24 Jan 07 - Here is where you have to stop and think about the numbers. 1998 was the warmest year on record. I don’t think many would dispute that. 2005 was the 2nd warmest year on record. (Because of the 2005 ranking keep in mind that the numbers for 2002, 2003 and 2004 will be one notch lower than I am going to list. These were the ranks at the time they happened.) 2002 was the 2nd warmest year on record (now 3rd), 2003 was 3rd, 2004 was 4th, and 2006 was the 6th warmest on record. That means since 1998 the global temperatures have been trending downward. Advertising that 2006 was the 6th warmest makes for good press but it is very misleading. The report could have very well said that evidence suggests that global warming has reversed course. The reality is that over the past 8 years the global temperatures have been trending downward.
If you look over the climate records you will see that following every great temperature spike there an equally impressive temperature crash. I think 1998 was the end of the great temperature spike and we've started our downward trend. I believe the instability in the ocean currents has triggered this change.
Make no mistake. We are headed into what is at best another little ice age.
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http://www.climatepatrol.com/forum/18/2276/pg1/index.php
Full Version: Global Warming Has Ended
If global warming has ended, why is the ozone layer 'rolling up?' The elements of our atmosphere will disolve with 'burning heat' at some point and the space will rush in and freeze everything. It has happened before and it will happen again.
well according to you it's fake so how can it end? 
QUOTE(Reincarnated @ Jan 26 2007, 08:50 PM) [snapback]1517542[/snapback]
well according to you it's fake so how can it end?
Fake? Has receiving said somewhere else that they think it is fake? I certainly do not think that it is fake.
i wasn't replying to you. receivings last thread trying to debunk climate change was titled "global warming is a fake".
QUOTE(receivingendofsirens @ Jan 27 2007, 01:17 AM) [snapback]1517441[/snapback]
1998 was the warmest year on record. I don’t think many would dispute that. 2005 was the 2nd warmest year on record.
actually me and NASA will dispute that.QUOTE
"2005 Warmest Year in Over a Century
The year 2005 was the warmest year in over a century, according to NASA scientists studying temperature data from around the world.
Climatologists at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York City noted that the highest global annual average surface temperature in more than a century was recorded in their analysis for the 2005 calendar year.
Some other research groups that study climate change rank 2005 as the second warmest year, based on comparisons through November. The primary difference among the analyses, according to the NASA scientists, is the inclusion of the Arctic in the NASA analysis. Although there are few weather stations in the Arctic, the available data indicate that 2005 was unusually warm in the Arctic.
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The year 2005 was the warmest year in over a century, according to NASA scientists studying temperature data from around the world.
Climatologists at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York City noted that the highest global annual average surface temperature in more than a century was recorded in their analysis for the 2005 calendar year.
Some other research groups that study climate change rank 2005 as the second warmest year, based on comparisons through November. The primary difference among the analyses, according to the NASA scientists, is the inclusion of the Arctic in the NASA analysis. Although there are few weather stations in the Arctic, the available data indicate that 2005 was unusually warm in the Arctic.
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QUOTE(greggK @ Jan 27 2007, 02:34 AM) [snapback]1517529[/snapback]
If global warming has ended, why is the ozone layer 'rolling up?' The elements of our atmosphere will disolve with 'burning heat' at some point.
It has happened before and it will happen again.
It has happened before and it will happen again.
How would the elements in the atmosphere dissolve? The solubility of gases decreases with an increase in temperature.
At one time, dinosaurs ruled Antartica. Even today, we have found upwards of 8 fossilized species on Antartica.
How warm was it then?
Warmer than now?
(Isn't it funny.. 'the warmest year on record'.. except for all those other years in the history of the planet.. but we will discount those in an effort to redistribute wealth.)
How warm was it then?
Warmer than now?
(Isn't it funny.. 'the warmest year on record'.. except for all those other years in the history of the planet.. but we will discount those in an effort to redistribute wealth.)
I though 2006 was the warmest year on record? That's what it said on the news a while ago...
QUOTE(Fleur-de-lis @ Jan 27 2007, 06:02 PM) [snapback]1518468[/snapback]
I though 2006 was the warmest year on record? That's what it said on the news a while ago...
i think it was too but i can't find any official numbers yet. but this kid thinks were are in a cooling stage, hahaha. ignorance is bliss.
QUOTE(Sinanju @ Jan 27 2007, 05:53 PM) [snapback]1518460[/snapback]
At one time, dinosaurs ruled Antartica. Even today, we have found upwards of 8 fossilized species on Antartica.
How warm was it then?
Warmer than now?
(Isn't it funny.. 'the warmest year on record'.. except for all those other years in the history of the planet.. but we will discount those in an effort to redistribute wealth.)
How warm was it then?
Warmer than now?
