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Wow dude.... this thread is about nothing but mis information and distortion of facts. I can't believe its been alive this long. I think the reason it has so many views is because people want to see what stupid crack pot idea you come up with next.
QUOTE (goofball_mcgee @ Nov 1 2007, 02:11 PM) 
Wow dude.... this thread is about nothing but mis information and distortion of facts. I can't believe its been alive this long. I think the reason it has so many views is because people want to see what stupid crack pot idea you come up with next.
Yes. You are totally correct.
I'll just throw out again that thunker needs a blog and not his own personal thread.
--Jaylemurph
--Jaylemurph
QUOTE (thunkerdrone @ Oct 23 2007, 03:28 PM)
Huli folklore tells stories of fighting cannibalistic giants:
The indigenous people of New Guinea are characteristically short in stature by western standards,
so foreign cannibals large in stature by our standards, could appear to them as giants.
The indigenous people of New Guinea are characteristically short in stature by western standards,
so foreign cannibals large in stature by our standards, could appear to them as giants.
a new video clip of the progress made so far....cheers
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z0gTRpwx93o
article: Were the Egyptians cannibals?
<a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html...9609C94669ED7CF" target="_blank">http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html...9609C94669ED7CF</a>
The Rosicrucian Egyptian Museum in San Jose, California:
What, exactly, does a semi-mythical, non-corporeal organization from 17th Century Germany have to do with the ancient Egyptians?
And what lead you to a 110 year old Times article?
--Jaylemurph
And what lead you to a 110 year old Times article?
--Jaylemurph
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Nov 2 2007, 01:52 PM)
What, exactly, does a semi-mythical, non-corporeal organization from 17th Century Germany have to do with the ancient Egyptians?
And what lead you to a 110 year old Times article?
--Jaylemurph
And what lead you to a 110 year old Times article?
--Jaylemurph
You don't see the connection!!! Its so obvious!!! Lets start from the beginning: Jew's started it, when the Egyptians made them slaves, give it a couple thousand years and then the corporation in Germany was owned by the Jews, eventually they got sick of themselves and caused the Holocaust, which never happened. So that inspired the Hell's Angels to take over the government, unfortunately the Mormons, Reptile people, and the Illluminati had already done that. Then Bush caused 9/11 because the Skull and Bones club he and all other elite belong to told him too. So now go back 100 years to the Times article, because where else are you supposed to go? Did I miss anything? I don't know maybe I'll just keep this thread going to be sure. And if you don't understand it, well you must be stupid because its all here in this thread and makes perfect sense. Or just ask David Icke, he seems on the ball.
You know, I've just read through the last few pages of this thread. I can't say I know much more about what it's about than anyone else. However, there are enough interesting articles so far to leave this thread open (for now). So.....
thunkerdrone - when you post articles in the future, please provide some of your own commentary on the matter. Add in a paragraph or two about what you think was important in that. What part of the video/article was particularly informative, and how it supports your theory about this whole Drug-ring in government, because I can't really piece together everything you mean just with the articles on their own. Please do this, because if things stay as they are, I'm going to have to close this thread.
For everyone else - please do not continue to derail this thread with off-topic remarks and general barbs against thunkerdrone. If you feel there is a problem with the thread (or posts within the thread), use the Report function - this will alert the moderators and we can deal with the issue without it degenerating into this.
Thank you, back to the thread.
~ Paranoid Android
thunkerdrone - when you post articles in the future, please provide some of your own commentary on the matter. Add in a paragraph or two about what you think was important in that. What part of the video/article was particularly informative, and how it supports your theory about this whole Drug-ring in government, because I can't really piece together everything you mean just with the articles on their own. Please do this, because if things stay as they are, I'm going to have to close this thread.
For everyone else - please do not continue to derail this thread with off-topic remarks and general barbs against thunkerdrone. If you feel there is a problem with the thread (or posts within the thread), use the Report function - this will alert the moderators and we can deal with the issue without it degenerating into this.
Thank you, back to the thread.
~ Paranoid Android
QUOTE (Paranoid Android @ Nov 2 2007, 10:01 PM)
You know, I've just read through the last few pages of this thread. I can't say I know much more about what it's about than anyone else. However, there are enough interesting articles so far to leave this thread open (for now). So.....
thunkerdrone - when you post articles in the future, please provide some of your own commentary on the matter. Add in a paragraph or two about what you think was important in that. What part of the video/article was particularly informative, and how it supports your theory about this whole Drug-ring in government, because I can't really piece together everything you mean just with the articles on their own. Please do this, because if things stay as they are, I'm going to have to close this thread.
For everyone else - please do not continue to derail this thread with off-topic remarks and general barbs against thunkerdrone. If you feel there is a problem with the thread (or posts within the thread), use the Report function - this will alert the moderators and we can deal with the issue without it degenerating into this.
Thank you, back to the thread.
~ Paranoid Android
thunkerdrone - when you post articles in the future, please provide some of your own commentary on the matter. Add in a paragraph or two about what you think was important in that. What part of the video/article was particularly informative, and how it supports your theory about this whole Drug-ring in government, because I can't really piece together everything you mean just with the articles on their own. Please do this, because if things stay as they are, I'm going to have to close this thread.
For everyone else - please do not continue to derail this thread with off-topic remarks and general barbs against thunkerdrone. If you feel there is a problem with the thread (or posts within the thread), use the Report function - this will alert the moderators and we can deal with the issue without it degenerating into this.
Thank you, back to the thread.
~ Paranoid Android
One of the reasons that I am reluctant to 'editorialize' is to avoid being taken out of context or being drawn into long time-consuming arguments about my opinion on this information. There are people who LIVE to draw a thread into a mess of arguing , because I believe their true purpose is to make the sharing of information on certain topics as unpleasant and confusing as possible.
I believe that I have skillfully avoided this trap , and my having succeeded is proven in the number of people who are apparently following this thread. In my opinion, if one were to take the time to read the entire thread from end to end and fully absorb the trains of thought presented, the relevance of the posted information would be self-evident to most who do so.
I provide pictures and images wherever possible to make the associations and authenticity even more self-evident.
For those who will not , or cannot , grasp the meaning of my posts and of this thread : they are welcome to stop reading it.
My belief is that most people naturally fall into one of the two categories.
1. The people who absorb and appreciate and follow the thread (in large numbers, btw)
2. The people who cannot be bothered to read the entire thing or absorb it, and decide to ignore it.
3. ?????????
This third category of angry people who cannot stop reading the thread, and appear frustrated that I will not be drawn into antagonistic arguments baffles me. I would put them into the category of censors. It is possible that their purpose is to make the thread
unpalatable , out of fear of the sensitive nature of the subject matter gaining wide exposure. Their whole technique involves making the thread (whichever one they may object to) become something else entirely,usually a debate about who hates the other more , which one is 'stupid' etc. Childish nonsense, designed to destroy the true flow of information.
I fail to see why you would see a need to 'close' a thread that is drawing hundreds , if not thousands of readers , simply on the basis that a couple of people
are angry that I won't be drawn into arguments about it. They have been welcome to post their opinions on this information, but have chosen instead
to feign confusion and try to create a hostile exchange, which I refuse to participate in.
I'll repeat my question, then.
What connection is there between the Rosicrucians and the ancient Egyptians?
Nowhere in the extant writings of the actual fraternity do they mention Egypt (though they go at lengths to suggest the their founder Christian Rosenkreutz went to several other Middle Eastern countries to learn old knowledges), or the implied connection of cannibalism.
