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cheo_vl
Could it be possible for us to controll our actions inside our dreams??? i ask this because something weird happened to me. a few years ago i began having dreams in which i would realize that i was dreaming and immediately wake up. but a while ago i stay asleep even after i figure out that im dreaming. ill give you an example. i was dreaming that i was at the top of a hotel building with two friends. one of them thought he could jump down and land on the pool. he missed it by a lot. as i watched him splattered on the floor i looked up and screamed "he's not dead" and when i looked down he was swimming in the pool. i immediatelly realized i was dreaming but i somehow didnt wake up like i always do. after that my other friend jumped down and he was going to land on the ground too but before he landed i moved my hand toward the pool and he moved as if he was being guided by my hand. he landed safely. then i woke up. ive had almost 10 fully controlled dreams in wich i do weird things like use guns with infinite bullets or have sex with total strangers. ive come up with some theories but they all suck. since i always realize im dreaming when something terrible or very unlikely happens, i thought that maybe people can get to the point where theyre so rational and so logical that youre not fooled even by a dream. another theory that i had was that i wasnt fully asleep and it was a mix between dreaming and thinking, that would explain why everytime i realized i was sleeping i woke up, cause then the thinking became too much and overcame the dreaming but i doubt this cause it sure feels like dreaming to me. i doesnt happen too often but i like it a lot. can you imagine what it would be like if we had total control of our dreams i mean we could do whatever we wanted. you know how they say we dont use our brain to full capacity so maybe if we did we would be able to control dreams. i dont know a lot about psicology or science im more of a history and philosophy guy so if one of you has a better idea please share it.
Razer
It is called "lucid dreaming" it is quite common and there are a number of threads on the subject, just do a search and you will have lots of info to read grin2.gif
philbo
QUOTE(Razer @ Jan 24 2007, 01:18 AM) [snapback]1513210[/snapback]
It is called "lucid dreaming" it is quite common and there are a number of threads on the subject, just do a search and you will have lots of info to read grin2.gif

Oh im all for lucid dreaming.................but how come we are all rapists or incestuous pedophiles ........perhaps its ancestral genetics.........from carrying a wooden club and bashing females
Mr Walker
QUOTE(philbo @ Jan 24 2007, 10:54 AM) [snapback]1513220[/snapback]
Oh im all for lucid dreaming.................but how come we are all rapists or incestuous pedophiles ........perhaps its ancestral genetics.........from carrying a wooden club and bashing females

Rubbish! Raping and incestuous pedophilia is only a small part of lucid and controlled dreaming. Admittedly, perhaps a slighty larger part among adolescent males. This is because controlled lucid dreaming allows you to act out your fantasies, without foul or harm to anyone. (Although what you chose to dream probably does say something about your character). Personally, i grew out of the sexual fantasies (eventually) and found much more mature subjects for my controlled dreams:) Flying is one of the best, and it does not matter if it is; like superman, on a magic carpet or a dragon, or on a lightship to the stars, all are great fun. Constructing, populating and living out adventures within entire worlds is both demanding and satisfying. I put a lot of the principles learned from constructing such dreams to work, when writing adventure modules for dungeons and dragon games which my extended family used to play while we all in our twenties and thirties. Now two decades later this has been replaced by world of warcraft and other computer games. A lot of fun but not such a social activity. Imagine a dozen family members gaming at a huge wooden table for 12 hours at a time. Young children all tucked up and asleep. I digress
Razer
QUOTE(philbo @ Jan 24 2007, 01:24 AM) [snapback]1513220[/snapback]
Oh im all for lucid dreaming.................but how come we are all rapists or incestuous pedophiles ........perhaps its ancestral genetics.........from carrying a wooden club and bashing females