(Isn't it funny.. 'the warmest year on record'.. except for all those other years in the history of the planet.. but we will discount those in an effort to redistribute wealth.)
That is not on record since 1890 like the diagram says though, it is reference to since we have kept records, Antartica was also not over the south pole at that period and land being over the south pole makes a great difference to the Earths global temperature.
"That is not on record since 1890 like the diagram says though, it is reference to since we have kept records,"
>>Then why not say that? There is no way that current temperatures are even close to the heat generated gobally when this planet was molten. Do you need accurate records from then to prove it is hotter now? Furthermore, while we may not have accurate temperature records pre-dating the 1890s... At one time in 'recent' human history, Greenland was GREEN. Do you deny it? Do you want to insist that Greenlad has moved in the past few centuries? Or do you intend to ignore it?
"Antartica was also not over the south pole at that period and land being over the south pole makes a great difference to the Earths global temperature."
>>Never said it was. Did I?
>>Then why not say that? There is no way that current temperatures are even close to the heat generated gobally when this planet was molten. Do you need accurate records from then to prove it is hotter now? Furthermore, while we may not have accurate temperature records pre-dating the 1890s... At one time in 'recent' human history, Greenland was GREEN. Do you deny it? Do you want to insist that Greenlad has moved in the past few centuries? Or do you intend to ignore it?
"Antartica was also not over the south pole at that period and land being over the south pole makes a great difference to the Earths global temperature."
>>Never said it was. Did I?
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Never said it was. Did I?
You implied it was. But regardless, given that fact, your point serves no purpose.QUOTE
At one time in 'recent' human history, Greenland was GREEN. Do you deny it? Do you want to insist that Greenlad has moved in the past few centuries? Or do you intend to ignore it?
No one's denying that there have been temperature fluctuations in the past few thousand years, any one can see that there have been. But what does that have to do with any thing? Global temperatures are still rising more than they should be, given the current data.
QUOTE(Sinanju @ Jan 27 2007, 06:13 PM) [snapback]1518482[/snapback]
"That is not on record since 1890 like the diagram says though, it is reference to since we have kept records,"
>>Then why not say that? There is no way that current temperatures are even close to the heat generated gobally when this planet was molten. Do you need accurate records from then to prove it is hotter now? Furthermore, while we may not have accurate temperature records pre-dating the 1890s... At one time in 'recent' human history, Greenland was GREEN. Do you deny it? Do you want to insist that Greenlad has moved in the past few centuries? Or do you intend to ignore it?
"Antartica was also not over the south pole at that period and land being over the south pole makes a great difference to the Earths global temperature."
>>Never said it was. Did I?
>>Then why not say that? There is no way that current temperatures are even close to the heat generated gobally when this planet was molten. Do you need accurate records from then to prove it is hotter now? Furthermore, while we may not have accurate temperature records pre-dating the 1890s... At one time in 'recent' human history, Greenland was GREEN. Do you deny it? Do you want to insist that Greenlad has moved in the past few centuries? Or do you intend to ignore it?
"Antartica was also not over the south pole at that period and land being over the south pole makes a great difference to the Earths global temperature."
>>Never said it was. Did I?
On record, infering since records began. I'm sure that is not beymond even your megre mental capacity is it?
Greenland has tundra which can green, apart from that since the pleistocene glaciation event, it has been a very cold place.
"No one's denying that there have been temperature fluctuations in the past few thousand years, any one can see that there have been. But what does that have to do with any thing? Global temperatures are still rising more than they should be, given the current data."
>>According to what? The hockey stick?
>>According to what? The hockey stick?
It's "Genius", genius. 
Yeah. Keep in mind that I said "given the current data". I'm aware that we could be missing vital information regarding past temperature trends.
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According to what? The hockey stick?
Yeah. Keep in mind that I said "given the current data". I'm aware that we could be missing vital information regarding past temperature trends.
"It's "Genius", genius."
It's irony.
It's irony.
Fair enough, it's difficult to interpret the tone when you only have text to go by.
" Fair enough, it's difficult to interpret the tone when you only have text to go by."
Mind if I quote you on that?
Mind if I quote you on that?
Sure, why not? Spread the word of Raptor far and wide. 
Thanks! If I make any royalties, I will send you cash.
Thanks. But don't expect to make much, the majority of what I say is subpar!
Hey even data to support that its been cooling still is trying to get "debunked" as retarded. Where is all of your guys evidence to show that i am totally wrong about all this?
I mean coe one if there is no way that i am right about any of this, put up some information guys
I mean coe one if there is no way that i am right about any of this, put up some information guys
QUOTE(receivingendofsirens @ Jan 27 2007, 07:18 PM) [snapback]1518548[/snapback]
Hey even data to support that its been cooling still is trying to get "debunked" as retarded. Where is all of your guys evidence to show that i am totally wrong about all this?
