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Im always afraid that death is going to be like what my life was like before i was born......eternal nothingness...until one day.....something. sorry its very confusing for me to try to get out and many people have different views but think of all the things that happened when we werent here. dinosaurs, the earth being formed, the formation of religion, columbus, the list goes on basically forever ALL those things happened and we had no clue about them unless we were taught about them... what im trying to say is that if death is the absense of life then werent we already dead before we were born? wouldnt it be exactly the same. think about it like this. theres darkness..and this darkness isnt actually there because it is just the absence of light...then someone turns a light on hmm lets say for 75 years... then one day the light goes out...wouldnt it be exactly the same as before? just the absense of light (life). im not saying theres no god or heaven....i really really hope there is but this fact just scares me
Let children walk with Nature, let them see the beautiful blendings and communions of death and life, their joyous inseparable unity, as taught in woods and meadows, plains and mountains and streams of our blessed star, and they will learn that death is stingless indeed, and as beautiful as life.
-John Muir
I'm not really afraid of death, it's going to happen if I like it or not. So I've accepted it. In my situation it wasn't really fun as I thought I was going to kick the bucket.
I also don't believe in a god or a heaven. Yet, I'm still fine with the idea. It'd oddly calming for me to drift off in my own head and know my breaths count down my time.
Uncountable lifes have been on this earth and died without so much as a whisper of what they did in their lifetime. They have been long dead and forgotten.
In a a blink of the universe, we'll be nothing but energy flowing through the universe. Nothing will remember us. All that we worked for will be for nothing. All our dreams and hopes will never be heard.
Do what you like with the time you have, it's all you'll ever have.
-John Muir
I'm not really afraid of death, it's going to happen if I like it or not. So I've accepted it. In my situation it wasn't really fun as I thought I was going to kick the bucket.
I also don't believe in a god or a heaven. Yet, I'm still fine with the idea. It'd oddly calming for me to drift off in my own head and know my breaths count down my time.
Uncountable lifes have been on this earth and died without so much as a whisper of what they did in their lifetime. They have been long dead and forgotten.
In a a blink of the universe, we'll be nothing but energy flowing through the universe. Nothing will remember us. All that we worked for will be for nothing. All our dreams and hopes will never be heard.
Do what you like with the time you have, it's all you'll ever have.
deep yeah i always feel like im the only one who truely doesnt give a f@@@ we are only here for 70 years (if we are lucky) so why worry about things like grades or money or things like that. i mean do your best but if it doesnt work out just remember your space dust compared to the universe so let ur hair down. and compared to eternity we are here for a fraction of a milisecond.
Either there is or there is not life after death. If not I guess you would be un-aware of the condition anyway. It is odd to think that we go into nothingness. But from a physics point of view nothing is lost in the universe. It changes, but it is not lost. We came from something that brought us about in eternity past and I suppose we are along for the ride because we too are a part of this universe.
R3load, I know exactly where you are coz I was there not too long ago. At night it always seemed worse thinking about it though, a real fear that one day, death, would actually happen to me!
But the thing that scares you seems to comfort me. When you say, 'if it's like what it was before I was born' then i think, great, I got nothing to worry about! I've not been alive before for an eternity of time so why does it bother me going back there?
True, if there is nothing after life, then absolutely nothing matters. period. It doesnt matter if I treat people good or bad, I'm gunna die at some point. They're gunna die at some point anyways, so who gives a monkey. However, I see life as an opportunity. I plan to live my life to the fullest and enjoy it as much as possible. It makes me happy to see other people enjoying their lives, so I try to make it as good for everyone else as much as i would like life to be for me! Yea, it's a meaningless existance, but what else are you supposed to do with your life?
It does sound like I'm ignoring the impending fact of death, but there's absolutely nothing I can do about it, so there's no point worrying about it. I've looked into all types of religions, but haven't found anything that I beleive in, so I'm going to take my chances. If there is a God or number of Gods, I just hope they take pity on me. Life is too short preparing for the unknown!
Just my opinion and it works for me. Find whats best for you.
But the thing that scares you seems to comfort me. When you say, 'if it's like what it was before I was born' then i think, great, I got nothing to worry about! I've not been alive before for an eternity of time so why does it bother me going back there?
True, if there is nothing after life, then absolutely nothing matters. period. It doesnt matter if I treat people good or bad, I'm gunna die at some point. They're gunna die at some point anyways, so who gives a monkey. However, I see life as an opportunity. I plan to live my life to the fullest and enjoy it as much as possible. It makes me happy to see other people enjoying their lives, so I try to make it as good for everyone else as much as i would like life to be for me! Yea, it's a meaningless existance, but what else are you supposed to do with your life?
It does sound like I'm ignoring the impending fact of death, but there's absolutely nothing I can do about it, so there's no point worrying about it. I've looked into all types of religions, but haven't found anything that I beleive in, so I'm going to take my chances. If there is a God or number of Gods, I just hope they take pity on me. Life is too short preparing for the unknown!