I don't think I want to know what you are talking about.
cheo_vl
actualy only a few of my "controlled" dreams are about sex. most of them are about some big adventure or ancient temples and stuff but something pretty weird happened to me. maybe it happens to a lot of people, you guys tell me. i was having one of those lucid dreams and my dream fooled me. a while after i realized it was a dream i fell(in the dream) and then i got up and kept walking saying to myself "damn i woke up i didnt get the chance to finish my dream"(which coincidentally was about sex) and i kept walking until i woke up and realized that i hadnt woken up when i thought i did. it was my mind playing a trick on me. in my dream, i thought i was awake but i wasnt. i dont know maybe my brain wanted to establish dominance or something. prove that he could still fool me. has anything like that happened to you?
cheo_vl
by the way, thanks about clearing that lucid dreams thing. i read a lot about it
Lotus Flower
I have had lucid dreams in the past, but a weird one the other night, I dreamed that I had permed and coloured my hair and when I washed the dye off, the hair began to break and fall out. Now in the dream I was disturbed because I remember thinking "for crying out loud, now I can't bleach it, I will end up bald" suddenly it occurred to me that I was dreaming and remember thinking "I will wake up in a mo" but I didn't - "come on, wake up, wake up"all to no avail and I therefore thought it was all real! I have to tell you that when I did eventually awake I was so relieved LOL. sleepy.gif
laveticus666
QUOTE(cheo_vl @ Jan 24 2007, 12:41 AM) [snapback]1513163[/snapback]
Could it be possible for us to controll our actions inside our dreams??? i ask this because something weird happened to me. a few years ago i began having dreams in which i would realize that i was dreaming and immediately wake up. but a while ago i stay asleep even after i figure out that im dreaming. ill give you an example. i was dreaming that i was at the top of a hotel building with two friends. one of them thought he could jump down and land on the pool. he missed it by a lot. as i watched him splattered on the floor i looked up and screamed "he's not dead" and when i looked down he was swimming in the pool. i immediatelly realized i was dreaming but i somehow didnt wake up like i always do. after that my other friend jumped down and he was going to land on the ground too but before he landed i moved my hand toward the pool and he moved as if he was being guided by my hand. he landed safely. then i woke up. ive had almost 10 fully controlled dreams in wich i do weird things like use guns with infinite bullets or have sex with total strangers. ive come up with some theories but they all suck. since i always realize im dreaming when something terrible or very unlikely happens, i thought that maybe people can get to the point where theyre so rational and so logical that youre not fooled even by a dream. another theory that i had was that i wasnt fully asleep and it was a mix between dreaming and thinking, that would explain why everytime i realized i was sleeping i woke up, cause then the thinking became too much and overcame the dreaming but i doubt this cause it sure feels like dreaming to me. i doesnt happen too often but i like it a lot. can you imagine what it would be like if we had total control of our dreams i mean we could do whatever we wanted. you know how they say we dont use our brain to full capacity so maybe if we did we would be able to control dreams. i dont know a lot about psicology or science im more of a history and philosophy guy so if one of you has a better idea please share it.



i have dreams like tis all the time. Probly 1/4 of the dreams i remember are like this. Its fun as hell. I always fly around, shoot lightning, jump out of planes, run really fast. I wish i could find a way to have these every night.
laveticus666
QUOTE(Lotus Flower @ Jan 30 2007, 04:58 PM) [snapback]1522422[/snapback]
I have had lucid dreams in the past, but a weird one the other night, I dreamed that I had permed and coloured my hair and when I washed the dye off, the hair began to break and fall out. Now in the dream I was disturbed because I remember thinking "for crying out loud, now I can't bleach it, I will end up bald" suddenly it occurred to me that I was dreaming and remember thinking "I will wake up in a mo" but I didn't - "come on, wake up, wake up"all to no avail and I therefore thought it was all real! I have to tell you that when I did eventually awake I was so relieved LOL. sleepy.gif


ha. Next time you have one like that try jumping. Its always the way i can tell if im dreaming or not. If i jump really high its a dream.
Reality Shift believer
I've started to have a dream that regularly appear at yearly intervals. Weird! Maybe someone understands mythological signs and writings, but here goes. The layout of this dream consisted of a backwards lower case r and an o slightly smaller than it. The r was on the left and the o was on the right. The o, as i drew it, appeared to be in the middle on a piece of paper. The o was connected by a short line from the middle/side of the o to the r. Draw it. I definitly know it means something. I am 90% certain. If this sign existed, I had no concious contact with the sign. I say concious because the dream is controlled sub-conciously, Which means if the sign did exist somewhere, I saw it sub-conciously, don't know how.