I mean coe one if there is no way that i am right about any of this, put up some information guys
Open your eyes. I mean coe one if there is no way that i am right about any of this, put up some information guys
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QUOTE(receivingendofsirens @ Jan 27 2007, 01:17 AM) [snapback]1517441[/snapback]
1998 was the warmest year on record. I don’t think many would dispute that. 2005 was the 2nd warmest year on record.
actually me and NASA will dispute that.QUOTE
"2005 Warmest Year in Over a Century
The year 2005 was the warmest year in over a century, according to NASA scientists studying temperature data from around the world.
Climatologists at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York City noted that the highest global annual average surface temperature in more than a century was recorded in their analysis for the 2005 calendar year.
Some other research groups that study climate change rank 2005 as the second warmest year, based on comparisons through November. The primary difference among the analyses, according to the NASA scientists, is the inclusion of the Arctic in the NASA analysis. Although there are few weather stations in the Arctic, the available data indicate that 2005 was unusually warm in the Arctic.
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The year 2005 was the warmest year in over a century, according to NASA scientists studying temperature data from around the world.
Climatologists at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York City noted that the highest global annual average surface temperature in more than a century was recorded in their analysis for the 2005 calendar year.
Some other research groups that study climate change rank 2005 as the second warmest year, based on comparisons through November. The primary difference among the analyses, according to the NASA scientists, is the inclusion of the Arctic in the NASA analysis. Although there are few weather stations in the Arctic, the available data indicate that 2005 was unusually warm in the Arctic.
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NOAA Reports 2006 Warmest Year On Record For U.S.
*Note the NASA image and information was published before the end of 2006. 2006 now holds the number one spot, 2005 holds second and 1998 third.
There is your evidence, jack-ass.
"The five warmest years over the last century occurred in the last eight years," said James Hansen, director of NASA GISS. They stack up as follows: the warmest was 2005, then 1998, 2002, 2003 and 2004."
wheres 2006 in this? so if 2005 waswarmer than than 2006 how is that a rise in temperature bub? im not talking just the U.S. im talking globally 2006 wasnt one of em....
still i wait for some proof that we will just keep getting warmer and warmer until there is nothing.... but wait that doenstm ake sense
wheres 2006 in this? so if 2005 waswarmer than than 2006 how is that a rise in temperature bub? im not talking just the U.S. im talking globally 2006 wasnt one of em....
still i wait for some proof that we will just keep getting warmer and warmer until there is nothing.... but wait that doenstm ake sense
If global warming has ended then I'll be a monkey's uncle because its getting hot down here and I mean fry your eggs on the foot path hot.
I hope the earth has some mechanism to switch to a period of cooling after all of this warming. However, if it does have such a mechanism, like shifting oceanic currents, I don't think it has kicked in yet.
My laymens observations of my little micro climate in Southern Califonia is that we are seeing temperature anomolies. Higher highs and some very low lows. We have also seen parts of the country that have not had any snow when there should have been while others have been dealt serious blizzards.
My laymens observations of my little micro climate in Southern Califonia is that we are seeing temperature anomolies. Higher highs and some very low lows. We have also seen parts of the country that have not had any snow when there should have been while others have been dealt serious blizzards.
QUOTE(Razer @ Jan 28 2007, 12:07 AM) [snapback]1519298[/snapback]
I hope the earth has some mechanism to switch to a period of cooling after all of this warming. However, if it does have such a mechanism, like shifting oceanic currents, I don't think it has kicked in yet.
My laymens observations of my little micro climate in Southern Califonia is that we are seeing temperature anomolies. Higher highs and some very low lows. We have also seen parts of the country that have not had any snow when there should have been while others have been dealt serious blizzards.
My laymens observations of my little micro climate in Southern Califonia is that we are seeing temperature anomolies. Higher highs and some very low lows. We have also seen parts of the country that have not had any snow when there should have been while others have been dealt serious blizzards.
this is why it is called Global Climate Change, not global warming (this being a misnomer). I noticed in Southern Illinois, that we had a very mild if not fairly cold winter, now i am in Florida, and it has been rather nice down here.
