truethat
Jan 5 2007, 06:14 AM
SilverCougar
Jan 5 2007, 06:45 AM
That is soooo a basking or a whale shark
carini
Jan 5 2007, 07:35 AM
It's probably this like the guy posted under the video. Definitely isnt a whale shark or basking shark.
http://psrc.mlml.calstate.edu/elamon_may05.htm
SilverCougar
Jan 5 2007, 08:24 AM
Sleeper shark? oo I did not know about them! *ques the more you know music*
Clobhair-cean
Jan 5 2007, 08:36 AM
Yep, its a sleeper... Watch BBC's Blue planet, it has is some rather good footage about one of them.
Jack Black
Jan 5 2007, 08:53 AM
What ever it is it's big!
Atheist God
Jan 5 2007, 09:20 AM
Jesus Christ!!!!! that thing is the largest shark i have ever seen.
Why is it everything in Japan is always bigger? except the people of course they're tiny....
As to what type of shark it is i'm not sure it is either a previously undiscovered species or possibly a megalodon. What tells me this is not the peaceful shrimp eating whale shark is the head. Judging by it's mouth it clearly has a massive bite
Bone_Collector
Jan 5 2007, 10:49 AM
Looks big from a cloose up shot; can't really estimate its size accurately from that footage.
Clobhair-cean
Jan 5 2007, 11:21 AM
QUOTE(Bone_Collector @ Jan 5 2007, 11:49 AM) [snapback]1487744[/snapback]
Looks big from a cloose up shot; can't really estimate its size accurately from that footage.
Sleepers are big, they can grow up to 7 meters...
Mattshark
Jan 5 2007, 12:54 PM
QUOTE(Clobhair-cean @ Jan 5 2007, 12:21 PM) [snapback]1487768[/snapback]
Sleepers are big, they can grow up to 7 meters...
Yep, they are the biggest of the dogfish sharks.
It is not like megaladon at all, which would a like an oversized great white, it was in water too deep for basking, whale sharks.
caboose :)
Jan 5 2007, 01:10 PM
no way, megladon that thing that went extinct millions of years ago. it aint on no tape.
capeo
Jan 5 2007, 02:36 PM
It's a Pacific Sleeper Shark. This video's been all over.
Aztec Warrior
Jan 5 2007, 02:45 PM
QUOTE(Clobhair-cean @ Jan 5 2007, 05:21 AM) [snapback]1487768[/snapback]
Sleepers are big, they can grow up to 7 meters...
QUOTE(Mattshark @ Jan 5 2007, 06:54 AM) [snapback]1487836[/snapback]
Yep, they are the biggest of the dogfish sharks.
It is not like megaladon at all, which would a like an oversized great white, it was in water too deep for basking, whale sharks.
Using the cage to judge the size of this beastie.....it must be 20-25 meters long. Isn't that too big for a whale shark? And don't they live in deeper water. Hard to believe its a meg though.
Clobhair-cean
Jan 5 2007, 02:49 PM
QUOTE(Aztec Warrior @ Jan 5 2007, 03:45 PM) [snapback]1487957[/snapback]
Using the cage to judge the size of this beastie.....it must be 20-25 meters long. Isn't that too big for a whale shark? And don't they live in deeper water. Hard to believe its a meg though.
How do you know the size of the cage?
The Silver Thong
Jan 5 2007, 03:04 PM
There's no way that shark is 20-25 metre's long. It is big howerver and deffinitly has the jaws that would make me run on water. I would agree sleeper shark.
Aztec Warrior
Jan 5 2007, 03:05 PM
QUOTE(Clobhair-cean @ Jan 5 2007, 08:49 AM) [snapback]1487961[/snapback]
How do you know the size of the cage?

I looks like an ordinary crab cage. They tend to be about 2 or 3 meters across. And the other sharks are proportional.
Mattshark
Jan 5 2007, 03:21 PM
QUOTE(Clobhair-cean @ Jan 5 2007, 03:49 PM) [snapback]1487961[/snapback]
How do you know the size of the cage?

