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666XZ
what do you think about this types of aliens

The Greys

The greys are the most commonly identified alien race in UFOlogy and the alien abduction phenomenon. There are many different views, stories and theories concerning them ranging from the different New Age views to the different Scientific, and conspiracy theorist views.


Scientific Community

The Greys are the most commonly described race by abduction victims. In this view they are considered a race with an unknown motives, and agendas. They seem to be abducting, studying, testing and using various individuals, usually recorded following family trees for their unknown reasons.



New Age Movement
In the new age movement the Greys are often associated as an evil race, or a race with bad energy. Due to the methods of acquisition of abductees, the race is feared by many of those who are selected. They are often associated with other races, such as the Reptoids whose reasons are also unknown.



Conspiracy Theorists

The different conspiracy theories are often a mix of the scientific and new age views. The standard conspiracy base states that the Greys crashed one or more of their space ships, one in Roswell, NM in 1947. The US Government recovered them, and have reverse-engineered the technology to bring about most of the advanced tech that we have today. The Government then made a secret treaty with the Greys allowing them to abduct human beings in exchange for more advanced technology.

Types of Greys

Their are descriptions of several types of Greys: they are all humanoid in appearance, an almond-shaped head, two large black lidless eyes, two arms, hands with no thumbs, legs, and feet. Small mouths and nostrils have been noticed as well. All tend to appear greyish in color, either their skin color or some form of clothing. Their name is obviously representative of their description.


Type A

This is the type most commonly referred to as the greys. They are normally about 4.5 ft tall with large heads and black "wrap around" eyes. They have limited facial features, slit mouth and no nose to speak of. They have evolved beyond the need for reproductive systems or digestive systems and reproduce by cloning.
Their genetics are partly based on insectoidal genetics. Their science deals largely with the study of other life forms and genetic engineering. They have supposedly had a part to play in the alteration of human genetics over thousands of years. It seems that they may be trying to cross breed with humans in order to create a "hybrid race" that would be the best of both worlds, literally! Another theory concerning their lack of reproduction is that they are a dying race and

The greys seem to be emotionless (by human standards) and therefore are seen as cruel in their treatment of human beings. They are able to take human lives without any regard for that individual.


Type B


Tall Greys from Orion. Usually about 7 to 8 ft. tall (reports often exaggerate their height as being 9 to 12 ft.) with facial feature somewhat similar to grey type A with the exception of the large nose found on type B greys. These greys also have technologies that allow them to perform certain actions that appear "miraculous." These greys are less viscous towards humans than type A greys. They tend to influence more through political controls and negotiated agreements with those in power. Supposedly the type seen long ago in Eastern Russia


Type C


These are the shortest of the greys and tend to be about 3.5 ft. tall. Their facial features are very similar to the Zeta Reticuli greys and are of the same root race. They are just as hostile to humans as the Zetas. They are from a star system near the shoulder of Orion called Bellatrax.

The most commonly seen grey is around two to four feet tall, very slender and delicate looking, they are small beings and light weight, extremely penetrating black slanted eyes with no pupils, almost vestigial mouth and nose, a very large head with a pointed chin. The skin color varies from dark grey to light grey, tan to tanish grey, white to pale white. They have no hair on their bodies.
There have also been many report of cross breeds that are both human and grey. These are explained as hybrids, a cross between the races. They have more of the physical appearance and physical strength of humans, however much broader powers of the mind.
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MoonPrincess
Thanks for the info. I've never liked The Grays. From what I heard about them though. ^^
Moro
I've read something like this before somewhere on the internet!
Do you have a link?

~Moro
Fluffybunny
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666XZ
QUOTE(Moro Bumbleroot @ Jan 13 2007, 02:40 AM) [snapback]1499182[/snapback]
I've read something like this before somewhere on the internet!
Do you have a link?

~Moro


no i don't have a link. but this file stragely appear in my docoments after puting my cumputer in destructive recovery and when i saw my files these file was in my cumputer adon't know how this folder got in to my cumputer. wacko.gif
666XZ
QUOTE(WaltFreakinWhitman @ Jan 13 2007, 02:59 AM) [snapback]1499207[/snapback]


thanks
WaltFreakinWhitman
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Moro
I found the link!

