okay, i myself have read the bible...i have studied Hinduism...i have read the way of the Dao...i have even had debates and conversations with a very good Jewish friend of mine...

and yet i cant seem to stick to one religion.
i read new things and i know I'm definately keeping an open mind, but i just cant seem to believe in one religion.
I personally believe in all religions and in none at all...
is that weird?

i mean, I believe in certain aspects of every single religion that I've read about (mostly Hinduism) and i combine them all to create my own religion.

do any of you think that this is wrong?

You're living your religion.
Everything else outside of that, is assumed.

Find what makes you feel fulfilled and the source of that is maybe what your looking for. All believers house the spirit of their faith within their mortal selves. Find what you feel makes you feel good about being here, and you'll find that "god" everyone else thinks lives somewhere else. We're all part of the whole. But we're not all the same. Honor yourself, by trusting in your life, you know what you're doing.

I would say your attitude is very healthy. You are basing your 'religion' on something more than blind faith. You are questioning aspects of the established religions that don't ring true to you. That's healthy. In a modern world I believe faith should be based on a combination of evidence and personal experience, not simply force fed to us by religious leaders or peers. Whatever anybody says, all religious texts have been produced by humans, and no human has ever been infallible. If you find part of one religion make sense then take it. If another part doesn't make sense reject it. This may be abhorrent to a religious purist but why should we be forced to accept everything or nothing? I am the same, if I were to pigeon-hole myself into an 'organized' religion it would be Buddhism simply because Buddhism makes more sense to me than any other religion. But still there are aspects of Buddhism I can't fully accept. I believe the main thing is to realize that life is not a meaningless exercise. There is a purpose for the universe and everything that exists within it, even if our religious leaders and scientists are not yet able to provide satisfactory explanations to what that is. Incidentally, contrary to most people's opinion I believe it will be science that eventually confirms our true purpose. Far from being the enemy of spiritualism, science will be it's prover.

You don't have to belong to an organized religion to have faith.

I never understood how so many people try to find a religion to join. Choosing a religion to join is basically saying "I want to choose to believe in a certain set of beliefs in order to make me feel better about life."

I never understood choosing a belief, you should only believe in something if proof is presented to you. A logical person I would think should be agnostic.

But I guess thats just religion.

Some people have had proof presented to them. However, knowing something and being able to prove it are two very different things.

Flower Shower

Subhuti was Buddha's disciple. He was able to understand the potency of emptiness, the viewpoint that nothing exists except in its relationship of subjectivity and objectivity.

One day Subhuti, in a mood of sublime emptiness, was sitting under a tree. Flowers began to fall about him.

"We are praising you for your discourse on emptiness," the gods whispered to him.

"But I have not spoken of emptiness," said Subhuti.

"You have not spoken of emptiness, we have not heard emptiness," responded the gods. "This is true emptiness." And blossoms showered upon Subhuto as rain.

Keeping an open-mind is a good thing, the best thing is to just keep religion your own way. Organized religion, in my opinion, brainwashes people and controls them. I'm Roman Catholic, but I haven't been an active member of the church for many years now, cause I wasn't feeling fulfilled - spiritually. And like you, I've began reading books on different religions and faiths. By doing this, it has opened my mind to different belief systems and cultures. The important thing is to keep faith your own way ..

Dandy post.

True but some people's beliefs are similar to a religion so they join it.

at first i didnt believe in any religion.
i thought that religion was a just a way for people to believe in something other than themselves.
i found no purpose for it because i had faith myself and i believed in myself over everything else in the world.
but then i decided to try to understand the different beliefs and now i just sorta found myself agreeing with certain points.

personally i consider myself agnostic.

Choseing a religion should Be the Most thought out , Most carefull , most Studied Thing You Ever Do . Even choseing a Spouse Is minor in comparison to Choseing the Faith you will Walk .

What most never Consider is what happens if you get it wrong? Most take this way to Lightly ,Like for exsample in my Comunity most are Baptist . there is a baptist church here and nothing else . So most when decideing they need to Find God just go up to the baptist Church and repeat the Sinners Prayer and I Guess They beleave They are Saved after that .

Whats the Chances of it being the True Faith ? Whats the Chances of Islam being the truth Because you are Born in a Islamic Area? They all Say they come from the Truth they all seem to have scriptures and proof the others are Wrong . What if its Not the Real Faith? Could you recieve a Evil Spirit instead of the Holy Spirit if You get It Wrong????????? Is Spirit Shopping Dangerous?

Jesus said Narrow is the Way and Few there be that find it . Amoes said in the Last day we would Have a Famine of Truth almost un findable But so many Just chose the Most Popular Faiths . if there is 1.5 billion they must not be wrong . But Jesus said As it Was in the days of Noah . How many was Right in Noahs Day ? 1

One man had the real faith??? but i'll bet alot thought they had the truth you probly had preachers on the corners , Athiest , All kinds of Ideas in Noahs Day . But only one Man really had the truth . He probly Got lauphed At , Scolded . Daily by people Who thought he was a nut and who thought they was wise . Utill the others found themselves in Water to their nostrils they though Noah was a Fool . He preached 100 Years and never had a Convert and he was the one with the truth .


