIPS...I LIP AT WORK AS SOMEONE "IN THE BACK" REPEATS IT OR HARASSES ME...AND LIKE THOSE OTHER "FLAKE-OS", THESE MEDIA FORCES OR VOICES TEND TO HARASS ME AS MY ENEMIES, PAST FRIENDS, OR FAMILY"...HE DOESN'T WANT TO LOSE HIS JOB OR GET WRITTEN OFF AS A MENTALLY-ILL...HE SWEARS IT'S HAPPENING AND FEARS IT'S AN SUPERNATURAL FORCE OR THE DEVIL HIMSELF...I BELIEVE HIM, SOMETHING IS UNRAVELING HIM...HE'S NOT A LIAR AND IS ONLY FEELING DEPRESSED AND DRAINED BY THESE EVENTS ONLY...COULD SOME PSYCHIC PHENOMENA GROUP OR DEMONIC FORCE REALLY BE TORMENTING HIM?..[BESIDES SUGGESTING A SHRINK OR A PRIEST HOUSE BLESSING]

I would recommend he go and see a doctor actually, anything else is folly and potentially dangerous.

Mattshark is right.....he should tell these things to a doctor before anything else is done.

no this is written in time, only way out is writing backwards like thinking of the past as changing then how they seem.

anything is possible but you dont want it to be.

BUMHAWK, please do not type your entire post entirely in capitals as it is poor forum etiquette and gives the impression that you are shouting.

what the hell does that even mean? (anyone else understand this guy?)

To the OP i also suggest a doctor, it could be some demonic force or other phenomenon but its always best to rule out mental health or other more probable causes first, if the doctor doesnt find anything wrong with him then i suggest finding someone to do some kind of blessing or exorcism or energy sponging or something like that, but see if its something medical first

Yea its a demon or as they say now a psychosis. Get him to a doctor before he hurts himself or more like he hurts someone else.

!KO




To the original poster-- Not psychotic or demonic? that leaves nothing else- nothing changes the human personality but the two.

First rule out schizophrenia-- the best way to tell if demonic is confront them with a crucifix, but I wouldnt recommend it without a priest.

LOL! thought that one was just me having a looong day!!

That is dangerous and misguided and against all recomendation. There is no evidence of demons or demonic possetion, there is however plenty for mental illness.

Thats a very good point Mattshark although I wouldn't consider it dangerous since demons are non-existent therefore cannot be dangerous,,,,,,

but even if it is a mental illness aproaching him like that could trigger something in his mind and cause him to get violent, just bring him to a doctor before trying anything else

Well, it either sounds like he's going through some mental illness, or he has a spirit attachment.

The guy needs to be seen immediately-- It's apparent he's ( definately psychotic), there is no question about that-

When he starts reading minds, moving objects, levitating, and smelling like a wet dog drenched in cheap perfume then Ill assume "spirit attachment!"

That's not what a spirit attachment is at all... It's not a good thing. It means a spirit has entered your energy field, can affect your emotions and thoughts, and draw off your energy.

There is absolutely no evidence for this either. Things like this are dangerous to a mental ill paitent and can lead to them not recieving the correct treatment and these unfounded ideas can cause further problems.

Lol, more refering to the possibility that this could make it worse by inducing more mental fatigue on the paitent or making them believe they are possessed and refusing proper treatment.

Psychotic outbreak during a manic episode..

edit*on a side note, not really part of my response, because I am not biased with what is presented here goes the crazy talk! ....to attatch demons to this and only consider them to be of a bad nature is a false thought process. Some are present to eek out the impurities of some people.

THIS DEFINITLY GOT BLOWN OUT...I MEAN, I SAT IN HIS ROOM AND HEARD THE NEIGHBORS TOO AND HAD TO "RIP" THE IDEA THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN EVESDROPPING UNTIL IT SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS "MOCKING" OUR MOVEMENTS NOT JUST OUR TALK... HE SAYS IT'S GETTING -LOUDER-...MAYBE, LIKE MOST SAID, THESE EVENTS COULD BE BREAKING HIM INTO MENTAL DELUSIONS[?], BUT I FOR ONE WOULDN'T KNOW HOW A SHRINK COULD HELP HIM BELIEVING "DOPING" HIM UP IS GOING TO MAKE IT GO AWAY...THAT'S LIKE THE OPPOSITE OF TELLING HIM TO DRINK OR JUNK DOPE ALL THE TIME SO HE CAN LEARN TO LIVE WITH THIS TO "BURN" THEM OR IT BACK...IF HE'S NOT HOLY AND THIS PROBLEM FOLLOWED HIM THERE, THERE'S NO USE IN MOVING AGAIN...I THOUGHT MAYBE SOMEONE OUT THERE HAD HEARD OF A SIMULAR PROBLEM ADDRESSED IN SOME UNEXPLAINABLE WAY THAT WORKED [ OR GOD FORBID DIDN'T WORK]... ...........{I TYPE ONE FINGER METHOD WHICH IS WHY CAPS ARE USED TO AVOID SHIFTING ALL THE TIME}