Link - Alien Races
666XZ
now wiht all this links we should be able to know how and alien might look like
when.i.am.queen.
Yipeee!
Kleon
Interesting ... But isn't it just "not quite right" to call these "true", I mean, we're still arguing about the concept itself! mellow.gif
Lilly
The problem is; where's the irrefutable evidence that any of these alien races actually exist? Until such time as definitive/irrefutable evidence is presented, this kind of thing is simply fanciful speculation.

Personally, I like this alien: linked-image
KGS3333
QUOTE(Lilly @ Jan 13 2007, 03:08 PM) [snapback]1499745[/snapback]
The problem is; where's the irrefutable evidence that any of these alien races actually exist? Until such time as definitive/irrefutable evidence is presented, this kind of thing is simply fanciful speculation.

Personally, I like this alien: linked-image


That's the sad thing. There are so many people out there who are willing to perperate hoaxes or simply jump to conclusions when they see or experience something that they don't understand, that the whole truth of the matter becomes distorted and in the end unknowable.

KGS
Pax Unum
Why do you just list the grays as true aliens? There are claims of many kinds of aliens...

AGHARIANS - (or Aghartians)
ALPHA-DRACONIANS
ALTAIRIANS
AMPHIBIANS
ANAKIM
ANDROMEDAS
ANUNNAKI
ANTARCTICAN
ARCTURIANS
ATLANS
BIAVILANS
BIG FOOT
BERNARIANS
BOOTEANS
BURROWERS
BUTTAHS
CETIANS
CHAMELEON
DINOSAUROIDS
DRACOS (Mothmen)
DRACO-BORGS
DRAGONWORMS
DWARFS
DROPAS
ELS
EVA-BORGS
GIZAN - (or Gizahn)
GRAILS
GREENS, THE
GREYS, THE
DEROS
GYPSIES
HAV-MUSUVS - (or Suvians)
HOMINS
HU-BRID
HYADEANS
HYBRIDS -Reptilian
HYBRID-GREY
HUMAN TYPE A
HUMAN TYPE B
HUMAN TYPE C
IGUANOIDS
IKELS OR SATYRS
INSIDERS
JANOSIAN
JAWAS
KORENDIAN
LEVIATHANS
LYRAN
MARTIANS
MIB'S
MOON-EYES, THE
MOTHMEN
NAGAS
NORDICS
ORANGE, THE
ORIONS
REPTILIAN (DRACONIAN, SERPENT)
ZOMBIES

Of course there's no evidence that any of these actually exist... I wonder if the Klingons and Romulans feel left out grin2.gif

LINK-> Known Types of Aliens and Races
Graylady
didn't the members of THE DISCLOUSER PROJECT said that there is atleast 48 know alien races visiting the earth....

It freaked me out when they said that one group can see through dark and can even identify the color into the dark..weird... blink.gif
MoonPrincess
Who knows, Graylady. I only know of The Grays & The Repitals visiting Earth. <<
ufo guy

good info
m. Moe
QUOTE(killer666 @ Jan 12 2007, 07:57 PM) [snapback]1499203[/snapback]
no i don't have a link. but this file stragely appear in my docoments after puting my cumputer in destructive recovery and when i saw my files these file was in my cumputer adon't know how this folder got in to my cumputer. wacko.gif

Files don't just magically appear in your computer.

I see no point in classifying extra terrestrials when we don't even know if they exist.
Moro
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I see no point in classifying extra terrestrials when we don't even know if they exist.
I can agree with that, but there are people out there that think all different kinds of aliens exist!
I personaly would just like to know how they came up with this information.
isis-999
Sense we have yet to meet any of these's guy's for real i wonder how all this information as been gathered?....
Pax Unum
QUOTE(Moro Bumbleroot @ Jan 14 2007, 04:51 PM) [snapback]1501430[/snapback]
I personaly would just like to know how they came up with this information.

probably the same way as all the information about the Star Trek aliens...
Star Trek Alien Species
or the Star Wars aliens
Aliens & Creatures Update
Ultimate Alien Anthology
I'm guessing an active imagination... grin2.gif
ChupaCabra_researcher
QUOTE(Pax Unum @ Jan 13 2007, 04:49 PM) [snapback]1499779[/snapback]
Why do you just list the grays as true aliens? There are claims of many kinds of aliens...