Just my opinion and it works for me. Find whats best for you.
hi, my name is toby tyler and i am new to this forum. i'm not quite sure how it works so if i step on anyones toes i am deeply sorry. i have never been to a point where i didn't believe in god. and the older i get the more i believe. i have seen and been thru to much not to. i am 54 years old so not a spring chicken. in 1994 i developed a abdominal hernia. i went to a dr. and he told me i would have to have surgery to fix it. he then asked me when i had my last mammogram. i told him i had never had one. he told me to get undressed and he would check. i did and he said he didnt feel anything. he then set me up for a mommogram. i went to see him on a monday. i had the mammo on tues. which was really quick. the results came back on wed. i had a fast growing lump the size of a marble next to my chest wall. no one could feel it not even me. i had surgery on thursday and they removed my breast. i was out of the hospital by sunday. all of this in 1 week. when i went back to see him the nurses all came up to me to say how happy they were for me. that this had never happened before. i asked the dr. what made him check me for a lump when i was in there for a hernia. he smiled and pointed up. he said if i had not got the hernia that brought me in i would not have felt the lump until it was to late. so i know there is a god. there is a higher power that watches over us. there is a better place we will go to if we believe. i am not trying to push my beliefs just giving my opinion. like i told a friend of mine when she told me there was no god. if how she believes is true then none of this matters. if how i feel is true then she will be in trouble. why take that chance. thanks for listening. toby
^Not to bug, but it couldn't be him just being a good doctor? My doctor gives me, an atheist, excellent treatment everytime I have gone in and he goes above and beyond what I go there for. Last time I went in for my foot, he also gave me a flu shot, cold medicine and did a quick look over of my bump on my head. Just means he was doing his job well.
thanks for your opinion toby but when i think of god I think of a man who would understand if we dont believe in him. he wouldnt condemn us to a eternity of burning in flames.....that just wouldnt make sense if the most holiest of things would do that to anyone of his sons. this is all speaking hypothetically of course.
In my eyes, death is a dreamless sleep...
I myself find eternal nothingness very appealing, but I am a mother of 3 boys 4 if hubbys count lots to do all the time and jsut to be nothing would be heaven imo, nothing what a beautiful word let me say it again, nothing..um um .... I can almost taste it...lol about 30, 40 years to go ...*rubs hands with glee*
"Death is nothing to us, since where we are, death has not come, and when death has come, we are not."
QUOTE(R3LOAD @ Jan 25 2007, 06:13 PM) [snapback]1515787[/snapback]
Im always afraid that death is going to be like what my life was like before i was born......eternal nothingness...
How do you know what life was like before you were born ?
QUOTE(clover @ Jan 26 2007, 01:07 AM) [snapback]1516191[/snapback]
How do you know what life was like before you were born ?
.......exactly....I dont know anything, I have NO knowledge what so ever of it
Let us run with a little logic, okay?
When you die, what happens to your body? I dissolves back into its original elements. THis my take enturies, but it is natural.
Let us assume, just for a moment, that the "soul" exists. We should be able to use the "body" as a logical model. The soul goes back to its origins, i.e., to "God", with the assumption that God also exists. Why should it be any different?
When you die, what happens to your body? I dissolves back into its original elements. THis my take enturies, but it is natural.
Let us assume, just for a moment, that the "soul" exists. We should be able to use the "body" as a logical model. The soul goes back to its origins, i.e., to "God", with the assumption that God also exists. Why should it be any different?
QUOTE(GIDEON MAGE @ Jan 26 2007, 03:23 PM) [snapback]1516929[/snapback]
Let us run with a little logic, okay?
When you die, what happens to your body? I dissolves back into its original elements. THis my take enturies, but it is natural.
Let us assume, just for a moment, that the "soul" exists. We should be able to use the "body" as a logical model. The soul goes back to its origins, i.e., to "God", with the assumption that God also exists. Why should it be any different?
When you die, what happens to your body? I dissolves back into its original elements. THis my take enturies, but it is natural.
Let us assume, just for a moment, that the "soul" exists. We should be able to use the "body" as a logical model. The soul goes back to its origins, i.e., to "God", with the assumption that God also exists. Why should it be any different?
what im trying to say is there is no such thing as death just like there is no such thing as dark.. death is the lack of having life
During life our instincts keep us alive, the deep instinct and the fact that we have a conscious mind, almost dictates that people want to believe in some form of life after death. The conceived notion that everything comes to a standstill and is no more, is a hard pill to swallow for a lot of people, hence the creation of gods, religions, probably.
Life is precious to ourselves, but having lost our lives we also loose the consciousness of our demise, we loose our life and the knowledge that we are no longer alive. In essence there would be nothing to worry about then...but we still do.
I contemplated all of this a lot and was a firm non-believer when it came to life after death, but certain experiences and reaching deep into my mind, gave me a different picture.
I clearly remember a recurring dream from the time I was about 3 yearls old. My grandmother had passed away at that time and I had the most vivid dream, talking to her at the cemetary while she was leaning against the rail of a gazebo. I could have easily jumped up the steps to embrace her, but she told me I wasn't allowed, that it was a special gazebo. There were big trees around us, I could hear the birds sing and smelled the sweet summer air. I had that dream a few times more, trying to get a few questions answered from my grandmother, but all she told me was that she was ok and to tell everyone else.
I was 3 years old, which baffles me to this day. I also had other similar experiences. My friends little 2 year old boy was standing near the porch door looking outside and suddenly laughed and waved at someone. We followed his eyes, but there was nobody in the yard. After asking him who he was seeing he mentioned popop, meaning his grandfather, which was really odd. My friend even got a bit worried and called home to see if everything was alright, but nobody picked up the phone. About twenty minutes later the phone rang and her mother told her that her father just had had a massive heart attack and didn't survive.