So just How would We Find the Truth? In my opinion the truth Giver did leave a Way

I AM THE WAY said Christ

So we watch Christ .

What did he Do? what was his actions as a man .


Did Christ Ever Change or is he the Same yesterday Today and Forever ?

Would Christ Spirit Accept any lie , Or is No lie from the Truth ?

Would the Real Christ Followers Accept a Lie?

As humans we must Remember one Thing about God He means what he says . If he says its the way Its the Way.

We all let Men get between Us and Scriptures .

I do beleave its Dangerous to get it wrong . The spiritual power that is in a False religion is Evil and will Make you Evil if you Allow it .

Many men sold themselfs to evil spirits beleaveing it was God and became evil instead of Good . happens all the time .

I think the real Start of a Search for truth , would be to ask God for Wisdom . Then watch the Scriptures Not Men carrying Scriptures.

Well, if it makes any difference, why dont you read the Quran? Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world today, and in America too.

No offence Muslim I know you mean well .

I have no interest in a koran None what So ever . Why?


1} nothing wrong with the Bible , nowhere near as touched as Islam likes to portray . Bible was Wrote Here a Little There a Little Line upon line preciept upon preciept . In other words thousands of years or hundreds of years seperated its writers . great spaces . most never Met each Other . So could not set down to conspire the Book .The Koran on the other Hand was A bunch of Men that wanted A new Prophet who put their heads together to get us a so called smooth book .

2} The Koran even leaves out what Mankind was to leave alone , you have no idea as a muslim what Man was not to Touch . It was Not A Apple ! It was the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil a other way to Say that is Law Making . Or Goverment . Man was To leave Goverment Up to God .
You guys have no Idea that its All about Goverment and Not about a paridise full of virgins .

3} What if the Book of Rev is Ligit ? What if it is a revelation of Jesus Christ Which God Almighty Gave To Him? No muslim has ever Proved its Not , They just threw it Away as it never fit their agenda and no prove what so ever its Not ligit as A rev of Jesus Christ Gave to Him By God Almighty .

If it Is Ligit Id be Carefull when out selling these Korans Id read REV 22 verse 18- 19 Before I go about Selling Korans . Id really look at Verse 19 of rev 22 . Then id Go look at REV 1 verses 8 -11 Then id Jump over to Rev 4 verses 8-11 And try to Figgure out whats Going On There !!!!! if you neeed a Little Help try COL 1 13-20 ,hebrews 1 , john 1 . You should be carefull what you are cutting out of the book of Rev with your Muslim Religion . As Verse 19 of of rev 22 has never been proven to not be from God almighty.


Be carefull because you are born in islam don't make it true .

because its fast growing proves nothing accept maybe its not truth , As Christ clearly Said Narrow is the Way

And Amoes did predict a Famine of Truth .

I know you Mean well But i Don't want no Korans.Ishmael can keep it .

Actually, not in the external world. And, as you grow, you will learn that it takes agreement with another understanding to become one understanding apart from all others. In the bible, we are to become one with our set counterpart, I guess it would be an Adam for you, but since you are an 'angie,' your Adam must choose you.

Your Adam may be a religion and with this Adam you find many individual people. And that is your heaven, the many individual people. You go see them, you worry about them, you care for them, etc.
But, all of the religions that started before Christianity were started before their was any life given to them. How long ago did Confusious live?
He did say a lot of confusing things. But the correct spelling is Confucius. He died around 350 BC.

His philosophy emphasized personal and governmental morality, correctness of social relationships, justice and sincerity. These values gained prominence in China over other doctrines, such as Legalism (法家) or Daoism (道家) during the Han Dynasty[1][2][3]. Confucius' thoughts have been developed into a system of philosophy known as Confucianism (儒家). It was introduced to Europe by the Jesuit Matteo Ricci, who was the first to Latinise the name as "Confucius".

A Jesuit spread Confucianism. I guess you could say the thoughts of Confucius were a Comforter to this Jesuit Matteo, if you understand how I mean the word Comforter.

Going back to the words of Jesus.

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;

If you take the time to study all of the religions, you will have a great big library in your brain. Look in that library and see which one was started after Christ.

That is the one to follow. And it is not that the rest are wrong, they do not have the Comforter, the breath, the life.

What does the bible say about governments of man?
What does the bible say about the thoughts of man?

Has anybody explained Christ to you?

well said..

The difference between Hinduism, Daoism, Confucianism, et al, and with Christianity is the aforementioned have no personal life whereas the personal life of Christianity is Jesus Christ.

Christianity is divided into Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Jehovah's Witness, Seventh Day Adventists, etc.

And with Christianity, you get another Comforter, the Holy Spirit.

We could all take Bible quotes out of context and we could argue any thing we wanted.

