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The CIA special forces unit is bombing American troops and Iraqi civilians in order to extend the war. They
are using stolen American and Canadian vehicles for these car-bomb attacks on allied targets.
There are at least two incidents where Americans and Britons have been actually caught dressed as Arabs while carrying out these bombing
operations(linked below , or see Terrorstorm by Alex Jones for background http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=78...torm&hl=en)

The Hells Angels are obtaining (stealing) the vehicles used in these attacks and shipping them overseas via west coast shipping ports.
The Hells Angels are nothing more than an extension of George H. Bush's CIA/Skull n' Bones narcotics-smuggling cartel.
The Hells Angels were originally formed by former WWII/Korean War and Vietnam War vets ( a high % CIA AIr America pilots/paratroopers/international drug and weapons smugglers).

They named themselves Hells Angels because it is a term that reaches all the way back to elite WWI mercenary paratroopers, the 'for hire'
covert operations assassins and terrorists known as Hells Angels who carried out illegal civilian kidnappings, interrogations, tortures,
assassinations, and numerous terrorist atrocities on behalf of the U.S. government. Howard Hughes made the film Hells Angels about WWI-era fighter squadrons and named it after them. The Hells Angels have always been a conduit for the street drugs that the Skull n' Bones/CIA international narcotics trafficking network fly or ship into the United States and Canada.
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Now we find that this same network is supplying the vehicles used by covert forces in car-bomb attacks against U.S. troops. Mercenary
special forces units are attacking key American and allied strongholds in Iraq with car bombs while dressed as Arabs. Hells Angels. The Iraq
and Afghanistan wars are all about Bush and his narcotics cartel moving opium, cocaine, weapons, and even human organs and sex slaves around the world and killing as many people
as possible in the process.

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You have to understand one thing about Skull n' Bones//CIA . They are occult Globalists. They hold no allegiance to any one nation. They are satanic elitists, and they feel that they are smarter than the rest of us, and that their evil is beneficial to the world, because the wealth that they accrue 'strengthens their superior genes as a gift to humanity' etc., and the large number of people that they kill are eliminated as a service to the ecology of the planet/gene pool blah blah blah.
They are nothing but a bunch of murderous, greedy scumbags who have latched onto all sorts of occult new-age bull to make them feel
good about what they are. Air America and Special Forces etc. are just their henchmen.
The Hells Angels Bikers/gangs are just the domestic little retirement club that the elite set up to reward their burnt-out henchman with plumb little 'regional' drug-dealing
contracts, complete with bought off/planted police in select areas. Membership sometimes has its rewards, even for the burnt-out smack-addict pilots and jungle psychos that staff Air America.
(they come back to America from overseas assignments still addicted to heroin & coke more often than not )

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http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/...car_theft_rin...

WASHINGTON -- The FBI's counterterrorism unit has launched a broad investigation of US-based theft rings after discovering that some of
the vehicles used in deadly car bombings in Iraq, including attacks that killed US troops and Iraqi civilians, were probably stolen in the
United States, according to senior government officials. John E. Lewis, deputy assistant director of the FBI for counterterrorism, told the Globe that the investigation hasn't yielded
any evidence that the vehicles were stolen specifically for car bombings. But there is evidence, he said, that the cars were smuggled
from the United States as part of a widespread criminal network that includes terrorists and insurgents.
Cracking the car theft rings and tracing the cars could help identify the leaders of insurgent forces in Iraq and shut down at least one of
the means they use to attack the US-led coalition and the Iraqi government, the officials said.
The inquiry began after coalition troops raided a bomb-making factory in Fallujah last November and found a sport utility vehicle registered
in Texas that was being prepared for a bombing mission.
Investigators said they are comparing several other cases where vehicles evidently stolen in the United States wound up in Syria or
other Middle East countries and ultimately into the hands of Iraqi insurgent groups -- including Al Qaeda in Iraq, led by Jordanian-born
Abu Musab Al Zarqawi. Citing the sensitive nature of the ongoing inquiry, investigators wouldn't say how many specific cases they have found, and FBI spokesman
Edwin Cogswell in Washington did not respond to repeated requests for comment.
But Lewis said the origins of the vehicles in question were unearthed by tracing the vehicle identification numbers, or VINs -- a standard
production marker stamped on during manufacture -- as well as through other forensic tools such as auto parts. Some of the automobiles can be
easily identified, specialists said, while others have had their VINs ground down or have been fitted with fake ones.
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Reports of secret U.S. govt. operations featuring special forces operatives disguised as arabs carrying out bomb attacks in Iraq:

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http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/66432
Iraqis apprehend two Americans disguised as Arabs trying to detonate a car bomb in a residential neighborhood of western Baghdad.
A number of Iraqis apprehended two Americans disguised in Arab dress as they tried to blow up a booby-trapped car in the middle of a
residential area in western Baghdad on Tuesday. Residents of western Baghdad's al-Ghazaliyah district told Quds Press
that the people had apprehended the Americans as they left their Caprice car near a residential neighborhood in al-Ghazaliyah on Tuesday
afternoon (11 October 2005). Local people found they looked suspicious so they detained the men before they could get away. That was when they
discovered that they were Americans and called the Iraqi police.
Five minutes after the arrival of the Iraqi police on the scene, a large force of US troops showed up and surrounded the area. They put
the two Americans in one of their Humvees and drove away at high speed to the astonishment of the residents of the area.
Quds Press spoke by telephone with a member of the al-Ghazaliyah puppet police who confirmed the incident, saying that the two men were
non-Arab foreigners but declined to be more precise about their nationality.
Quds Press pointed out that about a month ago, the Iraqi police in the southern Iraqi city of al-Basrah arrested two Britons whom they accused
of attempting to cause an explosion in the city. The Britons were taken into custody by the Iraqi police only to be broken out of prison by an
assault of British occupation troops. That incident has created a tense relationship between the British and the local authorities in
al-Basrah, Quds Press noted.

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Hells Angels linked to international SUV theft/export ring:

http://www.canada.com/cityguides/ottawa/st...c12fce-50fc-4...

These same bikers, once hunted down by the Hells Angels during the Quebec war, have since joined the rival gang, Hells Angels, doing
business in Ottawa.
Though the elite chapter's lucrative business is based in Ottawa's francophone community, with more than two dozen associates taking care
of street-level dealings, its members are spread across the region. Police have accused them of drug trafficking, money laundering,
prostitution, car-theft operations, and extortion. Some members of the Ottawa chapter, one of the most powerful units in
the country, include:
- Paul (Sasquatch) Porter. Born in 1963, the president of Ontario Nomads was an original member of Rock Machine, since absorbed by
Bandidos. Intelligent and known for keeping a low profile, Mr. Porter has survived two attempts on his life. He is awaiting trial on charges
of masterminding an international car-theft ring targeting luxury SUVs, which were later sold around the world, according to Quebec police.

