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louie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRRDzFROMx0...ted&search=

Intresting video of a guy who shows how Stonehenge may have been put into place, and who knows maybe used in other structures in history. its so simple it just could work , the method he uses i read was used in raising the statues in easter isaland. what do you think
Enjoy
Razer
QUOTE(louie @ Jan 26 2007, 09:53 AM) [snapback]1516370[/snapback]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRRDzFROMx0...ted&search=

Intresting video of a guy who shows how Stonehenge may have been put into place, and who knows maybe used in other structures in history. its so simple it just could work , the method he uses i read was used in raising the statues in easter isaland. what do you think
Enjoy


I've seen this before. It really shows that you don't need something like "aliens" to create large stone structures just a bit of human ingenuity.

The only thing that makes me a bit skeptical that his method was the one for stonhedge is when he moves the blocks in a straight line distances, it requires that the block is resting on a hard surface. He places a stone between the block and a hard surface. So the builders of stonehendge would have had to create a solid stone pathway to stonehenge itself. Placing a stone between the block and soft soil would not work.

What is great though, is he shows that a single man can move and raise heavy blocks all on his own. I wonder if that guy in Florida used the same techniques in building his monument.
louie
i was thinking the same about the guy in florida, i read that he had a huge stone gate that open and closed freely because he han it pivoted on a ballbearing type stone,
True about there had to be a hard surface to move the stones on but im sure if they came up with the idea how to move the stones creating a surface would be quite easy.
i wonder in excavations did they ever find hard surfaces under the soil.
Razer
QUOTE(louie @ Jan 26 2007, 11:49 AM) [snapback]1516453[/snapback]
i was thinking the same about the guy in florida, i read that he had a huge stone gate that open and closed freely because he han it pivoted on a ballbearing type stone


That is exaclty what made me think of him. They did have to replace that bearing a while back, I guess that is how they figured it out. But I'm just about certain you already know that yes.gif

QUOTE(louie @ Jan 26 2007, 11:49 AM) [snapback]1516453[/snapback]
True about there had to be a hard surface to move the stones on but im sure if they came up with the idea how to move the stones creating a surface would be quite easy.
i wonder in excavations did they ever find hard surfaces under the soil.


Yeah, it would not be impossible to make a hard surface to move the stones along. I can't think off hand how far the quarry was, but I'm sure it was far enough that if they did indeed use this method and built a solid pathway to the monument there could be some archeological evidence of it that is yet undiscovered.
louie
Or maybe they used carrage or sleds something with wheels to transport it there but then used the guys idea for raising the stones, in Thor Heyerdahl book on easter island, aku-aku, the natives described the way the giant heads were raised and it was the same method the video shows. its a solid theory and easy to do, very plausable
Razer
QUOTE(louie @ Jan 26 2007, 12:06 PM) [snapback]1516469[/snapback]
in Thor Heyerdahl book on easter island, aku-aku, the natives described the way the giant heads were raised and it was the same method the video shows. its a solid theory and easy to do, very plausable


Looks like something I could build in my own backyard, after a quick trip to home depot! Sad thing is, it is almost like a magicians trick, once you know the secret all the magic is lost, hehe wink2.gif
rezna
the stones used to build stonehenge are from two different places. "derived from the Preseli Hills, 250 km away in modern day Pembrokeshire in Wales....The far-travelled stones, which weighed about four tons, consisted mostly of spotted dolerite but included examples of rhyolite, tuff and volcanic and calcareous ash. Each measures around 2 m in height, between 1 m and 1.5 m wide and around 0.8 m thick. What was to become known as the Altar Stone (1), a six-ton specimen of green micaceous sandstone, twice the height of the bluestones, is derived from either South Pembrokeshire or the Brecon Beacons and may have stood as a single large monolith."
louie
QUOTE(rezna @ Jan 26 2007, 11:44 PM) [snapback]1516870[/snapback]
the stones used to build stonehenge are from two different places. "derived from the Preseli Hills, 250 km away in modern day Pembrokeshire in Wales....The far-travelled stones, which weighed about four tons, consisted mostly of spotted dolerite but included examples of rhyolite, tuff and volcanic and calcareous ash. Each measures around 2 m in height, between 1 m and 1.5 m wide and around 0.8 m thick. What was to become known as the Altar Stone (1), a six-ton specimen of green micaceous sandstone, twice the height of the bluestones, is derived from either South Pembrokeshire or the Brecon Beacons and may have stood as a single large monolith."

