Ghosts, or supernatural beings to an extent, are viewed as friendly, or hostile. Many assume they are the spirits of the dead come back to life after a tragic demise, or simply cannot face the fact that they are dead. Though, in my own opinion. That ghosts are demons taking the shape of a deceased person or animal. Demons are servents of the devil, or Satan. Their job is to corrupt the world into chaos, and bring fear to humanity. These demons attack our weak spots, such as deceased loved ones. Or simply wanting to scare the pants off of us by taking the shape of a hostile person or creature. Ghosts to me, are not real and are simply a figment of immagination. I will not believe that ghosts are the forms of the former living, but demons simply taking their shape and turning it into a ghastly form.

This is what i believe and many are welcome to share their views.

I don't believe in the devil or hell. I am sure if there was a devil and he had demons, he wouldn't be sending them to scare little children in average households. If I had that abiltiy, I would be after much bigger fish. My view is in this forum, just a few threads below this one.

I'm not a demonologist (and I don't play one on TV ). But my group has spoken at length with a number of well known and active ones. I personally don't believe in demons but these people do. They insist demons, satan, the war between good&evil is all very real.

But, according to them, the war has rules layed down by G-d. One of the rules is that demons can't outright harm people. That is, a demon can't just come up to you and cause your heart to stop, or rip off your head, or choke you etc. Demons are more into trying to get us to corrupt ourselves through alchohol, drugs, sexual depravity, uncontrollable greed, etc. and thereby turn away from the teachings and love of G-d. Demons often "attack" people and families that are already under stress. And there is a definate link between demonic possession and mental illness.

As I said, I don't personally believe in demon and I haven't encountered anything demonic (yet). But those who do believe do have very credible backgrounds and clearly believe in what they are doing.

Above all, don't tamper with demons!

I admit, I'm confused. Do I have this correct? Demons are ghosts. Ghosts do not exist.

That would mean that demons do not exist.

Is there anything you base your opinion on? As in, giving a basis for your beliefs? Otherwise there is not much of a discussion going on. Its just you giving a flat opinion.

Imperfecton, do you have a strong religious background? This sounds to me much like how I was taught as a kid, growing up under a Catholic background.

Although now I do not believe that it's necessarily an evil experience, but I am still very confused on what ghosts are. In fact that's how I ended up here... just researching.

Why don't you want to tamper with demons? Why should you fear something that cant outright harm you?

I didn't say they can't harm you, just that they can't come out of no where one day and harm you.

According to the demonogists I/we have spoken with, people who are demonologist/demon-fighters are chosen by G-d. No, not a voice from heaven or a sign in thier morning coffee. Just more a feeling that is confirmed by prayer and consultation with a priest who's authorized by the church to fight demons. These people have special devine protection from demons. A demon can't harm them physically at all (mental and/or spiritual harm maybe). Part of G-d's rules.

One demonologist told a story of how he was in a house of a person demonically possessed. The demon was in control and was facing the demonologist. He said the demon grabed his finger and he though for sure was going to snap it off like a twing. But instead it just held the finger and he was able to gently slide it out of the demon's grip. He is one protected by G-d (so he says/believes) and the demon knew it couldn't harm him but was trying to scare him.

If you go into a demonic situation without the protection of G-d, then the demons can harm you physically. However, according to the demonologists, there is an "out". I raised that question with one, to whit, what if as a paranormal investigator we walk into a demonic situation unknowingly? Are we and our families going to be persecuted forever? The demonologist said no. The "out" is if you go in innocently, unknowingly, and not claiming to be an agent of G-d there to do battle with the demon, as soon as you realize you're over your head you can say "I'm leaving" and the demon can't harm you or follow you. That's the rule (according to the demonologist). But if it is shown that you clearly do not have the protection of G-d and you still choose to remain in the situation, then you're on your own and harm can befall you and your family.

So say the demonologists.

I am still not convinced. In the new testament, one of Jesus' disciples came to him and said there were people casting out demons in his name and that they ordered them to stop. He replied to not stop them for anyone can cast them out in the name of God.