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So, looks like we have a situation where the CIA does not want an end to violence. They want things to escalate in Iraq, and they want more
dead U.S. soldiers coming home. They know that if there are no American casualties in Iraq, the Americans will look like bullies, and
furthermore, there will seem to be no reason to stay there. They are creating the illusion of fierce resistance by bombing their own troops.
Pathetic that the Americans even have to supply the vehicles used in these attacks, but it is part of their strategy. CIA Special Forces units in Iraq take delivery.
They wire up these expensive foreign vehicles with explosives, like luxury SUVS , which are in great demand overseas, and these are rigged to detonate via remote control.
The economic chaos created in Iraq means their are plenty of Iraqis willing to 'deliver' these stolen vehicles to a 'rendezvous' (usually a crowded market spot) or some
other strategically selected location where there will be witnesses as to who is driving. . The explosives-laden vehicle is followed, and then detonated via remote control.
Another ploy is to just park the vehicle overnight in a crowded area. The next morning , when the crowds are out, they detonate it, again via remote control.
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> Zero evidence. None of the Hells Angels are Yale or even Harvard or Stanford men > not even UBC or Queens University.
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I said they were an extension, ie: closely associated. I have never said the Hells Angels bikers/gnagsters are direct Skull n' Bones members. I have said that many of them
are closely associated via their history of involvement in covert CIA war and drug operations. If you have any doubts about CIA involvement in drugs watch the Clinton
Chronicles or watch this:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=575...amp;q=CIA+drugs
and this:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-86...amp;q=CIA+drugs

> > They named themselves Hells Angels because it is a term that reaches
> > all the way back to elite WWI mercenary paratroopers,
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> Paratroopers in WW1?? Wrong. They took the name from the WW2 bomber
> group of the same name and the Howard Hughes movie of the same name.

wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell%27s_Angels_%28film%29
the film Hells Angels was made before WWII, in 1929-30
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hells_Angels
So, the term Hells Angels has been around a lot longer than you think, and prior to WWII. It is from WWI.
Hughes named his 1929 film 'Hells Angels' after the term for covert mercenary soldiers and paratroopers known as Hells Angels, operatives
who would do anything for money, including torture, murder, assassinations, and terrorism. These WWI-era Hells Angels preceded the
creation of the CIA , which was created after WWII. The predecessor organization which created the CIA was the Skull n' Bones society,
founded by the wealthy Russel international opium syndicate family. *

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http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...mp;code=KEE20...

Were British Special Forces Soldiers Planting Bombs in Basra?
Suspicions Strengthened by Earlier Reports

by Michael Keefer

Global Research, September 25, 2005

Does anyone remember the shock with which the British public greeted the revelation four years ago that one of the members of the Real IRA
unit whose bombing attack in Omagh on August 15, 1998 killed twenty-nine civilians had been a double agent, a British army soldier?

That soldier was not Britain's only terrorist double agent. A second British soldier planted within the IRA claimed he had given forty-eight

hours advance notice of the Omagh car-bomb attack to his handlers within the Royal Ulster Constabulary, including "details of one of the
bombing team and the man's car registration." Although the agent had made an audio tape of his tip-off call, Sir Ronnie Flanagan, chief
constable of the RUC, declared that "no such information was received"

(http://www.sundayherald.com/17827).
This second double agent went public in June 2002 with the claim that from 1981 to 1994, while on full British army pay, he had worked for
"the Force Research Unit, an ultra-secret wing of British military intelligence," as an IRA mole. With the full knowledge and consent of
his FRU and MI5 handlers, he became a bombing specialist who "mixed explosive and ... helped to develop new types of bombs," including
"light-sensitive bombs, activated by photographic flashes, to overcome the problem of IRA remote-control devices having their signal jammed by
army radio units." He went on to become "a member of the Provisional IRA's 'internal security squad'-also known as the 'torture
unit'-which interrogated and executed suspected informers"
(http://www.sundayherald.com/print25646).
The much-feared commander of that same "torture unit" was likewise a mole, who had previously served in the Royal Marines' Special Boat
Squadron (an elite special forces unit, the Marines' equivalent to the better-known SAS). A fourth mole, a soldier code-named "Stakeknife"
whose military handlers "allowed him to carry out large numbers of terrorist murders in order to protect his cover within the IRA," was
still active in December 2002 as "one of Belfast's leading Provisionals" (http://www.sundayherald.com/29997).

Reliable evidence also emerged in late 2002 that the British army had been using its double agents in terrorist organizations "to carry out
proxy assassinations for the British state"-most notoriously in the case of Belfast solicitor and human rights activist Pat Finucane, who
was murdered in 1989 by the Protestant Ulster Defence Association. It appears that the FRU passed on details about Finucane to a British
soldier who had infiltrated the UDA; he in turn "supplied UDA murder teams with the information" (http://www.sundayherald.com/29997).

Recent events in Basra have raised suspicions that the British army may have reactivated these same tactics in Iraq.

Articles published by Michel Chossudovsky, Larry Chin and Mike Whitney at the Centre for Research on Globalization's website on September
20, 2005 have offered preliminary assessments of the claims of Iraqi authorities that two British soldiers in civilian clothes who were
arrested by Iraqi police in Basra on September 19-and in short order released by a British tank and helicopter assault on the prison where
they were being held-had been engaged in planting bombs in the city See: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...mp;code=20050...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...mp;code=CHI20...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...mp;code=WHI20...

A further article by Kurt Nimmo points to false-flag operations carried

out by British special forces troops in Northern Ireland and elsewhere, and to Donald Rumsfeld's formation of the P2OG, or Proactive
Preemptive Operations Group, as directly relevant to Iraqi charges of possible false-flag terror operations by the occupying powers in Iraq
(http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20050...).

These accusations by Iraqi officials echo insistent but unsubstantiated claims, going back at least to the spring of 2004, to the effect that
many of the terror bombings carried out against civilian targets in Iraq have actually been perpetrated by U.S. and British forces rather
than by Iraqi insurgents.

Some such claims can be briskly dismissed. In mid-May 2005, for example, a group calling itself "Al Qaeda in Iraq" accused U.S. troops
"of detonating car bombs and falsely accusing militants" (http://siteinstitute.org/bin/articles.cgi?ID=publications45605&Catego...).

For even the most credulous, this could at best be a case of the pot calling the kettle soot-stained. But it's not clear why anyone would
want to believe this claim, coming as it does from a group or groupuscule purportedly led by the wholly mythical al-Zarqawi-and one
whose very name affiliates it with terror bombers. These people, if they exist, might themselves have good reason to blame their own crimes
on others.

Other claims, however, are cumulatively more troubling.

The American journalist Dahr Jamail wrote in April 20, 2004 that the
recent spate of car bombings in Baghdad was widely rumoured to have
been the work of the CIA:

"The word on the street in Baghdad is that the cessation of suicide car bombings is proof that the CIA was behind them. Why? Because as one man states, '[CIA agents are] too busy fighting now, and the unrest they wanted to cause by the bombings is now upon them.' True or not, it doesn't bode well for the occupiers' image in Iraq."
(http://www.countercurrents.org/iraq-jamail200404.htm)

Two days later, on April 22, 2004, Agence France-Presse reported that five car-bombings in Basra-three near-simultaneous attacks outside
police stations in Basra that killed sixty-eight people, including twenty children, and two follow-up bombings-were being blamed by
supporters of Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr on the British. While eight hundred supporters demonstrated outside Sadr's offices, a Sadr
spokesman claimed to have "evidence that the British were involved in these attacks" (http://www.inq7.net/wnw/2004/apr/23/wnw_3_1.htm).

An anonymous senior military officer said on April 22, 2004 of these Basra attacks that "It looks like Al-Qaeda. It's got all the
hallmarks: it was suicidal, it was spectacular and it was symbolic."
Brigadier General Nick Carter, commander of the British garrison in Basra, stated more ambiguously that Al Qaeda was not necessarily to
blame for the five bombings, but that those responsible came from outside Basra and "quite possibly" from outside Iraq: "'All that we
can be certain of is that this is something that came from outside,' Carter said" (http://www.inq7.net/wnw/2004/apr/23/wnw_4_1.htm). Moqtada
al-Sadr's supporters of course believed exactly the same thing-differing only in their identification of the criminal outsiders as British agents rather than as Islamist mujaheddin from
other Arab countries.

In May 2005 'Riverbend', the Baghdad author of the widely-read blog Baghdad Burning, reported that what the international press was
reporting as suicide bombings were often in fact "car bombs that are either being remotely detonated or maybe time bombs." After one of the
larger recent blasts, which occurred in the middle-class Ma'moun area of west Baghdad, a man living in a house in front of the blast site was
reportedly arrested for having sniped an Iraqi National Guardsman. But according to 'Riverbend', his neighbours had a different story:

"People from the area claim that the man was taken away not because he shot anyone, but because he knew too much about the bomb. Rumor has it
that he saw an American patrol passing through the area and pausing at the bomb site minutes before the explosion. Soon after they drove away,
the bomb went off and chaos ensued. He ran out of his house screaming to the neighbors and bystanders that the Americans had either planted
the bomb or seen the bomb and done nothing about it. He was promptly taken away."