Don't look so good for your argument like this. Does it?

NIV
John 14:16-17 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever-- 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

KJV
John 14:16-17 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

EDIT: I notice you use the ASV (1901) translation.
so here it is as written from your Bible

John 14:16-17 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may be with you for ever, 17 even the Spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive; for it beholdeth him not, neither knoweth him: ye know him; for he abideth with you, and shall be in you.

I do. I think many people nowadays make the mistake of using religion as a means of making themselves feel good about themselves and affirming their own worldview, rather than seeing religion as a set of rules to abide by in order to make oneself a better person. You're right, though, if you believe in "all religions" then you are essentially believing in "none at all". Truely being religious means fully understanding a faith and abiding by its rules, no matter how difficult or unsettling this may be at first. Personally, I think Christianity is the only true religion, and that the only true Christian adheres to the teachings of Christ as found in the Gospels and not the rituals and dictates of any specific denomination.

KGS

sounds like a plan to me
:]
i was actually thinking about it before.

okay, im sorry and everything, but it has actually been proven that alot of the stories in the bible never actually happened. they were just added by the men who wrote it as little anecdotes.

second. no one has ever proved that the BIBLE was ligit either. no one can prove that the quaran is either.
no one can prove ANYTHING.
so please dont keep a closed mind when you dont even really have the answers yourself.
no one ever does.

well, what about judaism? wasn't it one of the first religions?
how can christianity be the one true religion when judaism was there way before christianity was even thought of?

there are alot of loopholes to this whole religion thing...

and i also get the great "comforter" of corruption and betrayl to god in the great and wondrous religion of christianity.
right?

how many times has the church screwed the common people who believed blindly in god and the wonders of jesus?
why would i wanna get screwed?
i dont think so.

of all the religions ive studied, christianity is the LASt on my list.
it has the most loopholes and the most evil within.
why would i wanna believe in something thats evil?

Religion is the blind man's folly and nothing ever good came from a blind fool.

It's not a matter of who was first, but what is right and the truth. I think why Christianity is the "one true religion" is best explained by the Gospels themselves.

KGS

Well, reading the New Testament and other Christian writings has been liberating and enlightening more than anything else.

KGS

look, first of all, I wasnt even talking to you! Second of all I never asked YOU to read the Quran. Since you spoke with no knowledge what so ever, I wil show you.

Is this why they contradict each other? Is this why they have hundreds of unscientific facts? Is this why plaigarism is found in Isaiah 37 & 2 Kings 19, where we find extracts attributed to authors living 1000 of years apart to be identical to the letter. The obvious indictment would be on God that he had absentmindedly dictated the same tale twice.

Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands and then say, "This is from Allah," that they may purchase a small gain therewith. Woe unto them for that their hands have written, and woe unto them for that they earn thereby.

(Quran: 2-79)




Beware of what you speak, beware. On judgment day you will be held on account for this. No one in the entire Arabian peninsula wanted Mohammed. They fought him like no body else. They starved him for four years where all he had to eat was leaves. They tried killing him 8 times. The Arabs were pagans and the last thing they wanted was a man saying that God was one, and not a statue. Read his biography, its called Muhammed: His life based on the earliest source, its written by Martin Lings. Go purchase it from amazon and get your facts straight. No man in the history of the world was fought as much as Mohammed and you say " a bunch of men who wanted a prophet". Very ignorant on your behalf. Very very ignorant.

You poor thing have no knowledge what so ever about Islam. The apple represented obedience, mans obediance to God. Just because the Bible says something and the Quran says something different doesnt mean the Bible is right, or even the Quran for sake of argument. It just means they differ.




I have noo idea what you're talking about. What do you mean cutting out of it? You do know that the Quran is an entirely different book then the OT and the NT dont you?


How on earth do you know im not a convert! the way your brain functions is amazing. You jump to conclusions faster than anything.




Christ said seek the truth and the truth shall find you. You do know that Muslims believe in Christ? I feel sad for people like you. Just because you are convinced in Christianity, which by all means you have the right to do so, we all have the right to believe whatever we want, to be an athiest or a Jew or a Muslim, we are free to believe what we want, but we cant judge other peoples ideas and religions without even knowing a thing about them. You have no knowledge of Mohammeds life story. You havent read the Quran. And you are talking about Islam. hmmm. And whats with the last comment you made? Ishmael can keep it? As a Christian you should respect Ishmael, or is respecting the prophets no longer part of your religion?


Since you have run your mouth a little too much. Let me give you this gift. Its a comparison of the Quran and the Bible. Lets see.

Does God Rest?

Bible:
for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
Exodus 31:17

Quran:
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We created the heavens and the earth and all between them in Six Days, nor did any sense of weariness touch Us.

Gods Power:
Bible:

Genesis 32:28
28 And He said, “Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel;[a] for you have struggled with God and with men, AND HAVE PREVAILED.”


"And the Lord was with Judah, and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain, but COULD NOT drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had Chariots OF IRON." JUDGES 1:19

Quran:
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They measure not Allah His rightful measure. Lo! Allah is Strong, Almighty.