I totally agree with Heru, this is the starting signs of somthing very powerful, and it will only get much worse in time...have him to a doctor immediatly, and then possibly a priest.

Why is it whenever something like this comes up people don't stop to think that this could be something other than a certain sickness. I mean why do people have to be so closed minded about this kind of stuff and say have him go see a doctor so that he can be proscribe meds to be shoved down his throut and like magic it all will go away. Seriously this guy could actually have a demonic presence bugging him. You know stuffing pills down somebodies throut day by day sometimes isn't the best thing for the person. It can actually make things worse then they already are. Medication can do that you know. And if you don't believe me look it up on the net.

*and the internet is NOT where one should gain their internal knowlege

so do i, but i just rarely use shift at all...

ive experienced similar things experimenting with a drug called salvia. my friends would talk to me, from what i could comprehend at the time of the experience, and they sounded normal as normal can be, but at the same time the voices on the TV were being hijacked and the narrarator of animal planet started making fun of me and talking to me indirectly and directly. I watched my old girlfriend go through the same experience. she barely remembers, but i watched her talk back to the tv. referring to me. because whoever/whatever was saying i was something holding her back from the direction they wanted her to go. This same event happend to my best friend. All three situations reported a hijacking of the tv and the entity talking was rude and antagonistic. alot like what was just described

now i will say this. i think alot of the people who post in the experience sections and other sections talking about demons and crap are just aholes who get off on pissing on the collective onconscious. they might even be the same ahole reregistering just to mess with peoples heads or express their artistic talents. i am not one of them, and this guy im responding to could be, but my story is legit.

it was the single freakiest moment in my life and i dont reccomend anyone opening that gateway and smoking salvia... at least not around a tv or any other electrical waves that might be able to be hijacked. like i said my friend was talking to me loud and clear, and so was the tv. one made sane. the other confused me.

from that moment on i believed there are forces that exist on top of us or with is. they may be interdimensional, they may be material, or deeply psychological. i dont know. i dont even like to think about it. they can stay away from me.

after i experienced this experience, i felt what i call now "spiritually naked". like the friend bumhawk mentioned i didnt know where to turn. my nights alone seemed to turn into something that i see in alot of metal band lyrics like alice in chains: "scaries on the wall." sessions of intense terror. i could manifest it into visuals if i chose to but that sh** scared me. so i ignored it and scambled for protection(god). Some nights when was stressed or emotionally tired from a fight with my girlfriend i could feel this presence coming from a distance bringing this feeling of terror. like i said, i got rid of the visuals through focus and bravery, and not fooling with them. but even with the visuals(shadows, distortions,) gone, the feeling still came and manifested itself in other ways... which seemed like pure energy that translated into terror. i would even have dreams that this feeling was coming. it came closer and then it hit me in my dream state. woke up in sleep paralysis scared but understanding my situation and brave and forced my way out of it cursing the ahole or entity thats doing this to me. i just want to sleep.

i could talk about this forever, but i will skip alot and say that this started happening to me after an experience that seems similar to the story above, and i was active about 911 conspiracy and illuminati stuff. border line crazy anyway chasing those rabbits. i would talk and post and honestly feel that protection from god was not with me, nor gods will, and i was targeted by whatever.

so i stopped posting about 911 and started my jouney to find god from the inside out. so i had his will and his protection from these states of terror and any other unseen entities that think i believe exist.

i dont get visits from this "terror state" whatever it is anymore. sometimes when i drink for days straight and ignore my heart of hearts i can feel something(not good) following me, but i pray, and man up, and i am left alone

hope this crude testimony helps

Try getting a hold of a witchdoctor, or go to a catholic priest. Depending on which you are comfortable with. I still think going to a regular doctor would be a good idea, though I wouldn't go to one who is going to jump to the conclusion of sedatives (medications), or having him commmitted.