(http://riverbendblog.blogspit.com/2005_05_01_riverbendblog_archive.ht...)

Also in May 2005, Imad Khadduri, the Iraqi-exile physicist whose writings helped to discredit American and British fabrications about
weapons of mass destruction, reported a story that in Baghdad a driver whose license had been confiscated at an American check-point was told
"to report to an American military camp near Baghdad airport for interrogation and in order to retrieve his license." After being
questioned for half an hour, he was informed that there was nothing against him, but that his license had been forwarded to the Iraqi
police at the al-Khadimiya station "for processing"-and that he should get there quickly before the lieutenant whose name he was given
went off his shift.

"The driver did leave in a hurry, but was soon alarmed with a feeling that his car was driving as if carrying a heavy load, and he also
became suspicious of a low flying helicopter that kept hovering overhead, as if trailing him. He stopped the car and inspected it
carefully. He found nearly 100 kilograms of explosives hidden in the back seat and along the two back doors. The only feasible explanation
for this incident is that the car was indeed booby trapped by the Americans and intended for the al-Khadimiya Shiite district of Baghdad.

The helicopter was monitoring his movement and witnessing the anticipated 'hideous attack by foreign elements'."

(http://www.albasrah.net/maqalat/english/0505/Combat-terrorism_160505.htm)

According to Khadduri, "The same scenario was repeated in Mosul, in the north of Iraq." On this occasion, the driver's life was saved when
his car broke down on the way to the police station where he was supposed to reclaim his license, and when the mechanic to whom he had
recourse "discovered that the spare tire was fully laden with explosives."

Khadduri mentions, as deserving of investigation, a "perhaps unrelated incident" in Baghdad on April 28, 2005 in which a Canadian truck-driver
with dual Canadian-Iraqi citizenship was killed. He quotes a CBC report according to which "Some media cited unidentified sources who said he
may have died after U.S. forces 'tracked' a target, using a helicopter gunship, but Foreign Affairs said it's still investigating
conflicting reports of the death. U. S. officials have denied any involvement."

Another incident, also from April 2005, calls more urgently for investigation, since one of its victims remains alive. Abdul Amir
Younes, a CBS cameraman, was lightly wounded by U.S. forces on April 5 "while filming the aftermath of a car bombing in Mosul." American
military authorities were initially apologetic about his injuries, but three days later arrested him on the grounds that he had been "engaged
in anti-coalition activity" (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/Kafka-does-iraq-the-...).

Arianna Huffington, in her detailed account of this case, quite rightly emphasizes its Kafkaesque qualities: Younes has now been detained, in
Abu Graib and elsewhere, for more than five months-without charges, without any hint of what evidence the Pentagon may hold against him,
and without any indication that he will ever be permitted to stand trial, challenge that evidence, and disprove the charges that might at
some future moment be laid. But in addition to confirming, yet again, the Pentagon's willingness to violate the most fundamental principles
of humane and democratic jurisprudence, this case also raises a further question. Was Younes perhaps arrested, like the Iraqi whose rumoured
fate was mentioned by 'Riverbend', because he had seen-and in Younes' case photographed-more than was good for him?

Agents provocateurs?

Spokesmen for the American and British occupation of Iraq, together with newspapers like the Daily Telegraph, have of course rejected with
indignation any suggestion that their forces could have been involved in false-flag terrorist operations in Iraq.

It may be remembered that during the 1980s spokesmen for the government of Ronald Reagan likewise heaped ridicule on Nicaraguan accusations
that the U.S. was illegally supplying weapons to the 'Contras'-until, that is, a CIA-operated C-123 cargo aircraft full of weaponry was shot down over Nicaragua, and Eugene Hasenfus, a
cargo handler who survived the crash, testified that his supervisors (one of whom was Luis Posada Carriles, the CIA agent responsible for
the 1976 bombing of a Cuban civilian airliner) were working for then-Vice-President George H. W. Bush.

The arrest-and the urgent liberation-of the two undercover British soldiers in Iraq might in a similar manner be interpreted as casting a retrospective light on previously unsubstantiated claims about the involvement of members of the occupying armies in terrorist bombing attacks on civilians.

The parallel is far from exact: in this case there has been no dramatic confession like that of Hasenfus, and there are no directly incriminating documents like the pilot's log of the downed C-123.
There is, moreover, a marked lack of consensus as to what actually happened in Basra. Should we therefore, with Juan Cole, dismiss the possibility British soldiers were acting as agents provocateurs as a "theory [that] has almost no facts behind it"
(http://www.juancole.com)?

Members of Britain's Elite SAS Forces

It appears that when on September 19 suspicious Iraqi police stopped the Toyota Cressida the undercover British soldiers were driving, the two men opened fire, killing one policeman and wounding another. But the soldiers, identified by the BBC as "members of the SAS elite special forces" (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4264614.stm),
were subdued by the police and arrested. A report published by The Guardian on September 24 adds the further detail that the SAS men "are
thought to have been on a surveillance mission outside a police station in Basra when they were challenged by an Iraqi police patrol"
(http://www.guardian.co.uk/iraq/Story/0,2763,1577575,00.html).

As Justin Raimondo has observed in an article published on September 23 at Antiwar.com, nearly every other aspect of this episode is disputed.

The Washington Post dismissively remarked, in the eighteenth paragraph of its report on these events, that "Iraqi security officials variously

accused the two Britons they detained of shooting at Iraqi forces or trying to plant explosives"
(http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/09/20/MNGSSE...).

Iraqi officials in fact accused them not of one or the other act, but of both.

Fattah al-Shaykh, a member of the Iraqi National Assembly, told Al-Jazeera TV on September 19 that the soldiers opened fire when the
police sought to arrest them, and that their car was booby-trapped "and was meant to explode in the centre of the city of Basra in the popular
market" (quoted by Chossudovsky). A deliberately inflammatory press release sent out on the same day by the office of Moqtada al-Sadr (and
posted in English translation at Juan Cole's Informed Comment blog on September 20) states that the soldiers' arrest was prompted by their
having "opened fire on passers-by" near a Basra mosque, and that they were found to have "in their possession explosives and remote-control
devices, as well as light and medium weapons and other accessories" (http://www.juancole.com).

What credence can be given to the claim about explosives? Justin Raimondo writes that while initial BBC Radio reports acknowledged that
the two men indeed had explosives in their car, subsequent reports from the same source indicated that the Iraqi police found nothing beyond
"assault rifles, a light machine gun, an anti-tank weapon, radio gear, and medical kit. This is thought to be standard kit for the SAS
operating in such a theater of operations" (http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=7366).

One might well wonder, with Raimondo, whether an anti-tank weapon is "standard operating equipment"-or what use SAS men on "a surveillance
mission outside a police station" intended to make of it. But more importantly, a photograph published by the Iraqi police and distributed

by Reuters shows that-unless the equipment is a plant-the SAS men were carrying a good deal more than just the items acknowledged by the
BBC.
(http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20050...)

I would want the opinion of an arms expert before risking a definitive judgment about the objects shown, which could easily have filled the
trunk and much of the back seat of a Cressida. But this photograph makes plausible the statement of Sheik Hassan al-Zarqani, a spokesman
for Al-Sadr's Mahdi Army militia:

"What our police found in their car was very disturbing-weapons, explosives, and a remote control detonator. These are the weapons of
terrorists. We believe these soldiers were planning an attack on a market or other civilian targets..." (quoted by Raimondo)

The fierce determination of the British army to remove these men from any danger of interrogation by their own supposed allies in the
government the British are propping up-even when their rescue entailed the destruction of an Iraqi prison and the release of a large
number of prisoners, gun-battles with Iraqi police and with Al-Sadr's Mahdi Army militia, a large popular mobilization against the British
occupying force, and a subsequent withdrawal of any cooperation on the part of the regional government-tends, if anything, to support the
view that this episode involved something much darker and more serious than a mere flare-up of bad tempers at a check-point.

