Honestly I believe it adds to their credibility...

Thought you could sneak that one in there huh lol?!? Are you working for the darklord, are you!?!

I advise you and everyone else to rent the movie Vanilla Sky, not just for the scenes with Penelope Cruz's boobies but for the higher truths woven into film and of course for Tom Christs exceptional performance. Speaking of Penelope Cruz, Bandidas is an awesome movie, it also has Selma Hayek in it. If you love Spanish speaking, chaps wearing, gun shooting ladies this ones for you.

Celebrity endorsments have nothing to do with spirituality (neither does scientology). By your logic we should do everything celebrities do. Billy Dee Williams drinks Colt45, do you? You have been brain washed into believing a bunch of lies. If you want to run around an worship "idols" from television and the movies then you have given your self completely to the illusions created in hollywood and to the mindless consumerism of fake culture. All that glitters in not gold.

You are a cog in a wheel that will spin you round and round and then dump you empty handed at the end of your live. You have been reduced to a tool that will be used up and discarded.

And all you have to do to keep your blindfold on, is claim anything that exposes the lies behind scientology is the work of Xenu. Never mind elron's connections to Aleister Crowley and occultist Jack parsons. Its all the lies of Xenu! Never mind you worship the science fiction writings of a wife beating, self absorbed, pathological lier, its all the work of Xenu! Never mind being "clear" means wandering around in a zombie like haze, repeating lines you have been programed to like "what are your crimes", its all the work of Xenu!

gooooo tom booze

Yes indeed we should do everything celebrities do, so we can become celebrities and have our pictures taken and be on the cover of glamorous magazines too, so others can aspire to be as we are and be on the cover of magazines. I didnt know Billy Dee drank Colt45, I will start drinking it tonight. I agree not all that glitters is gold, some is silver which are the TV celebrities because no one dreams of just being a TV star on some sitcom, they dream of the big screen, blockbusters, supporting roles with Tom Christ!

And you? You are the little kitten that the wheel that I am a cog in will run over. This wheel might be put in an agricultural artifact museum someday if it were used for farming or maybe a race car museum if it were a Bridgestone racing tire and be viewed with admiration for eternity whereas dead kittens are buried and forgotten.



I believe you are beginning to understand, these are all BIG FAT XENU LIES!!! Although I can still see with a blindfold on, I have the eyes to see sort of like those karate movies where the guy learns to fight with a blindfold on, or like that scene in Star Wars, ya like that!

Funny. Its obvious you are joking. First off, true believers in scientology wouldnt go around throwing around the name of xenu. Thats information most scientologist are not even given. The name of xenu is something you have to spend alot of money rising up in the ranks of scientology to learn. And then its something you dont talk about. Also criticism of scientology like I have posted wouldnt be met by your seemingly indifferent responses. And a cult like scientology wouldnt allow its followers to be influenced by "doing anything celebrities do", they reserve the power of control over their flock to themselves.

But I swore on Tom Christ's virgin birth, doesnt that mean anything to you?

Perhaps I am a high ranking Scientologist.... $50,000 in three years....

Or maybe I have the bravery to stand up for my beliefs even if that requires bringing up Xenu....

I am a brainwashed soldier of Scientology on a mission to spread and defend the truth....

I'm actually a Tom Cruise stalker, stalkarazzi.....

I am baby Suri defending her father.....

Damn it none of these will do, OK fine two days later I'll admit it I couldnt give a rats *** about Scientology and I'm getting bored with this anyway(translation: you hurt my feel bads by exposing me lol). Well anyways back to calling God an ***.

Hey, how about some type twelve quantum torpedoes with an explosive yield of 104 isotons. That will really kick Xenus butt.

Xenu, Xenu,Xenu, oops I said Xenu. Come get me Xenu, thats right there's only one true dark lord and thats Darth Vader.

Darth Vader's a sell out to!

Yeah! Just don't chant that looking in a mirror, in the dark. Weird things happen when you can suddenly smell the sea and Old Bay seasoning, all at once. (Sorry, clam humor again. Naughty Atheist! )

I hope not, because then I'm screwed.