He apparently didn't tell you how to turn off caps lock ether.

adbox, salvia is like an unpurified form of DMT. if you had smoked DMT, your mind would have been on a whole other planet. i think everyone should smoke that once in their life as a religious experience. (and no i have not ever done DMT, but i know some people who have)

Are these drugs...DMT, and salva like a form of acid or somthing... how do they affect you? Do you know before you use them that you will have experiences.


~j

Haaa that all seeing eye above as that avatar reminds me of something! LOL! <-yes, I meant to laugh and shout.

ok i can agree it changed my life for what i hope is the better. but i stress that if you do try that particular drug, turn your TV and radio off and have a friend and do ALOT of experience report research. Even if you read reports like mine all day there is no way you would be prepared for th real thing. talking about it (2 yrs later) still disturbs me and my experience wasnt even a 'bad' experience. just intense and reality altering beyond anything i have ever experienced. but no TV no Radio. no entity can hijack your friend.

there is something behind the curtains that we cant comprehend. some drugs, such as salvia, dmt, and high doses of lsd &mushrooms can open the door for these things to talk to you, help you, decieve/lie to you, use you, change you in ways, play tricks, anything.

i say leave them alone in general unless you are protected and have an agenda. using drugs to build your godhead can be verry dangerious. it expediates the process. its like cheating. you need to develop alot more that your godhead and i feel life is specifically designed to slowly grow all aspects of your being naturally.

The most important thing to develop is your heart. T t T t T t. weilding a fat godhead is easier than learning to bear your cross.play this game out of order you could ruin your full potential as a human being.

i know alot of that sounds spaced and crazy but its the best i can do at trying to describe this stuff with words right now.

THANKS FOR EVERYONE'S HELP...MAYBE PEOPLE CAN REALIZE THAT THEY'RE NOT ALONE WITH SIMULAR EXPERIENCES AND HOW OTHERS CAN INTER-RELATE...TOO BAD I DON'T HAVE THE HEART TO SHOW MY RELATIVE THIS SIGHT TO AVOID EMBARRASSMENT, BETRAYAL, AND DISTRUST...I NEVER HEARD OF DMT, YET I STOPPED "SMOKING" YEARS AGO...I WOULD LIKE TO TRY IT MYSELF [COMPUTER COPS?]...WE'LL JUST HAVE TO WAIT TO SEE IF THIS EVENT FADES AWAY...SUPPOSELY IT MUST MOVE ALONG ELSEWHERE...

i have a friend on anti psychotics and she never talks just sits in her head. hangs out all the time but you have to drill convo out of her. my old girfriends aunt is a loon and got swept away in this stuff(god+being tru hippie). now she is on drugs and she is unhappy as unhappy comes and will tell you that she hates her situation.

i dont believe drugs are the answer to anything. love companionship and agenda based rehabilitation should be able to fix anyone. one of the greatest problems that encourages insanity is the inabillity to control the mind/thought process. its too fast. to dissasoiated in thought. unable to stop it.

the answer is silence. not erasing thoughts because that is impossible and will just further insanity. but through practice and disipline, concentrating on slowing down the process. your mind will fight you but faith and being calm will work your mind down. your will is clear and you are not trying too hard but calmly trying. do this all the time. in the middle of the day. at night before sleep. understand that you will fail almost everytime. but notice that you get better at calming yourself with every attempt. some call this meditation. some call it learning to listen. i promise it will preserve sanity though. ive seen the edges of sanity in a softcore way. enough to study it. man up. and learn about it.

also another theory. the mind is powerful. we know that. visuals can be manifested in a disassoiciated(spspsp) state of thought. all they are is energy being manefiested into your minds eye. pay no attention to your energy's and imagination's manefestation. clost your eyes and focus.

the real tool is knowing and trusting that if you just trust in god you will be ok. that your existance here is not suposed to be one of metaphysical supernatural torture and neglect, that this is all a game being played through your mind. you are only vulnerable to the gateways you alow to open on yourself. god is that solid direction. put your trust in him and he will be your security icon. it works.

talking about this yesterday made me really uneasy, and when i went to bed i woke up at 4 to that 'terror' feeling again. it was weak in comparrison to what it was back in the day, buti was scared and half awake half asleep. i prayed and the energy didnt grow, but slowly subsided as i tried to rationalize my situation.