US-UK Sponsored Civil War

There is reason to believe, moreover, that the open civil war which car-bomb attacks on civilians seem intended to produce would not be an
unwelcome development in the eyes of the occupation forces.

Writers in the English-language corporate media have repeatedly noted that recent terror-bomb attacks which have caused massive casualties
among civilians appear to be pushing Iraq towards a civil war of Sunnis against Shiites, and of Kurds against both. For example, on September
18, 2005 Peter Beaumont proposed in The Observer that the slaughter of civilians, which he ascribes to Al Qaeda alone, "has one aim: civil
war"
(http://observer.guardian.co.uk/focus/story/0,6903,1572936,00.html).
But H. D. S. Greenway had already suggested on June 17, 2005 in the Boston Globe that "Given the large number of Sunni-led attacks against
Shia targets, the emerging Shia-led attacks against Sunnis, and the extralegal abductions of Arabs by Kurdish authorities in Kirkut, one
has to wonder whether the long-feared Iraqi civil war hasn't already begun"
(http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005...).

And on September 21, 2005 Nancy Youssef and Mohammed al Dulaimy of the Knight Ridder Washington Bureau wrote that the ethnic cleansing of
Shiites in predominantly Sunni Baghdad neighbourhoods "is proceeding at an alarming and potentially destabilizing pace," and quoted the
despairing view of an Iraqi expert:

"'Civil war today is closer than any time before,' said Hazim Abdel Hamid al Nuaimi, a professor of politics at al-Mustansiriya University
in Baghdad. 'All of these explosions, the efforts by police and purging of neighbourhoods is a battle to control Baghdad.'"

(http://www.realcities.com/mid/krwashington/12704935.htm)

Whether or not it has already begun or will occur, the eruption of a full-blown civil war, leading to the fragmentation of the country,
would clearly be welcomed in some circles. Israeli strategists and journalists proposed as long ago as 1982 that one of their country's
strategic goals should be the partitioning of Iraq into a Shiite state, a Sunni state, and a separate Kurdish part. (See foreign ministry
official Oded Yinon's "A Strategy for Israel in the 1980s," Kivunim 14 [February 1982]; a similar proposal put forward by Ze'ev Schiff in
Ha'aretz in the same month is noted by Noam Chomsky in Fateful Triangle [2nd ed., Cambridge, MA: South End Press, 1999], p. 457).

A partitioning of Iraq into sections defined by ethnicity and by Sunni-Shia differences would entail, obviously enough, both civil war
and ethnic cleansing on a massive scale. But these considerations did not deter Leslie H. Gelb from advocating in the New York Times, on
November 25, 2003, what he called "The Three-State Solution".
(http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/iraq/three.htm).

Gelb, a former senior State Department and Pentagon official, a former editor and columnist for the New York Times, and president emeritus of
the Council on Foreign Relations, is an insider's insider. And if the essays of Yinon and Schiff are nasty stuff, especially in the context
of Israel's 1981 bombing attack on Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor, there is still some difference between speculatively proposing the
dismemberment of a powerful neighbouring country, and actively advocating the dismemberment of a country that one's own nation has
conquered in a war of unprovoked aggression. The former might be described as a diseased imagining of war and criminality; the latter
belongs very clearly to the category of war crimes.

Gelb's essay proposes punishing the Sunni-led insurgency by separating the largely Sunni centre of present-day Iraq from the
oil-rich Kurdish north and the oil-rich Shia south. It holds out the dismembering of the Yugoslav federation in the 1990s (with the
appalling slaughters that ensued) as a "hopeful precedent."

Gelb's essay has been widely interpreted as signaling the intentions of a dominant faction in the U.S. government. It has also, very
appropriately, been denounced by Bill Vann as openly promoting "a war crime of world-historic proportions"
(http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/nov2003/gelb-n26.shtml).

Given the increasing desperation of the American and British governments in the face of an insurgency that their tactics of mass
arbitrary arrest and torture, Phoenix-Program or "Salvadoran-option" death squads, unrestrained use of overwhelming military force, and
murderous collective punishment have failed to suppress, it comes as no surprise that in recent military actions such as the assault on Tal
Afar the U.S. army has been deploying Kurdish peshmerga troops and Shiite militias in a manner that seems designed to inflame ethnic
hatreds.

No one, I should hope, is surprised any longer by the fact that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi-that fictional construct of the Pentagon's serried
ranks of little Tom Clancies, that one-legged Dalek, that Scarlet Pimpernel of terrorism, who manages to be here, there, and everywhere
at once-should be so ferociously devoted to the terrorizing and extermination of his Shiite co-religionists.

Should we be any more surprised, then, to see evidence emerging in Iraq of false-flag terrorist bombings conducted by the major occupying
powers? The secret services and special forces of both the U.S. and Britain have, after all, had some experience in these matters.

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And if you have any doubt at all that Skull n' Bones, aka Haliburton, CIA etc. have a vested interest in extending these wars as long as possible, watch
the video 'Iraq For Sale'

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-66...amp;q=Iraq+fo...

A Robert Greenwald film about corporations in Iraq.

This is Vietnam all over again, Its all about the Skull n' Bones clan getting rich selling weaponry n' drugs, nothing more.

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KILLUMANATI
Thank You So much for this post......Some of the Above Info. really filled in a few Blanks I had about certain subjects....
SwampGator
rolleyes.gif wacko.gif.....now I know why you can't spell thinker and spelled it thunker.
KILLUMANATI
QUOTE(SwampGator @ Jan 27 2007, 05:08 AM) [snapback]1517784[/snapback]
rolleyes.gif wacko.gif


LOL....The Halliburton Contracts in Iraq I mean. IE Skull N' Bones..

I'm guessing you have insight on the subjects............
Redtail
Can't speak on the rest of the groups but we now know you know little to nothing about the Hells Angles. I'm sure Sonny Barger would be shocked to find out what they were up to, especially after the RICO deal and his years in prision.

BTW:
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Hells Angels (being) originally formed by former WWII/Korean War and Vietnam War vets
Most 1% clubs of the era were also.
thunkerdrone
QUOTE(Redtail @ Jan 27 2007, 03:45 AM) [snapback]1518052[/snapback]
Can't speak on the rest of the groups but we now know you know little to nothing about the Hells Angles. I'm sure Sonny Barger would be shocked to find out what they were up to, especially after the RICO deal and his years in prision.


Working for the Hells Angels does not make you completely immune to prison. If you have any doubt about the CIA involvement in drugs , see this video:
BBC documentary called the Secrets of the CIA, that gets into some detail on Air America's narcotic activities in SE Asia

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...e+CIA&hl=en
thunkerdrone
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Also the film Air America takes you right into some of the action

download the movie:
Thunker; this forum has no tolerance for piracy, and I have removed the link for that reason, please do not do that again.
Cadetak
It always comes back to Mel Gibson hmm.
thunkerdrone
Check out these examples of how bikers seem to habitually show up in opposition to war protesters.
(Guess they don't want their smack/crack supply lines cut off, whether it's Afghanistan or Vietnam)

QUOTE

http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC/pacificaviet/
October 15, 1965: Anti-Vietnam war rallies are held in four U.S. cities, the largest in New York and Berkeley. "That evening, some 15,000 demonstrators left the campus marching toward Oakland.
The following day (October 16), the marchers return. (About 100 had remained in the park overnight). When the two to five thousand protesters reach the Oakland City line, they are stopped by police. The police ask the protestors to sit down in the street to avoid violent confrontations. Poet Allen Ginsberg chants "Hare Krishna" at the front of the march. The Hell's Angels motorcycle gang appears, rips down banners, and attacks protestors, yelling, "Go back to Russia communists!".



QUOTE

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...09/ixworld.html
Bikers on guard at Iraq war funerals

The sound of outraged patriotism is echoing across the American heartland like rolling thunder.
Mounted on earth-trembling Harley-Davidsons, a volunteer army is shielding grieving families from Iraq war protesters.
Marshalling more than 200 bikes for a military funeral in hardbitten Kokomo, the Indiana "state captain" of the Patriot Guard Riders, Richard Wilbur, was loathe to discuss the protests.
thunkerdrone
QUOTE(Redtail @ Jan 27 2007, 03:45 AM) [snapback]1518052[/snapback]
Can't speak on the rest of the groups but we now know you know little to nothing about the Hells Angles. I'm sure Sonny Barger would be shocked to find out what they were up to, especially after the RICO deal and his years in prision.

