scorpion_vuk
Jan 7 2007, 07:16 PM
Does anyone know why are they showing this satanistic symbol?
sub_x0ne
Jan 7 2007, 08:38 PM
People usually use that in rock music symbolizing devil horns. Some people would say it's a government conspiracy. I think they just like rock music.
Barek Halfhand
Jan 7 2007, 09:04 PM
Answer: that is NOT a satanic symbol that whole assumption started with Ronnie James Dio replacing Ozzy in Sabbath early 80's "mob rules" era and (as I am quoting from a VH-1 interview)started doing this in concert with Sabbath because it was an old Italian gesture called the "mallooks" or something that his Grandmother used to say was used to WARD OFF evil and it caught on as A satanic symbil I started seeing it mid eighties -motley crues "theater of pain" tour comes to mind then there is Superfly Jimmie Snuka 70's wrestling star used to do a double devil horns before launching a devastating Elbow drop!..... Hey if I can believe in ghosts I can believe wrestling is real cant I?........ .............B
Holy Diver
youv'e been stuck in the middle of a midnight dream
oh whats becoming of me!
Ronnie James Dio
Starr Destin Mathews
Jan 7 2007, 09:07 PM
yeah they're just showing some horns even though they are doing it wrong there is no thumb involved with it.
boorite
Jan 7 2007, 09:58 PM
US Presidents, legislators, televangelists... you don't need some silly hand gesture to tell you these perverts are satanic.
Shankpin
Jan 7 2007, 10:18 PM
personally, I always thought those hand signals like that were ignorant. - but that's just me.
_Nyx_
Jan 7 2007, 10:34 PM
Just the overly used universal gesture for "Rock On" Satan's got nothing to do with it.. unless you're of the mind that rock 'n roll is the Devil's Music
ND-DAVE
Jan 7 2007, 11:38 PM
I agree that it is just a hand gesture. people take them as they personally see them. Kinda like something I heard about Nixon getting of the plane in China and doing his constant had gesture, waving his two fingers which I heard insulted the Chinese. Or even the guy walking through a gang neighborhood and not conscously making a rival gang sign and getting killed for it. I think that if people stopped and accually asked what a person means by that gesture instead of assuming what they think about it there would be less controversy over them I think that in those pictures they're just trying to appease the crowds they're speaking to
pxsavy
Jan 8 2007, 12:02 AM
QUOTE(scorpion_vuk @ Jan 7 2007, 07:16 PM) [snapback]1491321[/snapback]
Does anyone know why are they showing this satanistic symbol?

I think they may like metal music.
kiddglock
Jan 8 2007, 02:01 AM
Bwahhaahahaha I'd think some of y'all would know better. The ones who are doing the "hook-em horns" sign with the thumb extended are simply doing the universal sign language symbol for "love". Superfly always did the "love" symbol, if I remember right. This is the opposite of the common usage of the other symbol with just the index and pinky fingers extended. If you're in Texas, this is the symbol for Texas University Longhorns football-the famous "hook-em horns" which predates its usage in rock arenas. Most rockers probably just figure it means they like rock. Dio used it on one of his album covers. It is commonly called the lI Cornuto sign. Most of the big rock acts of the 70's used it and it has been called the "devil sign". Its origins go back to Sicily where it was supposedly used to cast spells and ward off the evil eye.
Blueguardian
Jan 8 2007, 02:19 AM
or maybe they are trying to get satanists on their side

nah in my opinion i dont think htey even know what it means, their just trying to be cool
Purplos
Jan 8 2007, 03:37 AM
The one with the pinky, pointer, and thumb extended is 'shorthand' (forgive the pun) sign language for "I love you."
The pinky up is an "I" the pointer and thumb make the "L" for love, and the pointer and pinky up is "Y" for you.
How is that a devil's sign?
Barek Halfhand
Jan 8 2007, 04:04 AM
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Bwahhaahahaha I'd think some of y'all would know better. The ones who are doing the "hook-em horns" sign with the thumb extended are simply doing the universal sign language symbol for "love". Superfly always did the "love" symbol, if I remember right. This is the opposite of the common usage of the other symbol with just the index and pinky fingers extended. If you're in Texas, this is the symbol for Texas University Longhorns football-the famous "hook-em horns" which predates its usage in rock arenas. Most rockers probably just figure it means they like rock. Dio used it on one of his album covers. It is commonly called the lI Cornuto sign. Most of the big rock acts of the 70's used it and it has been called the "devil sign". Its origins go back to Sicily where it was supposedly used to cast spells and ward off the evil eye.
every movie need comedic relief i think....B
Lonecat
Jan 8 2007, 10:50 AM
QUOTE(scorpion_vuk @ Jan 7 2007, 07:16 PM) [snapback]1491321[/snapback]
Does anyone know why are they showing this satanistic symbol?