ok ill keep talking. it was crazy bc in my dream im in some random vacation home. i feel compelled to walk over to a coffee table where there is a ink bottle and quill and piece of paper. the paper stated "is this a dream?" and suggested my to pen in the answer. feeling this was a game from the bad energy and starting to feel the energy, i started to right 'both' or something and then i(in my dream and in my bed) nuroticly laughed out loud and kicked my feat. then i jumped out of my dream and realized that i did this in my bed for real (kicked and laughed) and was highly disturbed because i felt this was outside of my nature, highly nurrotic and out of place. then awake i endured the bad energy and looked to god for anwers and with prayers which helped calm me tremendously and prevented the bad energy(sense of terror) from growing.


crazy talk i know.

Sorry but the net is a hive of misinfomation and nonsense. He should see a doctor anything else is dangerous and is likely to make things worse. Even the Catholic church agrees with this.

Demons are just what psychological illness was called before it was properly reasearched, there is no evidence of such thing and it could quite easily make the paranoia worse.

i agree

i agree as well.

there are alternate ways of handling psychosis besides drugs that severly cripple the personality. or asylums that ensure dissassociation.

Its sad that they throw drugs at people instead of fixing the problem. I think I can safely say that everyone here is recomending a doctor as in a psychologist not a doctor to give out drugs. And as long as hes not a danger to himself or anyone else they wont commit him to an asylum.

true...but they see this type of affliction almost everyday. It is simple minded to think they would not prescribe medications to the person, because sadly they would.

Look. If someone is feeling OUT of their mind, and want it back.. meds DO help this. And conversely if they WANT to feel out of their mind, then don't go to the doctor! Why is this a debate? The dude said he was going to let things be and ride it out.

The brain takes about three weeks to calm* down after an episode like this if it interests anyone.

Bumhawk, how old is your friend? and has he had a crisis in his life recently: divorce, death in his family, a loss or accident? and one last question: Does he seem visibly depressed to you?

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~ Isis

Ask this person how does he pray, if he is afraid to like you said, to pray to the wrong ne. i went through that myself at a young age,. its called confusion. and as in scripture the tower of babylon fell due to the corruption that dwelled there and refused god. babylon will always refer to confuxsion, the devl wants him to be confused . he knows the bible too,. he lies , takes out and sets confusion amunst all religions because he doesnt want you or him to know anything about god,.. satan is a busy boy and the father of a lie , responsible for murder and original sin such as our first parent adam and eve.

Is there a holy bible in the house, king james version or a world translation . you want one that refers to the jewish original language in hebrew before the greek language revised the completed books of the bible.

if there isnot bible ,..get one

Pray together , in scripture, where two or more are gathered together in his name there so will gad , the father, the creator , jehovah will be in the midst of them with holy spirit ,

sincerity,....How sincere does this person beleive ? Where are there faith levels at? we are all on diverent spiritual levels when we choose to worship god and we read the the letter he gave to us to go by whatever mankind is capable through profound and genuime heart. God see ones heart. If they realy dont believe ,.. or have a genuine love for god,.. today would be the time . to start,
yes take him to the doctor as well. get him checked out. medically there could just be a logicaly reason why. and a temporary symton.
by the evil but delivered out. pray for the power of the kingdoma glory gods glory forever and ever IN THE NAME OF HIS SON CHRIST JESUS

AMEN.

BIBLEBILE

The name alone Jehovah makes demons tremble in fear. that is why when reading of angels singing , the book of moses , ekiekle and isaih ,job and revalation angels worship god and it pleases him to have his creations to willfully choose to sincerlyworship him. Now he knows we are not perfect, the justicifcation for the exhistance of hateful demons flying about and in the earth with satan . are disembodied trying to escape the deluge some did were able to manifest and maerilized afterward. but if do not see them but the presence of wickedness is causing the effects of,.. confusion and taunting or summoning the victim will remain their ,.. even the angles trembe when the hear the name of god , all togetherand flee . they are a invisable spirit creature .
Sy the prayer toghether out loud join hands . In the book of luke . take it read it that is the model prayer which shouldnt always be the same. but it mentions glorifying Gods name exalting him up , You can even pray to God as the Father, just like jesus did. give him thanks , ask for forgivness , ask him for mercy and for the holy spirit be among this young man. pray for the ability to draw strength that is beyond normal in order for power of holy spirit guidence pray that the heart of the young man still has refuge . in gods eyes and for healing , When hallowing exhaulting Fathers name " Jehovah" pray in recognizing that by exhaulting him up and state that God Kingdom will come. food be blessed and thank for the spiritual modifications that will put in as form of manna forgiving others ourselves. asking that we do not be tempted by the evil but delivered out. pray for the power of the kingdoma glory gods glory forever and ever IN THE NAME OF HIS SON CHRIST JESUS