BTW: Most 1% clubs of the era were also.


I suspect that it is not just people within the Hells Angels mixed up with the CIA. At a guess, there are likely operatives
in the Bandidos, the mafia, maybe even the Crips etc. The drugs have to be moved, and we know the CIA is not above
working with such people as Lawrence King , who ran the BoysTown prostitution ring in Conspiracy of Silence.

The error that you and others make in assessing the CIA is in the assumption that the CIA are subject to all of the same
checks and balances that every other agency of the government is subject to, which is just not the case. They operate
outside and 'above' the laws of the normal law and order world that you and I and America know. (ostensibly of necessity,
purportedly of benefit to all
). In reality the axiom holds true here that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
The CIA have been given nearly absolute power and license to do as they see fit, which has led to the situation that we are in today, with levels of corruption and collusion that defy belief.
louie
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/ver/21/popup/...55&src=news
So what do you think is this just to show the media that they are not working toghter-
thunkerdrone
QUOTE(louie @ Jan 30 2007, 08:38 AM) [snapback]1522259[/snapback]
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/ver/21/popup/...55&src=news
So what do you think is this just to show the media that they are not working toghter-



People have to get their heads around the fact the CIA is largely a criminal organization. The police and the rest of the
government are not 'working together'with the Hells Angels. The CIA plants people in various positions in govt. and
in police, to enable the smooth traffic of narcotics, but it is not always smooth sailing . What they are doing is still illegal.
, things still go wrong, and Hells Angels still end up in jail.
Unlimited
why drag the hells angels into it...CIA spooks...i believe they foment war were there is none...good guy bad guy. you play both...for the most profit.
thunkerdrone
QUOTE(limited @ Jan 30 2007, 09:29 AM) [snapback]1522300[/snapback]
why drag the hells angels into it...


Simple. The CIA is flying in the drugs. Flights leave South America and Afghanistan every week. They need someone at the other end (this end) to
take delivery.

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CIA spooks...i believe they foment war were there is none...good guy bad guy. you play both...for the most profit.


correct


thunkerdrone

Wednesday, January 31, 2007


Rogue U.S. Troops Knowingly Bombed British In Iraq

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Rogue U.S. Troops Knowingly Bombed British In Iraq
British soldiers desperately released friendly fire smoke canisters, before A10 bombers swooped in for a second attack

Paul Joseph Watson


http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...c7-8820e5e30bff


RadicalGnostic
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It is amazing to me how the conspiracies always seem to mix disparate groups together; I'm not intending to glorify the Angels, but I hesitate to connect them with Skull&Bones (unless some S&B members were also motorcycle enthusiasts) and the CIA (the same government that raided the Angels clubhouses and sent a number of members to Federal Prison?).

That's my story and I'm sticking to it rofl.gif
thunkerdrone
QUOTE(RadicalGnostic @ Feb 10 2007, 11:52 PM) [snapback]1538175[/snapback]
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It is amazing to me how the conspiracies always seem to mix disparate groups together; I'm not intending to glorify the Angels, but I hesitate to connect them with Skull&Bones (unless some S&B members were also motorcycle enthusiasts) and the CIA (the same government that raided the Angels clubhouses and sent a number of members to Federal Prison?).

That's my story and I'm sticking to it rofl.gif



Skull n' Bones are part of the same network as the Hells Angels, namely international drug smuggling, & as previously pointed out the term Hells Angels applies to more than its North American motorcycle gang manifestation.

The FBI raided the Angels, btw, so get your head out of the sand.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
I think I put by head back in the sand. It makes more sense than this.
jimmyphelps
Support 81 Rock street crew


81 worldwide

A.F.F.A.
thunkerdrone
QUOTE(ericraven2003 @ Feb 11 2007, 12:58 PM) [snapback]1538823[/snapback]
I think I put by head back in the sand. It makes more sense than this.


this is the battle cry of Generation Y
jimmyphelps
Actually Guy Im with you on most of your stuff.................

i think your doing great work here at UM

But i am AFRAID that you are WAY off the mark with 81

Im sorry but what your implying just does NOT exist

within the organization....and dont let Sonny catch ya

talkin trash....on this part your right they have long

arms and GOOD ears be careful

http/www.hells-angels.cz/hamc/images/main_logo.gif

BTW it is advisable to *Remove* the colors shown in the post on the last page you are breaking a strict trademark law and if the angels see it and so decide they will act upon it

just a friendly reminder

*The words Hells Angels and the Deaths Head Logo are property of Hells Angels Motorcycle Corporation, Inc. ( HAMC). and protected by one or more Trademarks, Service marks, and Collective Membership Marks owned by HAMC. All unauthorized use is strictly forbidden, including reproduction in any manner.
All Rights Reserved*

jimmy phelps
ddiggler
QUOTE(KILLUMANATI @ Jan 26 2007, 10:05 PM) [snapback]1517777[/snapback]
Thank You So much for this post......Some of the Above Info. really filled in a few Blanks I had about certain subjects....


Just wanted to say I like the owl pic from the Bohemian Grove....
thunkerdrone
Ten minute trailer preview (excellent, includes footage from Mel Gibson's 'Air America')
on the CIA/Skull&Bones drug running in Laos, Vietnam, and Afghanistan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewi8tE7I7GU

[the CIA's secret airline is called Air America]



brief 4 min. interview of author of 'Fleshing out Skull & Bones':
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX-Lbhh8pCk...ted&search=

(notice how she cuts off the interview as soon as he mentions the CIA drug running )


brief video:
Bush and Kerry both admitting they are members of Skull & Bones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1yFQfJ8P5A...ted&search=

related ten minute clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1voGyccmaA...ted&search=
thunkerdrone
mask and hood photo from spy video taken of Skull & Bones ritual at Yale (done with night-vision video camera from nearby rooftop over-looking the Skulls
'tomb' building's inner court yard.)


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This photo is of Dennis Rader (aka BTK killer) in a grave that he
had dug for his murder victim Dolores Davis. He is wearing a plastic
mask.

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Rader would dress up as his victims and pose for photographs taken by himself with
a tripod and timer camera arrangement. Delores Davis' body was found discarded beneath a bridge with the plastic mask beside it. (Rader had apparently not had time to carry out his fantasy of burying her (alive?) in the mask and had killed her and dumped her body instead)

What is interesting about this is that this is eerily similar to the Skull & Bones
initiation rituals which feature both the use of the same types of masks and live
burials. Moreover, Rader killed Delores Davies in 1991, long before all of the information on the Skull & Bones society rituals hit the internet or was otherwise made generally known to the public.

I think it unlikely that Rader would, out of sheer fantasy. replicate so closely many of the elements of a Skull & Bones ritual. Rader may have had prior experience with said rituals, as he himself was an Air Force operative during the Vietnam War, based in Japan, as was George H.W. Bush Sr. (Air Force) based in Japan during the Korean War. George Bush Sr. is known to have been both a member of Skull & Bones and at one time head of the CIA.

Rader's first murder was of Joseph Otera (and his family) , a former U.S. Air Force pilot based in Panama during the years of the Manuel Noriega/CIA cocaine cartel.(Panamanian Manuel Noriega has long been rumored to have been on the CIA payroll during the years that George Bush Sr. was head of the CIA.) Otera was killed almost immediately after retiring from the U.S. Air Force and settling down in Kansas. It has long been speculated that the Otera murders were likely committed by more than one person , as Otera was an ex-military martial-arts expert.

The 'BTK' murder of Otera may have actually been as much of a CIA hit as a sex crime.