This is a very interesting posting and, curiously enough, I have always considered this a very american
gesture by adoption. Go to any good archaeological museum in Europe and you will be bound to see
little bronze or terra-cotta reprepresentations of this hand gesture which has has its origins far back
in human history. Over here in Europe you can see them on sale in a pink, plastic version on a neck
chain in shops that sell all sorts of gew gaws. I have heard tell that they are intended to ward off
evil or that they are the universal symbol of Love. I think the two really come to the same thing.
I know that this kind of jewelery was used in Roman times. Why do I consider this a very american
gesture? We see SO many american films on television here that one cannot help missing peculiarites
that strike one as odd. I have noticed for example, that, in american films, whenever anybody points
emphatically at another he (nearly always men) makes this gesture with the thumb extended, the middle
two fingers closed and the fist held horizontally, or parallel with the ground. On occasions I have
seen this gesture made in films with the index and little finger (pinky) in a vertical plane. The elbow and upper
arm are held tightly against the body. What? You want I should draw ya a diagram or sump'n?
Ice Wings
Jan 8 2007, 03:06 PM
I thought that just meant "Rock On" haha... I hope it does, becaus I've used it tons of times before.
CaitSith
Jan 8 2007, 03:26 PM
Its obvious they were discussing spider-man at the time that these pictures were taken...
scorpion_vuk
Jan 8 2007, 03:50 PM
this is some info i found on bush
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He snorted cocaine ... He dodged the draft....His friends knew him as an alcoholic womanizer with a bad temper....a complete failure at business until his wealthy friends bailed him out. Yet within a few short years he was elected Governor of Texas, and quickly catapulted into the White House, in spite of losing the popular vote. He was re-elected with last minute help from Osama Bin Laden, in spite of high disapproval ratings. He still couldn't think his way out of a wet paper bag .....and yet he's declared an endless war and instituted some of the most radical political changes in American history ....
scorpion_vuk
Jan 8 2007, 03:54 PM
In Italy, if the "horns", i.e., the stretched fingers, are surreptitiously placed behind someone's head, or explicitly pointed at a person, the conveyed meaning is that that person is being cheated on by his wife or (more rarely) husband. Hence the Italian cornuto, that translates literally to having horns, but figuratively means cuckold. The gesture is also common in Spain (known as los cuernos), Brazil corno and Czech Republic (known as paroháč) and has the same meaning.
To place corna on someone's head when taking a picture is a common joke, and young Italian tourists in foreign countries might be noticed looking nervously over their shoulders when taking group pictures. This was especially effective in the days of film cameras, while today's digital cameras somewhat tend to spoil the surprise effect. This joke is also practiced in other countries, but the index and middle fingers are used, and is known as "rabbit ears". However, the "rabbit ears" gesture does not have any associations with infidelity, and is considered simply as a humorous prank. Ironically, the gesture mimics the horns of Baphomet, showing the "vitim"'s robust sperm count.
The profession most likely to receive the insult cornuto is above all the football referee, since it is customary among Italians (and, it could be argued, all countries with organized sports) to blame one's favourite football team's defeat on to an (allegedly) incompetent, corrupt or otherwise unfit referee. This cliché is so common that it has become a stereotype.
The origin is traced by some as far as the legend of the Minotaur, who was born from queen Pasiphae and a white bull, betraying king Minos of Crete; the most prominent proof of the betrayal, the horned offspring, was taken as its symbol.
Superstition
President of the Italian Republic Giovanni Leone replies with corna to a crowd in PisaWhen confronted with unfortunate events, or just when these are mentioned or suggested, a person wanting to avoid that fate could resort to the corna to ward off bad luck. It is a more vulgar equivalent of knocking on wood. Interestingly, superstitious ones can alternatively "touch iron" (tocca ferro), which is not considered as vulgar, or grab their testicles, which is considered very vulgar, but is perhaps the most commonplace of the three. All of these gestures are meant to somehow conjure some supernatural power to protect the performer of the gesture.
Such gestures are typically used when a black cat crosses one's path, when seeing a hearse (no matter whether it is loaded), or when encountering any situation, object or person believed to bring about bad luck. It was once thought to prevent or distract the effects of the Evil Eye, that is of intentional or directed curses. Historically the gesture was pointed at people suspected of being witches.
President of the Italian Republic Giovanni Leone shocked the country when, visiting Naples during an outbreak of cholera, shook the hands of the patients with one hand, and with the other, behind the back, made the corna. This act was well documented, as all journalists and photographers were right behind him, a fact that had escaped President Leone's mind in that moment. The gesture was interpreted especially as offensive for the patients.
Satanism
Anton LaVey popularized it as the Satanic salute in the 1960s. His image was often in the press, and the sign appears on many of his photos, such as on the back of the Satanic Bible. It is still used by Satanists everywhere. Many rockers such as King Diamond and Marilyn Manson are associated with The Church of Satan, contributing to the sign's popularity in heavy metal circles (see below).