I myself have succeded multiple times at "bahishing" negative beings by using the name of God and the Arkangle Micheal. No harm has come to me spirtually, or physicly.

I am very sensetive to things, and occaisonly I can see them. I have seen human looking entities, but most of the time, I just feel their prescence. A lot of them seem to want to convey a message, but I get words or phrases sometimes, but never enough to converse.

I have dealt with very dark entities, trying to invoke fear, or just trying invade the body. I send the baddies away, very sternly, no games.

I have had some beautiful experiences with angels, and we all have someone watching over us. The world is full of life and love, most of which we cannot see with our physical eyes. There is no magical heaven or hell that confines spirits within its gates. We all have free will now, and forever.

Just remember there are a lot of good people and some bad ones, and when we leave the body we don't necessarily change one way or the other.

You might be one of the chosen to defend against demons. I can't say. I suppose people who are don't necessarily know they are chosen all the time. It's based a lot on Roman Cathloic faith si once you introduce that into the mix logic and science become very blury at best.

Like I said before, I don't personally believe in demons. I'm not even Catholic! But the people I have spoken to and read believe in it a lot and I know enough not to turn a blind eye to what I don't understand.

Do a Google search on Adam Blai and read his articles.

I find this subject very interesting and must say that I often wondered about whether demons exist or not. Due to my work I often encountered people with mental issues, personality disorders etc. and had a few experiences that scared the b-jesus out of me.

On one occasion I was speaking to a lady with such a disorder in her home, helping her out etc. and after a little while in her appartment I experienced a wave of anxiety wash over me out of nowhere. I excused myself to leave and felt instantly better as soon as I had left her proximity. She was a dear old and nice lady, so there was nothing to fear about her. She had claimed that her dead mother (who was an alcoholic and had physically and mentally abused this lady) was still talking to her and making her do bad things.

I had something similar happen to me with a different lady.

The reason I'm relaying this here is, because the strong feelings of anxiety it evoked in me. I've seen many strange and scary things, but never had such a reaction. Also that these ladies didn't scare me per say is odd. Each time I felt this wave of extreme panic.

I don't know if demons exist, but it is possible.

This sounds like what I was taught in the Southern Baptist chuches I went to as a child. That there is no such thing as ghosts but that they are demons in disguise.

What I find funny is that a demon would most assuredly scare more than a ghost.

I believe in ghosts and demons....I think. LOL!

I believe the other way around than imperfection. My belief in the Heaven and Hell and angels and demons and so forth, I have a hard time really think that they exist. I find them just 2 dimensional, (my feelings only) and so cannot see them as actually existing. Ghosts, spirits, and entities that seem to have arrived through death of their flesh body, that I believe. It's not just I have seen and heard ghosts, but the very idea seems more plausible to me. I can see the reasoning why they would exist.

I'm not trying to put down imperfection, but I have noticed some people believe in varying orthodoxed entities, but refuse to believe that ghosts exist. I don't understand why. Unless it's disturbing to think that good souls are actually not in heaven. I don't know.

"Ghosts" could very well turn out to be some form of life or existance we do not yet understand.

There was a time when illness was believed to be the cause of demons and devils. Now we well know that illness is caused by microscopic germs.

Hey there,
I'd like to shed some light on the ghost issue if I may. I have had experiences throughout my life, and recently had another. I am not particularly religious, although I am aware of some connection bewteen myself and elsewhere (can't really pinpoint where )
In any event, i believe it all boils down to energy. Your personal energy and the energy that surrounds you. I have come to understand, (at least for myself) that my personal energy is receptive and very sensitive to places, people and things with high volumes of energy. Energy is obviously more potent when attached to living things, but I have also walked into spaces in homes that gave off the physical sensation of eating pop-rocks cand, but I was standing in a room alone. I have seen forms, watch windows slam tight (seemingly in protest), and noticed shadows standing next to me on the ground next to my own shadow...but stood alone. With the same pop-rocks physical sensation sticking to my skin.
I find that people with more of a barrier or skeptics tend to not have these experiences and therefore don't believe ghosts, or whatever you want to call them, exist. If your energy is impenetrable to these things, then it seems like nonsense because you simply CAN'T experience them. There are many forms of energy, from the deceased person coming by to say hi, to the instinctual feeling of not liking someone instantly after meeting them. Living things operate on energy entirely, and because the physical part of us dies...who's to say the energy goes away as well?