QUOTE
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA%20Hi...ma_CIAHits.html
from the book
The CIAs Greatest Hits
by Mark Zepezauer


For most of his life, Manuel Noriega got along very well with the CIA. As far back as 1959, he was reporting on Panamanian leftists to the Americans; by 1966, he was on the CIA payroll. Despite-or maybe because of-Noriega's "perverse" treatment of prisoners, he was deemed worthy to be trained at the notorious School of the Americas (also known as the "School of Dictators" or the "School of Assassins" ), run by the US Army in Panama City (it's since moved to Ft. Benning, Georgia).
As early as 1972, reports of Noriega's drug trafficking irked the DEA, and the State Department complained of his dealings with other intelligence services, notably those of Israel and Cuba. Don't worry, said the CIA-he's our boy.
In 1976, Noriega paid a visit to CIA Director George Bush in Washington. Bush's successor was less comfortable with Noriega and took him off the CIA payroll, but when Bush became vice-president in 1980, Noriega went back on, with a six-figure annual salary.
In 1981, Panama's popular head of state, Omar Torrijos, was killed in a plane crash; by 1983, Noriega had consolidated his control. In 1987, a close Noriega aide corroborated what many suspected-Noriega had sabotaged Torrijos' plane. (The CIA has also been linked to the assassination, in 1955, of Panama's president, allegedly with the approval of then-Vice-President Nixon).
Nothing Noriega did seemed to upset the CIA. If he smuggled cocaine on contra supply planes ...well, he wasn't the only one. If he beheaded a political opponent who accused him of drug running...well, he was just being firm.
If he used violence and fraud to steal the 1984 Panamanian elections...well, we couldn't have been more pleased with the outcome.
By 1989, however, the love affair was over. Noriega had angered his handlers by waffling on his opposition to the Sandinistas in Nicaragua and he was showing other disquieting signs of disobedience. In December 1989, US troops invaded Panama to "arrest" Noriega, slaughtering 2,000 - 4,000 innocent civilians in the process.
What changed after the invasion? Violence, fraud and drug trafficking continued unabated. But, unlike Noriega, Panama's new rulers knew how to follow orders, and agreed to reconsider the Torrijos treaties, under which all US military bases in Panama would be shut down by the year 2000. (In 1994, Torrijos' and Noriega's old party was voted back in-so look for more CIA sabotage.


Another strange coincidence here is that Berdella used animal tranquilizer to knock out and immobilize his victims, and Dennis Rader worked as Wichita dog catcher who was once accused of harassing residents and even euthanized one resident'd dog:

QUOTE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Rader
In 1991 Rader ran and was elected as a Republican[2] supervisor of the Compliance Department at Park City, a two-employee, multi-functional department in charge of "animal control, housing problems, zoning, general permit enforcement and a variety of nuisance cases." In this position, neighbors recalled him as sometimes overzealous and extremely strict; one neighbor complained that he euthanized her dog for no reason.


so there are a lot of strange coincidences between Berdella and BTK.

Both of them serial killers, both operated in the Kansas area during the 1980s. Both of them had access to animal tranquilizer, and both of them were found to have owned occult ritual masks, both of them affiliated with municipal services (Berdella a 'drug counsellor', Rader a dog catcher/bylaw enforcement officer)
Unlimited
Like bush and kerry said...it's a secret..........perpetual war for perpetual profit; is the game....that's the big secret...
thunkerdrone
QUOTE(limited @ Mar 20 2007, 06:10 AM) [snapback]1591198[/snapback]
Like bush and kerry said...it's a secret..........perpetual war for perpetual profit; is the game....that's the big secret...


check out the war casualties ONE WEEK into the Iraq war, all of them 'accidental' or 'self-inflicted' (what the hell is going on here?!)

QUOTE
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/07/1049567623996.html

Friendly fire incidents and accidents

April 8 2003

Following is a chronology of friendly fire incidents in Iraq and accidents that have claimed the lives of about 40 coalition troops and injured several dozen since the start of the war on March 20.

ACCIDENTS:

March 21: A US helicopter crashes in Kuwait killing eight British and four American crewmen.

March 22: Two helicopters from Britain's Royal Navy collide in mid-air over international waters in the Gulf killing the seven crewmen on board.

March 23: Two US Marines are killed and four others are injured in two separate road accidents in Kuwait and Iraq.

March 30: Three US Marines are killed and one is injured when their transport helicopter crashes in southern Iraq. The Pentagon said the crash appeared to be an accident.

April 6: The US military says three American soldiers are killed and five are injured in an accident involving an F-15 Eagle fighter jet and coalition troops on the ground.

The US Central Command is also investigating another similar incident that reportedly left one US soldier dead and several injured.

FRIENDLY FIRE INCIDENTS:


March 22: A British Royal Air Force (RAF) Tornado jet is accidentally shot down by a US Patriot missile. The Tornado's two crew are killed.

March 24: Two British soldiers are killed when their tank is mistakenly targeted by another British tank in southern Iraq.

March 27: 37 US Marines are injured when US troops mistakenly fire at each other near the southern city of Nasiriyah.

March 28: A British soldier is killed and four others are injured in the region of Basra when a US A-10 ground attack aircraft fires on them.

April 2: An F-18 US fighter jet is downed, probably by a US Patriot missile. The pilot is reported missing.

April 3: A US serviceman mistaken for an Iraqi soldier is shot dead by his own troops in central Iraq.

April 6: 18 Kurdish fighters are killed and 45 wounded near Arbil in northern Iraq when US aircraft mistakenly bomb a joint US-Kurdish convoy.

According to the website of the American War Library, just over half of the coalition troops killed or injured during the 1991 Gulf War were victims of friendly fire incidents.

Of those, about 165 US casualties were due to "friendly fire" out of a total of 367 Americans who lost their lives, it said.

OTHER INCIDENTS:

March 22: A US soldier at a camp in Kuwait lobs grenades into the tents of fellow soldiers, killing two and wounding 11 others.

March 30: 15 American soldiers are injured at a military camp in northern Kuwait when a disgruntled Egyptian employee rams a truck into the group. The truck driver sustained two gunshot wounds.

AFP

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Unlimited
I heard pat tillman was shot more than 60 times?.....
thunkerdrone
QUOTE(limited @ Mar 20 2007, 08:36 AM) [snapback]1591318[/snapback]
I heard pat tillman was shot more than 60 times?.....



http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/sto...mp;lid=tab1pos1

Early in the evening of April 22, 2004, a heavily armored vehicle in the trailing half of a split platoon came under attack from enemy fire in the rugged mountainous terrain of southeastern Afghanistan. Soldiers in a Humvee opened fire in retaliation but instead shot at fellow Rangers positioned ahead, killing Pat Tillman and an Afghan soldier standing 10 feet off Tillman's left shoulder. The former NFL safety — the Army's most celebrated volunteer — took three bullets to the forehead.
Three days removed from the ambush and the ensuing firefight, it wasn't the memory of the rounds of gunshots raining clouds of rock and dust down the towering canyon walls that troubled Spc. Ryan Mansfield. It was the madness of making sense of it all.

Two years after Pat Tillman's death, many questions remain unanswered.

Spc. Pat Tillman was dead.

Sitting in a crammed tent at Camp Salerno, the Army's Forward Operating Base in the province of Khowst, Afghanistan, Mansfield witnessed the raw emotion and friction in the unit as the soldiers agonized over the tragic outcome of the mission. An Army chaplain pulled up a seat. So did an Army psychiatrist as squad leaders and high-ranking officers joined the 30 or so young Rangers still fresh from their first firefight.

The soldiers in the Black Sheep platoon didn't need a tidy, bureaucratic Army inquiry to tell them what they already knew: Pat Tillman had been killed in a case of fratricide, otherwise known as friendly fire, by someone among them at the meeting.

By then, they knew that. Like Mansfield, though, many of them were struggling with how it had happened. With why it had happened. With the awful enormity of it all.