So Tom Cruise can be used for a promotional tool and people point and laugh.

If the Christians throw some starving child on tv, it's ok.

If the Jews, through a writer on tv talking about the Jewish faith, it's ok.

If the Muslims put a new scholar out there in the media, it's ok.


Religions hate other religions claims to the truth because it exposes their own scam on humanity.

Oh ya I'm still interested in some weaponry, Cadetak47 made a pretty good offer for a bundle pack for one million credits, can you beat that? Type twelve quantum torpedoes with an explosive yield of 104 isotons does sound tempting however, I'll PM you the coordinates to my Imperial-1 Class Star Destroyer, just knock on my secondary forward docking bay.

I agree. Hopefully one day Scientology does some serious damage to the way humanity in general views religion, thats my hope anyway lol.

Its funny that so many people call Scientology a cult whereas Christianity is called a religion, as you mentoned earlier Christianity was considered a cult at one time. The only difference I can see between a cult and a religion is the number of members they have and that cults tend to have more charismatic leaders lol.

Well the lawsuits are probably a good start.

Ele anything that is an exclusivist can only believe a certain way or you can't join is a cult , relgion is a cult no matter what they say , you can't go into a church and freely celebrate your homomsexuality, or read out of your own book, share your ideas on things...Your a follower, one size fits all, they define the quetions and the answers.................Gosh this is news to me i just assumed everyone knew religon was a cult......

Life is acult. You either ascribe to someones rules or it's the law of the jungle and someone may just eat you. I think I may become a hermit.

MD you do have a point there .......now this is the part where someone comes and says but you have free will...oy vey....

Just watched a tv programme here called 'The Friday Night Project'. One of the presenters said 'Jesus walked on water, Tom walks on built up shoes. So not really alike are they. However Tom got his mrs to have a child with no drugs, so perhaps there was the miracle of the burning bush'

Gee Darth Vader really is a sell out. Who would've known? I'll see about taking his lightsaber away and his amour; so I can find a new Dark Lord. Maybe I can clone Darth Maul????

A science fiction Jesus... wonder if they'll print comics.

Well, I just found out Xenu has a DeathStar Battle Station, but I can beat that. I've got a mobile adaptive missle system callled "Dreadnaught." It has 1000 kilo tons of matter and another 1000 kilo tons anitmatter; enough to destroy a small moon. In fact I'll throw in 5 Galaxy starships and 6 Prometheus class tactical combat starships (prometheus class ships have a multi vectored assult mode; they seperate into 3 seperate ships) for free with the purchase of the "Dreadnaught" Missile system. (The Galaxy Class ships actually come with type twelve quatum torpedoes)

Why are we bashing Scientology? Of course worshiping an evil dark lord aliens is weird but so is worshiping a two thousand year old ghost carpenter who lives in the clouds.

So Scientology has celebrity backing...so what. Christianity has Mel Gibson. It shouldn't matter the what job they have.

Scientology is no worse then any other religion.

I think it's safe to assume(although I've been proven wrong before) that Eleleth 4/4 is PULLING YOUR COLLECTIVE LEGS !!!! He's the meanest, he's the baddest but also the funniest dude in town !!!! Where's your sense of humour ?? Oh, that's right Xenu's to blame........

Oh come on! This really is just too much. Let me guess, his role in War of the Worlds was prophetic?