Can God Be Seen:
"It is because I saw God face to face and yet my life was spared." (Genesis 32:30)

contradicted by: "But He (God) said: "You cannot see my face for no one may see me and live." (Exodus 33:20)

Quran:
No vision can grasp Him, but He grasps all vision. (6:103)



Does God Sleep:
Bible:
(Psalms 78:65)
65 Then the LORD awaked as one out of sleep, and like a mighty man that shouteth by reason of wine.

Quran:
(2:255)
Allah! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).


God married Jerusalem and she became a prostitute:
Ezekiel 16:3-32

Quran:
And to warn those (Jews, Christians, and pagans) who say: "Allah has begotten a son." No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. Grievous is the word that comes out of their mouths. They utter nothing but a lie. Perhaps you would kill yourself (O Mohammed) in grief, over their footsteps (for their turning away from you), because not in this narration (the Quran).
(18:4-6)


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They say: "Allah hath begotten a son" :Glory be to Him.-Nay, to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth: everything renders worship to Him.
To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: When He decreeth a matter, He saith to it: "Be," and it is.


Prophet Lot:

Bible:
That night they got their father to drink wine (Lot), and the older daughter went in and lay with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.. So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father. (genesis 19:33-36)


Quran:

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And to Lut, too, We gave Judgment and Knowledge, and We saved him from the town which practised abominations: truly they were a people given to Evil, a rebellious people.
And We admitted him to Our Mercy: for he was one of the Righteous.


Jesus's behavior towards Marry, peace be upon them:

Bible:
3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, WHAT HAVE I TO DO WITH THEE ? mine hour is not yet come.

"Who is my mother" (Matthew 12:47-49)

(can you imagine if a son tells his mother that what her reaction would be? A heart attack would be the least)

Quran:

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He said (Jesus) : "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;
"And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live;
"(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable"



In end, another gift:


http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_index.html

Your "one true religion" was born under a flag of a monothoistic bigitry that spread throughout the world like a plaque destroying the free will of other civilizations. However, so I don't sound too much like a jerk, Christianity does have a silver lining. It brings hope to those seeking purpose in a chaotic world when it's needed most.

What they say about Mohammed:

Read what the Reverend R. Bosworth-Smith wrote in "Mohammed & Mohammedanism" in 1946:

"Head of the state as well as the Church, he was Caesar and Pope in one; but, he was pope without the pope's claims, and Caesar without the legions of Caesar, without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace, without a fixed revenue. If ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by a Right Divine, it was Mohammad, for he had all the power without instruments and without its support. He cared not for dressing of power. The simplicity of his private life was in keeping with his public life."

While we are reviewing statements from famous non-Muslims about Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, consider this:

"Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"
[Lamartine, HISTOIRE DE LA TURQUIE, Paris, 1854, Vol. II, pp. 276-277.]

And then we read what George Bernard Shaw, a famous writer and non-Muslim says:

"He must be called the Savior of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it much needed peace and happiness."
[The Genuine Islam, Singapore, Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936]

Then we found that K. S. Ramakrishna Rao, an Indian (Hindu) professor of Philosophy, in his booklet "Muhammad the Prophet of Islam" calls him the "perfect model for human life." Professor Ramakrishna Rao explains his point by saying:

"The personality of Muhammad, it is most difficult to get into the whole truth of it. Only a glimpse of it I can catch. What a dramatic succession of picturesque scenes. There is Muhammad the Prophet. There is Muhammad the Warrior; Muhammad the Businessman; Muhammad the Statesman; Muhammad the Orator; Muhammad the Reformer; Muhammad the Refuge of Orphans; Muhammad the Protector of Slaves; Muhammad the Emancipator of Women; Muhammad the Judge; Muhammad the Saint. All in all these magnificent roles, in all these departments of human activities, he is alike a hero."

What should we think about our prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, when someone with the worldly status such as Mahatma Gandhi, speaking on the character of Muhammad, peace be upon him, says in 'Young India':

"I wanted to know the best of one who holds today undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind... I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life."

English author Thomas Carlyle in his 'Heroes and Hero Worship', was simply amazed:

"How one man single handedly, could weld warring tribes and wandering Bedouins into a most powerful and civilized nation in less than two decades."

And Diwan Chand Sharma wrote in "The Prophets of the East":

"Muhammad was the soul of kindness, and his influence was felt and never forgotten by those around him"
[D.C. Sharma, The Prophets of the East, Calcutta, 1935, pp. 12]


Muhammad, peace be upon him, was nothing more or less than a human being, but he was a man with a noble mission, which was to unite humanity on the worship of ONE and ONLY ONE GOD and to teach them the way to honest and upright living based on the commands of God. He always described himself as, 'A Servant and Messenger of God' and so indeed every action of his proclaimed to be.