-Ms. Mantis

I believe that ghosts do not exist except in your mind.
Prove me wrong. Darn...you can't.

Unfortunately, you are one of those people that have a sturdy barrier. Perhaps in a more weakend state you'll have one. When your guards are down.

We can't? Or you won't let us? Just wondering, considering you left such a little amount of time and space to do so. Just my thoughts.

So you have no problem with midnight walks in cemetaries then?

You already have!

If there was a heven or hell, wouldnt there be a holy war raging on in our mortal world?

I wouldn't put "ghosts" and "supernatural" in the same sentence. IMO they are mutual exclusive.

A "ghost" implies the remaining energy or spirit of a person who lived on Earth and has died (an inhuman or non-human entity is a ghost/spirit of something that hasn't lived and died, at least not on Earth).

While "supernatural" is usually applied to a deity and I don't think anyone is claiming (yet) to have gotten messages directly from G-d while performing paranormal investigations.

Well from my aspect, ghosts do exist. Are they demons or lost spirits? I have a few views on that. From my Christian perspective, yes they are demons in disguise. Mainly because I believe that Satan's goal is to corrupt not destroy. If God says one thing such as Heaven is the only true spirit world but never shows it to you but says keep a blind faith that it's there and the devil shows you another spirit world right in front of your face what will you believe? Most people this day and age have the belief of,"seeing is believing." So if Satan shows this other spirit world to non believers or even Christians this then he's won because he's taken a majority of the people and has put doubt in their ideals of their beliefs. My other view is that ghost are apparations or manifestations of unknown origin. It is hard to understand their origin because just like people they can have a diffrent version of what they are. Much like living people can do. Another thought I have too is maybe this kind of spirit possesing and infulencing people is like the living, they still need bonding with other people. Kinda like the stalker who doesn't feel he's a stalker in his opinion cause all he wants to do is get to know this person he's infatuated with. and just like the person being stalked we feel uneasy or scared when being haunted. And like the misguided stalker, they don't know there scaring anyone because they have good intentions in their thought process. Then again theirs those bad entinies that know what their doing and their full intent is to harm you much like the stalker with bad intentions. So I guess it all depends on how you perceve the ghost and how it perceves you.

A devine protection from God, so how was it that Jesus himself was tempted? Or the scripture where it says in warning that once someone is clean from these evil spirits, these spirits (plus many more) will look for vessels cleaner than before to inhabit ?
I don't think just anyone has the ability to clean anyone from such a thing- I believe it takes faith, and the forgiveness of their own sins- they have to be clean. Or, these unforgiven sins will be used against them in the process of elimination, if you will. There are so many of these so called "demonoligist" and I find it difficult to believe that just anyone could master such a thing so vile- and call it genuine?- or the study? I would think it would take a life absorbed in Christ to be called anything of the such- I don't see it. Not that those you know are not, but it just doesn't seem right, then call yourself a preacher, not demonoligist.... Or, then again, I may be way off base with the whole demonoligist term, just sharing my opinion about the subject.

I think you have a good point. That goes into one of my sayings that no one is higher or better because of titles. For example the pope is considered the highest athourity of God on earth. But does that make is faith greater than the little old lady that goes to church every Sunday? Or even the non-denominational, non-church going Christian who believes and follows the word? I don't think so. The only way to cast away a demon is through pure faith. Putting the whole sitiation into the Lord's hands and asking for deliverance. The minute you consider yourself strong enough without the Lord to battle demons is when you'll get, in term "KO'd" and fast. I know from experience.