So there are many of these so called little inuendos that I have witnessed, which make me wonder what's really going on after death.
Life is precious to ourselves, but having lost our lives we also loose the consciousness of our demise, we loose our life and the knowledge that we are no longer alive. In essence there would be nothing to worry about then...but we still do.
I contemplated all of this a lot and was a firm non-believer when it came to life after death, but certain experiences and reaching deep into my mind, gave me a different picture.
I clearly remember a recurring dream from the time I was about 3 yearls old. My grandmother had passed away at that time and I had the most vivid dream, talking to her at the cemetary while she was leaning against the rail of a gazebo. I could have easily jumped up the steps to embrace her, but she told me I wasn't allowed, that it was a special gazebo. There were big trees around us, I could hear the birds sing and smelled the sweet summer air. I had that dream a few times more, trying to get a few questions answered from my grandmother, but all she told me was that she was ok and to tell everyone else.
I was 3 years old, which baffles me to this day. I also had other similar experiences. My friends little 2 year old boy was standing near the porch door looking outside and suddenly laughed and waved at someone. We followed his eyes, but there was nobody in the yard. After asking him who he was seeing he mentioned popop, meaning his grandfather, which was really odd. My friend even got a bit worried and called home to see if everything was alright, but nobody picked up the phone. About twenty minutes later the phone rang and her mother told her that her father just had had a massive heart attack and didn't survive.
So there are many of these so called little inuendos that I have witnessed, which make me wonder what's really going on after death.
QUOTE(Dagaz @ Jan 26 2007, 08:34 PM) [snapback]1517379[/snapback]
During life our instincts keep us alive, the deep instinct and the fact that we have a conscious mind, almost dictates that people want to believe in some form of life after death. The conceived notion that everything comes to a standstill and is no more, is a hard pill to swallow for a lot of people, hence the creation of gods, religions, probably.
Life is precious to ourselves, but having lost our lives we also loose the consciousness of our demise, we loose our life and the knowledge that we are no longer alive. In essence there would be nothing to worry about then...but we still do.
I contemplated all of this a lot and was a firm non-believer when it came to life after death, but certain experiences and reaching deep into my mind, gave me a different picture.
I clearly remember a recurring dream from the time I was about 3 yearls old. My grandmother had passed away at that time and I had the most vivid dream, talking to her at the cemetary while she was leaning against the rail of a gazebo. I could have easily jumped up the steps to embrace her, but she told me I wasn't allowed, that it was a special gazebo. There were big trees around us, I could hear the birds sing and smelled the sweet summer air. I had that dream a few times more, trying to get a few questions answered from my grandmother, but all she told me was that she was ok and to tell everyone else.
I was 3 years old, which baffles me to this day. I also had other similar experiences. My friends little 2 year old boy was standing near the porch door looking outside and suddenly laughed and waved at someone. We followed his eyes, but there was nobody in the yard. After asking him who he was seeing he mentioned popop, meaning his grandfather, which was really odd. My friend even got a bit worried and called home to see if everything was alright, but nobody picked up the phone. About twenty minutes later the phone rang and her mother told her that her father just had had a massive heart attack and didn't survive.
So there are many of these so called little inuendos that I have witnessed, which make me wonder what's really going on after death.
Life is precious to ourselves, but having lost our lives we also loose the consciousness of our demise, we loose our life and the knowledge that we are no longer alive. In essence there would be nothing to worry about then...but we still do.
I contemplated all of this a lot and was a firm non-believer when it came to life after death, but certain experiences and reaching deep into my mind, gave me a different picture.
I clearly remember a recurring dream from the time I was about 3 yearls old. My grandmother had passed away at that time and I had the most vivid dream, talking to her at the cemetary while she was leaning against the rail of a gazebo. I could have easily jumped up the steps to embrace her, but she told me I wasn't allowed, that it was a special gazebo. There were big trees around us, I could hear the birds sing and smelled the sweet summer air. I had that dream a few times more, trying to get a few questions answered from my grandmother, but all she told me was that she was ok and to tell everyone else.
I was 3 years old, which baffles me to this day. I also had other similar experiences. My friends little 2 year old boy was standing near the porch door looking outside and suddenly laughed and waved at someone. We followed his eyes, but there was nobody in the yard. After asking him who he was seeing he mentioned popop, meaning his grandfather, which was really odd. My friend even got a bit worried and called home to see if everything was alright, but nobody picked up the phone. About twenty minutes later the phone rang and her mother told her that her father just had had a massive heart attack and didn't survive.
So there are many of these so called little inuendos that I have witnessed, which make me wonder what's really going on after death.
yea there are many strange things that happen and it is definite that science can not solve many mysteries. I truly hope that their is a god and i hate religous freaks who say that if i dont worship him and believe in him he wont accept me.
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QUOTE(R3LOAD @ Jan 26 2007, 07:45 PM) [snapback]1517399[/snapback]
yea there are many strange things that happen and it is definite that science can not solve many mysteries. I truly hope that their is a god and i hate religous freaks who say that if i dont worship him and believe in him he wont accept me.