Speaking on the aspect of equality before God in Islam, the famous poetess of India, Sarojini Naidu says:

"It was the first religion that preached and practiced democracy; for, in the mosque, when the call for prayer is sounded and worshippers are gathered together, the democracy of Islam is embodied five times a day when the peasant and king kneel side by side and proclaim: 'God Alone is Great'... I have been struck over and over again by this indivisible unity of Islam that makes man instinctively a brother."
[S. Naidu, Ideals of Islam, vide Speeches & Writings, Madras, 1918, p. 169]


In the words of Professor Hurgronje:

"The league of nations founded by the prophet of Islam put the principle of international unity and human brotherhood on such universal foundations as to show candle to other nations." He continues, "the fact is that no nation of the world can show a parallel to what Islam has done towards the realization of the idea of the League of Nations."
Edward Gibbon and Simon Ockley, on the profession of ISLAM, writes in "History of the Saracen Empires":

"I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, AND MAHOMET, AN APOSTLE OF GOD' is the simple and invariable profession of Islam. The intellectual image of the Deity has never been degraded by any visible idol; the honor of the Prophet have never transgressed the measure of human virtues; and his living precepts have restrained the gratitude of his disciples within the bounds of reason and religion."
[History of the Saracen Empires, London, 1870, p. 54]


EWolfgang Goethe, perhaps the greatest European poet ever, wrote about Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. He said:

"He is a prophet and not a poet and therefore his Koran is to be seen as Divine Law and not as a book of a human being, made for education or entertainment."
[Noten und Abhandlungen zum Weststlichen Dvan, WA I, 7, 32]


source: http://prophetofislam.com/what_do_others_say.php

Nice post.

To me muhammed Was Nothing But a Man ,He lived his live Then Died . Weather it was a good Life or a evil life is all according to who one talks too both have their arguements.

Jesus Christ unlike Muhammed was only a man for 33.5 years , before he was a man he lived as the son of the Holy Father He was The God of the Old Testament , He was the one who Jacob wrestled with . he is the one who met moses on the mountain . He is The Creator .

If you would of Looked up the scriptures I gave you muslim you would of seen they Claim Christ was the Creator ,in hebrews 1 even the Holy Father admits Christ was the Creator . Also in hebrews 1 The Holy father makes This Statement therefore God even thy God . What you muslims cant relise is Jesus Christ would Be your Allah .

Allah would not have a Son he would have a Father . The Father Made the Son The God of This world ,he left all judgement to the son . He did though command him what to Do and what to Say .

Isn't Allah the Creator? Well the Bible plainly tells us Over and Over Again That Christ was the creator . The creator left heaven and became a man for 33.5 years . His father Stayed in Heaven , His father made him the one who judges all men . The word= the Spokesman or the one that talks to men .

You say Christ is not to be worshipped or Called God but in the scriptures i Quoted the holy father says Christ is God of this earth . And if you put the ones in Rev together you would figgure out its the 24 elders of heaven worshiping Christ calling him God . Muhamed was a man like the rest of us .

According to Scripture the greatest prophets after Christ are yet to Come They Start their ministry in the Last 3.5 years of man governing the earth . Muhamed is not Mentioned . And like i say Islam has no Proof that Rev is not ligit from God they just throw it away to make way for a brand knew religion.

I don't respect most of Christianity either . I probly beleave worse then You do about Catholic and protestant churches as i beleave modern christianity is full of Pagan holydays , Pagan Beleafs ect . They are taught not to Obey God .
But Islam is just as Bad . Islamic holy days Are brand new they Are not From God the real holy days are hidden codes to truth each haveing a hidden meaning . Islams have no hidden meanings . God did Rest the seventh Day , Did he have to rest ?? probly not He rested as it has a hidden meaning 6 days you work = 6000 years man governs the earth he can make up some religions modern christianity ,islam incueded . then 1 day we rest . The Seventh Day (not friday ,Not Sunday) it stands for 1000 years that Christ the creator will return to Earth to rule it with a rod of Iron . Im very sure he will get rid of Islam in this 1000 years . One of the first things he will do is to Burn the POPE . im sure after that he will run over to meccah and tear that place down too . I don't imagine You will be able to Get Christ the King interested in one of them korans you are selling . If you are still alive at Christ return Take my advice and hide your Koran.