AGHARIANS - (or Aghartians)
ALPHA-DRACONIANS
ALTAIRIANS
AMPHIBIANS
ANAKIM
ANDROMEDAS
ANUNNAKI
ANTARCTICAN
ARCTURIANS
ATLANS
BIAVILANS
BIG FOOT
BERNARIANS
BOOTEANS
BURROWERS
BUTTAHS
CETIANS
CHAMELEON
DINOSAUROIDS
DRACOS (Mothmen)
DRACO-BORGS
DRAGONWORMS
DWARFS
DROPAS
ELS
EVA-BORGS
GIZAN - (or Gizahn)
GRAILS
GREENS, THE
GREYS, THE
DEROS
GYPSIES
HAV-MUSUVS - (or Suvians)
HOMINS
HU-BRID
HYADEANS
HYBRIDS -Reptilian
HYBRID-GREY
HUMAN TYPE A
HUMAN TYPE B
HUMAN TYPE C
IGUANOIDS
IKELS OR SATYRS
INSIDERS
JANOSIAN
JAWAS
KORENDIAN
LEVIATHANS
LYRAN
MARTIANS
MIB'S
MOON-EYES, THE
MOTHMEN
NAGAS
NORDICS
ORANGE, THE
ORIONS
REPTILIAN (DRACONIAN, SERPENT)
ZOMBIES

Of course there's no evidence that any of these actually exist... I wonder if the Klingons and Romulans feel left out grin2.gif

LINK-> Known Types of Aliens and Races


These predicts are from Edgar Cayce (1877-1945)
kobie
QUOTE(ChupaCabra_researcher @ Jan 15 2007, 09:29 AM) [snapback]1501904[/snapback]
These predicts are from Edgar Cayce (1877-1945)


are they really? i didnt expect that one.......

Well par all of the list of supposed other civilizations,i think to try and disprove other viable life would be foolish, we all know using are miraculous brains that to speek of that there is know proof are still living in the dark ages with a dark age conceptual way of thinking and whoever thinks like that might as well say the worlds flat and rome is the centre of the world!

one day we will evidential have proof but will that be when we blow them out of the sky just because there within our air space, what people should speak of is our course of action in one of these events....

i can imagine people that are skeptical about extraterrestrial life will run about like headless chickens.....Ha ha....

you know you will you cant help it,its in your genes! laugh.gif
MVxK
QUOTE(MR_MOE @ Jan 14 2007, 10:45 PM) [snapback]1501423[/snapback]
Files don't just magically appear in your computer.

I see no point in classifying extra terrestrials when we don't even know if they exist.


Exactly, its something too many people do on this forum - build speculation onto speculation. Talk about counting your chickens before they've hatched.....
Atheist God
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didn't the members of THE DISCLOUSER PROJECT said that there is atleast 48 know alien races visiting the earth....

It freaked me out when they said that one group can see through dark and can even identify the color into the dark..weird... blink.gif
I for one will say right here and now that this is absolutly not true. I have heard many make these exact same types of claims and none will ever provide anything to back it up.

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Who knows, Graylady. I only know of The Grays & The Repitals visiting Earth. <<


Got anything to back this up cause as far as I know there is no proof of alien/human contact.

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I can agree with that, but there are people out there that think all different kinds of aliens exist!
I personaly would just like to know how they came up with this information.


Vivid imaginations?

===

Now without a doubt in my mind there are other civilizations in our own galaxy as least with our technological capabilities or higher. However the chances of the visiting are smaller then trying to find a specific grain of sand on a beach.
kobie
QUOTE(GanjaGuru @ Jan 15 2007, 11:30 AM) [snapback]1501971[/snapback]
I for one will say right here and now that this is absolutly not true. I have heard many make these exact same types of claims and none will ever provide anything to back it up.
Got anything to back this up cause as far as I know there is no proof of alien/human contact.
Vivid imaginations?