Needless to say, the ancient Egyptians (as far as I know) don't mention the Rosicrucians, so the connection eludes me.
--Jaylemurph
What connection is there between the Rosicrucians and the ancient Egyptians?
Nowhere in the extant writings of the actual fraternity do they mention Egypt (though they go at lengths to suggest the their founder Christian Rosenkreutz went to several other Middle Eastern countries to learn old knowledges), or the implied connection of cannibalism.
Needless to say, the ancient Egyptians (as far as I know) don't mention the Rosicrucians, so the connection eludes me.
--Jaylemurph
QUOTE (Sunni @ May 10 2007, 11:39 AM)
To be honest, I didn't have a clue as to who or what this SKULL AND BONES was exactly, until I seen a program about it (and few of the others) on the HISTORY channel just here recently.
It certainly caught my attention anyway-
It certainly caught my attention anyway-
I saw Hells Angels and straight away though of the biker gangs.
After reading this post it makes ya realize, some things are lot bigger than you persieve.
Ya'll got "Bigguns" for you are able to speak freely.
Well done!!!!!
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It is known that every form of occultism was cultivated among the Egyptian priesthood, that magic, magnetism, astrology, and the secrets of chemistry found their votaries in the temples. Since Moses was said to be learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, which wisdom, as we know, included magic, there is no inherent improbability in the kabbalistic tradition according to which Moses, with whom the Rosicrucians claim a certain connection, communicated his knowledge to certain chosen members of his nation. Perhaps we ought to consider the Essenes and the Therapeutae of the earliest Christian times, as bearers of the Mosaic [Page 9] tradition, while the depositaries of the Egyptian temple secrets must be looked for in the Neo-Platonists, especially Jamblichus
http://www.theosophical.ca/TheRosicruciansAK.html
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Nov 3 2007, 12:15 AM)
I'll repeat my question, then.
What connection is there between the Rosicrucians and the ancient Egyptians?
What connection is there between the Rosicrucians and the ancient Egyptians?
I'm working on it. These things take time, and when discussing things ancient, my guess is that one will have to trace the roots of Rosicrucianism
quite a bit farther back to find its connection to the mystery schools and ancient rituals.
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Nov 3 2007, 12:15 AM)
Nowhere in the extant writings of the actual fraternity do they mention Egypt (though they go at lengths to suggest the their founder Christian Rosenkreutz went to several other Middle Eastern countries to learn old knowledges), or the implied connection of cannibalism.
Several sources indicate that 'Christian Rosenkreutz' was actually Francis Bacon, writing under a pseudonym deliberately evocative (Red Cross) of the Knights Templar.
Many believe that the Rosicrucians are a continuation/extension of the Knights Templar, who themselves were practitioners of sacred geometry dating back to Egypt:
http://www.levity.com/alchemy/early_rc.html
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http://heritage.scotsman.com/timelines.cfm...amp;id=41752005
Whilst in Jerusalem, in addition to fighting and protecting pilgrims, the knights also excavated under the Temple of Solomon. In the 19th century the Palestine Exploration Fund re-excavated these tunnels and found various Templar items.
Evidence of digging has led to many theories of what they found - the most populist version being that they located the Ark of the Covenant. Champions of this theory point to the pillar at the Templar Cathedral at Chartres, which depicts the Ark in transport. Less prosaic interpretations suggest they found scriptural scrolls, treatises on sacred geometry and details of ancient Judaic-Egyptian wisdom.
Whilst in Jerusalem, in addition to fighting and protecting pilgrims, the knights also excavated under the Temple of Solomon. In the 19th century the Palestine Exploration Fund re-excavated these tunnels and found various Templar items.
Evidence of digging has led to many theories of what they found - the most populist version being that they located the Ark of the Covenant. Champions of this theory point to the pillar at the Templar Cathedral at Chartres, which depicts the Ark in transport. Less prosaic interpretations suggest they found scriptural scrolls, treatises on sacred geometry and details of ancient Judaic-Egyptian wisdom.
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http://students.washington.edu/aphia/africanhistory.htm
During the Middle Ages there arose a Christian order of warrior monks known as the Knights Templar. Much has been written of the Templars: their involvement in the Crusades, their supposed overwhelming power (real or imaginary, benevolent or malevolent), accusations of occultism and of the mystery of their disappearance. Whatever the actual truth concerning the Templars, a great deal of Enlightenment masons in Europe traced descent, either directly or indirectly, to the Knights Templar. Why? Well a great deal of it may have to do with geometry, or more aptly put, "sacred geometry." This is the notion that certain geometric properties hold sacred or divine qualities. Thus buildings may be built to a certain geometric precision, to face certain directions, etc. The Knights Templar were believed to be famous for this. Many cathedrals in Europe bearing such sacred geometry have been attributed to them. Whether the Templars actually built them is unknown and not the focus of this discussion; what is important is that Enlightenment masons of Europe believed so. Pictured above is a seal of the legendary and mysterious Knights Templar. But why would these Enlightenment figures connect the Templars with Egypt? That takes us even back before the Templars existed: to tales of Hebrew kings, temples and Phoenician architects.
King Solomon's Temple is probably one of the most important symbols in freemasonry. One of the reasons for its importance is the reputed elements of sacred geometry, which permeated the temple. The geometric precision, which allowed the temple to permit only certain amounts of light in at certain times of the day, earned it a famed reputation. Though the existence of such a temple is debatable, once again it is more so the belief in its existence and power that concerns this discussion. It was believed by many that the Knights Templar were trying to emulate this very type of sacred geometry in the Christian structures reputedly (through legend) built by them. But many Enlightenment freemasons may have known that the Hebrew temple of King Solomon was not built by Hebrews according to the folklore. In fact it was attributed to none other than Phoenicians. And with the Phoenicians, we get a little closer to the puzzle. The Phoenician builder reputed to be in charge of the building of King Solomon's Temple is Hiram Abiff. Hiram Abiff's attention to sacred geometry, if he was even a real figure, would have come about as a result of Phoenician and not Hebrew deities and beliefs. And here is where we have an interesting link, for many a Phoenician deity can be traced back to Egypt. Following the expulsion of the Asiatic Hyksos invaders, Egypt becomes for the first time a type of Empire. And she conquers in the direction of the origin of her one-time invaders, towards Western Asia and Phoenicia. There are reports of Egyptian rulers capturing and bringing back Phoenician princes to indoctrinate them in Egyptian beliefs so as to make vassals of their kingdoms. The Phoenicians become very acquainted with a host of Egyptian gods who either blend in or at times even supplant their own. Pictured here is the Phoenician deity Baal. His demeanor and headdress are specifically Egyptian. Thus Hiram Abiff's deities and particular ceremonial rituals to sacred geometry and architecture would not have been Hebrew or truly Phoenician, but rather of Egyptian origin. Once again, Solomon's Temple and Hiram Abiff's existence cannot be proven historically. But folklore and mythos may tell us a great deal about certain other truths, particularly the linking of sacred geometry with Egypt
During the Middle Ages there arose a Christian order of warrior monks known as the Knights Templar. Much has been written of the Templars: their involvement in the Crusades, their supposed overwhelming power (real or imaginary, benevolent or malevolent), accusations of occultism and of the mystery of their disappearance. Whatever the actual truth concerning the Templars, a great deal of Enlightenment masons in Europe traced descent, either directly or indirectly, to the Knights Templar. Why? Well a great deal of it may have to do with geometry, or more aptly put, "sacred geometry." This is the notion that certain geometric properties hold sacred or divine qualities. Thus buildings may be built to a certain geometric precision, to face certain directions, etc. The Knights Templar were believed to be famous for this. Many cathedrals in Europe bearing such sacred geometry have been attributed to them. Whether the Templars actually built them is unknown and not the focus of this discussion; what is important is that Enlightenment masons of Europe believed so. Pictured above is a seal of the legendary and mysterious Knights Templar. But why would these Enlightenment figures connect the Templars with Egypt? That takes us even back before the Templars existed: to tales of Hebrew kings, temples and Phoenician architects.