Exactly, that is no shark cage, it is smaller than that, Even a shark cage is just over 2m. Aztec, they are just sleeper sharks, I know what a sleeper shark looks like (Also known as greenland sharks).
Aztec Warrior
Jan 5 2007, 03:31 PM
QUOTE(Mattshark @ Jan 5 2007, 09:21 AM) [snapback]1488015[/snapback]
Exactly, that is no shark cage, it is smaller than that, Even a shark cage is just over 2m. Aztec, they are just sleeper sharks, I know what a sleeper shark looks like (Also known as greenland sharks).
Yeah, your probably right.
truethat
Jan 5 2007, 03:34 PM
No no no You are ruining my thread. Its a monster.....
Mattshark
Jan 5 2007, 03:44 PM
QUOTE(truethat @ Jan 5 2007, 04:34 PM) [snapback]1488039[/snapback]
No no no You are ruining my thread. Its a monster.....
Sorry.
Aztec Warrior
Jan 5 2007, 03:44 PM
It has five large pairs of gills. Two small eyes are located towards the front of the shark's wide, flat head. The body is mostly grey with a white belly; three prominent ridges run along each side of the animal and the skin is marked with a 'checkerboard' of pale yellow spots and stripes.

I don't believe the specimen in the video had these colors.
The largest specimen regarded as accurately recorded was caught on November 11, 1947, near the island of Baba, not far from Karachi, Pakistan. It was 12.65 m (41.5 ft) long, weighed more than 21.5 tons (47,300 lb), and had a girth of 7 m (23 ft).[4] Stories exist of vastly larger specimens - Quoted lengths of 18 m (59 ft) are not uncommon in the popular shark literature - but no scientific records exist to support their existence.
There have even been claims of whale sharks of up to 23 m (75 ft). In 1934 a ship named the "Maurguani" came across a whale shark in the Southern Pacific ocean, rammed it, and the shark consequently became stuck on the prow of the ship, supposedly with 4.6 m (15 ft) on one side and 12.2 m (40 ft) on the other.[5] No reliable documentation exists of those claims and they remain little more than "fish-stories".
source
Mattshark
Jan 5 2007, 03:49 PM
QUOTE(Aztec Warrior @ Jan 5 2007, 04:44 PM) [snapback]1488061[/snapback]
It has five large pairs of gills. Two small eyes are located towards the front of the shark's wide, flat head. The body is mostly grey with a white belly; three prominent ridges run along each side of the animal and the skin is marked with a 'checkerboard' of pale yellow spots and stripes.

I don't believe the specimen in the video had these colors.
The largest specimen regarded as accurately recorded was caught on November 11, 1947, near the island of Baba, not far from Karachi, Pakistan. It was 12.65 m (41.5 ft) long, weighed more than 21.5 tons (47,300 lb), and had a girth of 7 m (23 ft).[4] Stories exist of vastly larger specimens - Quoted lengths of 18 m (59 ft) are not uncommon in the popular shark literature - but no scientific records exist to support their existence.
There have even been claims of whale sharks of up to 23 m (75 ft). In 1934 a ship named the "Maurguani" came across a whale shark in the Southern Pacific ocean, rammed it, and the shark consequently became stuck on the prow of the ship, supposedly with 4.6 m (15 ft) on one side and 12.2 m (40 ft) on the other.[5] No reliable documentation exists of those claims and they remain little more than "fish-stories".
sourceI know for sure that it is a sleeper, trust me, I know me sharkies.
Aztec Warrior
Jan 5 2007, 03:53 PM
Could be a greenland shark, like Matt said. The colors are similiar, but it seems to small.

