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hyuugaNeji
In America, in the last eight years, there have been three terrible tragedies: Waco, Oklahoma City, and the World Trade Center. In every case, the government’s solution to the problems has been greatly increased government power and the loss of Constitutional liberties and freedoms. In this short time period of eight years, we have seen a very serious despoiling of the Constitution, the greatest document ever created by men. An insidious war is raging against Constitutional liberty in America. In the aftermath of the World Trade Center destruction, this certainly has been the focal point of politicians and media.In the reader forum of the Orlando Sentinel, Sept. 12th, the question was raised, “What personal freedoms would you give up to fight terrorism?” One person, the next day, wrote in and said, “I have no problem with having to give up something for the greater good of myself and my brothers and sisters.” This person does not realize that as the government usurps more and more power; liberty, freedom, and safety decrease in direct proportion. This person does not realize that when the government has all the power, no one is safe, and bloody persecution is the result. Remember Waco?

The main purpose of the World Trade Center tragedy was to make American citizens willing to give up their freedoms. The World Trade Center attack was necessary because the bombing in Oklahoma did not panic the American people enough to get more of the desired so-called ‘antiterrorism laws’ passed.

Who is calling the shots in Washington, D.C.? If we think it is the President of the U.S., we are deceiving ourselves.

The pope is the ruler of the world. All the emperors, all the kings, all the princes, all the presidents of the world are as these altar boys of mine. — Priest D. S. Phelan, Western Watchman, June 27, 1912

The best way to honor Pope John Paul II, truly one of the great men, is to take his teachings seriously, to listen to his words and put his words and his teachings into action here in America! — Patricia Zapoa, Catholic News Service, March 24, 2001.

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truth's last stand
QUOTE(hyuugaNeji @ Jan 5 2007, 10:07 PM) [snapback]1489211[/snapback]
In America, in the last eight years, there have been three terrible tragedies: Waco, Oklahoma City, and the World Trade Center. In every case, the government’s solution to the problems has been greatly increased government power and the loss of Constitutional liberties and freedoms. In this short time period of eight years, we have seen a very serious despoiling of the Constitution, the greatest document ever created by men. An insidious war is raging against Constitutional liberty in America. In the aftermath of the World Trade Center destruction, this certainly has been the focal point of politicians and media.In the reader forum of the Orlando Sentinel, Sept. 12th, the question was raised, “What personal freedoms would you give up to fight terrorism?” One person, the next day, wrote in and said, “I have no problem with having to give up something for the greater good of myself and my brothers and sisters.” This person does not realize that as the government usurps more and more power; liberty, freedom, and safety decrease in direct proportion. This person does not realize that when the government has all the power, no one is safe, and bloody persecution is the result. Remember Waco?

The main purpose of the World Trade Center tragedy was to make American citizens willing to give up their freedoms. The World Trade Center attack was necessary because the bombing in Oklahoma did not panic the American people enough to get more of the desired so-called ‘antiterrorism laws’ passed.

Who is calling the shots in Washington, D.C.? If we think it is the President of the U.S., we are deceiving ourselves.

The pope is the ruler of the world. All the emperors, all the kings, all the princes, all the presidents of the world are as these altar boys of mine. — Priest D. S. Phelan, Western Watchman, June 27, 1912

The best way to honor Pope John Paul II, truly one of the great men, is to take his teachings seriously, to listen to his words and put his words and his teachings into action here in America! — Patricia Zapoa, Catholic News Service, March 24, 2001.

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Wasn't this line used to slander JFK (and Al Smith before him)?
MID
QUOTE(hyuugaNeji @ Jan 5 2007, 11:07 PM) [snapback]1489211[/snapback]
In America, in the last eight years, there have been three terrible tragedies: Waco, Oklahoma City, and the World Trade Center. In every case, the government’s solution to the problems has been greatly increased government power and the loss of Constitutional liberties and freedoms. In this short time period of eight years, we have seen a very serious despoiling of the Constitution, the greatest document ever created by men. An insidious war is raging against Constitutional liberty in America.



I think an insidious campaign is being waged, by the far left, to make people think that the government is attempting to take away constitutional rights and protections, for reasons which are generally attributed to President Bush's "power". However, the President's actual power is no more, and no less that what it was the day he took office. That power was given him by this Constitution, which the prevalent opinion maintains he is attempting to destroy (an absurdity, as it is not possible for him to do so), and all the evidence indicates that he has done nothing but exercise his power, and executed his duties as President...again, things described in the Constitution.