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dont worry R3 he believes in you. you can call me a freak till the cows come home but i know there is a god. and like i said before. if all of you who dont belive in him are right then what i believe in does not matter. if i am right then there is goiung to be a big problem. just my opinion. thanks
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During life our instincts keep us alive, the deep instinct and the fact that we have a conscious mind, almost dictates that people want to believe in some form of life after death. The conceived notion that everything comes to a standstill and is no more, is a hard pill to swallow for a lot of people, hence the creation of gods, religions, probably.
Absolutely agree.
QUOTE(R3LOAD @ Jan 25 2007, 03:31 PM) [snapback]1515806[/snapback]
deep yeah i always feel like im the only one who truely doesnt give a f@@@ we are only here for 70 years (if we are lucky) so why worry about things like grades or money or things like that. i mean do your best but if it doesnt work out just remember your space dust compared to the universe so let ur hair down. and compared to eternity we are here for a fraction of a milisecond.
Absolutely! I agree with what your saying and instead of feeling depressed about it, which some people might find, I, on the other hand, find this type of thought extremely calming.
QUOTE(R3LOAD @ Jan 25 2007, 08:09 PM) [snapback]1516124[/snapback]
thanks for your opinion toby but when i think of god I think of a man who would understand if we dont believe in him. he wouldnt condemn us to a eternity of burning in flames.....that just wouldnt make sense if the most holiest of things would do that to anyone of his sons. this is all speaking hypothetically of course.
I agree with every thing you are saying R3LOAD. I feel the exact same way.
QUOTE(toby tyler @ Feb 6 2007, 07:35 PM) [snapback]1532664[/snapback]
dont worry R3 he believes in you. you can call me a freak till the cows come home but i know there is a god. and like i said before. if all of you who dont belive in him are right then what i believe in does not matter. if i am right then there is goiung to be a big problem. just my opinion. thanks
Terrified of this dreadful thought of life being meaningless, Humans created God.
Moe, I say this with all sincerity and concern for your wellbeing. If you are not now, I strongly suggest you speak with a councilor, or therapist.
I am concerned about your preoccupation with 'meaninglessness' and death. It is not healthy for one of your age.
namaste
I am concerned about your preoccupation with 'meaninglessness' and death. It is not healthy for one of your age.
namaste
what is with all this.. focus on death?
lol its called your teenage years
Blunt moment..
Get over it. Why think on death when you can just think on life and how to make it better for yourself. Yeah you have issues as a teenager. So didn't every single one of us who are now past that point.
When you hear that tired old saying... "Death is a perminent solution to a temporary problem." There's meaning to that. Whatever the heck's making you think of killing yourself or dieing now... will pass and you'll grow stronger for it.
In other words.. suck it up kiddo, you're only at the beginning of your adventure through life.
Get over it. Why think on death when you can just think on life and how to make it better for yourself. Yeah you have issues as a teenager. So didn't every single one of us who are now past that point.
When you hear that tired old saying... "Death is a perminent solution to a temporary problem." There's meaning to that. Whatever the heck's making you think of killing yourself or dieing now... will pass and you'll grow stronger for it.
In other words.. suck it up kiddo, you're only at the beginning of your adventure through life.
QUOTE(SilverCougar @ Feb 8 2007, 02:38 AM) [snapback]1534502[/snapback]
When you hear that tired old saying... "Death is a perminent solution to a temporary problem." There's meaning to that.
Hmm... Could be also looked at that people are just simply curious about death and not having a problem in life. I'm pretty interested in death and I'm fine. Some nights I can just shut out the world and let my brain flow all about death and what it could mean. I hold great debates with myself.
Birth is the messenger of death. -Syrian proverb
I really like that proverb. Easy to remember and directly to the point. We're all going to be headed there sometime, so it's only really natural to be curious about it.
Yeah but to have what.. 8 threads (a few locked right after being made) on the subject in the matter of a week or two? It's one thing to be curious.. but when you have people making like two threads a day or so on this subject, one can't help but think someone's got issues.
It's fricken creepy is what it is.
It's fricken creepy is what it is.
QUOTE(SilverCougar @ Feb 8 2007, 07:38 PM) [snapback]1534502[/snapback]
Whatever the heck's making you think of killing yourself or dieing now... will pass and you'll grow stronger for it.
So far I haven't received any evidence that the original poster wants to kill himself, only that he is preoccupied by the meaninglessness of life. I agree with the general sentiment of your post though.
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Feb 8 2007, 09:07 AM) [snapback]1534529[/snapback]
So far I haven't received any evidence that the original poster wants to kill himself, only that he is preoccupied by the meaninglessness of life.
I agree with the general sentiment of your post though.
I agree with the general sentiment of your post though.
Like I just said.. it's getting creepy with comming in here and seeing thread after tread about kids consimplating death. Honestly, why need another one when there are so many others still fresh on the frirst or second page asking the same thing?
Want to know more about death??? Then google Ramana Maharshi. He has good answers from personal experiences on nearly all spiritual questions.
QUOTE(R3LOAD @ Jan 25 2007, 11:31 PM) [snapback]1515806[/snapback]
deep yeah i always feel like im the only one who truely doesnt give a f@@@ we are only here for 70 years (if we are lucky) so why worry about things like grades or money or things like that. i mean do your best but if it doesnt work out just remember your space dust compared to the universe so let ur hair down. and compared to eternity we are here for a fraction of a milisecond.
I agree with this. I never understood my parents (and the majority of the working man) who seem to get caught up in working for the money, and not working to live. My father has worked his whole life. He's 60 now, and has yet to realize that he has done nothing other than work to raise a family (in hope that we repeat the process). The question is, for what?
