I'm a person who believes that Flight 93 had been shot down by 2 Jets. & that a plane didn't go into the Pentagon(the hole in the side is small) & that there were explosives in WTC. And the greatest thing ever is that more than 40% of New Yorkers believe that 9/11 was a governmental consperice so we could go over to Iraq and Afghanastan. I'm just wondering how many people belive this.(Because I Do)
If you want to know more about this you can visit 9/11 truth (I think that's it)

You're an idiot...

lol
As I said in another 9/11 conspiracy thread; it was 19 middle eastern men, affiliated with the terrorist group Al Qeada led by Osama Bin Laden(sp), they hijacked 4 planes, 2 hit the twin towers, 1 hit the pentagon, and another crashed in a field in pennsylvania. They made numerous videos claiming responsibiliy and mentioning specific facts about the event of 9/11, we are in a war in Afghanistan that was widely supported by most of the world, and Osama bin Laden hasn't showered since 2001. The End.

look who's talking, dont listen to him man your on the right track think for yourself dont look for truth from this government form your own opinion seek your own truth Dont let them spoon feed this bullsh t story the offical story has so many holes in it it's even sending Bush 1 into fits on live television God the pressure the elite must be under , I don't know how they live day to day to cover there bullshiat lies .

Yup, you are going to have to do alot better then that. Look up some of the old and new 9/11 threads you will be eatin alive with what you got so far. Good luck.

Don't be a jerk! yes I know, against forum rules, I sunk to his level, sorry.

The problem with the evil muslim hijacker theory peddled by the government and the corporate news media is this: could they have done it? Could Hani Hanjoor, a 150 lb drunken ill educated idiot and wimp, who couldn't fly a Cessna around a Florida airfield with his instructor sitting next to him, force his way into the cockpit of a commercial airliner with two big super tough, super intelligent, super atheletic, super patriotic, former Air Force jet pilots at the helm and then somehow, force them or coerce them to give up their command of the airliner with just a little plastic box cutter in his hand with a narrow 1" long blade on it?

Of course not. What nonsense. And what an insult to the elite of America's military; the Air Force fighter jocks to even suppose such a thing. There are some really ridiculous 911 theories out there; none are more absurd than the government's own theory.

And as for Hani Hanjoor or Mohammed Atta taking control of a jet airliner from 7 miles altitude, not even being able to see the ground and recognize landmarks, and then fly this massive vehicle all over the eastern states, unmolested and unaccompanied by any NORAD fighter escort, as any off course or out of contact airliner must be BY FEDERAL LAW, and then to guide this plane 100's of miles west of Wash. DC then turn it around and approach Wash DC at 8000 ft, travelling 500 mph, and then make a mminimum radius 190 degree turn, dropping 8000 feet in the process only to suddenly flatten out his flight path at ground level, and then skim the ground with his engines only inches from the ground, clipping off lamp posts all the way only to slam into the Pentagon, leaving no trace in the facade save for a 6' hole where the nose supposedly hit, leaving no debris. Neil Armstrong would have had difficulty pulling off this manouvre. The "debunkers" form Popular Mechanics claim that the aircraft hit so hard, it evaporated. An entire jet airliner EVAPORATED....

Are you sh**ting me? What kind of drugs are these people on? And the PM debunker? Who is he? Why he's Chertoff's first cousin, Benjamin, (Chertoff, director of Homeland Security) , with no science or engineering degree whatsoever. A totally unqualified man.





And Pop Mech is not a serious scientific or engineering journal you know...lol..."LAWN TRACTOR FACE OFF'...lol

And the wreckage at the Pentagon? Well, apparently, 65 ft of the facade around the initial hole collapsed after half an hour. Now remember all that jet fuel that caused the steel at WTC to MELT?? 1200 F burning fuel caused steel at WTC to soften so it collapsed even though steel doesn't melt until well over 2000F. What did this super hot aircraft fuel do at the Pentagon?