"It was emotional," said Mansfield, then 20 years old and a gunner in the vehicle that had been just in front of Tillman's, in an interview with ESPN.com. "Some people had things they said that other people didn't want to hear. It was just pretty personal. People in the second serial [the trailing half of the platoon] had a different perspective of what happened than people in the first. …"

In Their Words
Listen to firsthand accounts of what transpired the day Pat Tillman died from a radio telephone operator who also was hit by friendly fire, two additional soldiers in the firefight, and the lieutenant colonel who directed the Army's first official investigation into the incident.

More from others shot that day ...
Jade Lane was less than 100 yards from Pat Tillman when both U.S. soldiers were shot by friendly fire in Afghanistan on April 22, 2004. Tillman died on the scene after being struck by three shots to the head. Lane returned home to cope with the memories of being injured by fellow Rangers.

David Uthlaut graduated at the head of his class at West Point and marched in President Bush's inauguration parade in 2001. He had never lost a soldier under his command ... until the day Pat Tillman was killed by friendly fire in southeastern Afghanistan. Uthault also was shot on April 22, 2004, and the platoon leader now calls coping with the aftermath of the incident "the hardest thing I've ever had to deal with."
Two years after Tillman's death, the perspectives on the circumstances are still very much at odds and the story is still very much alive. As the Defense Department Inspector General's Office nears the completion of yet another investigation into Tillman's death, many very important questions remain unanswered.

• Are the Rangers who fired at Tillman and their other fellow soldiers guilty of criminal wrongdoing?

• Why did the Army glorify Tillman's actions on the battlefield during the firefight in which he was killed?

• Did the Army purposely conceal that Tillman had been killed by friendly fire? If so, why?

• And did the Army consciously puff up the Tillman story by awarding the dead soldier a Silver Star, its third-highest distinction for combat valor, to go along with his Purple Heart and a posthumous promotion from specialist to corporal?
For reasons that remain under investigation more than two years later, the Pentagon elected for almost five weeks after the incident not to disclose the fact Tillman had been gunned down by members of his own platoon. Yet some in Tillman's unit knew the night it happened. ESPN.com found that word of the fratricide had filtered through the ranks within a day or two of Tillman's death.

Army brass calling the shots from Camp Salerno also understood what had to be, for them, the discomfiting news about the elite group of soldiers expected to live and fight by a Ranger Creed that reads, in part, "I will never leave a fallen comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy, and under no circumstances will I ever embarrass my country." According to one of the documents obtained by ESPN.com, an Army official flown in to join the platoon the day after the shooting as part of the April 25, 2004, debriefing process told Army investigators, "I think at that point people already knew that it was a fratricide." He said, "So when I say 'people' — [I mean] leadership, okay."

In the meeting three days after Tillman's death, however, chaos and unanswered questions dominated the warm night air as Mansfield and the rest of the unit tried to understand how a Ranger — one of the soldiers who even then was with them under their tent — had killed the most famous soldier in the war. As the meeting progressed, the young men took turns pitching their piece of the big picture. Words like "bad judgment" and "panic" were tossed about. Gossip and suspicion flowed freely.


complete article:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/sto...mp;lid=tab1pos1
Hungrii Flea-Bagius
The CIA does NOT use "Air America" as a front
Thats the HOLYWEIRD version of it all and its proliferated to "DIVERT" attention
From the "REAL" front company for the CIA which has been around for a long time
Evergreen Aviation is "the" front company for CIA air operations GLOBALLY

It is an International "company" it is also tied to EVERGREEN AVIATION that build
"Sparaying Aircraft" whic spray everything from fire supressants to aeresols to bug
abatement.....do a search into Evergreen Aviation CIA and youll start to put it all together
Air America is for CT's to use to divert attention unsuspectingly without even realizing it

dont buy the Hollweird Name it is covering Evergreen
itsnotoutthere
You are without doubt a 100%, gold nugget, top dollar, A1, first class, top of the line, first pass the post, loon.

American military don't need an excuse to shoot up their own allies, everybody knows they're 'gung ho' & will take any opertunity to 'loose one off' given half the chance, hell we lost more troops in the original Iraqi war to American 'friendly fire' than we did to the enemy, why do you think that many other European countries are smart reluctant to fight along side them.
thunkerdrone
QUOTE(Hungrii Flea-Bagius @ Mar 22 2007, 09:53 AM) [snapback]1594796[/snapback]
The CIA does NOT use "Air America" as a front
Thats the HOLYWEIRD version of it all and its proliferated to "DIVERT" attention
From the "REAL" front company for the CIA which has been around for a long time
Evergreen Aviation is "the" front company for CIA air operations GLOBALLY

It is an International "company" it is also tied to EVERGREEN AVIATION that build
"Spraying Aircraft" whic spray everything from fire supressants to aeresols to bug
abatement.....do a search into Evergreen Aviation CIA and youll start to put it all together
Air America is for CT's to use to divert attention unsuspectingly without even realizing it

dont buy the Hollweird Name it is covering Evergreen


thank you for the tip. I meant to say 'the CIA's secret airline is dubbed 'Air America' ,
in other words it is a tongue in cheek nickname that is used by special forces and CIA insiders.



Spunned
QUOTE(thunkerdrone @ Feb 1 2007, 02:01 AM) [snapback]1524692[/snapback]
Wednesday, January 31, 2007


Rogue U.S. Troops Knowingly Bombed British In Iraq

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Rogue U.S. Troops Knowingly Bombed British In Iraq
British soldiers desperately released friendly fire smoke canisters, before A10 bombers swooped in for a second attack

Paul Joseph Watson
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...c7-8820e5e30bff


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thunkerdrone
watch this brief video trailer for the Universal Pictures
movie Skulls , about the Skull & Bones society:

http://movies.virginmedia.com/player/defau...301&sec=trl

http://www.theskulls.net/pages/initiation/index.html
jimmyphelps
pretty cool vids thanks man i enjoyed them

they were pretty interesting i thought
jaylemurph
QUOTE(thunkerdrone @ Mar 23 2007, 11:17 PM) [snapback]1597330[/snapback]
watch this brief video trailer for the Universal Pictures
movie Skulls , about the Skull & Bones society:

http://movies.virginmedia.com/player/defau...301&sec=trl

http://www.theskulls.net/pages/initiation/index.html


...Skulls? You're putting forth the fictional movie Skulls as evidence of anything?!
That's like touting Julius Caesar or Richard III as accurate representations of historical conspiracy, but with less literary taste.

--Jaylemurph
thunkerdrone
QUOTE(jaylemurph @ Mar 23 2007, 10:18 PM) [snapback]1597399[/snapback]
...Skulls? You're putting forth the fictional movie Skulls as evidence of anything?!


not really. I just threw these into the mix for entertainment purposes mainly. Just to add to the general public awareness.
A lot of people do not know that Hollywood films have been done about this, and I thought they would find this information
interesting.


jaylemurph
QUOTE(Hungrii Flea-Bagius @ Mar 24 2007, 01:05 PM) [snapback]1598116[/snapback]
no those services are provided by taxes payed By corporate America Not Personal tax
which is basically illegal any how....I suspect the reader Just got through watching
America Freedom to Fascism by arron Russo which really does an excellent Job of
showing us all how we have been duped by the Government and the IRS...

you should watch it and then also look into Irwinn Schiff and learn the realities of the
LIES perpatrated by the Government against its people....your Voters registration
card when signed is HOW they legally bind you into paying an illegal income tax

This is America 101



QUOTE(thunkerdrone @ Mar 25 2007, 12:53 AM) [snapback]1598847[/snapback]
not really. I just threw these into the mix for entertainment purposes mainly. Just to add to the general public awareness.
A lot of people do not know that Hollywood films have been done about this, and I thought they would find this information
interesting.


Ahhh. Point quite taken, thunker. I still think Julius Caesar and Richard III are better examples, though!