King Solomon's Temple is probably one of the most important symbols in freemasonry. One of the reasons for its importance is the reputed elements of sacred geometry, which permeated the temple. The geometric precision, which allowed the temple to permit only certain amounts of light in at certain times of the day, earned it a famed reputation. Though the existence of such a temple is debatable, once again it is more so the belief in its existence and power that concerns this discussion. It was believed by many that the Knights Templar were trying to emulate this very type of sacred geometry in the Christian structures reputedly (through legend) built by them. But many Enlightenment freemasons may have known that the Hebrew temple of King Solomon was not built by Hebrews according to the folklore. In fact it was attributed to none other than Phoenicians. And with the Phoenicians, we get a little closer to the puzzle. The Phoenician builder reputed to be in charge of the building of King Solomon's Temple is Hiram Abiff. Hiram Abiff's attention to sacred geometry, if he was even a real figure, would have come about as a result of Phoenician and not Hebrew deities and beliefs. And here is where we have an interesting link, for many a Phoenician deity can be traced back to Egypt. Following the expulsion of the Asiatic Hyksos invaders, Egypt becomes for the first time a type of Empire. And she conquers in the direction of the origin of her one-time invaders, towards Western Asia and Phoenicia. There are reports of Egyptian rulers capturing and bringing back Phoenician princes to indoctrinate them in Egyptian beliefs so as to make vassals of their kingdoms. The Phoenicians become very acquainted with a host of Egyptian gods who either blend in or at times even supplant their own. Pictured here is the Phoenician deity Baal. His demeanor and headdress are specifically Egyptian. Thus Hiram Abiff's deities and particular ceremonial rituals to sacred geometry and architecture would not have been Hebrew or truly Phoenician, but rather of Egyptian origin. Once again, Solomon's Temple and Hiram Abiff's existence cannot be proven historically. But folklore and mythos may tell us a great deal about certain other truths, particularly the linking of sacred geometry with Egypt
http://www.geocities.com/newworldorder_the...crucianism.html
QUOTE (thunkerdrone @ Nov 3 2007, 10:37 AM)
I'm working on it. These things take time, and when discussing things ancient, my guess is that one will have to trace the roots of Rosicrucianism
quite a bit farther back to find its connection to the mystery schools and ancient rituals.
quite a bit farther back to find its connection to the mystery schools and ancient rituals.
There are conenctions, but they're limited. Even though the RC brothers were explicitly christian -- their motto was Iesus mihi omnia -- but they were also deeply Hermetic.
The only problem with that is that Hermes Trismegestus' writings aren't Ancient Egyptian. They're a combination of texts from the Hellenic period to the Renaissance, and they've been known as being that recent since Causabon, who was writing before the RC brothers formed.
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Several sources indicate that 'Christian Rosenkreutz' was actually Francis Bacon, writing under a pseudonym deliberately evocative (Red Cross) of the Knights Templar.
This is almost certainly false. First of all, the original writing of the RC brothers are usually attributed to Johann Vanlentin Andreae, a Lutheran pastor. And although the work of John Dee was more important, Bacon was influential. However, because the original RC brothers books were written in and published in Germany, and Bacon never went to Germany and he probably didn't speak German, Bacons's authorship is unlikely.
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Many believe that the Rosicrucians are a continuation/extension of the Knights Templar, who themselves were practitioners of sacred geometry dating back to Egypt:
It may be popular, but there's not much reason to think so. About the best claim anybody's made is the fact they use a red cross in their symbology... But then again, the cross of St George (a red cross on a white field) was also used by several countries (England being the most prominent) and the Lutherans. The real Rosicrucians had strong ties to the English court and German protestantism, and never once mention the Templars.
Again, thunker, if you're going to go throwing historic names with real, studied history and impact, I can only implore you to research that history instead of spreading around rumours and deliberate lies posted on the internet. I mean, the Templars and the Rosicrucians had their moments and ended. As romantic as it would be for them to survive in secret, they didn't.
When you read things by groups like the Freemasons or other silly organizations founded or (as they usually claim, "re-founded" or "re-structured") in the last century and a half, what you're reading is their deliberately mystified, deliberately falsified history to make it seem like that they have a esoteric provenance.
You'll notice, thunker, that I tend to keep my comments about the historical aspects of this thread, because I can counter some of the more outlandish claims that you make about the past.
--Jaylemurph
Further evidence of how closely the whole Harley Davidson/ Hells Angels biker scene is linked to the military.
check out the Harley Davidson Military Sales Program (discount deliveries of Harley Davidson motorcycles for overseas armed services personnel)
Harley Davidson got its biggest growth as a company with military war contracts.
check out the Harley Davidson Military Sales Program (discount deliveries of Harley Davidson motorcycles for overseas armed services personnel)
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Featured in this website is the Special Military Pricing for Harley Davidson Military Sales Program
the AAFES/NEXCOM program was authorized by the U.S. Congress in the mid-1960's. They make sure you are able to purchase a Harley Davidson , wherever you are stationed overseas, at a fair price, with convenience, choice, and exceptional service.
<a href="http://www.paulsmilitarysales.com/harleyda...itarysales1.htm" target="_blank">http://www.paulsmilitarysales.com/harleyda...itarysales1.htm</a>
the AAFES/NEXCOM program was authorized by the U.S. Congress in the mid-1960's. They make sure you are able to purchase a Harley Davidson , wherever you are stationed overseas, at a fair price, with convenience, choice, and exceptional service.
<a href="http://www.paulsmilitarysales.com/harleyda...itarysales1.htm" target="_blank">http://www.paulsmilitarysales.com/harleyda...itarysales1.htm</a>
Harley Davidson got its biggest growth as a company with military war contracts.
watch this Youtube video on Illuminati symbolism in Kubrick's film Eyes Wide Shut (Kubrick died mysteriously four days after presenting the first cut of the
film to Warner Bros.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtZLPwWt_IM
check out this evidence of ritual abuse , namely the ritual abuse and murder case of
catholic clergyman Gerald Robinson:
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murd...rgy2/index.html
film to Warner Bros.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtZLPwWt_IM
check out this evidence of ritual abuse , namely the ritual abuse and murder case of
catholic clergyman Gerald Robinson:
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murd...rgy2/index.html
QUOTE (thunkerdrone @ Oct 11 2007, 11:20 PM)
<a href="http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&a...p;z=10&om=1" target="_blank">http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&a...p;z=10&om=1</a>
Sturgis, South Dakota Motorcycle Rally (annually attracts over 500,000 bikers to Rapid City area the first week of August)
500,000 Whoa...now thats one Hell of a gathering!
some startling information on the occult, Mick Jagger etc. here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqd4BPfM3Qc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqd4BPfM3Qc
i heard something about the CIA being responsible for spreading herion into black nieghborhoods. i seen this thing on tv about it. this former CIA agent said he knew for a fact that the CIA was responsible for buying herion from south american and mexican drug lords and putting them in black communities. with the way america treats minorities i can almost believe it.