I dont know why you keep on saying that Muslims reject rev. We reject the entire Bible OT and NT, why do you keep on repeating that we reject rev specifically :S As for why we reject them, read my post of the Quran and the Bibles comparison. They program people like you, that God sleeps, rests, smoke comes out of his nostrills, wrestles with Jacob and rides a cherop !!! Dont you see what you're doing to God? Can you imagine! God wrestling with Jacoub! GOD! The creator of everything the all powerful wrestling with a man! Punching him and body slamming him as if its a wrestling show? What is man compared to God! Can you imagine God according to your book riding on a cherop? You know what a cherop is? Crisp naked female angels with breasts and everything! As for you insisting that Jesus is the creator, what did you quote? Hebrews. Who wrte Hebrews? A man who contradicts Jesus in every possible way. Paul. Everything, you pick your choice, what des Jesus say? Paul says the opposite, so I chose not to trust in Paul. Jesus says salvation is by good deads Paul says belief in the crusifiction and only it. Jesus says get circumsized Paul says no its just circumsision of the heart. Jesus says thou shall not commit adultry almost every single Christian on the face of the earth commits adultry, why? Because of Pauls teachings, Jesus died for your sins, go ahead, make the best out of it! I ask you, if Jesus were to return today, who do you think he would be more comfortable with? A Muslim or a Christian? A Muslim 1000% indeed, Muslims dont eat pork, which Jesus said notto eat yet Christians eat! Muslims are circumsized which Jesus said to do but Christians arent! Muslims dont commit adultry which well I dont have to say, you know. Muslims believe that they enter heaven by there rightousness, this is what Jesus said "except your rightousness does not exeed that of the Pharisees you shall by no means enter the kingdom of heaven".. Christians follow Jesus by words not by actions. They go to Church and dance and sing and Jesus said that you should have a humble heart, dancing to please God, is that a humble heart? Jesus said you should dress modestly, thats why Muslim women wear the hijab and Muslim men grow the beard. Jesus used to clean himself, the exact same way Muslims do before the perform their salat or prayer, Christians dont, they just put some perfume on and thats it. Muslims take off there shoes when they enter a mosque, Christians enter church, a holly place, with there shoes on, however we find that God told Moses to take off his shoes when he was in a holly place. How on earth are you following Jesus? By wearing a necklace on your neck and saying he is lord he is lord and thats it? Muslims follow Jesus more than Christians, thats a fact. Muslims respect Jesus more than Christians, thats another fact. Just read what the Quran says about Jesus and what the Bible says about Jesus and compare, where is he revered more? The Quran without a shadow of a doubt. The Biblical Jesus used to call his mother "woman"! And told her "woman what have I to do with thee"!! This is the Christ who according to you is your savior so he has to be your role model, is this what a good son tells his mother? The biblical Jesus says that "let the dead burry the dead". He calls all non Jews "dogs". Im sorry, I can never accept that my master Jesus Christ would act in such a way.

As for Jesus returning, please, according to the Bible Jesus told his disciples "before this generation is up I shall come"! Whos generation? There generation!!

The author of Hebrews believed that he was living in the "last days." 1:1-2

The author of Hebrews believed that Jesus would come "in a little while, and will not tarry." 10:37

Heck, hebrews also says that God set the earth on a foundation and it doesnt move. 1:10

God inspires something but forgets how His universe functions? I wouldnt be surprised if you said yes since you believe He needs rest and sleeps and wrestles and smoke comes out of His nostrills far exhalted is He above all these things. Why on earth am I to worship a god who needs rest? Who knows, He may get too tired and stop protecting me,and or forget about me. Common sence, any being who isnt perfect is not worthy of worship, end of discussion. God is PERFECT, not perfect but needs rest, thats not perfect, so thats not God.

Jesus destroying Mecca? Mecca is mentioned in your own bible! The verse says "Let the land where Keddar inhabits rejoice". Who is Kedar? Ishmaels son. Where did he settle? Mecca. You have been officially brain washed.

If Jesus is God, there is one condition. You know what that is? That he was a worm and magott and impure. This is notmy words, this is the Bibles words. God says:

4 How then can man be righteous before God?
Or how can he be pure who is born of a woman?
5 If even the moon does not shine,
And the stars are not pure in His sight, 6 How much less man, who is a maggot,
And a son of man, who is a worm?”

(Job 25:4-6 )

Can you imagine God calling himself a magot and a worm! Funny isnt it? Jesus was born of a woman! He was a man! So, according to the bible, he was a worm and a magott.

Paul nailed the comandments right next to Jesus. Quote me Jesus saying he created the world. You cant find it. You find people saying it was Jesus who created the world, but Jesus never said so! Dont you see! I want to know what my master Jesus Christ said, not Paul who says that "Gods stupidity is smarter than all of us"! What is this? Is this supposed to be wisdom? Gods stupidity?! This man is disrespecting God, he was a self appointed prophet who hated Jesus before that and hated Christians and destroyed Christianity.

Wait for my new topic, Mecca in the Bible, soon.

No I don't think it is wrong you are seeking your higher self. You must seek your own Path anyone saying their religion is the one true Path is mistaken. The only one true religion is the one that fills your heart with joy and gives you peace. That is some thing you must decide for yourself. I had a belief system already in place when I found Paganism. It simply matched my beliefs and was perfected in Druidry. Why not write down what you believe then go to the library and research the different religions. Paganism is still generally still found in the occult section sigh.. if you want to have a look at that. Take your time, there is no hurry. The seeking is most of the fun.

Joy and Peace

Oh and what is the book of revelation? It was a dream John had, a dream. It speaks of creatures with eyes on the inside and eyes on the outside and so on. Too much to eat I guess.

