In the end nothing is going to matter. Why stress and worry over life's trifles? I mean one day you are definitely going to perish and cease to exist. why suffer through life's journey? Some people say that live life to the fullest and enjoy it, but how the hell can you enjoy it if you know that none of this MATTERS? We are all just wasting our time. Life is an evil that is bestowed upon the human civilization, and death will free everyone form that evil. To me nothing matters, and I just don't want to care about anything anymore, because one day I know for a fact that I will cease to exist and all my loved ones will mean nothing to me. By the way, heres an excellent text form Leo Tolstoy's "A Confession":

There is an Eastern fable, told long ago, of a traveler overtaken on
a plain by an enraged beast. Escaping from the beast he gets into a
dry well, but sees at the bottom of the well a dragon that has opened
its jaws to swallow him. And the unfortunate man, not daring to climb
out lest he should be destroyed by the enraged beast, and not daring
to leap to the bottom of the well lest he should be eaten by the
dragon, seizes s twig growing in a crack in the well and clings to it.
His hands are growing weaker and he feels he will soon have to resign
himself to the destruction that awaits him above or below, but still
he clings on. Then he sees that two mice, a black one and a white one,
go regularly round and round the stem of the twig to which he is
clinging and gnaw at it. And soon the twig itself will snap and he
will fall into the dragon's jaws. The traveler sees this and knows
that he will inevitably perish; but while still hanging he looks
around, sees some drops of honey on the leaves of the twig, reaches
them with his tongue and licks them. So I too clung to the twig of
life, knowing that the dragon of death was inevitably awaiting me,
ready to tear me to pieces; and I could not understand why I had
fallen into such torment. I tried to lick the honey which formerly
consoled me, but the honey no longer gave me pleasure, and the white
and black mice of day and night gnawed at the branch by which I hung.
I saw the dragon clearly and the honey no longer tasted sweet. I only
saw the inescapable dragon and the mice, and I could not tear my gaze
from them. and this is not a fable but the real unanswerable truth
intelligible to all.

PS: I don't believe in God, so that is a huge influence to my speech.

It's a shame then that speech is heavily plagiarized from zen buddism as it's one of their koans.

A man traveling across a field encountered a tiger. He fled, the tiger after him. Coming to a precipice, he caught hold of the root of a wild vine and swung himself down over the edge. The tiger sniffed at him from above. Trembling, the man looked down to where, far below, another tiger was waiting to eat him. Only the vine sustained him. Two mice, one white and one black, little by little started to gnaw away at the vine. The man saw a luscious strawberry near him. Grasping the vine with one hand, he plucked the strawberry with the other. How sweet it tasted!



It's easy. Don't care that it doesn't matter. I don't. I'm still curious about the world and life. I also am an atheist and I also believe we are utterly meaningless.

You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You are the same decaying organic matter as everyone else, and we are all part of the same compost pile. -Fight Club

It does matter on how/what you make/matters outta your life...look at all the ppl in history you read about...even if you dont beleive in god..it matters to the ppl that know you/your loved ones..we can all leave a great memory...we can always leave our mark in this life.in a good way..

Wow...somebody needs a hug...

perhaps YOUR life is meaningless, but not others.

If you go to watch a movie, do you not enjoy it because you know it will end?
Or a good book?
How about your favorite dinner? Not going to eat it for the reason that it will soon be gone?


Perhaps, we should embrace and enjoy life for the reason that it DOES end. And although I beleive we re-incarnate, our previous, or later lives will not be as unique and special as this one. Although, they will be unique and special in their own way.

just tossing this out at you Moe, Life is meaningless isn't meant to be depressing, hopeless, destitute, its supposed to free you up to apply your own meaning, instead of someone elses.... you came to the right place UM, alot of happy faces here and let me give you a (((hug))) and welcome you to Um...


Joey we don't know the sex yet so we have to hold off on the group hugs wink wink....

hi moe. i am new here so not sure how this works. your life does matter. if not to you to someone.i do believe in god. my choice. not to much more that is bad can happen to me, but i hold on to the belief that there is a better place when i leave here. reading the other post i guess i will be alone but i do think that there is a place we will go to and that we will continue on. to many things have happen to me not to believe. it keeps a smile on my face. if i am wrong then none of this matters. this is just my opinion. i have to find things i care about quite often but it does help me. i hope things get better for you and that something touches your heart that puts a smile on your face. thanks toby

Quote Time!

"If nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do."

"Take away the rules, the purposes, and the fates of life then what you are left with is true freedom...in that chaos that is true freedom you will find what matters in your existence."

And perhaps some antidepressants

Don't go committing suicide or anything. Seriously, I've been through that.