Look for yourself;









Why lookee there; look right in there...the wooden furniture isn't even singed...I've got a photo here at home showing a book open on a stool right on the edge of the collapse area and the pages are open...unburnt, white pages...a plastic computer monitor is sitting unmelted on a file cabinet...

And look at that facade; it's just steel rebar reinforced concrete with a few inches of stone cladding and about 8" of brick behind that. It's nowhere near as strong as the huge steel girders that made up the exterior of the WTC 1 and 2 yet the planes punched right through that...but this wall made the airliner "evaporate"...hahahaha

So which is it? super hot burning fuel or super cool burning fuel? I mean, Ben Chertoff says the entire plane, wings, tail engines and all just sort of collapsed and got sucked into that 6' hole with all the fuel too that ignited inside....or something...

Just how stupid are they? They don't even try to tell good lies...

It wasn't an airliner that hit the Pentagon...it was a cruise missile or Global Hawk...



And what have we here? A huge 4' steel girder at WTC neatly cut on a 45 degree angle with thermite melt marks left on it. Funny how the whole building was chopped up into neat 25' long pieces with cut marks on them like that to be conveniently trucked away to China ASAP by Rudy Giuliani for quick disposal. He should be thrown in jail for destroying evidence at a crime scene...the biggest crime in American history no less...


It's impossible for a bearded man in a cave in Afghanistan to shut down the trillion dollar NORAD system for 1 hour and 40 minutes.

9/11 was an inside job.

And the bin Ladens have vacationed with the Bush family every year in their Louisiana home since the 1960's. Think about it; they socialized together. Would someone please ask George if he knew Osama personally? Surely he must have...this would be a rich vein of discussion I'm sure...Imagine the stuff they could ask him....did they go to the disco together? blow coke together? smoke doobs together?

There is more to 911 then just how the buildings came down Ashiquaru connect all the pieces.

If you have anything more than "this seems odd" I would like to see it.

Nice copy and paste btw.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_effect
There was debris found. Everything else is wrong as well.
The steel did not have to melt.
Lets just completely ignore the huge amount of energy that impact would create.
According to eyewitnesses you're wrong.
Despite the fact you posted no image I can already tell you it was cut with a plasma torch when they were cleaning up the debris.

I know I'm not the only one thinking it.

For some reason the simpler the explanation (19 terrorists killed American on our own soil by using our planes against us) makes us feel insecure. As a species we think that the more complex the explanation the harder it is for it to happen again, since none of us liked what happened that day, because it really was that easy, makes us think that more was involved in the story.

Ackham's Razor : When all things are considered equal the easiest/simplest explanation tends to be to right one.

Tell me whats easier: 19 men hijacking aircraft and crashing them into buildings and the heat of the fires and explosions weakened the steel enough so it could not support the floors above it and everything came crashing down. On flight 93 the passengers fought back and were unable to take control of the plane before it crashed, and the pentagon was hit with a plane that was virtually destroyed on impact.

Or: The US Government devised these horrific attacks against its own tax paying people in order to justify wars in Afghanistan and Iraq for... what, oil, control, to bring about the second coming... what? Not only this but the Government needed to keep this a secret for a few months or years depending on who you talked to, order missile strikes (from where) to hit the pentagon, plant explosive devices months in advance in a publicly used and open building without anyone noticing, pay off everyone who was involved to keep secret, Senators, Marines, Army, explosive contractors, news, etc. Then hijack the airplanes, only to have them land at some secret airport where all the passengers where gunned down and have this whole plan go off without a hitch. Did I get all the theories?

Each of us needs to make up our own minds on what happened that terrible day. For me I'll go with the 19 really pissed off Muslim terrorists.

What's easier?

1. 19 Arab fanatics simultaneously hijacking 4 large passenger jets with box cutters, utterly foiling the world's most advanced, multi-billion dollar defence system, deftly striking three of the most prominent and important buildings in the world, one of which, being the headquarters of that very same world's most advanced, multi-billion dollar defence system. Resulting in the world's first ever collapse of a steel framed highrise, one, two, three times no less, hitting two of them, but somehow winning the trifecta. All directed by a 7-foot tall evil mastermind on a dialysis machine hiding out in a secret cave in Afghanistan.