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The main purpose of the World Trade Center tragedy was to make American citizens willing to give up their freedoms. The World Trade Center attack was necessary because the bombing in Oklahoma did not panic the American people enough to get more of the desired so-called ‘antiterrorism laws’ passed
Ah...see?
This statement implies that there was a government "purpose" for the WTC attacks. Indeed, it is basically saying that they were behind it...an utter piece of lunacy.

Antiterrorism laws? Would you be referring to the Miltary Commissions Act of 2006....you know, that law which removes the right to the writ of habeas corpus and makes any U.S. citizen susceptible to arrest and imprisonment without review wink2.gif ?

rolleyes.gif Of course, that law has absolutely no bearing on the rights of any U.S. Citizen, and takes away no rights whatsoever. In fact, it doesn't apply to U.S. Citizens whatsoever...a common, and somewhat troubling mis-interpretation of people in this day and age, who think the government would want, or could in anyway delete the Constitution or any of its provisions with a piece of law...

The "main purpose" of the WTC attacks of 2001 is to be found in the skewed minds of those who planned and executed it.
The reason for it, however, may have been to wake a complacent and lazy America up from it's decades old nap, and make them realize what is necessary to insure their continued safety.

I am not so sure that it has succeeded in that respect. Thankfully, we had a government on-hand at the time which woke up...despite resistence from the sleeping masses at large, and on the left of the government's population. At least some action is being taken. Statements like the one's in this post are the result of laziness, and intellectual sleepiness.

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Who is calling the shots in Washington, D.C.? If we think it is the President of the U.S., we are deceiving ourselves.

The pope is the ruler of the world. All the emperors, all the kings, all the princes, all the presidents of the world are as these altar boys of mine.



Whooo...see what I mean?
This implies that the Pope is calling the shots in Washington D.C. Another ludicrous concept.

However, I will concede that in times past, in the earliest days of the established Christian church, it was indeed an intent that the Pope rule the world...but centuries have passed since any Pope was allowed to exercise such political and military power anywhere in the world, which is of course a good thing.

Further, ther Pope does not, never did, and shall never have a hand, or any influence whatsoever in any action that is taken by the Government of the United States.

Vestiges of the ancient Papal power grab are still evident however. The Pope is in fact the only absolute monarch in Europe, the sole ruler of the Vatican, which is in fact a 109 acre country, land-locked within the coinfines of the City of Rome, Italy. That is about as far as Papal power goes in the world today, and the Pope certainly has no effect or influence in the governmental matters of the United States of America.

Any statement which implies that the Pope is the ruler of the world is a reflection of some extreme lapse of reason...and any implication that the Pope is calling the shots in Washington D.C. is beyond comprehension.
Lilly
QUOTE(MID @ Jan 6 2007, 07:45 PM) [snapback]1489890[/snapback]
...and the Pope certainly has no effect or influence in the governmental matters of the United States of America.

Any statement which implies that the Pope is the ruler of the world is a reflection of some extreme lapse of reason...and any implication that the Pope is calling the shots in Washington D.C. is beyond comprehension.


Just something I think I should point out here, not all Chrisitans are Catholic. For example, President Bush is indeed Christian, however, he is not Catholic.

Also, due to the fact that there is separation of church and state in the USA, the Pope simply can't be calling the shots in the American government.
MID
QUOTE(Lilly @ Jan 8 2007, 11:31 AM) [snapback]1492370[/snapback]
Just something I think I should point out here, not all Chrisitans are Catholic. For example, President Bush is indeed Christian, however, he is not Catholic.




Absolutely true, Lil.

However, I was speaking to the origins of Christianity as a religion, back in 325 c.e.
Today, Christianity is comprised of many different groups or sects, but originally, the Roman Catholic Church was the religion, and the Bishop of Rome (the Pope) was eventually set in place as it's head. The many many facets of modern Christianity were the result of rebellion against the Roman Church, which occurred centuries later.

I guess the point is that whatever the religion, no leader of any of them has any influence (or at least, should have no influence) on the administration of the government of the United States.
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