But this doesn't mean you should end your life right now (Which I know you're not implying), but people should enjoy life for what it is, and see as much as the world as they can. Don't get caught up in money.
Yeah... why worry about money, education...
It's much more fun to live life free of such bonds.
Out on the street.. because you don't have the money to pay for a place to live. Hardly and clothes becuase you didn't have the money to get new ones. Starving because you didn't have the money to buy it.. let along the money to buy seeds to grow your own.. let alone the knowledge on how to keep the garden going since you didn't worry about an education. Let alone have the money to buy the plot of land you'd need to grow food. Sure you could hunt them.. but you'd oney for the tools of that trade.. let alone the education on how to use them.
Yeah... working to make sure you had a comfortable life is so bogus... getting an education so that you could be knowladgeble on all things is also terribly bogus.
*shakes her head*
It's much more fun to live life free of such bonds.
Out on the street.. because you don't have the money to pay for a place to live. Hardly and clothes becuase you didn't have the money to get new ones. Starving because you didn't have the money to buy it.. let along the money to buy seeds to grow your own.. let alone the knowledge on how to keep the garden going since you didn't worry about an education. Let alone have the money to buy the plot of land you'd need to grow food. Sure you could hunt them.. but you'd oney for the tools of that trade.. let alone the education on how to use them.
Yeah... working to make sure you had a comfortable life is so bogus... getting an education so that you could be knowladgeble on all things is also terribly bogus.
*shakes her head*
QUOTE(SilverCougar @ Feb 8 2007, 03:04 PM) [snapback]1535018[/snapback]
Yeah... why worry about money, education...
It's much more fun to live life free of such bonds.
Out on the street.. because you don't have the money to pay for a place to live. Hardly and clothes becuase you didn't have the money to get new ones. Starving because you didn't have the money to buy it.. let along the money to buy seeds to grow your own.. let alone the knowledge on how to keep the garden going since you didn't worry about an education. Let alone have the money to buy the plot of land you'd need to grow food. Sure you could hunt them.. but you'd oney for the tools of that trade.. let alone the education on how to use them.
Yeah... working to make sure you had a comfortable life is so bogus... getting an education so that you could be knowladgeble on all things is also terribly bogus.
*shakes her head*
It's much more fun to live life free of such bonds.
Out on the street.. because you don't have the money to pay for a place to live. Hardly and clothes becuase you didn't have the money to get new ones. Starving because you didn't have the money to buy it.. let along the money to buy seeds to grow your own.. let alone the knowledge on how to keep the garden going since you didn't worry about an education. Let alone have the money to buy the plot of land you'd need to grow food. Sure you could hunt them.. but you'd oney for the tools of that trade.. let alone the education on how to use them.
Yeah... working to make sure you had a comfortable life is so bogus... getting an education so that you could be knowladgeble on all things is also terribly bogus.
*shakes her head*
amen
I think the point is to make a decent life for yourself, and family if you chose to have a family but, don't get so wrapped up with making money or having the dream education and job that you lose site of what really matters. 70-80 years really isn't that long. Beyond that I do believe in an afterlife but to each his own there.
QUOTE(brave_new_world @ Feb 8 2007, 01:24 AM) [snapback]1534539[/snapback]
Want to know more about death??? Then google Ramana Maharshi. He has good answers from personal experiences on nearly all spiritual questions.
Does he have any good answers, from personal experience, on death? Lol sorry I had to.
The best any holy man can do for you is give you their best guess to what happens when you die, no one knows, no one has the answer. The more religion or someone tells you they have the answer the more they are BSing you, in my opinion.
Does anyone believe a deer has a life after death, as a deer or the soul of a deer? Goes to deer heaven? Why would we be any different? A deer doesnt care whether it has a new life waiting for it after death but it does know that there is a lion out there somewhere, who also doesnt care about life after death, and that lion wants to eat the deer, to continue living. Life feeds on life, that is the purpose of life in my opinion, to further life by dying so another can live. We just happen to be mostly removed from this natural order, so we begin to get conceited and believe we have a bigger plan waiting for us, but if we wonder back into the jungle there may indeed be something waiting for us lol.
QUOTE(SilverCougar @ Feb 8 2007, 08:04 PM) [snapback]1535018[/snapback]
Yeah... why worry about money, education...
It's much more fun to live life free of such bonds.
Out on the street.. because you don't have the money to pay for a place to live. Hardly and clothes becuase you didn't have the money to get new ones. Starving because you didn't have the money to buy it.. let along the money to buy seeds to grow your own.. let alone the knowledge on how to keep the garden going since you didn't worry about an education. Let alone have the money to buy the plot of land you'd need to grow food. Sure you could hunt them.. but you'd oney for the tools of that trade.. let alone the education on how to use them.
Yeah... working to make sure you had a comfortable life is so bogus... getting an education so that you could be knowladgeble on all things is also terribly bogus.
*shakes her head*
It's much more fun to live life free of such bonds.
Out on the street.. because you don't have the money to pay for a place to live. Hardly and clothes becuase you didn't have the money to get new ones. Starving because you didn't have the money to buy it.. let along the money to buy seeds to grow your own.. let alone the knowledge on how to keep the garden going since you didn't worry about an education. Let alone have the money to buy the plot of land you'd need to grow food. Sure you could hunt them.. but you'd oney for the tools of that trade.. let alone the education on how to use them.