===

Now without a doubt in my mind there are other civilizations in our own galaxy as least with our technological capabilities or higher. However the chances of the visiting are smaller then trying to find a specific grain of sand on a beach.


i quote to the last bit of your sentence as i too think these list of extraterrestrials are exaggerated to a degree,but i wont demote the saying to wether they exist(other civilizations in general) as logically speaking its without a doubt they do but it is then calculated wether there technology is advanced enough and wether they found us,these are two main factors which tell us about the limitations of visitation,and like its stated before we can only go by the credible ufo explanations to make this just but in the same breath how credible are they...we devote our knowledge on facts and physical practualitys even then we are hard to side with active facts because of our natural dis-belief and skepticism we carrie.

its the same as ghost and spiritual encounters,until the hard scientific community attain credible testify-able evidence then it will remain a complete illusion in there eyes.
Atheist God
QUOTE(kobie @ Jan 15 2007, 05:45 AM) [snapback]1501977[/snapback]
i quote to the last bit of your sentence as i too think these list of extraterrestrials are exaggerated to a degree,but i wont demote the saying to wether they exist(other civilizations in general) as logically speaking its without a doubt they do but it is then calculated wether there technology is advanced enough and wether they found us,these are two main factors which tell us about the limitations of visitation,and like its stated before we can only go by the credible ufo explanations to make this just but in the same breath how credible are they...we devote our knowledge on facts and physical practualitys even then we are hard to side with active facts because of our natural dis-belief and skepticism we carrie.

its the same as ghost and spiritual encounters,until the hard scientific community attain credible testify-able evidence then it will remain a complete illusion in there eyes.


I can prove that life can exist at least as smart as humans on a planet probably not all the disimilar to our own. Earth and it's inhabitants sentient or not are proof positive that life can develope elseware even though the chances are small it is proof.

Then I look at the diversity of life and how radically different some species are compared to us like squid and jellyfish for example. This leads me to the conclusion that life on other planets must be equally diverse. Logically intellegent alien life must be even more diverse as the life on our globe each species has it's own features and structure. This is why i don't beleive in greys or reptillians because logically they are too earthly to be alien. Reptiles for example are native to Earth and the likelyhood of finding a species of reptile on another planet is slim to nill. Greys for example have to many human features to be real ie 2 eyes, nose, mouth, 2 arms, 2 legs, similar shape and structure to humans etc. Aliens when we do find them will be as unique as we are and as different to us as we are to a jellyfish. The possibilities for what such a life form could look like are endless and thus not easily comprehensible to us as we are the only model of intellegent life in the universe so far.
kobie
QUOTE(GanjaGuru @ Jan 15 2007, 12:24 PM) [snapback]1502005[/snapback]
I can prove that life can exist at least as smart as humans on a planet probably not all the disimilar to our own. Earth and it's inhabitants sentient or not are proof positive that life can develope elseware even though the chances are small it is proof.

Then I look at the diversity of life and how radically different some species are compared to us like squid and jellyfish for example. This leads me to the conclusion that life on other planets must be equally diverse. Logically intellegent alien life must be even more diverse as the life on our globe each species has it's own features and structure. This is why i don't beleive in greys or reptillians because logically they are too earthly to be alien. Reptiles for example are native to Earth and the likelyhood of finding a species of reptile on another planet is slim to nill. Greys for example have to many human features to be real ie 2 eyes, nose, mouth, 2 arms, 2 legs, similar shape and structure to humans etc. Aliens when we do find them will be as unique as we are and as different to us as we are to a jellyfish. The possibilities for what such a life form could look like are endless and thus not easily comprehensible to us as we are the only model of intellegent life in the universe so far.


yes the diversity is endless and our Biosphere is unique to us,it is possible though to find similar species to our own statically but as you say the difference all depend on chemical composition makeup ,biosphere makeup and all other manner of factors even to planets pressure and position,size...the list goes on.
Atheist God
QUOTE(kobie @ Jan 15 2007, 06:40 AM) [snapback]1502017[/snapback]
yes the diversity is endless and our Biosphere is unique to us,it is possible though to find similar species to our own statically but as you say the difference all depend on chemical composition makeup ,biosphere makeup and all other manner of factors even to planets pressure and position,size...the list goes on.