"AMEN"

read the bible its in there its up to you to know the message . i could be lying . i have no time for reffrences
post , yes i could delete it the whole post. something stopsd me from even the most remeote chance this can help but please make it a serious item to have and to not be taken for granted. if all goes well
then recognize the answered prayer . can you even phathomn the fact that it was answered, but no cared enough to say thanks we recognize the works envolved and show your gratiude.


who am i thought that is my point its in the bible

Now can someone throw a tarp over me now im wiped out ,lol i cant speak

I reccomend seeing a phyciatrist. Then he needs some therapy. Well, has he done anything bad lately?

go and see a phychic, if the psychic goes nuts and starts saying theres something evil about him, then obiviously he has problems , i say pray, have faith and pray

OK, let's see...

thought disorder YES
hallucinations YES
delusions YES
social withdrawal YES
other symptoms? POSSIBLY

Seriously, your friend needs to see a psychiatrist IMMEDIATELY (I believe, in this situation, a psychologist will refer them anyway)

(NB: If your friend takes drugs, then that is a likely explanation for these experiences. the doc will be able to determine this)

WE TURNED AGAINST A PSYCHOLOGIST AFTERALL...SINCE MADE AWARE OF THESE SITUATIONS MYSELF, I'VE NOTICED THERE'S ALOT OF CRAZY BEHAVIOR OUT THERE...WHETHER IT'S LIPPING LIKE A DEAF MUTE [EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK], DISORDERLY SOUNDOFFS [HARASSMENT], OR OTHER STRESS RELATED DEPRESSIONS [CRYING OUT LOUD] , MODERN SOCIETY DOESN'T REALLY LOOK RAPPED TOO TIGHT TO BEGIN WITH...AS FOR BEING DEMONIZED BY "VOICES" OR OTHER MEANS, THERAPY OR DRUGS COULD HELP BUT IT'S LIKE SIGNING YOUR LIFE AWAY BEING LABLED AN NUT CASE...I GUESS THIS IS SOMETHING HE AND EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO LEARN TO LIVE WITH...[ I STILL WOULD PRESUME THAT SOMETHING SUPERNATURAL COULD BE TORMENTING HIM WITHOUT A RELIGIOUS OR PSYCHIATRIST SOLUTION]...

Does he have any of the normal signs for schizophrenia?

People diagnosed with schizophrenia usually experience a combination of positive (i.e. hallucinations, delusions, racing thoughts), negative (i.e. apathy, lack of emotion, poor or nonexistent social functioning), and cognitive (disorganized thoughts, difficulty concentrating and/or following instructions, difficulty completing tasks, memory problems?)

The first step in getting treatment for schizophrenia is getting a correct diagnosis. This is important to do quickly because research has shown that the sooner you get diagnosed and treated, the better the long-term outcome.

When the medical option has been ruled out by a qualified Dr you can then concentrate on any other contributing factors, may I suggest a good course of action would be to remove him from the property in question as it seems to be the origin of the problem, do you know the houses history?
It could even be his neighbours playing a nasty practical joke!

Kind Regards

Jim

I say this seems .....like there is something bothering him...there most be soemthing he saw or did to cause it.....or even watched on TV ...but his best bet is to ask god call him by name .....(his name is not god)...and ask him to make the demons leave him alone...u must rebuke him ...I know this works cause I watched my granny get attacted by a demon and ...yahuwa is the only this that will stop him...now I aint forcein my religion on u ..cause I have no one reliogion but I know how all this stuff works...u may also want to tell him to mimorize a bible verse and everytime this happenes to say it over and over....this should work...now this also could make it worse depending on the demon ur messin with...if this happenes then there is somethin unclean he is doin or watchin or soemthin ...he most figuare ou what it is and then he has to stop doin it and then rebuke the demons again....now ....it could be as simple as him goin into a house wit demons and one gettinon his shirt. a demon can ride on anythin......so ..if thats the case then he has to find that object and throw it away