Yeah... working to make sure you had a comfortable life is so bogus... getting an education so that you could be knowladgeble on all things is also terribly bogus.
*shakes her head*
Did I ever say money and education are useless? Did I ever say we should just forget about money and run naked in the wild? Of course not. Although it is a necessity in todays society, it doesn't mean we should get caught up in money itself. I know far too many people that get caught up in work, and forget about why they're working. If you were told that nothing would happen in your life other than sleeping, eating, and working; You wouldn't be working.
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I think the point is to make a decent life for yourself, and family if you chose to have a family but, don't get so wrapped up with making money or having the dream education and job that you lose site of what really matters. 70-80 years really isn't that long.
Exactly...Such a simple answer. Why can't I do that?
1st of all. I have no self destructive thoughts in my head at all. and 2nd when i say dont worry about it i mean dont let it control your emotions. obviously you have to get a job to survive but get a job you love doing, and if things dont work out like you arent becoming too wealthy dont get too stressed im not saying just sit around all day and do nothing. its people like you silver cougar who live their whole life thinking about tommorow until one day there is no tommorow and you never got to enjoy today.
*shakes his head*
*shakes his head*
Well said r3load. 
QUOTE(SilverCougar @ Feb 8 2007, 12:38 AM) [snapback]1534502[/snapback]
Blunt moment..
Get over it. Why think on death when you can just think on life and how to make it better for yourself. Yeah you have issues as a teenager. So didn't every single one of us who are now past that point.
When you hear that tired old saying... "Death is a perminent solution to a temporary problem." There's meaning to that. Whatever the heck's making you think of killing yourself or dieing now... will pass and you'll grow stronger for it.
In other words.. suck it up kiddo, you're only at the beginning of your adventure through life.
Get over it. Why think on death when you can just think on life and how to make it better for yourself. Yeah you have issues as a teenager. So didn't every single one of us who are now past that point.
When you hear that tired old saying... "Death is a perminent solution to a temporary problem." There's meaning to that. Whatever the heck's making you think of killing yourself or dieing now... will pass and you'll grow stronger for it.
In other words.. suck it up kiddo, you're only at the beginning of your adventure through life.
I'm not saying that I want to kill myself. I am saying that life is utterly meaningless and I find that extremely calming as theres no point in stressing and worrying over the trifles that life portrays. I still want to live life, but I find that theres no point in taking it seriously; NOTHING matters. I know that most people say that oh everyone should leave a mark behind and do great things in order to be remembered. But I say f@@@ that s*** *edit*, because in the end we are space dust compared to the universe. So who gives a crap about anything.
sure, its all pointless, and meaningless.
Of course it is. ASnd that is your excuse for not giving a damn about anything, right?
Environment going to hell? well whats the point in trying to correct it? Its all meaningless.....
People dying of cancer? Feck it, we're all going to die anyway, why do any research?
People starving in parts of the globe? see above, its too pointless for me to type it over.....
If you think life is pointless and meaningless, then you are justified in being an uneducated, unemployed slug who sits around moping over everything.
Sorry kid, you're 15. When you get to be my age, THEN you can tell us all how pointless it is.
Until then, suck it up and move on.
Of course it is. ASnd that is your excuse for not giving a damn about anything, right?
Environment going to hell? well whats the point in trying to correct it? Its all meaningless.....
People dying of cancer? Feck it, we're all going to die anyway, why do any research?
People starving in parts of the globe? see above, its too pointless for me to type it over.....
If you think life is pointless and meaningless, then you are justified in being an uneducated, unemployed slug who sits around moping over everything.
Sorry kid, you're 15. When you get to be my age, THEN you can tell us all how pointless it is.
Until then, suck it up and move on.
QUOTE(R3LOAD @ Jan 25 2007, 06:13 PM) [snapback]1515787[/snapback]
Im always afraid that death is going to be like what my life was like before i was born......eternal nothingness...until one day.....something. sorry its very confusing for me to try to get out and many people have different views but think of all the things that happened when we werent here. dinosaurs, the earth being formed, the formation of religion, columbus, the list goes on basically forever ALL those things happened and we had no clue about them unless we were taught about them... what im trying to say is that if death is the absense of life then werent we already dead before we were born? wouldnt it be exactly the same. think about it like this. theres darkness..and this darkness isnt actually there because it is just the absence of light...then someone turns a light on hmm lets say for 75 years... then one day the light goes out...wouldnt it be exactly the same as before? just the absense of light (life). im not saying theres no god or heaven....i really really hope there is but this fact just scares me
I wouldn't think about this all of the time. Ultimately what is going to happen will, and we have no control over that! So why worry ?
QUOTE(Moe @ Feb 6 2007, 07:53 PM) [snapback]1532694[/snapback]
Terrified of this dreadful thought of life being meaningless, Humans created God.
I would just like to say, that's a pretty bold statement.
I'd like to consider myself a fighting rebel for both sides of the spectrum. Meaning, Atheists usually scoff at me, Christians and Jews (the ones I refer to as "Bible beaters" ONLY. Truth be known, most of the Christians or Jews I know personally on a friendship level are good people and never judge me. Sans most mormons. *notes this is based only off of my own personal experiences*) typically shake their finger. I'm somewhere in the middle, I would guess...