Greenland sharks are deep-water sharks, living at depths up to 2,000 m (1.24 mi). A 7.3 m (24 ft) specimen is frequently mentioned in the literature, and has come to be accepted as a general maximum length, despite the fact that the measurement is in dispute. As compared to the long-running discussion of the measurements of the great white shark, reported measurements of the Greenland shark face little scrutiny, as it is hardly as famous nor as ferocious as the other predatory sharks. Somewhat more credible is the reports of a 6.4 m (21.3 ft) specimen, caught off the Isle of May, Scotland, in January 1895. The weight was reported at 1,021 kg (2,250 lbs). References exist to a specimen with a weight of 1.4 tons (3,000 lbs), but in this case there is no note of the specimen's length.
shark link
truethat
Jan 5 2007, 03:53 PM
You know I watched it again and I think the cage is small because its open on either side so it is probably a small cage. But even if its just the size of a man that shark is still friggin huge in comparison.
Aztec Warrior
Jan 5 2007, 03:56 PM
I found it.
Clobhair-cean
Jan 5 2007, 04:03 PM
Isn't 7 meters big enough?

This is a pacific sleeper shark, a relative of the Greenland shark... The shape and the colour is the same and the size is also quite impressive (the camera that took the film footage was most likely to be small with a narrow field of view, so it would show a big, close thing even bigger than its actual size...)
capeo
Jan 5 2007, 04:03 PM
QUOTE(Mattshark @ Jan 5 2007, 10:21 AM) [snapback]1488015[/snapback]
Exactly, that is no shark cage, it is smaller than that, Even a shark cage is just over 2m. Aztec, they are just sleeper sharks, I know what a sleeper shark looks like (Also known as greenland sharks).
I assume the video was taken off the coast of Japan thus, given its size, it would have to be a Pacific Sleeper. But, if were in the North Atlantic than, yes, it would have to be a Greenland Shark. No other sleepers (that we know of anyway) get to that size, assuming the bait pot is a meter or so in length. The parasites around its eyes are common to large Sleepers too.
MoonPrincess
Jan 5 2007, 04:06 PM
QUOTE(GanjaGuru @ Jan 5 2007, 04:20 AM) [snapback]1487701[/snapback]
Jesus Christ!!!!! that thing is the largest shark i have ever seen.
Why is it everything in Japan is always bigger? except the people of course they're tiny....
As to what type of shark it is i'm not sure it is either a previously undiscovered species or possibly a megalodon. What tells me this is not the peaceful shrimp eating whale shark is the head. Judging by it's mouth it clearly has a massive bite
I agree with you. O_O
So it's a sleeper shark? Never heard of them before until now.
truethat
Jan 5 2007, 04:20 PM
frogfish
Jan 5 2007, 05:09 PM
QUOTE
I agree with you. O_O
So it's a sleeper shark? Never heard of them before until now.
Yes, sleeper sharks are deeper water species, and rarely venture to the upper layers of the ocean...They are as mysterious as sixgill sharks.
noyritus
Jan 5 2007, 05:26 PM
Like the guy said, its sleeper. At first I thought it might be a rare megamouth shark. <-- Filter feeding shark like the Whale Shark that's rarely seen by humans around the deep waters of Japan.
OlDrippy34
Jan 5 2007, 05:37 PM
No one even commented on how crazily dramatic that was, I was freaking out just because of the music.
Mattshark
Jan 5 2007, 05:48 PM
QUOTE(MoonPrincess @ Jan 5 2007, 05:06 PM) [snapback]1488086[/snapback]
I agree with you. O_O
So it's a sleeper shark? Never heard of them before until now.
Sleeper sharks are the largest of the dogfishes. They are slow sluggish fish living in deep and cold water enivironments. They are known to reach upto 7m long and are believed to feed upon carrion for the most part.
Fish base linkIf you want some fish info, fish base is a handy resource.
Tucuxi
Jan 5 2007, 05:59 PM
Hah! I was just watching footage of Blue Planet last night. They sleeper shark and the hagfish were feeding on a dead whale at the bottom of the ocean. I like sleeper sharks. It's pretty obvious that's what it is. It's the right skin color/texture and sleepers always did look kinda squishy to me.