It was Jesus who said to the religious leaders after they commented on what 'type' of woman Mary was-How could Jesus let her touch him, they asked- that Jesus said back to them- who was to say she wouldn't get through the gates of heaven before them?
I despise the attitudinal ego of authority.

I've read numerous books on this demon subject & dove head first into some extremely complicated "demonic" cases & Ill probally never do it again. But, anyway, if we are talking about demonic, faith is a must. If it's demonic, whoever is placed in charge need to be squeeky clean. & calling yourself demonoligist doesn't cut it, imo.

My point exactly. By the way what does "imo" mean? I've noticed you post it alot.

Emphasizing IN MY OPINION ONLY....so folks don't say "that's not a fact" or something like that...

Sticking a few IMO's in here and there generally stops people getting there knickers in a twist

Thanks, I'm not to keen on chat lingo.

You get tired of writing out 'In my Opinion' in every post!

I'm not going to try to debate the finer points of the New Testiment. Like I said before, I'm not Catholic. Just relating what I have heard and read from others who appear to know a lot more than I how it works.

I agree. That was my point.



You are correct in that many people call themselved "demonologists" when they are just little more than the sum of having read a number of books and pray a lot. It's not something you take up as a hobby or for braging rights at parties. Infact, so I've been told, a true demonologist working the the Roman Cathlic church, usually leads a very solitary life. Friends, family, relations - even pets! - can be used by demons to get at the demonologiest.



Again, I agree. I have told some of these demonologists (the apparent real ones) outright that I wasn't entirely comfortable with thier constant "pushing" of Roman Catholosims. I feelit sometimes blurrs the line between informing and missionarying. I respect thier beliefs and possibly even admire thier devotion. Christianity has been around for only 2,000 years. According to ancient writings and texts people have been battling demons for much longer than that. Many cultures and religions have thier own mythos about warding off evil.

lmao DITTO! <knock on wood> seems to work for the most part......


so far.

Exactly. Most demonologists should back off and let their work prove what their doing. Also I feel that the way they treat Roman Catholics as the domanant powerful Christians is wrong. Like I said in an earlier post, is the pope's faith any greater than the little old lady that goes to church every Sunday just because of his title? I don't think so. Also I had some one ask me if reading latin instead of english or any other language works better during blessings adn exorcisim. In my opinion no. I've cast away evil and demonic spirits without reading latin or even using holy water or crucifixes. The strength of your power over demonic spirits all depends on your weight in faith. Just like in other cultures and religions their power over evil is in their faith and beliefs not because of what their faith and beleifs are. I like to quote a movie on the matter, (Fright Night) were the vampire laughed at the hunter who put a cross in the vampire's face. He said, "You must have faith for that to work on me!"

I was just throwing my opinion out there is all--




I am sickened by all the new found demonoligist/preachers "who cast out devils" popping up everywhere. Even on the TV "casting out" their assistants look like cartoons with bling! Or over done cosmetic surgical experiments also with a bling! Such hypocrits. I see agenda.
But the problem is there are people (as rare or common) who may suffer genuine demonic issues- Real problems with real people. They are not taken seriously, I don't feel. If these people suffer psychologically prior to the undemonization process then the result is they are worse than before-psychologically. If they have an issue demonic, it's worse than before-demonically. No body wins but the cartoon that blings. IMO.
I know I know that's pretty darn hateful, but ..... geez.

No harm done.



That's a good point. All "real" demonologists agree that demonic possession is closely tied to mental illness. It can be very difficult to diagnose a true possession from a case of mental illness. That's why most of the "real" demonologists are also clinical psycologists or work very closely with them. Probably is very hard to find a psychologist/demonologist however. Anyone in the profession you or your family tries to contact for such help would probably immediately think you nuts for just asking about it.

No please let's not go there. Mentally ill people do not need the stigma of demon possession attached to them. This infuriates me to no end. I'm mentally ill and I'm no where near demon possessed. Would you say someone that has cancer is demon possessed? There is no difference.