Exactly there are simply to many variables these wingnuts aren't taking into account. While it is a possibility to find another humanoid species in the universe it is a very, very low probability that we will ever find another species that looks like us. Infact it is so low I often tell people not to count on it as it is a near impossibility statistically speaking anyway.
kobie
QUOTE(GanjaGuru @ Jan 15 2007, 01:06 PM) [snapback]1502031[/snapback]
Exactly there are simply to many variables these wingnuts aren't taking into account. While it is a possibility to find another humanoid species in the universe it is a very, very low probability that we will ever find another species that looks like us. Infact it is so low I often tell people not to count on it as it is a near impossibility statistically speaking anyway.


laugh.gif

Im interested in the uninhabited worlds that consist of no advanced species.imagine the potential of finding a perfect untouched eden then scan through the species of animals for that wright advocate to genetically modify and splice genes,and create a new species of human,let it adapt to its new habitat with its potential to learn, let it grow and leave to mature for a generation or two?maybe 5....then come forth in our wonderful ships of light give them some commandments and then fly off for them to get on with it.... laugh.gif

only joking....you are wright,as we know and is reapet in astrobiology life has more faces than we could imagine and it rules a line through are stereo typical vision on the definition of life.
m. Moe
QUOTE(Moro Bumbleroot @ Jan 14 2007, 03:51 PM) [snapback]1501430[/snapback]
I can agree with that, but there are people out there that think all different kinds of aliens exist!
I personaly would just like to know how they came up with this information.

They spin around in a circle 265 times and they try to contact sasquatch telaphically. From there saquatch tells them a code to type into Limewire and a file magically pops up in their computer. It's a long and complicated process.

Actually, from what I have read, they use a ouija board. rolleyes.gif
uth
If I recall, in the 1979 book 'The Andreasson Affair' by Raymond Fowler, it was claimed that there were 70 races were visiting Earth, and all but one race had good intentions. This information supposedly came from the beings themselves.

Now as a disclaimer, I am not claiming to have true knowledge here, I'm just passing along what I've read. The alien question is far too confusing, twisted and murky, I can't decide if they are truly aliens, spiritual beings, multidimensional beings, creations of our collective imaginations, or complete fabrications. I believe there is something to the UFO phenomenon, but no longer believe for 'certain' that they are alien vehicles.
Atheist God
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If I recall, in the 1979 book 'The Andreasson Affair' by Raymond Fowler, it was claimed that there were 70 races were visiting Earth, and all but one race had good intentions. This information supposedly came from the beings themselves.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence... I personally think these people writing such fictional peices have as i have said before vivid imaginations.

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Now as a disclaimer, I am not claiming to have true knowledge here, I'm just passing along what I've read. The alien question is far too confusing, twisted and murky, I can't decide if they are truly aliens, spiritual beings, multidimensional beings, creations of our collective imaginations, or complete fabrications. I believe there is something to the UFO phenomenon, but no longer believe for 'certain' that they are alien vehicles.


UFO's exist the proof is in the large numbers of sightings where as abduction cases on the otherhand are signifigantly lower. Thousands of UFO reports from all around the world every year is more then enough evidence that something is going on. However I agree with you that there is simply no way we can say what they are.

The real question is who or what are controlling them, the fact is there has never been anything conclusive that either disproves or proves what all of these things are.
Blueguardian
and here i thought zombies were walking dead things
morrison1976
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Exactly, its something too many people do on this forum - build speculation onto speculation. Talk about counting your chickens before they've hatched..


Just like there are some people on this site who dont really know what they are talking about, and come out with the same old blurry photos, fuzzy videos, wackos, hoaxer blah blah blah. Same people who i dont seem to see get dug into a good ufo case, i wonder why! They only pop on here once in a while to say the same old rubbish. I wonder who they are!!! whistling2.gif thumbdown.gif rofl.gif
*EnIgMa*
QUOTE(GanjaGuru @ Jan 15 2007, 09:21 PM) [snapback]1502984[/snapback]
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence... I personally think these people writing such fictional peices have as i have said before vivid imaginations.