QUOTE (Sunni @ May 7 2007, 08:26 PM)
Interesting too, Look up enough INFORMATION ON ERIC HARRIS (columbine massacre) and you will notice the comparison's between Harris's Father, and BTK. Harris father was also involved in the same order, same programs, around the same time period. Immediately after the massacre the couple (Eric's parents) conveniently left country without answering to authority's.
Just thought i'd put in my two cents....
Just thought i'd put in my two cents....
that is very interesting, can you provide us a link for some of that information? (especially the comparisons to BTK)
CIA Torture Jet wrecks with 4 Tons of COCAINE
This Florida based Gulfstream II jet aircraft # N987SA crash landed on September 24, 2007 after it ran out of fuel over Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula it had a cargo of several tons of Cocaine on board now documents have turned up on both sides of the Atlantic that link this Cocaine Smuggling Gulfstream II jet aircraft # N987SA that crashed in Mexico to the CIA who used it on at least 3 rendition flights from Europe and the USA to Guantanamo's infamous torture chambers between 2003 to 2005.
video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oszATUJ4IRE.../608/933/420107
complete story and more videos:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/.../608/933/420107
This Florida based Gulfstream II jet aircraft # N987SA crash landed on September 24, 2007 after it ran out of fuel over Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula it had a cargo of several tons of Cocaine on board now documents have turned up on both sides of the Atlantic that link this Cocaine Smuggling Gulfstream II jet aircraft # N987SA that crashed in Mexico to the CIA who used it on at least 3 rendition flights from Europe and the USA to Guantanamo's infamous torture chambers between 2003 to 2005.
video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oszATUJ4IRE.../608/933/420107
complete story and more videos:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/.../608/933/420107
i read 99% of everything here.. good info and bound to rattle a few cages.. hopefully..
JayleMurph..
i ask you please to clarify your stance on the matter if you would be so kind..
how much does the molochian hand pay you to troll here, and do they pay in cash or gold bullion?
just messin' with ya mate, but i AM wondering why you (who seems to be a debunker?) would even go so far as picking up the trail of "Skull n Bones/CIA/Air America/Hells Angels" and taking it to secret society land (rosicrucians >> egyptology) ??
JayleMurph..
i ask you please to clarify your stance on the matter if you would be so kind..
how much does the molochian hand pay you to troll here, and do they pay in cash or gold bullion?
just messin' with ya mate, but i AM wondering why you (who seems to be a debunker?) would even go so far as picking up the trail of "Skull n Bones/CIA/Air America/Hells Angels" and taking it to secret society land (rosicrucians >> egyptology) ??
QUOTE (unit @ Dec 16 2007, 05:39 AM)
i read 99% of everything here.. good info and bound to rattle a few cages.. hopefully..
JayleMurph..
i ask you please to clarify your stance on the matter if you would be so kind..
how much does the molochian hand pay you to troll here, and do they pay in cash or gold bullion?
just messin' with ya mate, but i AM wondering why you (who seems to be a debunker?) would even go so far as picking up the trail of "Skull n Bones/CIA/Air America/Hells Angels" and taking it to secret society land (rosicrucians >> egyptology) ??
JayleMurph..
i ask you please to clarify your stance on the matter if you would be so kind..
how much does the molochian hand pay you to troll here, and do they pay in cash or gold bullion?
just messin' with ya mate, but i AM wondering why you (who seems to be a debunker?) would even go so far as picking up the trail of "Skull n Bones/CIA/Air America/Hells Angels" and taking it to secret society land (rosicrucians >> egyptology) ??
I didn't. Thunker is a rampant cut-and-paster, and at some point he posted something outlandish that linked them. There is no link between the real Rosicrucians and Egypt. But Thunker isn't actually interested in the real Rosicrucians, so it's moot.
--Jaylemurph
i see.. it's just that i come across your posts quite often. you display a sound knowledge of the occult but you come off as a debunker? (why bother gathering all that info just to stomp on it?)
*edit*
i forgot.. that rosicrucian symbol with the outstretched wings.. i have seen this in Egyptian photos etc before. is this worth linking the two? ..i don't really follow rosicrucianism, to me it's about as interesting as scientology
*edit*
i forgot.. that rosicrucian symbol with the outstretched wings.. i have seen this in Egyptian photos etc before. is this worth linking the two? ..i don't really follow rosicrucianism, to me it's about as interesting as scientology
QUOTE (unit @ Dec 17 2007, 04:33 PM)
i see.. it's just that i come across your posts quite often. you display a sound knowledge of the occult but you come off as a debunker? (why bother gathering all that info just to stomp on it?)
*edit*
i forgot.. that rosicrucian symbol with the outstretched wings.. i have seen this in Egyptian photos etc before. is this worth linking the two? ..i don't really follow rosicrucianism, to me it's about as interesting as scientology :P
*edit*
i forgot.. that rosicrucian symbol with the outstretched wings.. i have seen this in Egyptian photos etc before. is this worth linking the two? ..i don't really follow rosicrucianism, to me it's about as interesting as scientology :P
I'm a historian, usually dealing with texts and culture of the 16th and 17th Century, which was a hey-day for alchemy and hermeticism and the birth of modern science. No one of which was separated from politics, the way it is now. And it's all connected. John Dee was a first rate mathematician, but he was also an alchemist and official ambassador for Elizabeth I, and no one of those can be understood without the other.
Unfortunately, dilettantes that CTers are, they seldom bother to a) actually correctly learn about the period occultism they parrot off various websites, and think things like the Rosicrucians are alive and well or B) learn the context within which they operated.
For instance, the Rosicrucians were a group of English- and hermetically-influenced German Protestants with specific religio-political aims expressed in allegory. With the fall of their political scion, the Elector Palantine Frederick, and the outbreak of the Thirty Years War in their heartland, they disbanded (in as much as they ever actually did anything but write hopeful letters to themselves).
Now, if you didn't know who they were, where they were from and what they were doing, you wouldn't know the spoke in allegory. You might think they had cohesive plans for a New World Order and /meant/ it. But no, people here get a few naked facts and go to town in looking for them being around today.
Although the whole Egyptian thing is still beyond me.
--Jaylemurph
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I'm a historian, usually dealing with texts and culture of the 16th and 17th Century, which was a hey-day for alchemy and hermeticism and the birth of modern science.
no argument there.. and kudo's on the term "modern' science
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No one of which was separated from politics, the way it is now.
hmm. yeah they seem to be seperate alright, but everything is under the thumb of politics in these times..? say there was a scientific discovery made which could revolutionise the world in 3 days.. do you think we will hear about it? ..i don't even think such research is possible unless the government of the day is funding and then monitering it?
