I know not all of you don't believe in God or things like that, but if you do, do you think unborn children can experience eternity like the rest of us? I like to think they can...God welcomes all his children and I think somebody who hasn't had the chance to experience earth, still get to go to Heaven. They wouldn't go to Hell, as the only thing that keeps us out of Heaven is our sins....And unborn children couldn't sin, obviously.

What do you think?

I agree with you.

I think we're all eternity, wrapped in skin. This life is only as serious as we make it, and we make it based on what we think we know we are worth, in the living of it, at the moment. But that changes. History shows us how. And when I want to be reminded I believe all that, I look into a babies eyes, listen to that music of their laughter and watch pure joy of the moment, spread across their perfect complexion and see that it's all true.

If Abrahamic religions have anything to say, their answer would be no. At least, as far as Christianity goes, my understanding of Judaism and Islam is very limited.

Personally, I think whether "eternity" can be experienced at all needs to be answered first.

I for once would have to agree with godess. Babies are un-jaded by life and are the most wonderful thing in the world. But are you referring to fetuses? This would almost get back to the question of when does life begin? There is life in the seed and the egg. Do they get to heaven or whatever your idea of eternal life would be?

We are all God anyway. It is our real nature. If you wanna know whether the soul experiences eternity or not then the answer would have to be in affirmitive. Because there is no beginning or end to eternity. If it has a beginning or end then it cannot be eternity. The unborn soul is already eternity!@! A persian sufi poet mystic called Jalul-uddin Rumi puts it best when he says: Hey! You who are slowly decomposing in the garden of growth and decay, don't you know that your everlasting soul didn't sprout from anything- because it was never born?

The best answer I can give to this question is "I don't know", and I believe this would be representative of the CHristian view (not necessarily the Abrahamics view, because Judaism teaches that all souls go to the same place and I'm not certain about Islam). The Bible makes no mention of what happens to babies when they die. My personal opinion would be that the soul goes straight to God, though i guess I could be wrong.

Just a few days ago my wife and I experinced a miscarage with our first child together. He was almost five months old and and passed due to a infection in the placenta. The biggest influence with my coping with the loss is my religious faith. The night it happend and we were in the ER I sat alone while the doctor had my wife in the OR I sat and thought of course the big question, why? I then began to think about the influence this unborn baby had on our lives up until this. One thing that happend was through the first doctor's appointment we went to, we found out that my wife had traces of cervixular cancer. My wife not being the one to go for the regular check up would never have found out about the cancer if we hadn't of gotten pregant. Luckly the doctors found it in time before it spread and through a biopsy, removed all of the cancerous tissue. My big theory is that my son was sent to this earth to save his mother from this cancer. And after his job was done he went back to the Lord. My clarvoence to this came in a dream that night.

In the dream I was sitting at a bench in a grassy park like area. There were a lot of people playing, talking and walking in this park. What was strange was that the park was enclosed in a cathedral like building with no roof. Think of it like Central Park built into a large castle like cathedral. Well while I was sitting there a young man that looked about my age walked over to me. He was about six foot and had a lean cut muscular build to him. When I saw this guy step up to me I looked over at him I felt his presence was that of a very strong and very noble man. Like some one you would respect or look up to. Well after walking up to me he sat down and after he sat down next to me I felt like I knew this person. Funny thing was that he addressed me as his Dad!
I was in shock. How could this be my son? He looks to be the same age as me if not a few years older. Anyway, throught out the rest of the dream we sat at this bench and talked for what seemed hours. I don't remember what we talked about but I do remember when some voice called his name and when we had to say goodbye. I woke after that and sat up and had such a feeling of closure and happiness that I couldn't have felt depressed about the miscarage if I tried. The feelings I was experiencing after that dream could only be explained like this. I was proud. Proud of my son and the person he is. The vision of my son I was given, his powerful essence and persona were still lingering with me when I woke and are still with me as I write this. I thank the Lord for allowing me to meet my son. To allow me to know that he is doing fine. I have never felt prouder about anything or anyone until I woke from that dream of meeting my son.

So yes I do beleive that unborn children reach Heaven. My Tyler is there, I know it and that is enough for me to beleive that all do.