Right. Or they just don't have the ability to understand that just because someone says something, doesn't mean it's true.
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UFO's exist the proof is in the large numbers of sightings where as abduction cases on the otherhand are signifigantly lower. Thousands of UFO reports from all around the world every year is more then enough evidence that something is going on. However I agree with you that there is simply no way we can say what they are.

The real question is who or what are controlling them, the fact is there has never been anything conclusive that either disproves or proves what all of these things are.

I actually agree with you whole-heartedly here. To brush off all other explanations, and to commit yourself to just one is not only illogical, but a bit harmful if you think about it.
uth
QUOTE(GanjaGuru @ Jan 16 2007, 02:21 AM) [snapback]1502984[/snapback]
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence... I personally think these people writing such fictional peices have as i have said before vivid imaginations.
UFO's exist the proof is in the large numbers of sightings where as abduction cases on the otherhand are signifigantly lower. Thousands of UFO reports from all around the world every year is more then enough evidence that something is going on. However I agree with you that there is simply no way we can say what they are.

The real question is who or what are controlling them, the fact is there has never been anything conclusive that either disproves or proves what all of these things are.


Right, but I would extend that to say that there is --something-- behind the abduction phenoma also. The sheer number of stories that come from sane, non-attention seeking people seems to suggest that.

But I just don't know if they are truly alien abductions, sleep paralyis alone, some sort of collective unconsciousness thing, Militry/Black/Psych Ops, or OBEs or whatever...

But I separate these stories from UFOs because when you group all seemingly UFO related phenomenon together, you end up with weird narratives of abductions, crop circles, MIBS, black helicoptors, secret conspiracies and shape shifting reptillian world leaders-- stuff that will never be studied seriously. So it's best to compartmentalize- UFOs are weird lights and flying objects that defy conventional explanations, and that's all we know for sure-- period.

*EnIgMa*
QUOTE(uth @ Jan 16 2007, 01:55 PM) [snapback]1503945[/snapback]
Right, but I would extend that to say that there is --something-- behind the abduction phenoma also. The sheer number of stories that come from sane, non-attention seeking people seems to suggest that.

But I just don't know if they are truly alien abductions, sleep paralyis alone, some sort of collective unconsciousness thing, Militry/Black/Psych Ops, or OBEs or whatever...

But I separate these stories from UFOs because when you group all seemingly UFO related phenomenon together, you end up with weird narratives of abductions, crop circles, MIBS, black helicoptors, secret conspiracies and shape shifting reptillian world leaders-- stuff that will never be studied seriously. So it's best to compartmentalize- UFOs are weird lights and flying objects that defy conventional explanations, and that's all we know for sure-- period.

Very intelligent post. thumbsup.gif

I have learned this aswell. The UFO field carries a whole load of baggage with it. Like you pointed out, it's best to compartmentalize.
Atheist God
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Right, but I would extend that to say that there is --something-- behind the abduction phenoma also. The sheer number of stories that come from sane, non-attention seeking people seems to suggest that.
I would agree that something is at play there but isn't it ironic that 90 to 95% of the abduction stories happen when people are in bed. To be realistic also there aren't that many abduction cases or at least when compared to the sheer numbers of UFO sightings a year. The thing is if these people weren't seeking attention it isn't very likely they would tell anyone out of fear of being ridiculed...I would'nt anyway. There is an explanation for this phenomenon which could any large number of possible ones.

If I were a Ufologist I would not even look at an abduction case I would keep my area of focus around the UFO's in the skies and try to assertain what the hell is flying around.

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But I just don't know if they are truly alien abductions, sleep paralyis alone, some sort of collective unconsciousness thing, Militry/Black/Psych Ops, or OBEs or whatever...