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And it's all connected.
i love that sentance, use it often and highly recommed it
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John Dee was a first rate mathematician, but he was also an alchemist and official ambassador for Elizabeth I, and no one of those can be understood without the other.
mathematician but ..this seems like you are casting a negative on that..? (him being an alchemist)
like if i was going to say Santa is a nice guy who brings us presents, but....
i'm sorry which can't be understood without the other? maths, alchemy or being an ambassor or all the above? (bare with me please)
QUOTE
Unfortunately, dilettantes that CTers are, they seldom bother to a) actually correctly learn about the period occultism they parrot off various websites, and think things like the Rosicrucians are alive and well or 
learn the context within which they operated.
learn the context within which they operated.i will have to look up the word 'dilettante' but i think i get the jist of it
Whassat you say? the Rosicrucian order is no more? ..i got a magazine here with their advertisements in it?? (they want me to come and unlock my human potential and all that jazz, i already sent them my life savings and my pin number, please don't tell me they're not the original RC movement? hehe)
i got this nagging feeling in the back of my head that a group (order of the golden dawn maybe?) something like that is connected to RC.. maybe i read it in a book long ago or something?
if you're mentioning 'period occultism' it might be worth (my) alluding to the possibility that certain movements would have been part of larger movements, which may in turn have been part of larger movements still, if you get where i'm going with that.. what are your thoughts on HPB for example?
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For instance, the Rosicrucians were a group of English- and hermetically-influenced German Protestants with specific religio-political aims expressed in allegory.
well i know a little about them, but i am no historian put it that way.. i would defer to things you say there i guess.. but let me run something by you in a sec'
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With the fall of their political scion, the Elector Palantine Frederick,
the way you describe this, it comes across as the RC group was like a 'pet project' or 'brainchild/thinktank' of said Palantine Frederick, or PF was at least a 'sympathizer' of the RC movement... i would need some more info about who he was.. i suppose i could google it or wiki but i think that is an easy way to get fed a load of bullsh*t, i'm not terribly interested in them, so can survive without any further info..
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and the outbreak of the Thirty Years War in their heartland, they disbanded (in as much as they ever actually did anything but write hopeful letters to themselves).
haha.. ok sounds like things didn't go so well for them..?
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Now, if you didn't know who they were, where they were from and what they were doing, you wouldn't know the spoke in allegory. You might think they had cohesive plans for a New World Order and /meant/ it.
riiight..? so what you're saying is.. they walked like ducks, quacked like ducks.. but were not ducks? because this is how it comes across.. trees are known by fruit, even if the fruit is just hopefull letters to eachother?
(how do i say this?) umm.. if they're sitting around talking about allegorical things that can easily be construed as NWO type objectives.. how exactly do you consider them harmless?
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But no, people here get a few naked facts and go to town in looking for them being around today.
well, like i said, they're advertising in magazines now.. i can maybe scan the add and upload it if you don't believe me?
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Although the whole Egyptian thing is still beyond me.
beyond most of us it seems
but there is definantly more to that story than what 'they' are telling us..ok here's me leetle thing i wanna run by you..
you've described this RC mob well enough to me, it sounds like exactly the same as other NWO offshoot/tangient/subgroups.. you mention they have a political scion (i am trying to get to the bottom of their relationship to one another, please post some info on that if you return?) you say they speak in allegory (don't they all) and you say they were talking about NWO stuff (but did not mean it?) ..all the hallmarks are there?
anyway was good to get to see this side of you.. now when i see you(r posts) in future i won't be chuckling to myself and calling you a 'grump'
*edit*
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QUOTE (unit @ Dec 17 2007, 07:24 PM)
no argument there.. and kudo's on the term "modern' science
hmm. yeah they seem to be seperate alright, but everything is under the thumb of politics in these times..? say there was a scientific discovery made which could revolutionise the world in 3 days.. do you think we will hear about it? ..i don't even think such research is possible unless the government of the day is funding and then monitering it?
i love that sentance, use it often and highly recommed it
mathematician but ..this seems like you are casting a negative on that..? (him being an alchemist)
like if i was going to say Santa is a nice guy who brings us presents, but....
i'm sorry which can't be understood without the other? maths, alchemy or being an ambassor or all the above? (bare with me please)
i will have to look up the word 'dilettante' but i think i get the jist of it
Whassat you say? the Rosicrucian order is no more? ..i got a magazine here with their advertisements in it?? (they want me to come and unlock my human potential and all that jazz, i already sent them my life savings and my pin number, please don't tell me they're not the original RC movement? hehe)
i got this nagging feeling in the back of my head that a group (order of the golden dawn maybe?) something like that is connected to RC.. maybe i read it in a book long ago or something?
if you're mentioning 'period occultism' it might be worth (my) alluding to the possibility that certain movements would have been part of larger movements, which may in turn have been part of larger movements still, if you get where i'm going with that.. what are your thoughts on HPB for example?
well i know a little about them, but i am no historian put it that way.. i would defer to things you say there i guess.. but let me run something by you in a sec'
the way you describe this, it comes across as the RC group was like a 'pet project' or 'brainchild/thinktank' of said Palantine Frederick, or PF was at least a 'sympathizer' of the RC movement... i would need some more info about who he was.. i suppose i could google it or wiki but i think that is an easy way to get fed a load of bullsh*t, i'm not terribly interested in them, so can survive without any further info..
haha.. ok sounds like things didn't go so well for them..?
riiight..? so what you're saying is.. they walked like ducks, quacked like ducks.. but were not ducks? because this is how it comes across.. trees are known by fruit, even if the fruit is just hopefull letters to eachother?
(how do i say this?) umm.. if they're sitting around talking about allegorical things that can easily be construed as NWO type objectives.. how exactly do you consider them harmless?
well, like i said, they're advertising in magazines now.. i can maybe scan the add and upload it if you don't believe me?
beyond most of us it seems but there is definantly more to that story than what 'they' are telling us..
ok here's me leetle thing i wanna run by you..
you've described this RC mob well enough to me, it sounds like exactly the same as other NWO offshoot/tangient/subgroups.. you mention they have a political scion (i am trying to get to the bottom of their relationship to one another, please post some info on that if you return?) you say they speak in allegory (don't they all) and you say they were talking about NWO stuff (but did not mean it?) ..all the hallmarks are there?
anyway was good to get to see this side of you.. now when i see you(r posts) in future i won't be chuckling to myself and calling you a 'grump'
*edit*
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this damn add has been chasing me around all morning
hmm. yeah they seem to be seperate alright, but everything is under the thumb of politics in these times..? say there was a scientific discovery made which could revolutionise the world in 3 days.. do you think we will hear about it? ..i don't even think such research is possible unless the government of the day is funding and then monitering it?
i love that sentance, use it often and highly recommed it
mathematician but ..this seems like you are casting a negative on that..? (him being an alchemist)
like if i was going to say Santa is a nice guy who brings us presents, but....
i'm sorry which can't be understood without the other? maths, alchemy or being an ambassor or all the above? (bare with me please)
i will have to look up the word 'dilettante' but i think i get the jist of it
Whassat you say? the Rosicrucian order is no more? ..i got a magazine here with their advertisements in it?? (they want me to come and unlock my human potential and all that jazz, i already sent them my life savings and my pin number, please don't tell me they're not the original RC movement? hehe)
i got this nagging feeling in the back of my head that a group (order of the golden dawn maybe?) something like that is connected to RC.. maybe i read it in a book long ago or something?
if you're mentioning 'period occultism' it might be worth (my) alluding to the possibility that certain movements would have been part of larger movements, which may in turn have been part of larger movements still, if you get where i'm going with that.. what are your thoughts on HPB for example?
well i know a little about them, but i am no historian put it that way.. i would defer to things you say there i guess.. but let me run something by you in a sec'
the way you describe this, it comes across as the RC group was like a 'pet project' or 'brainchild/thinktank' of said Palantine Frederick, or PF was at least a 'sympathizer' of the RC movement... i would need some more info about who he was.. i suppose i could google it or wiki but i think that is an easy way to get fed a load of bullsh*t, i'm not terribly interested in them, so can survive without any further info..
haha.. ok sounds like things didn't go so well for them..?
riiight..? so what you're saying is.. they walked like ducks, quacked like ducks.. but were not ducks? because this is how it comes across.. trees are known by fruit, even if the fruit is just hopefull letters to eachother?