But to just come out and say "Humans created God" is INCREDIBLY bold. I will not dare to insult you by ways of stereotyping, but if like many Atheists I've met you've ever complained about Christians or Christianity as a whole being "self richeous" then I'd like to point out...that's incredibly self richeous. Not only are humans as good as it gets, but check it out...they SOLELY created the entire vast concept of the omni-present and all of its glory...all on their own with nothing but their 30th century B.C. wits about them! (Of course, 30th century B.C. being a completely random and thrown out their era in the timeline...some of the very first physically recorded "documents" or proofs of "deities" were even years before that, and usually were in reference of Goddesses.)
Now on the flip side, I'm not going to discredit the theory. Humanity is, in general, a wonderous and beautiful existence, accompanied by an unfathomable capacity for intelligence, intellect, and invention. However, if you're really going to be so forward as to say that humans created God...maybe it would be a little less ignorant not to insist this is solitarily based on the fear of dying or nothingness in the afterlife. Very true, this may easily have been a factor in that somewhere in history...but I'd like to think that (IF ANYTHING, playing the side of the skeptic) you could attribute that more to the unknown, superstition, and for the time of incredibly long ago yesteryears, unexplainable occurances, movements, energies, and powers.
QUOTE(JMPD1 @ Feb 9 2007, 09:50 PM) [snapback]1537051[/snapback]
sure, its all pointless, and meaningless.
Of course it is. ASnd that is your excuse for not giving a damn about anything, right?
Environment going to hell? well whats the point in trying to correct it? Its all meaningless.....
People dying of cancer? Feck it, we're all going to die anyway, why do any research?
People starving in parts of the globe? see above, its too pointless for me to type it over.....
If you think life is pointless and meaningless, then you are justified in being an uneducated, unemployed slug who sits around moping over everything.
Sorry kid, you're 15. When you get to be my age, THEN you can tell us all how pointless it is.
Until then, suck it up and move on.
Of course it is. ASnd that is your excuse for not giving a damn about anything, right?
Environment going to hell? well whats the point in trying to correct it? Its all meaningless.....
People dying of cancer? Feck it, we're all going to die anyway, why do any research?
People starving in parts of the globe? see above, its too pointless for me to type it over.....
If you think life is pointless and meaningless, then you are justified in being an uneducated, unemployed slug who sits around moping over everything.
Sorry kid, you're 15. When you get to be my age, THEN you can tell us all how pointless it is.
Until then, suck it up and move on.
Well spoken!
well im not saying that we shouldnt do anything at all. im saying we could use this as a tool if we choose to. when I get down on myself for failing at something I just think about how much it doesnt matter on a bigger scale and that helps calm me down.
QUOTE(Eleleth 4/4 @ Feb 8 2007, 08:56 PM) [snapback]1535075[/snapback]
Does he have any good answers, from personal experience, on death? Lol sorry I had to.
The best any holy man can do for you is give you their best guess to what happens when you die, no one knows, no one has the answer. The more religion or someone tells you they have the answer the more they are BSing you, in my opinion.
Does anyone believe a deer has a life after death, as a deer or the soul of a deer? Goes to deer heaven? Why would we be any different? A deer doesnt care whether it has a new life waiting for it after death but it does know that there is a lion out there somewhere, who also doesnt care about life after death, and that lion wants to eat the deer, to continue living. Life feeds on life, that is the purpose of life in my opinion, to further life by dying so another can live. We just happen to be mostly removed from this natural order, so we begin to get conceited and believe we have a bigger plan waiting for us, but if we wonder back into the jungle there may indeed be something waiting for us lol.
The best any holy man can do for you is give you their best guess to what happens when you die, no one knows, no one has the answer. The more religion or someone tells you they have the answer the more they are BSing you, in my opinion.
Does anyone believe a deer has a life after death, as a deer or the soul of a deer? Goes to deer heaven? Why would we be any different? A deer doesnt care whether it has a new life waiting for it after death but it does know that there is a lion out there somewhere, who also doesnt care about life after death, and that lion wants to eat the deer, to continue living. Life feeds on life, that is the purpose of life in my opinion, to further life by dying so another can live. We just happen to be mostly removed from this natural order, so we begin to get conceited and believe we have a bigger plan waiting for us, but if we wonder back into the jungle there may indeed be something waiting for us lol.
Who knows maybe animals do have some kind of spiritual awareness, there's evidence that they share some paranormal traits with us such as ESP and awareness of ghosts etc, so maybe there's a spiritual element to all things, in the meantime because he's here on earth he has to act like a deer or lion or whatever because that's what they do. I've got no major objections to animals having souls-if the soul actually does exist- I'd find it more odd if they didn't.
QUOTE(R3LOAD @ Feb 11 2007, 12:03 AM) [snapback]1538334[/snapback]
well im not saying that we shouldnt do anything at all. im saying we could use this as a tool if we choose to. when I get down on myself for failing at something I just think about how much it doesnt matter on a bigger scale and that helps calm me down.
That definitely works. I do it all the time.
QUOTE(Ambriel @ Feb 10 2007, 04:05 AM) [snapback]1537137[/snapback]
I would just like to say, that's a pretty bold statement.