QUOTE(receivingendofsirens @ Jan 28 2007, 12:11 AM) [snapback]1519250[/snapback]
"The five warmest years over the last century occurred in the last eight years," said James Hansen, director of NASA GISS. They stack up as follows: the warmest was 2005, then 1998, 2002, 2003 and 2004."
wheres 2006 in this? so if 2005 waswarmer than than 2006 how is that a rise in temperature bub? im not talking just the U.S. im talking globally 2006 wasnt one of em....
still i wait for some proof that we will just keep getting warmer and warmer until there is nothing.... but wait that doenstm ake sense
wheres 2006 in this? so if 2005 waswarmer than than 2006 how is that a rise in temperature bub? im not talking just the U.S. im talking globally 2006 wasnt one of em....
still i wait for some proof that we will just keep getting warmer and warmer until there is nothing.... but wait that doenstm ake sense
They haven't crunched the numbers for 2006 world-wide yet. As far as the US:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/resear...us-summary.html
It seems tied with 1998 for the warmest. As for overall:
From NOAA: "U.S. and global annual temperatures are now approximately 1.0 degrees F warmer than at the start of the 20th century, and the rate of warming has accelerated over the past 30 years, increasing globally since the mid-1970s at a rate approximately three times faster than the century-scale trend. The past nine years have all been among the 25 warmest years on record for the contiguous U.S., a streak which is unprecedented in the historical record."
Also Anarctic ice cores are showing more CO2 today than in the last 400,000 years, something that can only be attributed to us: "There is great controversy as to whether human beings have changed the climate," said Professor McManus. "But there is no doubt about the fact that human beings have changed the Earth's atmosphere. The increased levels of greenhouse gases are geologically incredible."
He added: "It is something of grave concern to someone like me, who sees the strong connection between greenhouse gases and climate in the past."
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3792209.stm
The newest and most comprehensive report so far should be coming out this week from The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and it's conclusion is that we are responsible for the sudden rises in overall global temp.
There's plenty of evidence out there.
QUOTE(capeo @ Jan 30 2007, 05:57 PM) [snapback]1522488[/snapback]
They haven't crunched the numbers for 2006 world-wide yet. As far as the US:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/resear...us-summary.html
It seems tied with 1998 for the warmest. As for overall:
From NOAA: "U.S. and global annual temperatures are now approximately 1.0 degrees F warmer than at the start of the 20th century, and the rate of warming has accelerated over the past 30 years, increasing globally since the mid-1970s at a rate approximately three times faster than the century-scale trend. The past nine years have all been among the 25 warmest years on record for the contiguous U.S., a streak which is unprecedented in the historical record."
Also Anarctic ice cores are showing more CO2 today than in the last 400,000 years, something that can only be attributed to us: "There is great controversy as to whether human beings have changed the climate," said Professor McManus. "But there is no doubt about the fact that human beings have changed the Earth's atmosphere. The increased levels of greenhouse gases are geologically incredible."
He added: "It is something of grave concern to someone like me, who sees the strong connection between greenhouse gases and climate in the past."
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3792209.stm
The newest and most comprehensive report so far should be coming out this week from The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and it's conclusion is that we are responsible for the sudden rises in overall global temp.
There's plenty of evidence out there.
I have been trying to tell him the same things but he keeps on ignoring the facts! I don't think it's a healthy lifestyle to live in denial.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/resear...us-summary.html
It seems tied with 1998 for the warmest. As for overall:
From NOAA: "U.S. and global annual temperatures are now approximately 1.0 degrees F warmer than at the start of the 20th century, and the rate of warming has accelerated over the past 30 years, increasing globally since the mid-1970s at a rate approximately three times faster than the century-scale trend. The past nine years have all been among the 25 warmest years on record for the contiguous U.S., a streak which is unprecedented in the historical record."
Also Anarctic ice cores are showing more CO2 today than in the last 400,000 years, something that can only be attributed to us: "There is great controversy as to whether human beings have changed the climate," said Professor McManus. "But there is no doubt about the fact that human beings have changed the Earth's atmosphere. The increased levels of greenhouse gases are geologically incredible."
He added: "It is something of grave concern to someone like me, who sees the strong connection between greenhouse gases and climate in the past."
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3792209.stm
The newest and most comprehensive report so far should be coming out this week from The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and it's conclusion is that we are responsible for the sudden rises in overall global temp.
There's plenty of evidence out there.
global warming means hot hot hot summers, and crazy winter weather patterns.
Massive ice storms in the midwest, while the north east got to enjoy weather we here on the pcaific northwest coast normaly have. Meanwhile we have insane weather patterns and it's freezing cold here.
We're supposed to get one more massive storm system in the beginning of feburary (next week.. omgs) according to the Farmer's Almanac. And that thing predicted the massive flooding we had in November.. the wind storm in Dec. and the snow and ice storms we had earlier this month.
Par for par I'd say.
Massive ice storms in the midwest, while the north east got to enjoy weather we here on the pcaific northwest coast normaly have. Meanwhile we have insane weather patterns and it's freezing cold here.
We're supposed to get one more massive storm system in the beginning of feburary (next week.. omgs) according to the Farmer's Almanac. And that thing predicted the massive flooding we had in November.. the wind storm in Dec. and the snow and ice storms we had earlier this month.
Par for par I'd say.
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