(how do i say this?) umm.. if they're sitting around talking about allegorical things that can easily be construed as NWO type objectives.. how exactly do you consider them harmless?
well, like i said, they're advertising in magazines now.. i can maybe scan the add and upload it if you don't believe me?
beyond most of us it seems
but there is definantly more to that story than what 'they' are telling us..ok here's me leetle thing i wanna run by you..
you've described this RC mob well enough to me, it sounds like exactly the same as other NWO offshoot/tangient/subgroups.. you mention they have a political scion (i am trying to get to the bottom of their relationship to one another, please post some info on that if you return?) you say they speak in allegory (don't they all) and you say they were talking about NWO stuff (but did not mean it?) ..all the hallmarks are there?
anyway was good to get to see this side of you.. now when i see you(r posts) in future i won't be chuckling to myself and calling you a 'grump'
*edit*
Exciting Rubberwear
Super Soft Moulded Latexwear. Dare to wear. Online & Sydney Shop.
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this damn add has been chasing me around all morning
Francis Yates wrote a book towards the end of her life called The Rosicrucian Enlightenment. She is one of the foremost historians on movements of thought, ever, and she expounds on all this at great length. I'm not going to do better than she.
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Dec 17 2007, 06:40 PM)
Although the whole Egyptian thing is still beyond me.
--Jaylemurph
--Jaylemurph
you don't think it significant that the Rosicrucians are into sacred geometry and happen to run a museum of Egyptology?
QUOTE (thunkerdrone @ Dec 21 2007, 09:33 AM)
you don't think it significant that the Rosicrucians are into sacred geometry and happen to run a museum of Egyptology?
Well, as I keep pointing out, the /real/ Rosicrucians haven't done anything at all since the mid 1620s.
The panto bad guy version you keep insisting on or the odd new version set up by the catholics (which may be the same thing as yours, I don't know) may well a museum, but any connection between the real Rosicrucians and Egypt is passing, at best.
--Jaylemurph
Aleister Crowley is famous for having conducted a satanic ritual in the Pyramid of Giza.
check out this link with info on Aleister Crowley's involvement with the Rosicrucians:
http://tinyurl.com/3ybft2
check out this link with info on Aleister Crowley's involvement with the Rosicrucians:
http://tinyurl.com/3ybft2
QUOTE (thunkerdrone @ Dec 22 2007, 12:09 AM)
Aleister Crowley is famous for having conducted a satanic ritual in the Pyramid of Giza.
check out this link with info on Aleister Crowley's involvement with the Rosicrucians:
http://tinyurl.com/3ybft2
check out this link with info on Aleister Crowley's involvement with the Rosicrucians:
http://tinyurl.com/3ybft2
Don't bother to learn anything about the real history these groups, thunker. That way, you can indulge your fantasies completely and not be troubled with reality.
--Jaylemurph
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Dec 22 2007, 11:41 AM)
Don't bother to learn anything about the real history these groups, thunker. That way, you can indulge your fantasies completely and not be troubled with reality.
--Jaylemurph
--Jaylemurph
Forum guidelines
Please respect the opinions of others. The conspiracy forum covers some sensitive and controversial areas and it is important that participants avoid uncivil behaviour. This means no flaming, no trolling, no flamebaiting and no personal attacks against other members.
Please try to keep an open mind, there is little point in posting in this section if you are unwilling to consider any opposing viewpoints. If you are unable to discuss issues without becoming rude and offensive towards anyone who does not share your opinions or beliefs then the conspiracy forum is not for you
QUOTE (thunkerdrone @ Dec 22 2007, 11:55 AM)
Forum guidelines
Please respect the opinions of others. The conspiracy forum covers some sensitive and controversial areas and it is important that participants avoid uncivil behaviour. This means no flaming, no trolling, no flamebaiting and no personal attacks against other members.
Please try to keep an open mind, there is little point in posting in this section if you are unwilling to consider any opposing viewpoints. If you are unable to discuss issues without becoming rude and offensive towards anyone who does not share your opinions or beliefs then the conspiracy forum is not for you
Please respect the opinions of others. The conspiracy forum covers some sensitive and controversial areas and it is important that participants avoid uncivil behaviour. This means no flaming, no trolling, no flamebaiting and no personal attacks against other members.
Please try to keep an open mind, there is little point in posting in this section if you are unwilling to consider any opposing viewpoints. If you are unable to discuss issues without becoming rude and offensive towards anyone who does not share your opinions or beliefs then the conspiracy forum is not for you
It seems you just don't want to see anyone's point of view but your own.
QUOTE (thunkerdrone @ Dec 22 2007, 12:55 PM)
Forum guidelines
Please respect the opinions of others. The conspiracy forum covers some sensitive and controversial areas and it is important that participants avoid uncivil behaviour. This means no flaming, no trolling, no flamebaiting and no personal attacks against other members.
Please try to keep an open mind, there is little point in posting in this section if you are unwilling to consider any opposing viewpoints. If you are unable to discuss issues without becoming rude and offensive towards anyone who does not share your opinions or beliefs then the conspiracy forum is not for you
Please respect the opinions of others. The conspiracy forum covers some sensitive and controversial areas and it is important that participants avoid uncivil behaviour. This means no flaming, no trolling, no flamebaiting and no personal attacks against other members.
Please try to keep an open mind, there is little point in posting in this section if you are unwilling to consider any opposing viewpoints. If you are unable to discuss issues without becoming rude and offensive towards anyone who does not share your opinions or beliefs then the conspiracy forum is not for you
I'll make you a deal, thunker: don't ask me for opinions and I won't give them. It does exactly the same thing I said earlier: it protects you from dealing with any perspective on reality other than your own.
--Jaylemurph
see this video of a University of Florida student
ATTACKED BY POLICE AND TAZED FOR ASKING JOHN KERRY A QUESTION ABOUT SKULL AND BONES.
John Kerry is at the University of Florida giving a speech.
A student is given permission to ask a question, is provided a microphone, and is finished asking his questions.
Kerry wants to answer the questions , but the police attack the student and tazer him with electroshock as soon as he mentions Skull and Bones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnAGjmnfqik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v2U1PVHQ5A
check out this audio clip interview of author on satanism, William H. Kennedy
A Closer Look hosted by Michael Corbin.
WHK discusses the tasering of Andrew Meyer at Uof F and the nature of the secret society which fired electricity into this innocent man who made the mistake of asking John Kerry an unpopular question.
To Listen click here
http://www.williamhkennedy.com/acl92007.mp3
ATTACKED BY POLICE AND TAZED FOR ASKING JOHN KERRY A QUESTION ABOUT SKULL AND BONES.
John Kerry is at the University of Florida giving a speech.
A student is given permission to ask a question, is provided a microphone, and is finished asking his questions.
Kerry wants to answer the questions , but the police attack the student and tazer him with electroshock as soon as he mentions Skull and Bones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnAGjmnfqik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v2U1PVHQ5A
check out this audio clip interview of author on satanism, William H. Kennedy
A Closer Look hosted by Michael Corbin.
WHK discusses the tasering of Andrew Meyer at Uof F and the nature of the secret society which fired electricity into this innocent man who made the mistake of asking John Kerry an unpopular question.