Anyway, the first dream I was walking and I turned right into the "o". A bunch of monsters attacked me, I assume I died, but every dream I had, I never actually died, I woke up right before. A year after, The same dream occured, but with a little twist. A sword was placed in the middle of the "r". I picked it up and then I went into the "o". The monsters appeared and I slashed them all. Maybe the mind is trying to re-correct problems. But the layout was a little out of just abstract. Just a little weirder that I remembered it and thought it meant something.

Tell me if this gets weirder. I had a dream when I was 2 yrs old. I was floating through space capturing a glimpse of what scientists call a nebula and I saw millions of stars. The funny thing is, is that the brain doesn't start recording till like age 4 minimum, so I've heard. But what gets weirder is that I woke up woken up. Another words I woke up when I was walking in a baby thing around my kitchen, wide awake. This particular event occured 16 yrs ago and I still remember it like an hour ago. I've heard of sleep walking, but I never heard of it in babies. And then the alien sightings came along. I can only wonder the possible truth......... Is it possible or a theory that doesn't pan out?

Look at history. Most theories said in history were looked at as proposterous, then here came along, and those disproved theories became the truth. And the truth is constantly bending.
Raines
www.dreamviews.com
A site completely dedicated to lucid dreaming. You'll probably find it very useful.
sanjaysandhu90210
is it possible to record dreams and then we can view it on TV
Celumnaz
I believe that technology currently exsists sanjaysandhu90210.

But it's not available to the public.
eqgumby
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QUOTE(Celumnaz @ Feb 5 2007, 08:43 PM) [snapback]1530786[/snapback]
I believe that technology currently exsists sanjaysandhu90210.

But it's not available to the public.

Cadetak
QUOTE(sanjaysandhu90210 @ Feb 5 2007, 03:38 PM) [snapback]1530777[/snapback]
is it possible to record dreams and then we can view it on TV


I cannot see how that is possible...how do you record memory or sight? How do you record something that doesn't physically exist? You can record brain patterns and anomolies while dreaming but thats it.
cladking
Dreams are random firings of neurons which are partially processed
by the brain. The firings can occur almost anywhere but the processing
takes place in the higher brain functions. As such they can provide in-
sights into the individual. This process is independent of consciousness
and there are various levels and states of consciousness.

As a child I was always interested in having lucid dreams but my con-
trol was never extremely good. I'd lose control altogether or wake in
a few minutes. The dream would proceed almost as though I weren't
there and watching in other cases.

On one occasion I invented a restaurant to visit and when I started feel-
ing uncomfortable I unwisely announced that I was going to have to wake
up. I was suddenly besieged by characters begging and threatening me
not to wake since their existence would cease. Suddenly I was trapped
in the dream. I tried screaming to wake up but screamed only in the dream.
It took many seconds to wake up and I woke up screaming which was not
volition.

Any more when I catch myself dreaming I'll just sit back and watch. I try
to analyze why things are proceeding as they are. It's easier for me than
trying to direct events and it's far likelier that it will be remembered.
Celumnaz
QUOTE(eqgumby @ Feb 5 2007, 08:21 PM) [snapback]1531205[/snapback]
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http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?...&RS=3951134
QUOTE
Brain wave responsive programmable electronic visual display systems


Abstract
The present invention provides electronic visual display systems which operate on an input signal to provide visual outputs having patterns, colors and motions which may be varied in accordance with a predetermined scheme. The amplitude, tempo and frequency content of the input signals are used in a variety of logical selection functions to control the color, pattern and motion of lights in a visual display matrix having three dimensional properties in a manner influenced by the contents of programmed memory components. The memory component programming is sufficiently flexible to provide a variety of visual effects from the systems. Systems of this type for displaying both audio input signals and brain wave input signals are provided.