--Jaylemurph
Bill Hill
It's not these guys responsible for the insurgents blink.gif

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It's those guys, below

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Now, I know they both have beards/ strange hair growth etc but there is a difference...
asc.rudeboy
the reason bikers are a huge part of protesting anti war protestors,because many served or have had family and friends that serve,,working class people showing support for fellow working class.its always been this way.farmers,plant,dock workers,the list goes on and on..
thunkerdrone
QUOTE(billyhill @ Mar 25 2007, 12:01 AM) [snapback]1598902[/snapback]
It's not these guys responsible for the insurgents blink.gif

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yes, its not bikers, its these guys (Special Forces):
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a lot of these guys become bikers in their 'retirement' when they return to the U.S. (A lot of them help distribute the drugs being brought in by the CIA mafia) Some of them are already junkies while drug running overseas, so they join a biker gang when they get back in order to stay hooked up and feed their habit.


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Special Forces Harley
http://auto.military.com/roadwarriors/view...oom/106516.html
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"The scenes painted on the bike represent Special Forces soldiers and the high ideals which they ascribe to. Many of the scenes are depicted from his personal experiences while in Vietnam. He served two tours of eighteen months each with Operational "A" Detachments.
jimmyphelps
Your Generalizing statements

its doing nothing for your position

you should not fall into this trap

what your saying is half truths

none of which are All truths



thunkerdrone
QUOTE(jimmyphelps @ Mar 25 2007, 03:16 PM) [snapback]1599499[/snapback]
Your Generalizing statements

its doing nothing for your position

you should not fall into this trap

what your saying is half truths

none of which are All truths


speaking of generalizations, could you be a bit more specific?
Hungrii Flea-Bagius
I just E-mailed a link of this thread to sonny barger and the boys
lets see what they have to say if they even BOTHER with this
thunkerdrone
check out this video of FBI agent Michael Ruppert
confronting the director of the CIA on CIA drug smuggling into American inner cities:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t3pl5Wxgyg...ted&search=


(someone says "watch his hands" at 2:18, and notice the masonic hand signals he flashes as he answers Ruppert)

to see another example of masonic hand signals go this video and fast-forward
to 5:57:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3...jones&hl=en
Redtail
QUOTE(thunkerdrone @ Mar 26 2007, 04:14 PM) [snapback]1600534[/snapback]
speaking of generalizations, could you be a bit more specific?


Ok I can't Speak for Jimmy, I'm NOT a 1%er but I know guys who are. Jimmy Claims to be a 15er and from what i've seen him say on this subject I believe him. Now if you look at other threads where Jimmy and I have posted you'll see that we haven't agreed. (until this one)

Yes there are many former SPECWAR guys in 1% clubs but the lifestyle is one that would not mesh with an NWO type mindset. Forget all of the biker movies you've seen. 1%ers want to ride, party, provide for their families (Family by blood and family by deed <the patch>) and be left alone. The way the government has gone after these clubs with RICO and such, has bred a strong distrust. Yes the clubs love America, and yes I believe they would fight for America. But IF there are elements that are doing such things in the Hell's Angels or any other club they are moles that were working for the government to begin with most likely trying to get info on the Angels.

As far as the bike pic. My bike will soon have insignia from 10th cav, 369th INF, 761st tank bat, 332nd pursuit, etc... One's bike tends to reflect ones self.
thunkerdrone
QUOTE(Redtail @ Apr 1 2007, 12:05 AM) [snapback]1608333[/snapback]
Yes there are many former SPECWAR guys in 1% clubs but the lifestyle is one that would not mesh with an NWO type mindset.


what do you mean by new world order mindset?
specifics? what exactly are you trying to say? An elite of extremely rich occultist international arms dealers, narcotics smugglers, casino owners, chemical poison/big pharma manufacturers/toxic waste dumpers, booze manufacturers/ pornographers etc. would object to having highly trained former special forces soldiers running their smack for them in the U.S.?

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The way the government has gone after these clubs with RICO and such, has bred a strong distrust.


It depends on which arm of the government of which you speak. The 'government' is not some one-headed entity that works of one will and purpose on all fronts.
It is many-faceted.
Elements of the government are under public pressure to take action against drug smuggling. That they tend to apply this 'action' quite selectively is another matter entirely.

Other elements of the government work under the guise of secrecy and 'national security' and do whatever the hell they want. There is a constant ongoing struggle between many factions and interests within government. What is clear is that profiteers within the military-industrial complex
decided long ago to take over international narcotics trafficking and use their connections within the intelligence community. Independent start-ups who operate outside of this network
often end up dead or in jail.

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IF there are elements that are doing such things in the Hell's Angels or any other club they are moles that were working for the government to begin with most likely trying to get info on the Angels.


I agree. They are moles working for the military-industrial complex/CIA to make sure that they maintain their monopoly and no one in the network steps out of line and goes into business for themselves.
Redtail
QUOTE(thunkerdrone @ Apr 1 2007, 10:01 AM) [snapback]1608465[/snapback]
what do you mean by new world order mindset?
specifics?

The "we are going to have a shadow governtment that will run the entire world from behind the scenes" midset.

QUOTE(thunkerdrone @ Apr 1 2007, 10:01 AM) [snapback]1608465[/snapback]
what exactly are you trying to say? An elite of extremely rich occultist international arms dealers, narcotics smugglers, casino owners, chemical poison/big pharma manufacturers/toxic waste dumpers, booze manufacturers/ pornographers etc. would object to having highly trained former special forces soldiers running their smack for them in the U.S.?


Nope. I'm saying that the Hells Angels as an organization wouldn't whave their members who are highly trained former special forces soilders running smack in the US for an elite of extremely rich occultist international arms dealers, narcotics smugglers, casino owners, chemical poison/big pharma manufacturers/toxic waste dumpers, booze manufacturers/ pornographers etc.

QUOTE(thunkerdrone @ Apr 1 2007, 10:01 AM) [snapback]1608465[/snapback]
It depends on which arm of the government of which you speak. The 'government' is not some one-headed entity that works of one will and purpose on all fronts.
It is many-faceted.
Elements of the government are under public pressure to take action against drug smuggling. That they tend to apply this 'action' quite selectively is another matter entirely.

Other elements of the government work under the guise of secrecy and 'national security' and do whatever the hell they want. There is a constant ongoing struggle between many factions and interests within government. What is clear is that profiteers within the military-industrial complex
decided long ago to take over international narcotics trafficking and use their connections within the intelligence community. Independent start-ups who operate outside of this network
often end up dead or in jail.


But the HAMC is not going to have anything to do with any branch that harms personal freedom.





QUOTE(thunkerdrone @ Apr 1 2007, 10:01 AM) [snapback]1608465[/snapback]
I agree. They are moles working for the military-industrial complex/CIA to make sure that they maintain their monopoly and no one in the network steps out of line and goes into business for themselves.


No the moles are in the HAMC so they they can rat on the club. For example.
http://www.azcentral.com/specials/special4...lsangels23.html
thunkerdrone
QUOTE(Redtail @ Apr 1 2007, 04:07 PM) [snapback]1609042[/snapback]
No the moles are in the HAMC so they they can rat on the club. For example.
http://www.azcentral.com/specials/special4...lsangels23.html


Once again, there are many facets and factions to government. Theses 'moles ' you speak of are likely FBI informants, not CIA operatives. When it comes
to intelligence operations, the CIA/NSA is supreme. The FBI, with its limited resources and transparency does not stand a chance against the CIA and the
military-industrial complex. Michael Ruppert is proof that the CIA regularly recruits agents even within the FBI as plants and spies and saboteurs.

thunkerdrone
QUOTE(Redtail @ Apr 1 2007, 04:07 PM) [snapback]1609042[/snapback]
I'm saying that the Hells Angels as an organization wouldn't have their members who are highly trained former special forces soilders running smack in the US for an elite of extremely rich occultist international arms dealers, narcotics smugglers, casino owners, chemical poison/big pharma manufacturers/toxic waste dumpers, booze manufacturers/ pornographers etc.


Wishful thinking, imo.

The facts do not bear that out at all. The Hells Angels have in fact frequently had among them members who are highly trained former special forces soldiers
who have on many occasions been caught running smack in the US for an elite of extremely rich occultist international arms dealers, narcotics smugglers, casino owners, chemical poison/big pharma manufacturers/toxic waste dumpers, booze manufacturers/ pornographers etc.
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