~fakes best valley girl accent here>~ Well, like surrrre! I meannnnn! ~snaps gum~

the story of Xenu and his Galactic Confederacy. Xenu (sometimes Xemu) is introduced as an alien ruler of the "Galactic Confederacy" who, 75 million years ago, brought billions of people to Earth in spacecraft resembling Douglas DC-8 airliners, stacked them around volcanoes and blew them up with hydrogen bombs. Their souls then clustered together and stuck to the bodies of the living. The alien souls continue to do this today, causing a variety of physical ill-effects in modern-day humans. Hubbard called these clustered spirits "Body Thetans," and the advanced levels place considerable emphasis on isolating them and neutralizing their ill effects.[17] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology

The spaceships in WotW and the aliens, invading and assimilating people. Remember the cages TC was put in, when he and his daughter were captured. No mistaking the father daughter symbols there. Male god, virgin. Like that. Sheesh! I mean it's not like this Xenu guy is a good alien or anything, riiiight? It says he brought billions of people here and blew them up in a volcano and that's why the world is weird today, making scientology all necessary and stuff, so you can exercise that free will to cleanse yourself of the (sin) influence of those bad spirits Xenu let loose here in those volcano's. Really is something to aspire to huh? Clearing yourself of that alien nasty that came into you , thanks to Xenu crisping all those people in Volcano's?! Good thing a Sci-Fi write got the insight on how to get rid of that stuff. Must be special, and since it's so vital to be all you can be, it stands to reason it would be costly. After all, ya gotta want it, but you gotta commit, to! Nothing says commitment like writing that check. And if it doesn't work? Well, it's all you. You just chose to waste your money and continue to be plagued by naughty ghosts catching a ride and drivin ya crazy!


Bad X, bad bad X! We'd all be ok if you hadn't put that alien virus in us. If I accept Tom christ as my savior, do I get a coupon for the first clas$, so I can learn to know my inner alien and then wash away my sins!?


~snaps gum again and again and....~


Yes, that may sound like ridicule and all manner of disrespect. But that ties in with the other thread about religious tollerance. In the bare bones of something that purports to qualify itself and it's philosophy, as a religion, one has to look at what that claimant is trying to say it knows above all others!? Thus it feels it has the right, the duty, to impart it's understanding to all that will listen. And those that don't understand or ridicule? Well that's easily solved. They're just not ready to hear the truth.

Sound familiar?

Xenu or allah, it all has to come into account when one decides to accept what an institution or philosophy claims it knows , that you don't. And that means looking at it from the very root of it's beginnings. The undertone of what is there, claiming itself wise. In this case of scientology, it's clearing yourself of a soul that migrated from the incinerated body of evil people, thrown into volcano's. And you're susceptible to all manner of that souls influence because humanity evolved from clams! Like that made us less than smart from the beginning, so of course we were wide open for that evil soul (sin) to get in. We're left wanting from our inception! But there's a way to change all that. If you only first believe! You must first allow yourself to believe you need saving.



L.Ron Hubbard was a great many evil xenu spirits, wrapped in one man. But one thing he was for certain, was keenly aware of human nature. We tend to accept we're not enough in ourselves, to know what's best for us. So instead we cling to what others tell us is the reason why we feel that way, and then offer us instruction to feel better, if we follow the rules after we've accepted the philosophy, that tells us how to save ourselves from (believing) all that.


http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubbard

LOL....anyone who accepts Tom Cruise as their personal saviour will get to go to Vallina Sky Heaven and cyrogenically get their body frozen in underground bombproof (and alien proof) vaults, so when they are defrosted they can walk with Cruise and fly to Uranus! Oh, I'm having fun with this one lol.

Next thing you know tom cruise will have pyramids built in honour of him and it will be the stupid ones that have no cash but belong to scientology who will be building it.

Do I sense tongue in cheek here?

Does Scientology only attract celebrities?

I hear Cruise has been trying to convert Beckham

Wouldn't Jesus have gone to convert the poor?

The poor don't enter the doors of Scientology. Though they might leave, later.

I doubt jesus would have endorsed the celebrity center, in his day. I love that name! I picture a WalMart like environment, where one might chance a run in with Jenna Elfman,Isaac Hayes, Juliet Lewis, or Beck. Waving brochures advertising the next level toward Thetan. Goals! It's a good thing. And when I'm worthy I'll be a super Thetan! Faster than a speeding debit card, stronger than Kirsties urge to eat. Able to zoom by tall buildings of the Jehovah witnesses, and go:

Mind the tights, they tend to run and I'm fresh out of nail polish. ~cough~

Does that mean he'll fly to the planet Uranus or some elses anus or both.