I think that tech Started in '73, so after 30 years, and exponential growth in technology... I believe the technology is already here and not available to the public. Most likely in the military or some black ops or something.
cladking
QUOTE(Celumnaz @ Feb 7 2007, 09:46 AM) [snapback]1533353[/snapback]
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?...&RS=3951134
I think that tech Started in '73, so after 30 years, and exponential growth in technology... I believe the technology is already here and not available to the public. Most likely in the military or some black ops or something.



I seriously doubt that this will ever be possible. There is simply too much
difference between individuals to calibrate such a machine. You'd be smelling
colors and hearing hot. Memories and wiring vary between individuals.

Months and months of calibrating for both the sender and reciever would
return only barely recognizable information.

At the current time even the simplest calibration with the least variance among
individuals would require a brain operation.
Celumnaz
not really, brainwaves themselves can be controlled....

Apparatus and method for remotely monitoring and altering brain waves


Abstract
Apparatus for and method of sensing brain waves at a position remote from a subject whereby electromagnetic signals of different frequencies are simultaneously transmitted to the brain of the subject in which the signals interfere with one another to yield a waveform which is modulated by the subject's brain waves. The interference waveform which is representative of the brain wave activity is re-transmitted by the brain to a receiver where it is demodulated and amplified. The demodulated waveform is then displayed for visual viewing and routed to a computer for further processing and analysis. The demodulated waveform also can be used to produce a compensating signal which is transmitted back to the brain to effect a desired change in electrical activity therein.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?...ry=PN%2F3951134
moomooman
To reality shift believer: when i was small i had a dream that reoccured a lot of my cousin stabbing my family with a knife and me hiding behind a wall of piled stuff and after the first time i would always wake up after this or realize i was dreaming and be scared/mad/sad then wake up with slightly different things happening each time.

and like laveticus666 said to test if you really astral projected or if your dreaming or what have you jump. if you float up and hit your head on the roof or have trouble controlling yourself or go through the roof you've either astral projected or are dreaming or somewhere in between depending on your controllability.

and ive had dreams where i would be somewhere else for an extended period of time like a couple days to a week and went to sleep in my dreamworld and woke back up in my dreamworld. not just that but while in my dreamworld time for a dreamworld day or two ive had dreamworld dreams. and in one "real" night ive been in a week long dream, then woke up (or so i thought) to realize that i was just dreaming, get up, go to the bathroom, (fake)remember that my bathroom light doesnt work still and be like "man, mom still hasnt got a new light!? i need to remind her" check my face, go bathroom then go back to sleep so i wont be tired in the morning, start dreaming again then wake up for reals in the morning only to realize that my whole bathroom journey was fake because my light was never broken and i didnt even wet the bed when i fake went to the bathroom.

Another dream experience was kinda the same except this time it wasnt more than one dream day in a consecutive story, but a buch of different dream time storylines separated by me ending up back in my bed lieing down but not ever returning back to full awakeness. i would realize where i was (my bed) and where and what was happening before i was there (in dreamland dreaming) and, knowing some astral projection techniques and having sorta been practicing it for a couple years now, would visualize-make beleive-so it felt like, my body was running perpendicular to itself. so it would be like this: what i knew and felt to be my "Real" body would be horizontal on my bed and what i felt and guessed was my other body would be vertical going through my bed and slightly in the floor while i was standing up. i would only have to hold this feeling for a split second and i was blasted off upward through my roof and through space time, like through a wall or something , and as soon as i came through the other side i was travelling down towards the ground by some highway and some telephone poles with some people, sometimes the ones from before or some other before and continue on from some other storyline i had going on that was just as real and everything as the one i normally call waking life only on different intervals it seemed and harder to be aware of. this happened about 5 times one night when usually it will only happen once when im first trying to sleep and not happen again but instead i just end up regular sleeping.