So what are you saying,, i think no matter what the stones they can be moved in the way he shows....
Lux Felix
interesting yes.gif

TonyF
Yep, there are no limits to human ingenuity. A few years ago I saw a video of a Czech Army unit addressing the same problems, as an officer training exercise. They used simpler levers and did not spin any stones on bearings, but they managed to create a full-size concrete trilith (two 25-ton standing stones + horizontal lintel) with a gang of 30 men, needing about 7 days work.

The uprights were placed much as Wally did in the video, using a pit but with guys taking the strain on ropes instead of counterweights. After that, they levered the lintel up to above the level of the upright stones, using a couple of hundred yards of cut timber (thick branch size). Then they inched it across the cradle until the ball and socket joints were aligned.

The way they finally positioned the lintel was genius in its simplicity. They pushed 2 full corn sacks under each end (remember it's a foot or so above the uprights), knocked out the wooden cradle, then slashed the sacks open. As the corn ran out, the lintel lowered gracefully over the joints, to be fixed forever.

Maybe there are textile remnants, lying undiscovered between one of the remaining intact lintels and its uprights, at the original henge. But even if not, it shows that there's more than one way to solve this problem, and you don't need any aliens to help you.

Sadly, this TV programme was broadcast long before anyone thought of Youtube, and I don't have it on tape either. Hope I've provided enough detail to convince you, though.
isis-999
The video how's what we already know....It's not hard to move stuff if you have a few tool's and human power...
Vague
That was pretty neat.
TonyF
QUOTE(rezna @ Jan 26 2007, 07:44 PM) [snapback]1516870[/snapback]
the stones used to build stonehenge are from two different places. "derived from the Preseli Hills, 250 km away in modern day Pembrokeshire in Wales....The far-travelled stones, which weighed about four tons, consisted mostly of spotted dolerite but included examples of rhyolite, tuff and volcanic and calcareous ash. Each measures around 2 m in height, between 1 m and 1.5 m wide and around 0.8 m thick. What was to become known as the Altar Stone (1), a six-ton specimen of green micaceous sandstone, twice the height of the bluestones, is derived from either South Pembrokeshire or the Brecon Beacons and may have stood as a single large monolith."

Rezna. Did you make your own avatar with the UFO or was it assigned to you? Are you saying that you don't think the stones (or rather, bluestones) could have come from Wales? Unless some higher power helped; aliens, Merlin, whatever?

I've been to the main source of these bluestones (several other "quarries" contributed a stone or two) and studied the route to Stonehenge, first hand. At the bottom of the same hill there's a river that flows into one of the world's finest natural harbours. On the way there, it flows past a spot with the exact same green sandstone as the altar stone you mentioned.

The sea route to England follows a coast with many sheltered beaches, perfect for a slow safe trip with stops for favourable tides and weather. Once in the river (the Bristol Avon) there may, in those days, have been one spot with rocks and rapids, where they would have had to drag the stones for 200 metres or so to get around it. Now it's a weir. After that there's a 9km gap between two rivers, but the route goes up one gentle valley and down another. And at the very end of the journey there's a 3 km climb from a different River Avon up to the henge.

The only technologies you would have to assume were a big sledge to drag overland, and rollers under the sledge where the ground was soft. Plus a double sided dock so that a stone could be maneuvered right over the boat or raft. It can all be done with wood, grease and leather.

The route is very logical and do-able. The strongest thing that those guys needed was willpower. Any "magic" solution makes human beings smaller. There's no limit to what we can achieve, up to and including making ourselves extinct in a greenhouse world!
rezna
no I was merely saying where they came from in response to:

"Yeah, it would not be impossible to make a hard surface to move the stones along. I can't think off hand how far the quarry was, but I'm sure it was far enough that if they did indeed use this method and built a solid pathway to the monument there could be some archeological evidence of it that is yet undiscovered. "

I would have said more if I was trying to say aliens did it or something. Why is it that people extrapolate so much from so little?
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