By all means, believe what you want, suggest Christianity for her, but when I suggest Islam, respect it cause I respected your suggestion of Christianity.

Muslim you Don't listen too Me , I don't accept most christian churches as Being Ligit . You can not Judge me on what other christians beleave its unfair . I beleave most of Modern Christianity is a Satanic Counterfiet religion . The bible predicts this .
In rev 17 there is a warning about Babalon the great the mother of Harlots the mother of abominations of the world . I actually beleave Babalon(confusion the great) the great = modern christianity . The reason the Churches that came out of her are refered to as harlots as they fornicate with pagan religions they don't stay true to Christ . They Forget his sabbaths and his holy days and his teachings and borrow ideas and customs from other religions . Constinetine who really developed alot of Main stream christianity was a sun worshipper that idealised pagan greek philosphers like plato . The holy trinity was just a idea floating around a confused bunch of men before constintine forced them to decide something and call it the piller of mainstream christianity . This mainstream Christianity mostly like Islam was spread with the Sword . Well there was also torture chambers and bondfires also .
Real christians through the centurys was mostly burned as Heritics along with witches and soothsayers or what ever would not accept forced christianity .If you study you will find real Christians all through history as they would not accept such traditions as easter or sunday keeping so usally they would end up tortured as heritics A while back i Studied some of these labeled as Heritics by the mother church . You Know their Neibours new Them as The Good Neibours or the Good People . Their crimes was they just would not accept the mother church and its new forum of the faith of Christ .

So I know its Easy for you as a Muslim to brag how you obey God more then these Christians ,but i'm not one of them .

Compare yourself with me and People of my faith .

Do i Eat Pigs ? NO And i don't eat Shellfish either Muslims only pick and chose from God what to Obey . When God told us not to eat Pigs their was a whole list of Animals not to be eaten ,muslims just pick to obey certain Things.

Muslims call friday the Day of Rest but in the 10 commands of God almighty he said he made the 7th day holy but muslims refuse this command as they don't want to be like jews . Most christians refuse this Command also .They make their own rules .

The Real Holy days Muslims refuse to Obey God to Keep , they just like modern christianity created new ones not Interested in the Ones God Commanded to be kept forever .Just go out Make up Brand new ones so we don't look like jews.

You might look better Then mainstream Christianity (which is a Satanic countrerfiet) but be carefull when you compare yourselfs to the Real Church of GOD . FOR HERE ARE THEY THAT KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD AND THE FAITH OF JESUS .

Jesus was not a Muslim he never seen ramada , never seen praying to meccah five times a day , never seen this religion called Islam on the whole earth in Jesus day ...............its a brand new religion started 600 years later .

Its only resason of great success was they got a satanic counterfiet christian world to compare too .

Oh yes And Ishmael was Pissed why did he have to live in the desert wasn't he the first born not issac??

Lets write our own book ! Lets make Our Own Prophet !

What? "Monothoistic bigitry" [sic] and "spreading... like a plague destroying the free will of other civilizations"??? Do you even know what you are talking about? The teachings of Christ were meant to free people from sinful and hedonistic lives, through faith, love and good work. The reason Christianity spread the way that it did was because it offered hope and salvation to people in a time when life was miserable for most. You really need to understand the context of the times to fully understand why Christianity became what it became. The civilizations at the time were governed by sin, people were oppressed and many lived as slaves, they worshipped false gods and demons; women had no rights, wars were occuring continuously, crime was rampant. Christianity offered an alternative, one of hope and liberation and unltimately, eternal life if one lived one's life accordingly. Our society is founded upon Christian principles, hence we live in a society where people are comparatively more free and better off than any other society in human history. Sadly, with the decline of Christianity, our society is noticeably slipping back into the darker times of the Roman Empire, etc. It's a gradual process, not readily apparent, but it is happening nonetheless.

KGS

This is really typical New Age deception. One clear indication that someone is trying to mislead you is when they tell you to "seek your own path". That's not how faith and spirituality works. That's the easy route, and route that will ultimately lead one nowhere.

Well, at least you come out and admit what you are, although I find it interesting that you attempt to also make yourself seem as though you're concerned with this person finding what best suits them.

KGS

I stand by my conviction. All religions say such, but only become more trouble than they are worth. Christainity is a devotion to a virtually unknown god who does nothing to back up our believes. Mankind is the true force in the world and through our sacrifice, the world changes for the better or worse. Religion only begets strife and war. Only those foolish enough to put blind faith in a slim hope of being saved by the Father, the Son, and the Holy Divinity, are devoting themselves to disappointment. Humanity is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Divinity. We dictate what goes.