it makes me believe that we have an infinite number of existences all occuring simultaniously with one another but we are only able to be aware of one at a time. and the one we are most aware in, or become most aware in while we are infants is the one we will most commonly think is real existence and our others will become our dreamstories which we think are fake. and since adults shape babies realities while their young and sorta through genes and cultural trends and groups sorta living as one can create a common outline of what is thought of as normal reality, we've got stuck into this groove that belives that only one of our many lives is real and no matter how real the other ones feel sometimes, they're fake. and this conception is wrong. believing in ourselves as only one is the ego and the ego is false, it makes us forget where we came from and the majority of our real selfs.

i kinda got off subject i think but whatev.
Reality Shift believer
QUOTE(moomooman @ Feb 7 2007, 08:27 PM) [snapback]1534108[/snapback]
To reality shift believer: when i was small i had a dream that reoccured a lot of my cousin stabbing my family with a knife and me hiding behind a wall of piled stuff and after the first time i would always wake up after this or realize i was dreaming and be scared/mad/sad then wake up with slightly different things happening each time.

and like laveticus666 said to test if you really astral projected or if your dreaming or what have you jump. if you float up and hit your head on the roof or have trouble controlling yourself or go through the roof you've either astral projected or are dreaming or somewhere in between depending on your controllability.

and ive had dreams where i would be somewhere else for an extended period of time like a couple days to a week and went to sleep in my dreamworld and woke back up in my dreamworld. not just that but while in my dreamworld time for a dreamworld day or two ive had dreamworld dreams. and in one "real" night ive been in a week long dream, then woke up (or so i thought) to realize that i was just dreaming, get up, go to the bathroom, (fake)remember that my bathroom light doesnt work still and be like "man, mom still hasnt got a new light!? i need to remind her" check my face, go bathroom then go back to sleep so i wont be tired in the morning, start dreaming again then wake up for reals in the morning only to realize that my whole bathroom journey was fake because my light was never broken and i didnt even wet the bed when i fake went to the bathroom.

Another dream experience was kinda the same except this time it wasnt more than one dream day in a consecutive story, but a buch of different dream time storylines separated by me ending up back in my bed lieing down but not ever returning back to full awakeness. i would realize where i was (my bed) and where and what was happening before i was there (in dreamland dreaming) and, knowing some astral projection techniques and having sorta been practicing it for a couple years now, would visualize-make beleive-so it felt like, my body was running perpendicular to itself. so it would be like this: what i knew and felt to be my "Real" body would be horizontal on my bed and what i felt and guessed was my other body would be vertical going through my bed and slightly in the floor while i was standing up. i would only have to hold this feeling for a split second and i was blasted off upward through my roof and through space time, like through a wall or something , and as soon as i came through the other side i was travelling down towards the ground by some highway and some telephone poles with some people, sometimes the ones from before or some other before and continue on from some other storyline i had going on that was just as real and everything as the one i normally call waking life only on different intervals it seemed and harder to be aware of. this happened about 5 times one night when usually it will only happen once when im first trying to sleep and not happen again but instead i just end up regular sleeping.

it makes me believe that we have an infinite number of existences all occuring simultaniously with one another but we are only able to be aware of one at a time. and the one we are most aware in, or become most aware in while we are infants is the one we will most commonly think is real existence and our others will become our dreamstories which we think are fake. and since adults shape babies realities while their young and sorta through genes and cultural trends and groups sorta living as one can create a common outline of what is thought of as normal reality, we've got stuck into this groove that belives that only one of our many lives is real and no matter how real the other ones feel sometimes, they're fake. and this conception is wrong. believing in ourselves as only one is the ego and the ego is false, it makes us forget where we came from and the majority of our real selfs.

i kinda got off subject i think but whatev.