2. The world's most advanced, multi-billion dollar defence system in the hands of a few Neo-con lunatics with well documented delusions of creating an Empire in the Middle East.

Only one guess allowed, all you marvels of logic!

Whats easiest doesn't matter. Only what happened does.

The hijackers were well funded and had years to research and prod security.

First of all...Id like to say Hi to everyone, seeing as this is my first post

truth is coming im glad to see someone else has the same understanding
of what happened on September 11th

Ashigaru I dont totally agree with how you started the topic off..This is a conspiracy
thread after all...try and show a little more open-mindedness towards others and you'll be a
better person because of it

420 While I like your name, im not sure if I agree with you on what you were fed by the media..
the reason we are at War (Other than over oil) is simple..Higher-Ups felt America would lose its position of power (Dominant Presence)
in the World over the next few decades...They needed something to unite people (another Pearl Harbor) if you will, to support their presence
over-seas...

my belief is that 9/11 was a planned demoliton,...I noticed Ashigaru was looking for some sort of evidence to back up Chris0871's
Claims..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6...owers&hl=en -This Link has everything you could possibly need
to know on September 11th

Do not watch this video if you are Comfortable with what the Media has filled your head with, I guarantee that you will
walk away questioning..(If not, at least with a more open-mind) towards Septemeber 11th

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=57...%2F11&hl=en - This second video is much shorter than the first
but just as good, it shows President Bush in synch to the Attacks on the World Trade Towers, and his reactions to it

Thanks for your time
arson!

I actually use to be on the other side of this debate.

-Why does the melting steel keep coming up? Where in the offical report does it say steel was melted?
-Note that the guy in the video says a 707 at low speed lost in fog. A 707 at low speed has nowhere near the kinetic energy of a 767 at cruise speed.
-2 isolated fire at the lowest floor of the impact.

That video I posted has all the answer for you, all you need to do is look for them

The steel was melted by thermite, open fires ( which is what they were) do not burn at a high enough temperature to melt steel
(No not even with het fuel aiding the fire) the hottest a fire like that could possibly get is 1200 degrees steel does not melt until 2400 degrees(give or take im sure)

Anyway the steel melted by thermite, in turn with explosive charges set to cut the beam at an angle in an attempt to make a cleaner destruction..

An interesting part of the video talks about "Squibs" which used in the Demolition field means something about "puffs" if you will of smoke,concrete
etc.. erupting from the building as it collapses, indicating that the bottom floors were being blown out. The video goes on to show a demonstration
indicating that it Would be impossible for the building to fall as fast as it did, had it encountered the 90+ floors on the way down,
World Trade Tower 1 fell in approx 9 or 10 seconds ( I believe thats what the video shows) taking into account the floors it had to encounter
it should have taken considerably longer - anyway just a little interesting part

also be sure to take into account that World Trade tower 7 was demolished later that day due to (Internal Fires) also ..

NO STEEL WAS MELTED, DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS?

And where is the evidence of thermite being used?

Then why aren't any structual engineers saying they have a problem with the offical theory?

You seem to be assuming quite abit.

Hmm...Is it because they were the first ones claiming that the jet fuel must have melted the steel?

So every structural engineer in the world worked on the investigation? I did not know that.

Again, NO STEEL WAS MELTED. The CTs are the only ones claiming steel was melted.

Sorry, but we aren't doing the same old song and dance yet again. If someone wishes to make a specific claim concerning the events at 9/11, they may begin a thread for that, and the thread will remain on that topic or it will be closed down. The focus on this one is entirely too broad, and it will simply continue on forever without anyone accomplishing anything except a lot of snipin and personal insults.

Once more, threads on 9/11 must be very specific concerning what they wish to discuss.