To Listen click here
http://www.williamhkennedy.com/acl92007.mp3
If a student was tasered for asking a question he was invited to ask why haven't they tracked your isp's to your addresses and tasered you for your blatant disrespect and blah blah blah. yeah skull and bones and the other societies exist (common knowledge) and but, seriously in with the CIA?. plausible yeah but i don't think it is fact. also satanism???does every organization that performs rituals HAVE to be a satanist one??also....i was under the impression that it was about money making anyway...but alas imma girl couldn't tell you
QUOTE (ravergirl @ Dec 26 2007, 02:29 PM)
. yeah skull and bones and the other societies exist (common knowledge) and but, seriously in with the CIA?. plausible yeah but i don't think it is fact.
there have been entire books written on the Skull and Bones and its historical connection to the CIA. There was even a recent
major motion picture starring Matt Damon and Angelina Jolie, directed by Robert Deniro, about the formation of the OSS/CIA involving Skull and Bones.
called The Good Shepherd .
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0343737/
It even has a scene on Deer Island, the Thousand Islands retreat owned by Skull and Bones in the St. Lawrence Seaway.
QUOTE (ravergirl @ Dec 26 2007, 02:29 PM)
If a student was tasered for asking a question he was invited to ask why haven't they tracked your isp's to your addresses and tasered you for your blatant disrespect and blah blah blah. yeah skull and bones and the other societies exist (common knowledge) and but, seriously in with the CIA?. plausible yeah but i don't think it is fact. also satanism???does every organization that performs rituals HAVE to be a satanist one??also....i was under the impression that it was about money making anyway...but alas imma girl couldn't tell you
In my experience, most people who use the term "satanist" haven't even bothered to find out what the church of satan actually preaches, or what their beliefs are. They certainly don't include drinking blood or eating flesh (as I recall, those are christian practices). It's a catch-all for them for boogey-men and foreigners. Fundamenalist christians (who often think the world is ending because people don't all believe they same thing they do) usually aren't a source for unbiased views on satanism.
I'm not specifically tarring thunker with this brush -- sometimes he seems to know about the church of satan, sometime he treats them like OMG Booger Man! people.
--Jaylemurph
Here is a videotape of the aftermath of the tazer arrest at U of Florida. You can tell he is really scared that something might happen to him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhGnGRO2gr0...feature=related
here it is, set to music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkMkGOpAF4s...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhGnGRO2gr0...feature=related
here it is, set to music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkMkGOpAF4s...feature=related
nteresting trivia regarding masks and mormons:
Charles Manson stayed at the Spahn Ranch, an old movie set, with his gang of murderers.
The Spahn ranch was the site for filmings of the Lone Ranger, an archetype for the modern CIA type vigilante, operating outside of the legal system (other archetypes of the masked vigilante include Spiderman, etc.)
Spahn Ranch was also the set of Duel in the Sun, directed by David
Selznick, who also directed the original King Kong movie starring Fay Ray as damsel in distress, who was a Mormon.
Howard Hughes, producer and director of the 1930 film Hells' Angels,
was a frequent visitor to the adjacent Krupp Ranch in San Fernando valley , and knew the owner of Spahn Ranch (portions of Hell' Angels were filmed nearby)
Several Hell's Angels themed biker flicks were shot at Spahn Ranch in the 1960's, including 'Angels From Hell' and 'Hells Angels '69' . and 'Angel's Wild Women'.
-The Hells Angels fomented violence and disrupted the antiwar movement at the Stones 'Summer of Love' Altamont Music Festival in California
-(Altamont Raceway is not far from Mount Diablo and Bohemian Grove, and Spahn Ranch is just 300 miles from Bohemian Grove
interesting site on 'Operation Chaos' , the CIA's secret operation to successfully destroy the peace movement:
http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%...on%20Chaos.html
or for more information just Google 'operation chaos'
Charles Manson stayed at the Spahn Ranch, an old movie set, with his gang of murderers.
The Spahn ranch was the site for filmings of the Lone Ranger, an archetype for the modern CIA type vigilante, operating outside of the legal system (other archetypes of the masked vigilante include Spiderman, etc.)
Spahn Ranch was also the set of Duel in the Sun, directed by David
Selznick, who also directed the original King Kong movie starring Fay Ray as damsel in distress, who was a Mormon.
Howard Hughes, producer and director of the 1930 film Hells' Angels,
was a frequent visitor to the adjacent Krupp Ranch in San Fernando valley , and knew the owner of Spahn Ranch (portions of Hell' Angels were filmed nearby)
Several Hell's Angels themed biker flicks were shot at Spahn Ranch in the 1960's, including 'Angels From Hell' and 'Hells Angels '69' . and 'Angel's Wild Women'.
-The Hells Angels fomented violence and disrupted the antiwar movement at the Stones 'Summer of Love' Altamont Music Festival in California
-(Altamont Raceway is not far from Mount Diablo and Bohemian Grove, and Spahn Ranch is just 300 miles from Bohemian Grove
interesting site on 'Operation Chaos' , the CIA's secret operation to successfully destroy the peace movement:
http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%...on%20Chaos.html
or for more information just Google 'operation chaos'
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The Dakota
http
Some bizarre facts:
-John Lennon of the Beatles lived in the landmark NY apartment residence 'The Dakota', and was fatally shot outside 'The Dakota' by Mark David Chapman.
John and Yoko Lennon outside 'The Dakota'
-The satanic film 'Rosemary's Baby', about a woman impregnated by satan, was fimed in 'The Dakota'.
-'Rosemary's Baby' was produced and directed by Roman Polanski, whose
wife, actress Sharon Tate, was murdered by the Charles Manson family , who were inspired by the song 'Helter Skelter' , written by......
John Lennon
Closeup of the railing from 'The Dakota'
QUOTE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary%27s_baby
One night, Guy and Rosemary are planning a romantic dinner, but after eating a dessert, Rosemary begins feeling woozy and dreams of being raped by something not human, while her elderly neighbors watch. Guy tells her that she just had a bad dream. Soon after, she discovers she is pregnant. As the pregnancy continues, Rosemary begins to suspect her elderly neighbors are not the kindly souls they appear to be. After receiving a warning from a friend, she discovers her neighbors are the leaders of a coven of witches, and she initially believes they are after her child to use it as a sacrifice, but she is unable to convince anyone to believe her.
-the gist of it is that Polanski did a film about Satan coming to earth and impregnating a woman in the Dakota, and then Polanski's pregnant wife was murdered, by the Charles Manson clan , inspired by John Lennon's song 'Helter Skelter'. Mark Chapman took it as a sign that he was meant to kill John Lennon at the Dakota that day.
video:
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=...videoid=2622899
video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1POsi9aEto
-'The Dakota' was built for Edward Clark, co- founder of Singer Sewing Machine Company
-the president of Singer Sewing Machine Company, Frederick G. Bourne, kept an apartment in The Dakota.
-Bourne acquired 'Dark Island' in the Thousand Islands and thereon built a gothic castle name 'Singer Castle', complete with dungeons.
Singer Castle on Dark Island
-Dark Island is roughly six miles from Deer Island, in the Thousand Islands, the island owned by the Skull and Bones society .
-Hollywood actress Judy Garland lived at'The Dakota' in 1961
screenshot from Valley of the Dolls (1967) showing actress Sharon Tate
In Valley of the Dolls, Sharon Tate played Jennifer North, an aspiring actress regarded only for her body.