Have you ever heard of the madman who on a bright morning lighted a lantern and ran to the market-place calling out unceasingly: "I seek God! I seek God!" As there were many people standing about who did not believe in God, he caused a great deal of amusement. Why? is he lost? said one. Has he strayed away like a child? said another. Or does he keep himself hidden? Is he afraid of us? Has he taken a sea voyage? Has he emigrated? - the people cried out laughingly, all in a hubbub. The insane man jumped into their midst and transfixed them with his glances. "Where is God gone?" he called out. "I mean to tell you! We have killed him, you and I! We are all his murderers! But how have we done it? How were we able to drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the whole horizon? What did we do when we loosened this earth from its sun? Whither does it now move? Whither do we move? Away from all suns? Do we not dash on unceasingly? Backwards, sideways, forwards, in all directions? Is there still an above and below? Do we not stray, as through infinite nothingness? Does not empty space breathe upon us? Has it not become colder? Does not night come on continually, darker and darker? Shall we not have to light lanterns in the morning? Do we not hear the noise of the grave-diggers who are burying God? Do we not smell the divine putrefaction? - for even Gods putrify! God is dead! God remains dead! And we have killed him! How shall we console ourselves, the most murderous of all murderers? The holiest and the mightiest that the world has hitherto possessed, has bled to death under our knife - who will wipe the blood from us? With what water could we cleanse ourselves? What lustrums, what sacred games shall we have to devise? Is not the magnitude of this deed too great for us? Shall we not ourselves have to become Gods, merely to seem worthy of it? There never was a greater event - and on account of it, all who are born after us belong to a higher history than any history hitherto!" Here the madman was silent and looked again at his hearers; they also were silent and looked at him in surprise. At last he threw his lantern on the ground, so that it broke in pieces and was extinguished. "I come too early," he then said. "I am not yet at the right time. This prodigious event is still on its way, and is traveling - it has not yet reached men's ears. Lightning and thunder need time, the light of the stars needs time, deeds need time, even after they are done, to be seen and heard. This deed is as yet further from them than the furthest star - and yet they have done it themselves!" It is further stated that the madman made his way into different churches on the same day, and there intoned his Requiem aeternam deo. When led out and called to account, he always gave the reply: "What are these churches now, if they are not the tombs and monuments of God?" Friedrich Nietzsche

^^^
I didn't understand a word of that or how it has anything to do with anything.

MOE I agree with Kratos, don't let it matter that it doesn't matter, enjoy the journey, the destination you cannot change.

Loved that piece about the vine, the mice, the two tigers and the strawberry. That says it all for me!



Keep on choogling!!

well, I live in a third world country. i think that compared to the people of the first world countries, our lives here are indeed miserable
and it seems to really be meaningless.

some people say that life has meaning, but try saying that to people who live in the midst of poverty everyday.
life may have meaning for some, but not for everyone

just my 2 cents

poverty is not good Daddy Walrus but I have lived in poverty before and been happy. Happiness lies in life lived, not in how much money you have in the bank.

All life has meaning .. whether you know it or not, your life has influence on someone else's and it does matter.

Moe you should read my blog about airports and people, to get some perspective back

Yes it is. It's also selfish, self-serving and transient. While you live you create those memories others shall have of you, after you die. And it's in those that there will ever be evidence of your existence at all. But even memories fade. Granite headstones weather and lose their words memorializing who lays beneath. It all fades, after your gone. So maybe all you can do is make an impression while your here. When you can take notice and feel what it's like to be alive.

There's nothing new or profane I can add that hasn't been written before but I think maybe you're experiencing a "blue" patch in your life right now....Did something happen to make you feel this way ? Try hanging around with positive people or do things that you enjoy, there's gotta be something that you get pleasure from...Hopefully you'll work through it but if it continues, see a doctor ! Believe me I've been there......

Take a look at the second sentence of your post. That would be a great way to live life! I would use that and go with that. Just sit back and enjoy the ride

Thank ****!!! lol!!!!!!

I have made my life meaningful. I could sit around all day and mope about how miserable my life is, because I am disabled, but what would be the point of that. I do have bouts of depression, but I got help with it and it has been well worth it. I enjoy helping people when I can. I have friends who can't drive anymore, every other week or so I pick them up, we go out and do something fun, like go to the movies, have lunch. They really appreciate it and I enjoy it, too. Life is not meaningless, we are here to learn and grow. It doesn't take money to do that. Maybe life does end with nothing, but it is not the end that is important but the journey.

Good for you, I suffered some injuries during Operation Iraqi Freedom that will be with me for the rest of my life, but I am not going to let that stop me from enjoying my time here!