Off the subject? Come on, now I know there is more like me who feel this way. Thanks. I always believed the soul was much older than the bodies we are in. I just had another lucid dream where I was in school and I recieved a note that said I had a car waiting in the parking lot. If I remember correctly, the paper said the license plate number was 12-B 27268B, or somethin like that format. The car was shaped like a Prowler. It was smaller, couldn't fit an engine bigger than a small inline 4 cylinder. The color was a lime green and the interior was black and yellow. I sat in it and the shifter was et up like those car simulators games. The ignition was a little messed up. You had to stick a piece of metal in a hole to start it. I whipped a chevy astro van key out. Started up and drove away. It lasted about 2 minutes. Ya know how dreamviews.com says you have to develop the ability to have a realistic dream? I think I had that ability naturally. It was by-far, the coolest dream, dispite my best wishes of a dream to happen that involved a girl relationship with me. Although it was weird that I had an intimate dream with a girl I thought was beautiful in 4th grade which changed my life forever. I had never talked to another girl till about 2, 3 years. Through that experience I have become way more smarter and intelligent with a balance of seriousness and humor. It felt so real it was unbelieveable, its like I was ACTUALLY THERE. Then I've gained the ability to simulate pain, like bullet wounds, flesh torn off, knife wounds etc. Sometimes I jolt and actually hold my leg or somethin. I can actually feel the knife entering end exiting the other side. Why I can do this, I have no freakin clue.


Just about a year ago, I had a dream I kissed a girl again. She was blonde, great body, 5'7" my height, wore green tee shirt and tight jeans which gave me the impression it was spring time, and it was in my house next to an unfinished staircase, I'm assuming it is a preminition. I never saw her face. Blonde and my height, there is only one girl I've seen who was blonde, matched the body, and my height. Imagine having a dream like that, not knowing that girl had that dream at the same time...Makes people like me wonder, what if dreams are like the movie "The Matrix"

The weird thing is, is that when a dream ends, I don't wake up until my alarm goes off. I have never had a dream where I woke up at 4 o clock
Red_Mercury
Most of my dreams I can control and wake up from whenever I want. Sometimes though, I cant. And those are usually the ones I wake up in a panic or suddenly. Its really wierd.
moomooman
to reality shift: do you also have the feeling that sometimes what your doing in your dreams is more real and more important than what youve come to think of as real reality? or have you been doing things in a dream and then woke up then when you go to sleep the next night your still in the same storyline but its progressed while you were awake and even though you didnt dream what happened inbetween you still know whats going on without question because you somehow did experience it and never actually stopped experiencing it. its weird but i hope you understand what im saying.
Mysterious Molecules
Lucid Dreaming is fun, but takes alot of mental effort to keep working on it. I myself have slipped on the road, but i'll be exploring soon again original.gif
megashredder
You can't conrol dreams I know ive tried and about the recordign thing I would love to do something like that but I would NOT want people seeing my dreams especialy certain ones.
moomooman
and now why is that? are you not comfortabke wiht yourself and who you are? are you embaressed about what goes on in your dreams? you should be embaressed that you get embaressed about things like dreams. they are your thoughts on the deepest and shallowest levels and you should be proud of them. and by the way you can control dreams, sounds like you need more work at it.
Reality Shift believer
Come to think of it, I remember having a dream that changed my views entirely on the real world of women. That was when I was in 4th grade I believe. I saw this girl I really liked, thought she was cute. Yeah OK. I had a dream some short time ahead where I was in a room making out with her. She was on top of me and the walls were pink.LOL. That morning when I woke up, I was a changed person. I never talked to a girl again, didn't even attempt to talk to one, I socially isolated myself for 8 years. This is my last year in school. And I am desperately trying to get back on track. Now its 12th grade and none of the girls in school are the ones I'd want to be with. Then I had another dream this year where I was laying down in a porch on a mattress and a girl wearing only underwear came up to me and wanted to know if I wanted to have S.E.X....Yikes I said yes, but what the weird thing was, is I felt exactly how I would've felt as if someone did that to me now...Nervous. And since that dream, I've been a little more smarter and open. To make things weirder, That dream 8 years ago, I felt everything in that dream.

Dreams that change lives.......Figure that one out... I know I can't...Or Can I?
Vague
It happens to me a lot, where i realize I'm dreaming and I can control my surroundings.
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