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The cover of Holy Diver (1983) by Dio contains a demon displaying the gesture.Gene Simmons claimed to have first introduced the sign to heavy metal, when he was shown extending his little finger on the cover of KISS' 1977 album Love Gun, although his claim is disputed: "A casual glance at this [album] cover would suggest he is correct. However, there are two points of contention that refute this. First of all, he is holding it [his hand] to his side, jutting from his hip ... Secondly, and most importantly, he isn't really making the sign! We have enlarged the section of the artwork ... to show that his thumb isn't covering his middle two fingers but resting at the side of his index finger." On the other hand Gene Simmons has, even before the Love Gun LP, showed this sign on stage or during photo sessions (for example Japan, April 1977). Gene was inspired by 60's Marvel comics, especially Dr Strange and also Spider-Man. However some believe that the British Heavy metal band Iron Maiden first associated the sign to heavy metal. The grandmother of one of the members of the band had shown it to him when he was little and it was soon adopted as the "Metal Sign".
In heavy metal music, Ronnie James Dio also used this sign. His Italian grandmother used it to ward off the evil eye (malocchio). Dio began using the sign soon after joining (1979) the metal band Black Sabbath. The previous singer in the band, Ozzy Osbourne, was rather well known at using the "peace" sign at concerts, raising the index and middle finger in the form of a V. Dio, in an attempt to connect with the fans in a similar manner to Ozzy, wanted to use a similar hand gesture. However, not wanting to copy Osbourne, he chose to use the sign his grandmother always made. Both accounts are predated by the Chicago based psychedelic-Goth band Coven, lead by singer Jinx Dawson who made the gesture on their 1969 album cover for "Witchcraft Destroys Minds and Reaps Souls", incidentally, the band also wrote a song called "Black Sabbath" and one of the band members was named Oz Osborne, not to be confused with Ozzy Osbourne of Black Sabbath fame. This is a much truer origin of the hand sign and of the seeds of Heavy Metal.
From Metal-Rules.com: "I want to ask you about something people have asked you about before but will no doubt continue to talk about, and that is the sign created by raising your index and little finger. Some call it the "devils hand" or the "evil eye." I would like to know if you were the first one to introduce this to the metal world and what this symbol represents to you?"
RJD: I doubt very much if I would be the first one who ever did that. That's like saying I invented the wheel, I'm sure someone did that at some other point. I think you'd have to say that I made it fashionable. I used it so much and all the time and it had become my trademark until the Britney Spears audience decided to do it as well. So it kind of lost it's meaning with that. But it was…I was in Sabbath at the time. It was symbol that I thought was reflective of what that band was supposed to be all about. It's NOT the devil's sign like we're here with the devil. It's an Italian thing I got from my Grandmother called the "Malocchio". It's to ward off the Evil Eye or to give the Evil Eye, depending on which way you do it. It's just a symbol but it had magical incantations and attitudes to it and I felt it worked very well with Sabbath. So I became very noted for it and then everybody else started to pick up on it and away it went. But I would never say I take credit for being the first to do it. I say because I did it so much that it became the symbol of rock and roll of some kind.
Metal fans displaying the sign at a festival.Whatever its origin in the heavy metal scene, metal fans embraced the gesture as a vague symbol of mysticism, Satan, evil, or simply "metal-ness", and it soon became nearly as commonplace at concerts as headbanging. The gesture has since spread beyond metal to all forms of rock music and it is now nearly ubiquitous. In rock situations the gesture is interpreted as a benign gesture for "Rock on." Occasionally it is confused by fans with the "I Love You" sign, in which the thumb is extended. Gene Simmons shows his sign mainly in this way. In Europe, the sign (without the thumb extended) has both meanings, one as a widely accepted "sign of metalheads" and the other meaning, which is simply to communicate to the band (mostly heavy metal-bands) that you love them and their music.
Rock fans often use the hand gesture in electronic conversations also, for group identification. It's usual to express it with the letters "l", "m" and "l" put together. The formed lml symbol supposedly remind the conformation of the fingers in the actual gesture. An alternative method of expressing the symbol in written and typed text is to use the forward and back slashes, to create the symbol \m/ or \,,/. Some even make ASCII faces to go with the sign, such as \m|(`o´)|m/.
The spelling "mano cornuto" is erroneous, the grammatical gender of the word mano (meaning "hand") is actually feminine (la mano), and the expression should therefore be "mano cornuta", to be pronounced /ma'no kornu'ta/. However, the form "mano cornuto" is commonly found in English and German.
~Onyx~
Jan 8 2007, 09:08 PM
So, we've been reduced to "hand gestures" now? What the heck is Ghostly, Haunting, or Paranormal about Sabbath AFTER Ozzie, Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka, or The University Of Texas?
CaitSith
Jan 9 2007, 03:46 PM
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So, we've been reduced to "hand gestures" now? What the heck is Ghostly, Haunting, or Paranormal about Sabbath AFTER Ozzie, Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka, or The University Of Texas?
Comeon Texas is kind of spooky