I believe there isnt any difference between science,religion and psi. The only diffference is, is the ones we self induce between these. What do you think?

Actually this is a good point. Psychic ability and the ability to perform miracles has nothing to do with real religion. Because a person may have occult or psychic powers and still be highly egotistical. True spirituality is about looking into one's true nature and abiding there and this is only achieved via selfless living. Though people through selfless living can and often do get these "miraculous" powers as a by product. They are not bad in themselves but can be chersished to the point that one becomes too egocentric. Only people who are enlightened can use these powers without the egotistical backlash. I'll post up some writings on this subject from some perennial philosophers themselves who were either enlightened or close to.

....in one of the Pali scriptures there is an anecdote recording the Buddha's own characteristiclly dry comment on a prodigious feat of levitation performed by one of his disciples. "This," he said, "will not conduce to the conversion of the unconverted, not to the advantage of the converted." Then he went back to talking about deleverance.-----The Perennial Philosophy by Aldous Huxley.

Revelations are the aberration of faith; they are an amusement that spoils simplicity in relation to God, that embarrasses the soul and makes it swerve from its directness in relation to God. They distract the soul and occupy it with other things than God. Special illuminations, auditions, prophecies and the rest are marks of weakness in a soul that cannot support the assaults of temptation or of anxiety about the future and God's judgment upon it. Prophecies are also marks of creaturely curiosity in a soul whom God is indulgent and to whom, as a father to his importunate child, he gives a few trifling sweetmeats to satisfy its appetite. ---J.J. Olier

The slightest degree of sanctifying grace is superior to a miracle, which is supernatural only by reason of its cause, by its mode of production(quod modum), not by its intimate reality; the life restored to a corpse is only the natural life, low indeed in comparison with that of grace.---R. Garrigou-Langrange

Can you walk on water? You have done no better than a straw. Can you you fly in the air? You have done no better than a bluebottle. Conquer your heart; then you may become somebody.---Ansari of Herat

"One ounce of santifing grace," he (St Francois de Sales, Allah bless his soul ) used to say, "is worth more than a hundredweight of those graces which theologians call 'gratuitous,' among which is the gift of miracles. It is possible to receive such gifts and yet to be in mortal sin; nor are they necessary to salvation."

--Jean Pierre Camus

Anyway I hope this has shed some light on the topic.

Ultimately, you are right. They are all the same because they are all belief subject to belief.

I saw this topic and joined to post in it. The bible is against any form of psionics and denounces the existence thereof without residing to the utilization of witchcraft. Though psionics can be used by the most atheist of people (allegedly), there's no deviation in it of the Christian religion without you going to hell due to it's usage or practice.

Then you stroll into the Pagan religions which call powers of the mind "Direct Magick" using mysticism to explain psionics. Though religion isn't required to perform such acts, it's said one can gain said abilities through extensive amounts of practice throughout a prolonged period of time, but likely to never master it.

Religion can describe a lot of things and can try to answer about everything, but in the world of psionics, I believe religion should be kept out of it and try to utilize better means to answer it's mechanisms of functionality. Science is unable to prove the existence of psychic phenomena at this time, but in the future, it is a possibility that things such as Telekinesis is either proven or debunked with reasonable explanations that this current time cannot explain.

no, science religion and psi are all completely different, science can be proven, there have been many experiments and theories tested to prove things, religion and psi are similar but not the same, they are similar in that we cannot prove if they are true or not, (though for psi some people say there is proof it exists and proof it doesnt) and they are the same in you have to have a lot of faith to believe in them, but they are not the same thing

Not all science can be proven. Science can't even prove how the brain creates consciousness yet many(though not all) will tell you that the brain is required for any form of consciousness to exist. And also spiritual experiences are empirical in the sense that if one undergoes certain psychological and physical conditions one can attain a mystical experience oneself and "prove" and verify it for oneself. Both are the same because both are belief systems. One may believe that they are more valid than the other because of it's method in inquiring into truth and thus feel as if they can safely assure you that there is good reason to put faith in a certain fact that they have qualified, validated or refuted(via their rigorous or not so rigorous methods) either personally or via consensus as a fact(im referring to science here). But a belief system it still remains.

Ultimately, all things are known because you want to believe you know.-----Zennisunni saying.

U hit it right on the dot. The reason why i say there the same for these reasons here. To make a psi ball is to believe and tying it in with feeling for what you believe is there. now once youve done this you can actually feel the ball. That right there is remarlable for somone to lived decades and never knew they can produce this just by believing. The same thing Jesus talk about (meditating,believing,and faith), through these things he did supernatural things and achieve the mind of Christ(true mindstate). Now can someone see the connection here. What i'm imposing is that Jesus faith is the same as psi except bak then they didnt call it psi. Science is just the slower way to proving it then just believing. Mind of Christ ,Buddha,Godhead or etc are the same the difference is the 2 cents the follwers added in over the years. IF MY GOD STANDS FOR PEACE AND YOUR GOD STANDS FOR PEACE, THEN WHATS THE PROBLEM? "MY" AND "YOURS"!! GET IT!!!

Religion is confusing. And even more when you try to include in in a conversation, atleast it is in my eyes.

BTW- Welcome to UM GlennEdward!

I think they share some fundamentals, like trying to understand this great big universe of ours. However, the practices and beliefs are so varied I wouldn't call them the same thing.

gOOD TO SEE SOMEONE ON THE SAME WAVELENGTH!@! ALLAH BLESS YOU!

Thanks for the welcome.

I can see Brave New World's point of view on this. I just think it depends on the aspect of the religion because even if you dwell into the bible itself, it states that Jesus Christ himself said, "The kingdom of heaven is within you and what I do you can do greater".

So that possibly could mean that Christ himself was just a practitioner of psionics, meditation and/or whatever. So yes, it all is just a belief at this time, even if physical modern day science can't prove much of it, if at all these days.