Also where do demonologists get their demonologist degrees?

Also why do you type G-d instead of God? I'm curious about that.

Thanks in advance.

I didn't say all mentally ill people are demonically possessed. Not at all. How many psychologists or psyciatrists would diagnose possession anyway?

The demonologists say there is a definate connection between mental illness and demonic possession. Not some one who is lock-them-up-and-throw-away-the-key ill, but more like the people you probably know and meet everyday who are just depressed, low self esteem, destructive habits (drugs, drinking, promiscuous etc). Probably because someone with mental illness is easier to corrupt and convince than a healthy mind that can resist and seek help.

The issue is, according to demonologists, that sometimes mental illness is really possession and visa-versa. That's why real demonologists are either also clinical psychologists or work with them.

It's a life long study (so I'm told) that you never graduate from.



Not to take the name of G-d in vain.

And I am telling you as someone diagnosed with mental illnesses that linking them to demon possession is offensive and wrong. Would you say someone who had cancer was possessed by demons? Because of the symptoms of mental illness being what they are people are so insensitive and crude.

Also being drunk and promiscuous does not necessarily mean you have a mental illness. These are the misunderstandings that people with mental illnesses have to put up with daily. And when someone is mentally ill, you never lock them up and throw away the key. I'm sorry but what you have written was very offensive and ignorant to me.

For accurate healthy information about mental illness please visit this site.

And in other words, demonology isn't something you can have a degree in, it's just something you study? I think people should get their information from psychiatrists and people who've actually went to a college for several years and earned a degree. And also every profession is a life long study.

Good post ethyl..

Demonologists talk shyte IMO and besides, demons only seem to be a reality/problem to those who believe in them, it's therefore a cultural belief religious problem, nothing else....

Biblically speaking ghosts can't exist because, when a person dies, their spirit rests in a state that is best represented as sleep.That is why most biblically based Christians feel that what people see as ghosts may be demons, for which there is biblical support. Personally I am not so sure. Having had close encounters with a classical ghost (which was so real i got up from the table to open the door for) and a classical angel (pillar of fire, commanding voice,immediate miracle performed) I cannot see how the two could be confused.
On the other hand, another experience with an angel who placed a bible in my bedside table just before I underwent a triple bypass (The hospital had a policy banning bibles at that time for reasons of political correctness) showed me the other classical form of a creature, who looked just like a human being (business suit, the lot), and yet was able to walk unnoticed by any one but me, through a busy hospital ward, and out through a wall, leaving behind a bible that had not been there before.When I opened the bible at random, it opened to a verse which summarises as "Fear not, for I and my angels are watching over you, and no harm/evil will befall you". A powerful tonic for a man who was about to undergo an operation from which one in every 100 do not wake up.
This second visitation had a lot more in common with the ghost's appearance, although it was even more substantial , realistic and convincing. I maintain that some people are just 'Lucky" enough to be open to these experiences. For some reason, in 56 years my contacts have all been at least benign, and mostly positive up to the point of lifesaving.
By the way I know how I would feel if someone attributed my angelic "visitations" to mental illness, but then I dont have any of the characteristics mentioned in the posts above, so while I don't advertise my experiences "off line" except to explain my "life views", I have never had to worry about being labelled. I think it is quite likely that real entities, capable of physical interaction with the world, and people, exist. People who have other problems in their lives may be more vulnerable to the malicious ones while some, like myself, are either lucky or blessed in their experiences.

i dont think al ghosts are demons, though it is an interesting theory, if they all were chances are all of them would do bad things, but not all of them do, i think if they all were everyone who goes near a ghost and would get attacked

Then again from that theroy comes the fact that the demons dont want to scare and murder you but get you to accept them as the next best thing to a religious relationship with God. When a demon comes to you all nice and spiritual you will most likely be influenced by that persona and react kindly to it. So it is in the demons best intrest to be a "freindly ghost" because those are the ones that you dont run from.