Thanks for sharing, dave. I always get reflective when I read stories like this. I've never had children of my own, but I have always wanted them, and would like to have one, one day. And it always gets me thinking of how I'd feel if a child was seemingly given to me and then somewhere along, cruelly taken away from me. As sad as this is, I'm glad that some good has come from this, and I'm glad your wife has been cleared of her cancer. I know this is an anonymous board, but it takes courage to post something like this for strangers to read. Thanks.

Hi Dave,
I'm currently pregnant with my fifth child and I'm exactly 5 months...I know your wife would have felt Tyler moving inside her and there's no other feeling that comes close, except for child birth !! Even though your baby was with your wife for only a short time, boy what an impact he had.....I've suffered 2 miscarriages but reading your story made me realise, not all of them are in vain ! I wish you and your wife all the very best in the future and may she go on to eventually experience as many births as you want !!

Thanks a lot for your reply. It is very appreciated.

Thank you for the reply. One of the hardest things about it that she has been trying to cope with is that empty feeling. She is getting better though. I think that finding out what caused the miscarriage helped her a lot. But we are ready to try again. Once again thank you for the reply.

Speaking from personal experience, that empty feeling will only go away once she falls pregnant again.....I know it will happen and having a supportive and loving husband like yourself is all she needs for the moment !! Best of luck once again.......

It is written that Metatron has the job of teaching the unborn and infants Torah is a special part of Heaven. I do believe though that they would be reincarnated

Actually there is one sin they could be guilty of... Sloth

My personal belief (also subscribed to by some others) is that salvation comes in the acceptance of christ as redeemer for the original sin. This implies a choice. Evangelists attempt to get the word out to all the world, so that everyone can make an informed choice, but unborn and young children are not capable of making this choice. Once upon a time, it was thought that this meant they could not be saved, but generally it became accepted that they were included in christs grace; eg. suffer/let the little children come unto me. The various ages for naming , christening and baptising childreen also reflects both the varing mortality rates for children over the years, and differing opinions on whether a child can be christened and thereby saved or should only be baptised when they are old enough to give informed consent. It would be a fairly harsh christian, today, who did not accept that babies and young children are granted redemption through christ's grace/sacrifice on all humanity's behalf.

You can destroy the planet, but the souls are going to keep on going, they'll keep on getting new bodies and going on to new planets. So in the end, it doesn't really matter. --George Harrison

This sums it up for me!@!

I really don't want to live on another planet because that would make me a Wookie or a Klingon or something.

I do believe that they would go to heaven. They have not been corrupted by this world yet.

to signify what you say on the miscarriage,on night repeatedly i got this almost vibrational tingly sensation fluxing up and down my body,three times it happened twice i ran down stairs to mother in shock and white as a ghost,the third time i laid there and just thought"take me!"this is when a almost static sound could be herd and i confused me i moved my head to find its where about but i couldn't the bam this child's voice neither boy or girl and very innocent told me to tell mummy,then tammy that its alright "please tell her" it said! ,tammy is my sister,so the next morning i went round my sisters ans told her,she broke down and said she had lost the babie two nights ago!

so it used me as a receptor to give a message!

Well, I believe that the child would have eternal life, for he left the world sinless. God created him from the womb, and therefore he has a soul.

i'm not a very religious person, i mean, i believe there's something out there i just don't know what it is and i'm not satisfied with any explanations any religion can give, but, i've heard a theory and i think it can be linked to your story. i think it was socrates who said that our souls already exist before we are born and they're all-knowing, but when they decide to be born, they agree to forget everything they know and come to this world, and when we die, we remember everything. that way, when we learn something new, we're merely remembering what we used to know. my point is that if unborn babies die, they go to "heaven" or wherever they came from because they were already there before coming here, they'll just have to try again. also, i don't believe in what was said before about jesus being the only way to redemption(if there is such a thing) because then it wouldn't be fair. what if wouve never in your life heard about jesus, let alone worship him, but you're a good man and help others, do you go to hell? i believe that most people feel that spiritual energy and they interpret it as best as they can, jesus was a good man who felt this energy and thet way he started preaching or whatever. in my opinion all religions are "right" and also none of them are.