Think of it this way if an alien species was visiting and they wanted to learn how the human body works etc don't you think they would have figured it out. Any species capable of Interstellar or Intergalactic travel would logically have medical technologies we could not begin to fathom. People have supposedly been abducted and studied for what 40 or so years now, this to me is the biggest flaw in the alien abduction theory.
There is also another group of supposed abductees who say the aliens tell them the future or talk of some federation like on Trek etc. This to me really takes away from the credibility of their claims. Now I won't call these people liars because maybe they actually beleive what they are saying. Unlike UFO's in which and entire plethra of evidence exists both government and civilian, the abduction theory relies on mere hear say alone.

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But I separate these stories from UFOs because when you group all seemingly UFO related phenomenon together, you end up with weird narratives of abductions, crop circles, MIBS, black helicoptors, secret conspiracies and shape shifting reptillian world leaders-- stuff that will never be studied seriously. So it's best to compartmentalize- UFOs are weird lights and flying objects that defy conventional explanations, and that's all we know for sure-- period.
I agree each one of these areas should be looked into seperatly.

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Just like there are some people on this site who dont really know what they are talking about, and come out with the same old blurry photos, fuzzy videos, wackos, hoaxer blah blah blah. Same people who i dont seem to see get dug into a good ufo case, i wonder why! They only pop on here once in a while to say the same old rubbish. I wonder who they are!!! whistling2.gif thumbdown.gif rofl.gif


In this case when someone is claiming that there are 40 or 50 or sometimes even hundreds of alien species visiting Earth with absolutly nothing but hear say to back it up, then only one of two possibilities seem likely.

1: Liars
2: Wacko

The chances that anyone knows this for sure are so remote i dare not calculate the odds.

I look at Roswell for example and I am kinda in the middle of the debate because I will agree with the ufologists that some type craft went down. On the other hand There was an airbase nearby in which scientists from project paperclip were working on rocket systems with the US air force. While it may only be circumstantial and I can't say forsure I will meet UFO buffs in the middle.
Al Bundy
GYPSIES?
uth
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If I were a Ufologist I would not even look at an abduction case I would keep my area of focus around the UFO's in the skies and try to assertain what the hell is flying around.
I agree, that area needs it's credibility restored. Everything else is speculative and should be taken with a grain of salt.

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Think of it this way if an alien species was visiting and they wanted to learn how the human body works etc don't you think they would have figured it out. Any species capable of Interstellar or Intergalactic travel would logically have medical technologies we could not begin to fathom. People have supposedly been abducted and studied for what 40 or so years now, this to me is the biggest flaw in the alien abduction theory.


To be fair, that doesn't seem to be what is reported/ The abduction reports more often seem to indicate that there is some sort of breeding program going on. Either to create hybrids for some reason, or improved Humans. It could certainly take many visits and years to get the breeding just right.

Our own scientists, when studying animals in the wild, often tranquilize them, bring them into a examining room, tag them with radio tags so they can find them again, but other than that just try to observe from a distance and not interfere in the day to day life of the specimens. This sounds very much like the methodology that the supposed Aliens use. So that much of it sounds at least plausible to me.

But where I have a hard time accepting it is 1) the sheer number of people reporting abductions (in the millions by the polls). 2) Some abilities reported of the supposed 'Aliens'- walking through solid walls, 'freezing' other people in the area so they can't see the abduction happen. 3) screen memories- If the aliens have the ability to place screen memories to cover up the experience, how do you know then that the abuction itself is a real memory?

Also, if they have these abilities to be so covert, then why would anyone witness their craft at all? Why do they supposedly crash so much?

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There is also another group of supposed abductees who say the aliens tell them the future or talk of some federation like on Trek etc. This to me really takes away from the credibility of their claims. Now I won't call these people liars because maybe they actually beleive what they are saying. Unlike UFO's in which and entire plethra of evidence exists both government and civilian, the abduction theory relies on mere hear say alone.


yes that kind of stuff makes it hard to believe as well. It also makes it hard to separate what might be culturally influenced false memories from what is actually at the root of the abduction incident (assuming the claimant isn't cracked, or making it all up of course).