Judy Garland was cast to play a lead role alongside Tate, but was dismissed from the set due to her addiction to Seconal, a narcotic barbiturate, the pills known by the street name 'dolls'.
Judy Garland died of an overdose of Seconal two years later, allegedly a suicide.
Judy Garland is said to have suspected that the film was based on her own life and had difficulty on set.
Judy Garland and Sharon Tate both died in 1969.
video: trailer for Valley of the Dolls:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=852...h&plindex=3
-Sharon Tate played the role of an occult witch in 'Eye of the Devil' and a vampiresse in '
The Fearless Vampire Killers', which was also directed by Polanski.
clip of Eyes Wide Shut type ballroom scene (with vampires): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAXVDH_1q_M...feature=related
Tate is bitten by vampire in this scene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QirsXS6KBE...feature=related
Trailer for Eye of the Devil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHd5zNY-hBs
short bio film on Sharon Tate:
All Eyes on Sharon Tate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf1NX9AQOEI
The Fearless Vampire Killers', which was also directed by Polanski.
clip of Eyes Wide Shut type ballroom scene (with vampires): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAXVDH_1q_M...feature=related
Tate is bitten by vampire in this scene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QirsXS6KBE...feature=related
Trailer for Eye of the Devil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHd5zNY-hBs
short bio film on Sharon Tate:
All Eyes on Sharon Tate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf1NX9AQOEI
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From http://stargods.org/EvilBeatles.html
The movie Rosemary's baby was filmed in the Dakota were John Lennon was shot to death. It also appears that John Lennon knew the director personally. “The Director of Rosemary’s Baby was Roman Polanski. (At a party in California in 1973, Lennon ‘went berserk, hurling a chair out the window, smashing mirrors, heaving a TV against the wall, and screaming nonsense about film director Roman Polanski being to blame’ - Giuliano)
It’s also interesting to note that when the Beatles went to India to see the Yogi, John Lennon took along Mia Farrow star of the movie Rosemary’s Baby. It would appear that birds of the same coven flock together.
Did this nobody Director Roman Polanski make a pact with the Hollywood coven in order that he be given a very choice script that would make him a successful film director? So what is the price for fame in the underworld? It is the killing of your baby! This fact is even stressed in the movie Rosemary's Baby. In the movie, the coven demanded Rosemary's baby in return for her husband's success in Hollywood. It was an amazing coincidence that the film had a plot that would be similarly played out a year later - Polanski's pregnant actress/wife Sharon Tate would be murdered by Charles Manson's followers. Susan Atkins one of the killers stated that they wanted to remove the baby from Polanski's murdered wife Sharon Tate, but they ran out of time and had to flee the murder scene.
Was the death of Roman Polanski's baby a pre-payment for an Academy Award nomination for Polanski's for Best Adapted Screenplay. This movie became a critically-acclaimed and a commercially successful film. Director Roman Polanski was now on his way to the top of the heap of success.
The movie Rosemary's baby was filmed in the Dakota were John Lennon was shot to death. It also appears that John Lennon knew the director personally. “The Director of Rosemary’s Baby was Roman Polanski. (At a party in California in 1973, Lennon ‘went berserk, hurling a chair out the window, smashing mirrors, heaving a TV against the wall, and screaming nonsense about film director Roman Polanski being to blame’ - Giuliano)
It’s also interesting to note that when the Beatles went to India to see the Yogi, John Lennon took along Mia Farrow star of the movie Rosemary’s Baby. It would appear that birds of the same coven flock together.
Did this nobody Director Roman Polanski make a pact with the Hollywood coven in order that he be given a very choice script that would make him a successful film director? So what is the price for fame in the underworld? It is the killing of your baby! This fact is even stressed in the movie Rosemary's Baby. In the movie, the coven demanded Rosemary's baby in return for her husband's success in Hollywood. It was an amazing coincidence that the film had a plot that would be similarly played out a year later - Polanski's pregnant actress/wife Sharon Tate would be murdered by Charles Manson's followers. Susan Atkins one of the killers stated that they wanted to remove the baby from Polanski's murdered wife Sharon Tate, but they ran out of time and had to flee the murder scene.
Was the death of Roman Polanski's baby a pre-payment for an Academy Award nomination for Polanski's for Best Adapted Screenplay. This movie became a critically-acclaimed and a commercially successful film. Director Roman Polanski was now on his way to the top of the heap of success.
Sharon Tate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharon_Tate
Childhood and early acting career
Sharon Tate was born in Dallas, Texas, the first of three daughters, to Paul Tate, a United States Army officer and his wife, Doris. At six months of age, Sharon Tate won the "Miss Tiny Tot of Dallas Pageant", but the Tates held no show business ambitions for their daughter. Paul Tate was promoted and transferred several times. By age 16, Sharon Tate had lived in six different American cities (including Alameda, CA, attending Alameda High School as a member of the Class of 1961 where she was a classmate of The Doors' Jim Morrison), and she found it difficult to maintain friendships. Her family described her as shy and lacking in self-confidence, and as an adult Sharon Tate commented that people often misinterpreted her shyness for aloofness until they got to know her better.[1]
Tate's body was punctured and drained. Photo shows innumerable punctures and burns to her body,
possibly ritualistic torture
short documentary that mentions Tate's involvement in satanic cult:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dloKev1EkZY.../Carnage69.html
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharon_Tate
Childhood and early acting career
Sharon Tate was born in Dallas, Texas, the first of three daughters, to Paul Tate, a United States Army officer and his wife, Doris. At six months of age, Sharon Tate won the "Miss Tiny Tot of Dallas Pageant", but the Tates held no show business ambitions for their daughter. Paul Tate was promoted and transferred several times. By age 16, Sharon Tate had lived in six different American cities (including Alameda, CA, attending Alameda High School as a member of the Class of 1961 where she was a classmate of The Doors' Jim Morrison), and she found it difficult to maintain friendships. Her family described her as shy and lacking in self-confidence, and as an adult Sharon Tate commented that people often misinterpreted her shyness for aloofness until they got to know her better.[1]
Tate's body was punctured and drained. Photo shows innumerable punctures and burns to her body,
possibly ritualistic torture
short documentary that mentions Tate's involvement in satanic cult:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dloKev1EkZY.../Carnage69.html
QUOTE (ravergirl @ Dec 26 2007, 01:29 PM)
If a student was tasered for asking a question he was invited to ask why haven't they tracked your isp's to your addresses and tasered you for your blatant disrespect and blah blah blah. yeah skull and bones and the other societies exist (common knowledge) and but, seriously in with the CIA?. plausible yeah but i don't think it is fact. also satanism???does every organization that performs rituals HAVE to be a satanist one??also....i was under the impression that it was about money making anyway...but alas imma girl couldn't tell you
Correlation does not mean causality.
Which is as much to say, is this your virtual version of pasting hundreds of newspaper clippings on the wall, a la John Nash?
--Jaylemurph
Which is as much to say, is this your virtual version of pasting hundreds of newspaper clippings on the wall, a la John Nash?
--Jaylemurph
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Dec 29 2007, 03:22 PM)
Correlation does not mean causality.
Which is as much to say, is this your virtual version of pasting hundreds of newspaper clippings on the wall, a la John Nash?
--Jaylemurph
Which is as much to say, is this your virtual version of pasting hundreds of newspaper clippings on the wall, a la John Nash?
--Jaylemurph
Such a true statment.
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