Please humour me but were you mocking me or agreeing with me or what.....??

Moe groused


I mean come on........ Poor Moe, Woe is Moe......Snap out of it dude, things are tough all over.....whatcha gonna do, lay down and play dead. Life is too hard to cope so I'll just sit this one out??

It would seem to me that we are definitely here for a limited amount of time, if we're lucky and live a full life expectancy, then that means we have a small window of time to experience all thats around us.

The duration that we are here and the curtness of it should be a motivating factor to get out of your slump and get into the mix man!!!!

The things that weigh you down, the things that make it hard to keep on keepin on are the very things that build strength and endurance for a life fraught with turmoil and detours.

Put your battle gear on, get in the fight and shed some sweat, some blood and some tears dude!!.....The prestige of slaying the demons and surviving is the sole motivation for mingling with them to begin with.

Remember one thing my man.......Bones heal and chicks dig scars!!

Sorry Malakissmeni, I was actually teasing you... (in a kind and jokey manner) you said you cannot add anything 'profane' and using that word's meaning to suggest blasphemous or obscene, I said thank f*ck ...

dunno if describimg all that well, what I was intending to convey???

I think you meant 'profound', initially????

LMAO.....I just realised what I had typed....You're absolutely right...Thank you, I meant to type 'profound' but looking at it now, 'profane' was funny too !!!!!!
Thanks again sweetie.....

Nihilism.
If you were to put a name on the OP, that would be it. Or perhaps abusrdism, I can't really tell the difference between the two. Or perhaps I'm completely wrong.
Nietzsche is describing nihilism and what caused it.

Quote: "For every snowflake or raindrop that falls, a star rises. For every angel that wishes, does niether without the earth turning" - P.Flack "half athiest, half believer in God and the Devil"

Buddha's buttcheeks!

In the end it won't matter, big deal. Guess what boyo, this ain't the end. It's right now and those you care about are here. It's your decision, keep whining over the tiger that is going to eat you at some unknown point or grab the damn strawberry!


Good find Kratos.

This is how I've felt for a long time.. I actually don't know why I bother to stay alive, I get little satisfaction from anything lately.. I have no idea what I'm living for, the only person I really loved just dissappeared from my life a couple years ago.. I guess to me, life is like a very long movie. I want to see what happens near the end. I'm living to see what technology we will come up with, what discoveries will make, what the human race will accomplish in my lifetime.

May will be five years since the love of my life passed away. I am sure she would not want me to give up on life or love. Someday the right one will come my way and will be very different from my late wife.

How about family or friends ? Don't they mean anything ? If you don't have anyone around, why not consider buying a pet ? Dogs are wonderful companions and having one around to care for might make all the difference in your life.....Just a thought.....

What a boring thing to look forward to?!

You said it..... by the time anything significant happens you will be to old to care

Well that's a rather bleak outlook.

Heh, not to get into some kind of pitiful story here or anything, but I have few friends, not because I couldn't make friends, but because I really don't care to where I live. The people in my area with a rare exception only care about getting drunk, doing trivial things, and wasting time. I used to pretend I enjoyed the stupid things people do here, and I was relatively popular, but then I was just giving up more of my time for company with people I didn't like. Honestly, I only consider my parents to be my parents by blood. On the point of dogs, my dad is allergic to anything with fur.



Maybe. It's not like I've given up and don't have any hopes for the future, I simply mean right now, that's what will be interesting over time.

KBa before you know it you will be of age to move out and move away..hang in there (((HUGS)))

Personally I have always felt that the fleetingness of life is part of the beauty of life.

Meaning is where you give it. Be that in anyway you can place it. Once upon a time I considered "Meaning" to exist in objects... A fast car, big house etc... But over the years I have realised that while they are indeed nice they are far less then the true meaning.

In fact the search for that meaning is perhaps the most important part of life. Certainly I have enjoyed it immensly

I had a peek at your profile and noticed that you're 15 years old ! Bloody hell, at that age I felt the same thing...I'm sure you've heard it 1000 times but what you're going through is very normal...I hated my parents too and believe me when I tell you that your relationship with them will get better but only when your attitude changes, and that wont happen any time soon !
It's good to know that you're out of the peer pressure crap and being more responsible...Good for you ! Why don't you get involved with sport ? It's great for your health and overall well being, also a terrific way to meet friends....You sound like an intelligent guy and very cute too, so don't worry too much and this phase will pass, you'll see...Good luck !

"Don't care that it doesn't matter. I don't. I'm still curious about the world and life. I also am an atheist and I also believe we are utterly meaningless."