666XZ
go to this site http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sW8jf1qS5o
Osirian
My experiences date back to early childhood. Earliest memories exclude any contact with grays. Instead, all memories correlate instead with very tall and powerfully built ones instead. Most of these types of beings were well over (from what I could tell) 7 feet. Gender was indistinguishable, but in typical abductee fashion, I was on a table and couldn't concentrate on that aspect of them.

I also want to emphasize that none of my experiences were "bad" or "evil". Instead, like many other people, I saw these Beings as being highly benevolent, and they were concerned with the Earth's environmental state as well as well being. These events probably played a great role in my strong involvement with all types of environmentalism over the years, as well as my aversion to materialism and the standard "get a job so you can get money, find a wife and settle down, and have kids" scenario - preferring instead to be an activist in socio-political issues and traveling almost nonstop to various countries during a ten year period from 1991 to 2001 (personal website to be launched in June or July).

Several other instances occurred over the years, with one of my clearest and most recent events having occurred approximately four hundred miles north of Montreal, Quebec, Canada back in 1999. A friend of mine and I were out moose hunting and we had put up for the night in an old trapper's camp. That night, I feel I was tested to see if I would be ready to see these Beings while fully awake and sentient. I was awakened four to five times that night, to look under the door by the fireplace and I could clearly see what looked like a very heavy entity passing back and forth across the doorway with the moon shining behind it. The entity never came inside the camp. I felt I was being asked to go outside instead - I suppose to see if I was ready to see these entities without being placed under "trance". I failed - preferring instead to stay inside the camp. My friend and his children were sleeping in the beds next to mine and try as I might, I could not wake them up while this was occurring.

And that's about it. Other than those times, most of the other types of contact were in dream form.

To me anyhow, they were anything but evil or malevolent. And I have the strong suspicion that although the race I dealt with are much stronger than even our most powerful weightlifters and strongmen, these Beings genuinely care for us and would not under normal circumstances even think of hurting us physically. And it's almost silly as an afterthought to mention this, but I want to also state that many of these Beings could only be considered - in their natural and uncloaked forms - to be perfect in symmetry and facial features. "Gorgeous" is too underpowered a term for them. Others of course might challenge us in terms of getting to accept them.

And that's about it. Didn't want to turn this into a big "contactee" spiel, but I just wanted to clarify that amongst the many types of EBEs said to exist, none of mine seemed to include the Grays. However, on a cosmic level, I would say that regardless of their alignment with us, every one of those Beings should and must be considered as family. Just as a certain family member can be considered as "evil" or "gone wrong" but are still "loved" by their own family members, so it should be with them.
lost_shaman
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And that's about it. Other than those times, most of the other types of contact were in dream form.


In other words you "dreamed" about "contact", but it wasn't any type of physical reality and had absolutely nothing to do whatsoever with the UAP/UFO phenomena that we are discussing as a true scientific mystery.


Lilly
I once dreamed that I ran into Klingons in my neighbors back field...does that count? linked-image
Osirian
If you bother to read ANY of the abduction experiences, you will undoubtably find that in the beginning stages, most experiencers find that their memories return in the form of dreams first before they become actual memories. And no, not all of my experiences were in dream form. Three occurred while I was wide awake. I mentioned one of them in my post (or did you bother to read that far?).

By the way, I am Native American, and I take severe offense to the idea that you ridicule phenomena and methodology (taking guidance from dreams and visions) that has been an integral part of my culture for tens of thousands of years. But since your culture basically consists of stealing and destroying everything from resources to other cultures, I suppose the behavior is bred into you. Your avatar attests to that.

I don't need your negativity, and from reading your posts, it seems this attitude seems prevalent. Welcome to my Block List - along with other distinguished losers such as Colbert Nation and Knott.

[edit: not you Lilly. I can sense the humor in your post. I meant Lost_Shaman)
Exeter
The only true aliens are those who chose to distance themselves from the rest of humanity.
Osirian
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Exeter
You misunderstand my point. What I mean by humanity are those around us who would benefit from what we have to offer; meaning guidance, knowledge, caring, among other things.

Anyone who chooses to ignore those around him/her may as well be living on another planet.
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