But to just come out and say "Humans created God" is INCREDIBLY bold. I will not dare to insult you by ways of stereotyping, but if like many Atheists I've met you've ever complained about Christians or Christianity as a whole being "self richeous" then I'd like to point out...that's incredibly self richeous. Not only are humans as good as it gets, but check it out...they SOLELY created the entire vast concept of the omni-present and all of its glory...all on their own with nothing but their 30th century B.C. wits about them! (Of course, 30th century B.C. being a completely random and thrown out their era in the timeline...some of the very first physically recorded "documents" or proofs of "deities" were even years before that, and usually were in reference of Goddesses.)
Now on the flip side, I'm not going to discredit the theory. Humanity is, in general, a wonderous and beautiful existence, accompanied by an unfathomable capacity for intelligence, intellect, and invention. However, if you're really going to be so forward as to say that humans created God...maybe it would be a little less ignorant not to insist this is solitarily based on the fear of dying or nothingness in the afterlife. Very true, this may easily have been a factor in that somewhere in history...but I'd like to think that (IF ANYTHING, playing the side of the skeptic) you could attribute that more to the unknown, superstition, and for the time of incredibly long ago yesteryears, unexplainable occurances, movements, energies, and powers.
But to just come out and say "Humans created God" is INCREDIBLY bold. I will not dare to insult you by ways of stereotyping, but if like many Atheists I've met you've ever complained about Christians or Christianity as a whole being "self richeous" then I'd like to point out...that's incredibly self richeous. Not only are humans as good as it gets, but check it out...they SOLELY created the entire vast concept of the omni-present and all of its glory...all on their own with nothing but their 30th century B.C. wits about them! (Of course, 30th century B.C. being a completely random and thrown out their era in the timeline...some of the very first physically recorded "documents" or proofs of "deities" were even years before that, and usually were in reference of Goddesses.)
Now on the flip side, I'm not going to discredit the theory. Humanity is, in general, a wonderous and beautiful existence, accompanied by an unfathomable capacity for intelligence, intellect, and invention. However, if you're really going to be so forward as to say that humans created God...maybe it would be a little less ignorant not to insist this is solitarily based on the fear of dying or nothingness in the afterlife. Very true, this may easily have been a factor in that somewhere in history...but I'd like to think that (IF ANYTHING, playing the side of the skeptic) you could attribute that more to the unknown, superstition, and for the time of incredibly long ago yesteryears, unexplainable occurances, movements, energies, and powers.
Ummm...
Let me introduce you to Robert B whom had an NDE.
This is what his experience showed him in regards to religion.
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Did you meet or see any other beings? Yes Again, the first encounter was with what I was sure was the Virgin Mary of my Catholic upbringing. The most frightful part of the NDE are the moments I took initiative and asked questions. It took a lot of moving beyond the fear to be so bold but I asked, "Are you really the Mother Mary?" Instantly I saw what I already sensed was happening here. Every molecule in my being suddenly seemed to leap with joy on the new knowledge and understanding, no, it was not the Virgin Mary. You are approaching home. The need to have it be the Mother Mary fades.
and this
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Have your religious beliefs/practices changed specifically as a result of your experience? Yes profoundly so. That Sunday I was electrocuted, I was a devout Catholic and altar boy that looked forward to serving Mass. Immediately after my accident and NDE a profound sense of shame that man could be so arrogant with his creation of religion. So sad and silly.
You can view Roberts experience at:
http://www.nderf.org/robert_b's_nde.htm
ps ..
wrap your head around this dilly:
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If your highest level of consciousness and alertness during the experience was different from your normal every day consciousness and alertness, please explain: Duluth airport, middle of winter with a raging northern, temperatures -25 and winds howling. On a juniper branch a nearly dead chrysalis is encased in a lifeless motionless shroud clinging to a limb. That is human existence. That dead lifeless creature is "Normal every day consciousness and alertness" compared to NDE.
Blessings
QUOTE(Turtle @ Feb 12 2007, 09:05 PM) [snapback]1541063[/snapback]
Ummm...
Let me introduce you to Robert B whom had an NDE.
This is what his experience showed him in regards to religion.
and this
You can view Roberts experience at:
http://www.nderf.org/robert_b's_nde.htm
ps ..
wrap your head around this dilly:
Blessings
Let me introduce you to Robert B whom had an NDE.
This is what his experience showed him in regards to religion.
and this
You can view Roberts experience at:
http://www.nderf.org/robert_b's_nde.htm
ps ..
wrap your head around this dilly:
Blessings
Turtle i found this to be of great interest, a most original NDE....
QUOTE(Turtle @ Feb 12 2007, 09:05 PM) [snapback]1541063[/snapback]
Ummm...
Let me introduce you to Robert B whom had an NDE.
This is what his experience showed him in regards to religion.
and this
You can view Roberts experience at:
http://www.nderf.org/robert_b's_nde.htm
ps ..
wrap your head around this dilly:
Blessings
Let me introduce you to Robert B whom had an NDE.
This is what his experience showed him in regards to religion.
and this
You can view Roberts experience at:
http://www.nderf.org/robert_b's_nde.htm
ps ..
wrap your head around this dilly:
Blessings
Just to clarify, I said that I didn't discredit the theory that humans invented anything. And what I was explaining was not only completely my opinion, but was not even about the creation of religion. It was about the creation of "God."
*referencing to this, that was quoted "...Immediately after my accident and NDE a profound sense of shame that man could be so arrogant with his creation of religion. So sad and silly."
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