As long as you have faith in your self, thats all that should matter

look, KGS, me going to christianity is never going to happen.
and you just being a ******xxabout it is not going to help curve my decisions.
so maybe you can go find some other people to criticize, because i dont really care for your opinion...

i believe that religion should be something personal and that you should choose the one that best suits whats in your heart.
not what some "GOD" told you to do.
you know, good tell you to worship him and only him?

i guess im going to hell...



and yes, i've read on Druidry and i've found it quite interesting actually...
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I really get frustrated when anyone tells someone else they are going to go to hell. God will make the judgement when the time comes and none of us will know what is going to happen. Personally i belive in a Graceful God, one who lived the life of a human and knows and understands what we go through in our trials.
My hope to you is that you will keep an open mind and the God will direct you to a place and faith that brings you into a closer relationship with "Him" ,parden the mascluine use i needed a pronoun, as well as a closer relationship with others. I belive community and relationship with others is as important as our relationship with God.
Best of luck to you in your Journey.
PB

i agree.

you see...religion is just something you refer to when you have no more faith in yourself.

*shrugs*

but with some religions, i feel really in tune with the things they believe in.

i like you.
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you make a good point when you say you like to think aout God living the life of a human.
i like that.
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There are a lot of things that the christian church, an orginization run by sinful humans, has done that has hurt many people in this world, and has turned off so many to the idea of christianity. It is a sad thing, because there is much in the Gospel that is appealing to people. One of the greatest of these is a god who so loved all of his creation that he chose to dwell among it and live all of life, birth, childhood, peberty, suffering in poverty to better reah out to us . The problem lies not with god understanding us, but us being able to relate to something as all powerfull and encompasing as God, this is why he became flesh, not because of him, but because of our limitations.
At least thats my take on it.
later
PB

You claim to be 16 years old and claim that "going to christianity is never going to happen". For someone who indicates that they are on a spiritual journey this is pretty close-minded. I think you need to read the Gospels to understand why Christianity is the truth and the right way. To be a Christian there are rules to abide by; these rules exist not because God wants us to be obedient, submissive creatures; God created humans in His image; we are different and special and God has certain expectations for us, therefore the rules that one should follow are for our benefit and betterment. This is clearly stated in the New Testament.

Many people make the mistake of viewing religion as simply a means of affirming their secular beliefs, and tend to pick and choose from beliefs in a manner that negates any sense of guilt or immorality for the base desires that they allow to govern them. People want a spiritual belief to fill a void, all the while engaging in illicet sex, drug use, lying, stealing, cheating, selfish and materialistic behaviour--the very thing that is causing the void.

Jesus came to this Earth to set things straight. He was a rebel and an aggitator and unsettled many whose religious belief became superficial and complacent, those who were misguided and sinners. No different than his teachings do today.

KGS

Then how has Christianity helped people today? You just proved my theory that religion is discobobulated (sp).

There are innumerable testamonies out there about how people's Christian faith helped them through difficult times and has made their lives better. You must know this, so one can only wonder what motive you have for asking such a question.

KGS

There is a few things Jesus said that almost nobody listens too . One being When Jesus Said He Never Came To Bring Peace . Alot seem to have given Up on Jesus because of all the fighting and wars and bad things that a all powerfull God should stop in their opinion .

Jesus never came to bring peace so HE SAID not the last time he was here .

So why did he Come ?

1)He had to come and be a man so he could rightously judge men , to judge the flesh he had to experience the flesh and all its pains and hungers and other stuff . For him to have the flesh experience for real he had to be 100% in the flesh . not just 1/3d of him like this mysteries trinity would sugest . All in the Flesh ,none of him in Heaven or any where else at the time . The Father was in Heaven at this time not Jesus he was on earth as a man.

2) He had to show a sinless life could be lived and he had to show an exsample of the Fathers wishes for a obedient life . If you want to learn How To please God you don't watch Islam ,Or Buda ,Or even Chritianity you watch Jesus .
Did jesus Take up the way of the Heathen and go out in the woods and cut a tree and fasten it with hammers and nails that it move not , deck it with silver and Gold? Or Did Jesus Keep Ramada ? Or Did Jesus Keep the Feast of Tabernacles? Which one would be the Way? If you was Watching JESUS instead of the world?
Buy doing this he proved he Could be the Earths Future King .

3) Jesus replaced the Passover . Jesus is the Unleaven bread THAT WE MUST EAT during the days of unleaven bread , the sinless man . Leaven represents Sin . These real HOly days all Fit Christianity . The Fake ones That SATAN inspires Fit Nothing. no hidden meanings . no codes no nothing . Just a Good old Roll in the Hay with Satan and His world .

Modern Christianity is no more the Faith of Jesus then Islam is . They don't even Know what his Gospel was !

Why ask if you used the proper hammer after you have built the house?

Ignore them all.. if you have to pick one.. er just make up your own religion.

It should be clarified that when Jesus said that he meant that by people following him, it would cause discord between spouses, siblings, parents and children, etc. Not once does he advocate the use of violence or war to enforce his teachings. People tend to muddle up what is written in the Old Testament and attribute it to Jesus and Christianity. Many so-called Christians, unfortunately, also look to the Old Testament for sources of justification for war in the name of God, which is why we have had the problems that we have had. Real Christians are non-violent and don't start or participate in wars.

KGS