I actually agree with you. That makes me feel a little bit better. Just roll with it, and see what life brings you, even though everything is utterly meaningless.

my outlook over the past few days has changes from "life is fun" and i was looking forward to my future but now i just dont give a f*ck. im sick of getting yelled at and treated like a little kid. I wish i could move to a new phase in my life cuz right now its no fun. im about your age too so all i can say is keep your head up and keep going

let me guess....you're a 'my glass is half empty' type of person, right.

Heh, quite honestly this has nothing to do with a phase or my age. It's not simple resentment against my parents because I'm trying to gain some control. I have problems with my parents because they mistreat me because of my atheism, treat me with extreme contempt, and have little regard for my happiness. That sounds cliche, but it's hard to relate to what I'm saying I think until you understand where I'm coming from. I somewhat envy the normal teen who hates their parents on the outside, gets in fights all the time but in the end if they get in trouble they know who will be there to help them, because that's not something I can say that I have... And honestly it's made me a pretty cold person. I play the observer role in life. I watch the world in submission and am always deep in thought. I'm a good actor when the situation calls for it, but for a while now, relationships have meant little to me. That's what I was trying to say in my first post in this topic I guess... One way or another, I draw fleeting happiness from life because I do understand that it is meaningless.

Life is amazing. Forget money. Material. Work and even People. Heck even forget your clothes if you like lol..

Go out and experience nature. Go out and watch life all around you - if you yourself finds your life meaningless watching life around you will start giving you meaning.

Go sit by a running stream. A dominating mountain. A swaying field. Watch a fiery sunset or a starry night. Listen to the ocean waves crash.
Hear the song calls of birds. Watch the powerful thunderstorm. It might sound silly but Take in the universe and its majesty.
All of this will give you meaning again. It has nothing to do with work, money, materials and even other people but it has everything to do with connecting
with the Earth and knowing your place in it and understanding that you do have a meaning.

Life does matter because you are here. Leave your mark. Do something crazy. Something amazing. Bury a time bottle/capsule. Make someone in hundreds of years time realize that you did exist.
They'd be amazed and want to learn more about your character. Legends never die. So become one.

I wouldnt say life is meaningless, but we as humans make to much of it, we where basicly put here, to eat,sleep, survive and have sex and die we are no different then our animal counterparts we just have more time to do it.

actually some turtles have 150 years to do it and yes we are just animals....animals that spend money traveling to space while 100's of thousand of people die everyday from curable diseases.

As a mum to 4 kids, I would hate to ever think that any of them thinks of me and their dad the way your feel about your parents....I just can't believe that your
parents don't love you or want what's best for you...Ofcourse they might not know how to show it or they probably are the type that says, "Our way or the highway", but when push comes to shove, I'm sure they would do anything to not lose you !!
Unfortunately some people don't have the emotional ability to relate to their kids in a loving way, they probably didn't get it from your grandparents either !!
Anyway, it's a sad situation and I hope you eventually re-connect with them on some level but hopefully don't let that turn you off from forming loving and healthy relationships with other people, especially any kids you might have in the distant, distant future........

You don't have to believe it, but it is what it is. For example, this morning I was sleeping in our basement, right next to the window. While I was sleeping, my dad came down and opened the window in 8 degree weather, when I wasn't even fully covered in my 1/2" thick blanket. And how my basement works, when you open the window, the room floods with cold air in a couple minutes.... He knew that. I woke up absolutely shivering and freezing, it was probably in the teen degrees. Occurences like these are common. I have been forced into counselling, forced to church, had money taken from my personal bank account, Given unecessarily rude remarks in awkward situations on countless occasions, to name a small amount of the BS I deal with from my parents on a daily basis.... All because I chose to express my freedom of thought and become an atheist. My sister is a baptized Christian. They completely spoil her. She goes out and gets drunk, passes out, and throws up on a school night, coming home at 8am the next day and missing her 40th day of school this year? No big deal. She asks for a car on top of her attitude? Sure thing honey. I stay up past 10 pm? God's wrath is upon me. And then, my mom isn't so much like that, she just lives in her own little world of depression and delusion. She is too absorbed in her past to care about me.

(Again, I don't mean to hijack this thread with rants about my personal life, I just guess this helps to explain where I'm coming from, especially on issues like Christianity.)

Well I believe you but I'll tell you one thing, his attitude has nothing to do with his religious beliefs but everything to do with his personality....Religion doesn't make you an awful person, he's obviously an a*****e from way back....So what if he's a christian, as you've experienced, it doesn't mean a damn thing.....Get out of there as soon as you can to live your life with dignity and freedom like we all should.. Good luck !!