On television a few years back they used to have claymation "celebrity death matches" which were funny, but a little odd. I would like to see this with Tom Cruise and Mel Gibson, to see who the victor would be. But Cruise would probably have Travolta cheat by distracting the Ref eree with some Saturday night fever disco moves.

Alister Crowley was a scientologist too, and he was known as the most evilest man on earth. I used to have a crush on Tom Cruise and John Travolta for the longest time 20+ years, but after I did some research on scientology, I've come to the conclusion that it is in fact an evil cult, so those long time crushes are no more.

All you have to do is go to google.com and type "aleister crowley+scientology" in the search box, then you decide for your self.

L. Ron Hubbard, he wrote the book on dianetics, which is all about scientology, well he was a follower of Aleister Crowley.
Scientology is an evil cult, pretending to be a good religion, ahhh, deception........one of the devil's favorite tools to use on people of the Earth.

Aleister Crowley was not a scientologist.

Oh yeah, google search it, see for yourself.

Scientology is not old enough for Crowley. It just came about after L. Ron Hubbard made it up 20 years ago or so.

How about you google and prove your claim.

Aleister Crowley died in 1947. Scientology was established in 1952. Ergo, Aleister C. could not be a Scientologist.

Immediately prior to his first Dianetics publications, Hubbard was involved with occultist Jack Parsons in performing rites developed by Aleister Crowley. Some researchers have noted similarities in Hubbard's writings to the doctrines of Crowley. In a 1952 lecture, Hubbard praised Crowley's works and referred to him as "my very good friend", though the Church of Scientology currently denies any such connection.

wiki source

This is how they all got started... some hip and cool, innocent new philosophy ... then BAMMO !!! Here comes a Cruisade!!

Because your religion is more realistic right?

Becareful his message if you choose to accept it might self destruct at anytime.


I have to say i think Tom is a little crazy.

And in the context of that Wikipedia source, does it say Crowley was a Scientologist?

^Not at all. I wasn't agreeing with the poster that stated Crowley was a Scientologist, I was just bringing up a possible link between Crowley's teachings and the teachings of Scientology. I guess you could say that (at best), Hubbard was a warlock, rather than Crowley was a Scientologist (since it has been correctly pointed out that Crowley preceded Scientology). But now we're just arguing semantics, I think

Arguing semantics? Is that how you see it?! Why would you answer a question put to someone else that made the statement about Crowley/Scientology in the first place on a subject that has no relativity to Crowley or Thelema!? Thus far the allusion to a Crowley link is just that. Hearsay and projections, nothing concrete. So really Crowley's practice/philosophy has no place in a discussion of Scientology when the two practices can not be linked by any credible source.

Yeah, it's a brainwashing cult. There are too many stories of people who end up insane, penniless, and dead after joining scientology. They rob people blind charging to help remove "thetans". L. Ron Hubbard died as a fugitive for stealing government money.



HArdly anymore farfetched than true Christian beliefs!

So would I, too! I detest that little weasel! Never liked him, never will. No, he can't be my savior! I'd rather take my chances on saving myself! Come & get me aliens! Come & get me Xenu! I ain't afraid of any of you!

And just like Reincarnated said: I'll join you! Listening to all the bs about Co$ & other religions, makes me remember why I'm agnostic! God is real, God exsists, but I sincerely doubt that he's in any church. To steal a line from Robin Williams Live in NY: God looked down from heaven and said, "I did not make those." Sure, he was talking about funky breast enhancements, but it seems to fit here as well.

I don't need to get out of this country that permits the exercise of freedom of religion, just because I don't agree or respect a religion. I dare say, researching other countries politics and social mores, one might feel it better to stay where they are. Being an expatriate holds it's risks in itself. Especially now.

I won't elaberate, because it's off topic but, I agree with GW.

Thanks. We aren't off topic at all. I was just commenting on something Glynne64 said, that Reincarnated said.