P.S.
Tucuxi

Fishbase!
m. Moe
Jan 5 2007, 06:02 PM
Well, this has to be said. It is not a whale or basking shark. Whale and basking sharks usually stay close to the surface. And it is definetly not a megladon because it would be more of an open water predator. So, as many before said, sleeper.
MoonPrincess
Jan 5 2007, 10:56 PM
QUOTE(frogfish @ Jan 5 2007, 12:09 PM) [snapback]1488157[/snapback]
Yes, sleeper sharks are deeper water species, and rarely venture to the upper layers of the ocean...They are as mysterious as sixgill sharks.
Oh. Thanks for the info.
Now to learn about these sharks.
frogfish
Jan 6 2007, 12:04 AM
Sharks are very neat, like Mattshark says
Mattshark
Jan 6 2007, 12:06 AM
QUOTE(frogfish @ Jan 6 2007, 01:04 AM) [snapback]1488866[/snapback]
Sharks are very neat, like Mattshark says


Sharks
smoodiver
Jan 6 2007, 02:20 AM
Since posting that to my blog I have been following various forum threads from various forums and the majority of the time they conclude that it's a greenland shark but this is the first time that I have seen a sleeper shark mentioned as what the beastie may be.
What I really want to know is what the other fish in the shot are, because if it is a shark cage those fish would be human size and if it's a crab cage or something that would still make them farely large and I don't think that those fish should be that large.
I think identifying those fish would give better information to the scale of things.
Mattshark
Jan 6 2007, 02:25 AM
QUOTE(smoodiver @ Jan 6 2007, 03:20 AM) [snapback]1489057[/snapback]
Since posting that to my blog I have been following various forum threads from various forums and the majority of the time they conclude that it's a greenland shark but this is the first time that I have seen a sleeper shark mentioned as what the beastie may be.
What I really want to know is what the other fish in the shot are, because if it is a shark cage those fish would be human size and if it's a crab cage or something that would still make them farely large and I don't think that those fish should be that large.
I think identifying those fish would give better information to the scale of things.
The sleeper shark is the Pacific species of the greenland shark. The other fish was a Rabbit/rat fish or Chimera a cartelaginous fish closely related to the sharks and rays. It at maximum reaches 1.5m.
frogfish
Jan 6 2007, 02:27 AM
yes, the other fish look like rattails to me. They don't get very big.
Symbol
Jan 6 2007, 03:01 AM
Seen it on TV before, Sleeper Shark.
Snarky Pants
Jan 6 2007, 08:48 AM
Looks like a Greenland Shark to me.
Raptorial
Jan 6 2007, 01:17 PM
Aye, that be a sleeper shark right there.

I hope I never resort to talking like that again.
Marley
Jan 7 2007, 01:12 AM
How do you guys know? There is no visible parts to justify what shark species it is. I highly doudt its a megladon, but i think you guys are jumping to conclusions just by seeing the side of it.
m. Moe
Jan 7 2007, 01:18 AM
QUOTE(Marley @ Jan 6 2007, 06:12 PM) [snapback]1490327[/snapback]
How do you guys know? There is no visible parts to justify what shark species it is. I highly doudt its a megladon, but i think you guys are jumping to conclusions just by seeing the side of it.
Did you watch the whole video? We also saw the head and mouth.
Moro
Jan 7 2007, 03:22 AM
It is a (Sleeper Shark) This has been said over and over on other threads i have seen.
Snarky Pants
Jan 7 2007, 03:50 AM
frogfish
Jan 7 2007, 03:53 AM
QUOTE
How do you guys know? There is no visible parts to justify what shark species it is. I highly doudt its a megladon, but i think you guys are jumping to conclusions just by seeing the side of it.
The head is enough!
Marley
Jan 8 2007, 01:02 AM
QUOTE(MR_MOE @ Jan 6 2007, 05:18 PM) [snapback]1490341[/snapback]
Did you watch the whole video? We also saw the head and mouth.
Ya i just rewatched it. I have no clue why it didnt show the part where you the eyes. I understand now.
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